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KC

On 7/11/2014 1:17 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:04:47 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:40:45 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:02:33 -0700, jps wrote:

The vast majority are suicides, somewhere around 17 - 19,000 a year.

Murders are around 11,000 a year.

So you think if there were no guns, there would be no suicides?

Just look at Japan, one of your ideal countries. No guns and a much
higher suicide rate than the US.

The more you drill down on the numbers, the worse your case gets.

I have pointed out Australia many times. They got rid of most of their
guns and it had very little effect of on the slope of their murder
rate.

Well, we certainly did shift real quick there, eh? Went from 31,000
gun deaths a year coming out of my ass to, wouldn't it happen anyway?

And you're dead wrong about Australia, they've virtually eliminated
mass shootings from their society.

My point is, if guns make a country safer, we should be the safest
****ing country on the planet. They don't and we're not.

Most of our mass shootings are in gun controlled cities and involve the
Drug War. Are you only concerned about mass shootings by nut cases?

JP only cares about the shootings that make the news. It is not news
when black people shoot each other so he doesn't care.

If someone said "guns don't kill people, blacks and hispanics with
guns kill people" they would be called racist ... but it would still
be statistically true. If you take them out of the totals we cut the
murder rate (per 100,000) in half.

"Shallow"