On 4/19/2014 8:29 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 4/19/2014 8:03 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/19/14, 7:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/19/2014 7:27 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/18/14, 11:18 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 21:15:52 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/18/14, 8:57 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
What working experience do you have ... meaning employment ... where
*you* were were subject to the king boss and had to take whatever
the
job dished out? Ever? I suspect zero.
Your suspicions would add up to...zero.
Every story you have told here was about your jobs where you made
unbelievable money doing exactly what you loved.
You boss always fell at your feet in awe.
As they say on Law and Order, "were you lying then or are you lying
now"?
Yeah, my first full-time newspaper job paid me $100 a week. Yipperdoo.
The Associated Press "recruited" me out of that job by doubling that
salary, and my first ad/pr agency job in Detroit tripled the AP salary.
All chump change jobs, but I did get along with my various bosses. I was
recruited out of the Detroit job by the National Education Association.
In 1971, I think it was, I was hired by a big DC ad/pr agency for a
grand a week, decent pay for a young man in those days. Stayed there for
three years, then was hired by another DC ad/pr agency for another pay
spike, but I don't remember what it was. The second agency was a lot of
fun...it was much more of a "retail" agency with lots of local TV and
radio advertising.
In 1977, I think, the NEA asked me if I wanted to be a contract
consultant to manage some of its national advertising business so I left
the agency. Shortly thereafter, I picked up two other international
unions as clients, and then I got a contract to produce TV ads for the
AFL-CIO building trades department and a national veterans organization.
I did ok on the payrolls of others, once my career got going, but much
better financially running my own little ad/pr shop.
Was your own little ad/pr shop unionized?
Actually, yes.
You've made it very clear over the years that unions are near and dear to
your heart. Obviously your career and earning power was tied to your
association and work for unions. But you are in the minority.
The overwhelming majority of employed people are not union, don't want to
be union and want nothing to do with unions. Those that *are* union are
the ones who complain most about their jobs, their ability to advance (or
lack of) due to personal motivation and achievement. It's also
interesting that the majority of remaining union jobs are also federal jobs.
Why is that?
Your corporate heroes have sold out this country.
Ha! You crack me up. What else did I expect? :-)
Here's how I view unions. To me they are an added, controlling factor
on one's life and ability to pursue a career with as much opportunity as
possible in this highly regulated world. Unions tend to create a
homogeneous work force where personal motivation or abilities become
second to job classification, time in grade and seniority.
The closest thing to being in a union for me was 9 years active duty in
the Navy. It's also why, when my contract was up, I exited stage left.
Like a union, opportunity for advancement and earning power is limited
to time in grade, in service and the needs of the service. I wanted
more than that in life.
Due to the path I took I had the opportunity to know many, many people
working for a living, union and non-union. By far the happiest and most
satisfied people were non-union.
There are those who work primarily to support their families and
lifestyles. Not all are motivated to "climb the career ladder".
Nothing wrong with that. There are also those who put forth a little
extra .... sometimes a *lot* extra because they want to do the very best
they can. Usually those people become more valuable to a company and
they *do* succeed. If a slow period comes and lay-offs are required the
more motivated are the last to go, regardless of how long they have
worked for the company. Unions don't consider that. Everyone is
equally qualified, so seniority rules.
I am surprised unions don't issue uniforms and have haircut regulations.