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On 3/28/14, 10:34 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 16:07:37 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/28/14, 2:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 13:00:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/28/14, 12:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:57:59 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/28/14, 11:49 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:03:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/28/14, 10:47 AM, wrote:

It is sort of like the number of people who think the bible gave
European Jews the right to invade and occupy Palestine after WWII huh?

I suppose it is possible you have no understanding or knowledge of
either the biblical or post-biblical history (not folk tale, history) of
that part of the Middle East.

How do a population of people who have lived in Europe for several
centuries suddenly decide they have a right to the land they
abandoned?

Would you feel the same way if a band of people said they were
descendants of the Piscataway indians and they really owned your
house, then they pulled guns and told you to get out?

They didn't abandon it...they were conquered and driven out by a
succession of more warlike peoples, and certainly have more claim on the
land than, say, the Europeans who came to the Americas, slaughtered the
native populations, and took the land and resources.

That should give the indians even more right to come take your house
shouldn't it?

The Jews in Europe are the ones who simply walked away from Palestine,
centuries ago and then decided they still had some kind of inherent
ownership after WWII because the bible told them so.

Most of the Jews who were living in Israel during the Roman conquest
were either slaughtered or expelled by the Romans. The ones that were
still alive didn't "walk away," they were forced out at the point of a
sword. Some Jews returned during the subsequent conquests of Israel by
Muslims, Europeans, whatever, and substantial numbers of Jews returned
after escaping or being forced out of Christian Spain in 1492. Hundreds
of thousands of Jews resettled in the area between the late 19th Century
and the end of World War I.

After WW II, the area was partitioned, something the Muslims there did
not want to happen and once Israel declared its independence, the Arab
states initiated a war against Israel. The Arab states lost.

Your interpretation of how the modern state of Israel came about is,
well, simple minded.

This is a subject about which you know next to nothing.

The Romans may have been pricks and we know the nazis were but you
still have not explained how a million Jews who had lived in Europe
for centuries suddenly had a claim on land in Palestine.
It would have made a lot more sense to take land from ex nazis or nazi
sympathizers and give it to the Jews ... or simply to give them back
the land that was taken from them in the 30s and 40s along with other
reparations

I do know the real answer to that question, do you?

A substantial influx of Jews moved to Israel in the years just before
the US entered WW II to escape the Nazis. They came to Israel because
there literally was nowhere else for them to go, since even the United
States refused them entree. Hundreds of thousands of Jews got to Israel
that way before WW II. Immediately after the way, the Brits for the most
part shut down Israel to the remaining Jews in Europe who were trying to
find a place to go. Many of them ended up in Cyprus as refugees.

The really massive influx of Jews to Israel, however, did not take place
until after the State of Israel declared itself. It took 10 years for
the Jewish population of Israel to go from about a million to two million.

Why would the Jewish survivors of WW II in Europe want to live in the
cities the Nazis or the West destroyed under Christian governments with
2000 years of history of deporting or slaughtering them? I can't think
of a reason. Being in charge of their own destiny seemed reason enough
to escape to Israel.

You did a pretty good job of explaining why they wanted to go to
Palestine. You just never explained how they got the right to.

The allied leaders at the time simply had such a low regard for the
people who lived there that they had no reason to stop them.
If they went to Central Africa, South America or anywhere else with
brown people, they would have felt the same.

What an interesting take. The "allied leaders" didn't much care for the
Jews, either, since, even when Germany was slaughtering them, they
weren't allow to enter the allied countries in substantial numbers.

So, is what you are claiming similar to what has been said about the
United States, that we are a nation founded and built on the decimation
of one people, the "Indians," and the enslavement of another, the "blacks"?

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