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That's an interesting one. Are you arguing that construction of renewable
energy sources should be banned wherever it may spoil peoples fun ? Do you have an alternate proposal or is this a NIMBY type reaction. Don't take my comments as an attack on your original post, I am just seeking some clarification. I am quite sure the average Joe is all for renewable energy and I would like to learn more about the impact of such development. Don't mention nuclear :-) Now onto those windmills... -- Muzz send mail to muzzmackay@'7thletterof thealphabet'mail.com |
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Muzz wrote:
That's an interesting one. Are you arguing that construction of renewable energy sources should be banned wherever it may spoil peoples fun ? Do you have an alternate proposal or is this a NIMBY type reaction. An alternative proposal is that people could pay some attention to energy efficiency which could very easily save far more energy than such a scheme will generate. That will do the environment a lot more good /and/ paddlers can keep having more fun. Don't take my comments as an attack on your original post, I am just seeking some clarification. I am quite sure the average Joe is all for renewable energy and I would like to learn more about the impact of such development. Don't mention nuclear :-) Now onto those windmills... Problem with "renewable energy" is it's image for Average Joe is that It Must Be A Good Thing, and details like how much energy you'll actually make tend to get rather overlooked. As in the first paragraph, #1 step IMHO *should* be a national effort to waste less electricity, rather than generate more in "renewable" ways so we can keep up with being profligate wastrels. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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Problem with "renewable energy" is it's image for Average Joe is that It
Must Be A Good Thing, and details like how much energy you'll actually make tend to get rather overlooked. As in the first paragraph, #1 step IMHO *should* be a national effort to waste less electricity, rather than generate more in "renewable" ways so we can keep up with being profligate wastrels. Hydro power used to be big in Scotland in a small way. Many of the estates used to have their own small turbines and generates their own power supplies. Until the nationalised power companies stepped in and closed those turbines down. Now, just as before Steam, mills were powered by small local water mills, which not only drew from the environment but also often added to it in terms of millponds and mill races, and weirs that controlled the flow of water, and consequentially many years down the line provide us kayakers, and anglers alike with a wonderful resource, could it not be that smaller local hydro operations could not perform the same task without the vast damage to the environment that has been caused by some of the previous generation of hydro schemes. And oddly, last time I checked Scotland didn't actually need much more power.... Ewan Scott |
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Peter Clinch wrote:
An alternative proposal is that people could pay some attention to energy efficiency which could very easily save far more energy than such a scheme will generate. I'm sure most people have seen the energy saving adverts, maybe they don't work. I heard about a scheme where we would all be issued with 'energy credits' so that we could only use a certain amount a year, is this the only way forward ? -- Muzz send mail to muzzmackay@'7thletterof thealphabet'mail.com |
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Muzz wrote:
I'm sure most people have seen the energy saving adverts, maybe they don't work. I heard about a scheme where we would all be issued with 'energy credits' so that we could only use a certain amount a year, is this the only way forward ? Don't know, but whatever it is it needs a degree of culture change, in much the same way that to cut down car use people need to get past "default behaviour" and actually *think* about the best way to do a journey, which might be a car, but may well not be. It takes more than an advert to really change behaviour. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ |
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![]() Don't know, but whatever it is it needs a degree of culture change, in much the same way that to cut down car use people need to get past "default behaviour" and actually *think* about the best way to do a journey, which might be a car, but may well not be. It takes more than an advert to really change behaviour. Hmm - I sometimes wonder what it does take. I've just written a piece on Cold Weather Tyres - or winter tyres to most folks. Technically Cold Weather Tyres are required an amazing seven months of the year in the UK, yet sales are derisory. Why does that matter? Well because there is proof that the technology used to make CWT is such that in monitored markets it reduced the number of accidents considerably and the fatalities by at least 8 per cent. The Netherlands were in the same situation as the UK a few years ago. They had pressed and pressed for a move to winter tyres in cold weather but had got nowhere until they launched a two year press/ media and linked sales campaign. Now sales are skyrocketing and accidents in cold weather conditions are down. In the UK the tyre industry has two campaigns, both linked, one for cold weather tyres, the other for a minimum tread depth of 3mm on cars. Yet at Tyre Industry Council roadside checks as many as 21 per cent of motorists have faulty or illegal tyres. That may not seem related to energy saving and the fight against hydro power destroying kayaking locations, but the mentality of the general public is exactly the same - unless of course the problem is in their own back yard. Ewan Scott |
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Simple solutions are always the best. So lobby your MP to get a tax put
on traditional light bulbs to make them at least as expensive as energy efficient bulbs. In message , Muzz writes Peter Clinch wrote: An alternative proposal is that people could pay some attention to energy efficiency which could very easily save far more energy than such a scheme will generate. I'm sure most people have seen the energy saving adverts, maybe they don't work. I heard about a scheme where we would all be issued with 'energy credits' so that we could only use a certain amount a year, is this the only way forward ? -- Muzz send mail to muzzmackay@'7thletterof thealphabet'mail.com -- Dave Manby Details of the Coruh river and my book "Many Rivers To Run" at http://www.dmanby.demon.co.uk |
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We need renewable energy production. Global warming and its
consequences are almost certainly the biggest threat facing mankind at this moment. Hurrican Katrina is an indication of the sort of problems we will face. However should we accept all schemes put to us. Should we accept the Braan just because a developer says they can make profit under the current ROCs payments. I think there should be other criteria for what we do. It may slow the process - or perhaps we should do it better. In Scotland the Minister states we have enough renewable schemes approved or in operation to meet our 2010 renewable targets. So we can pause a little, think and plan. Just one example is wave power. The economically recoverable resource for the UK alone has been estimated to be 87TWh per year, or ~25% of current UK electricity demand. A currently practical Pelamis wave farm could easily give 30mw - just 40 machines, but grants are the same for proven hydro as for new tech higher risk wave power. The Glendoe Hydro scheme - probably the last big scheme - will give over 50mw. At least we get something for the loss. The Braan would give 3.4mw. And we would loose something special. We do need culture change. Most houses could carry a 1-10kw windturbine - probably as bad as a satellite dish but worthwhile. We have many options we have not explored as a society. Rivers like the Braan are an easy target. I just believe we should think harder and do better. We certainly need to. I want a viable world for my grandchildren and their grandchildren. That includes a sustainable world with its natural treasures - the Braan is one - as intact as we can preserve them. Currently we are not doing too well. John Picken. SCA National Access coordinator. |
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