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Are there Conservative Kayakers?
I wonder, you are down there in a humble kayak because you are not a
bully, you are at mercy of the elements and you have to use your brain and skill to survive; and you believe in "smaller is better;" and you see the ocean all polluted around you, stuff thrown overboard of motorboats floating everywhere; and the motorboats whistle past you; and there are no places to launch while there are many motorboat ramps; and you see the shark always chasing the sardines... How can you be a Conservative???? I mean, kayakers MUST be on the side of the sardines, and for change and revolution!!! WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE=20 http://committed.to/justicefor=ADpeace |
donquijote1954 wrote:
I wonder, you are down there in a humble kayak because you are not a bully, you are at mercy of the elements and you have to use your brain and skill to survive; and you believe in "smaller is better;" and you see the ocean all polluted around you, stuff thrown overboard of motorboats floating everywhere; and the motorboats whistle past you; and there are no places to launch while there are many motorboat ramps; and you see the shark always chasing the sardines... How can you be a Conservative???? I mean, kayakers MUST be on the side of the sardines, and for change and revolution!!! There is a tv commercial for a model of Ford truck. Two guys in a small imported pick-up are hauling a trailer full of canoes up a mountain. The trailer breaks loose and careens back down the mountain. The two guys jump out, t-shirt and shirt tails untucked, reeking of unprofessionalism. They look with alarm and befuddlement as the runaway boats gain speed and distance. Back down on the main road a husband and wife drive their big Ford truck to their vacation house on the lake. Behind them in-tow is a beautiful, large and powerful wooden powerboat. The boat looks like a piece of furniture in a museum, a work of art. Well-groomed, teeth asparkle, not a hair or thread out of place, the couple cruise in opulent luxury, not getting more than 5 miles per gallon. Suddenly, the trailer load of canoes launches out of the woods to make a smash and grab attack on their confident world. The husband swerves quickly and nimbly, professionally, to avoid the attack. The canoes miss their target and crash helter-skelter into the woods. The husband and wife smile at each other, not a hair out of place, having avoided the petty nuisances of the lower class. They continue, unruffled, to their vacation house on the lake. Class has its privileges. -- "This president has destroyed the country, the economy, the relationship with the rest of the world. He's a monster in the White House. He should resign." - Hunter S. Thompson, speaking to an antiwar audience in 2003. |
Darwin proposed the "survival of the fittest." I think he also proposed "size matters," though this may have been proposed by his wife. And both laws fit our roads and waterways quite well. ;) |
donquijote1954 wrote:
Darwin proposed the "survival of the fittest." I think he also proposed "size matters," though this may have been proposed by his wife. And both laws fit our roads and waterways quite well. ;) Niche is as important, or more so than competition. While the bass boaters are restricted to a two or three mile stretch of river behind a dam, paddlers have a couple hundred miles of quiet, remotely beautiful and largely unspoiled river. But, that short stretch of river frequented by the bass fishermen is an economic engine for the state, with boat registration, fishing permits and fishing guide businesses. Let the muthaboaters have their piers and concrete ramps. Paddlers are happy to have a dirt or graveled pull-off from any state road that runs near the water. There is little that can rival the beauty of silently gliding on a waterway unassaulted by the hand and removed from the noise of man. In fog-shrouded morning or gold and red-hued evening, these quiet places become transcendent. A canoe or kayak is the best time machine invented. It takes you into the distant past (or far future, beyond the reign of man). It is not a question of survival of the fittest. It becomes an appreciation of aesthetics, an exercise of our brain's highest functions. No longer anchored by primitive survival requirements, we progress into levels of metaphysical beauty. We flow on currents of expanded consciousness. -- "This president has destroyed the country, the economy, the relationship with the rest of the world. He's a monster in the White House. He should resign." - Hunter S. Thompson, speaking to an antiwar audience in 2003. |
"Frederick Burroughs" wrote in message ... donquijote1954 wrote: Darwin proposed the "survival of the fittest." I think he also proposed "size matters," though this may have been proposed by his wife. And both laws fit our roads and waterways quite well. ;) Niche is as important, or more so than competition. While the bass boaters are restricted to a two or three mile stretch of river behind a dam, paddlers have a couple hundred miles of quiet, remotely beautiful and largely unspoiled river. But, that short stretch of river frequented by the bass fishermen is an economic engine for the state, with boat registration, fishing permits and fishing guide businesses. Let the muthaboaters have their piers and concrete ramps. Paddlers are happy to have a dirt or graveled pull-off from any state road that runs near the water. There is little that can rival the beauty of silently gliding on a waterway unassaulted by the hand and removed from the noise of man. In fog-shrouded morning or gold and red-hued evening, these quiet places become transcendent. A canoe or kayak is the best time machine invented. It takes you into the distant past (or far future, beyond the reign of man). It is not a question of survival of the fittest. It becomes an appreciation of aesthetics, an exercise of our brain's highest functions. No longer anchored by primitive survival requirements, we progress into levels of metaphysical beauty. We flow on currents of expanded consciousness. Have you ever considered strapping a tank to your back and checking out what the surface of the water looks like from the other side? You might be amazed. I've got limited kayaking experience, but I'd much rather swim with the fishes. |
Yep sounds like a hunter and ward churchill fan all right
"Frederick Burroughs" wrote in message ... donquijote1954 wrote: Darwin proposed the "survival of the fittest." I think he also proposed "size matters," though this may have been proposed by his wife. And both laws fit our roads and waterways quite well. ;) Niche is as important, or more so than competition. While the bass boaters are restricted to a two or three mile stretch of river behind a dam, paddlers have a couple hundred miles of quiet, remotely beautiful and largely unspoiled river. But, that short stretch of river frequented by the bass fishermen is an economic engine for the state, with boat registration, fishing permits and fishing guide businesses. Let the muthaboaters have their piers and concrete ramps. Paddlers are happy to have a dirt or graveled pull-off from any state road that runs near the water. There is little that can rival the beauty of silently gliding on a waterway unassaulted by the hand and removed from the noise of man. In fog-shrouded morning or gold and red-hued evening, these quiet places become transcendent. A canoe or kayak is the best time machine invented. It takes you into the distant past (or far future, beyond the reign of man). It is not a question of survival of the fittest. It becomes an appreciation of aesthetics, an exercise of our brain's highest functions. No longer anchored by primitive survival requirements, we progress into levels of metaphysical beauty. We flow on currents of expanded consciousness. -- "This president has destroyed the country, the economy, the relationship with the rest of the world. He's a monster in the White House. He should resign." - Hunter S. Thompson, speaking to an antiwar audience in 2003. |
Chris Guynn wrote:
Have you ever considered strapping a tank to your back and checking out what the surface of the water looks like from the other side? You might be amazed. I've got limited kayaking experience, but I'd much rather swim with the fishes. Never had the pleasure, largely because I don't get the chance. Closest I got was snorkling in Key West. The rivers where I live are very low volume, as in knee deep at best during the summer. Canoe and kayak are best suited for the local aquatic niche. Scuba classes are held in some of the local abandoned rock quarries, all on private land. Much of the river banks snuggle up to National Forest, open to public use and camping. So, I take advantage of what's in my backyard. I can be on either the North or South Fork of the Shenandoah River within 10 minutes from my home. -- "This president has destroyed the country, the economy, the relationship with the rest of the world. He's a monster in the White House. He should resign." - Hunter S. Thompson, speaking to an antiwar audience in 2003. |
Grip wrote:
Yep sounds like a hunter and ward churchill fan all right The river is my muse. I'd sing songs to her but she takes my breath away. -- "This president has destroyed the country, the economy, the relationship with the rest of the world. He's a monster in the White House. He should resign." - Hunter S. Thompson, speaking to an antiwar audience in 2003. |
In rec.boats.paddle Chris Guynn wrote:
snip : Have you ever considered strapping a tank to your back and checking out what : the surface of the water looks like from the other side? You might be : amazed. I've got limited kayaking experience, but I'd much rather swim with : the fishes. As I see schools of latex fishies passing me in my kayak, no, I have not considered jumping in... http://www.chicagopaddling.org/grandcalumetsign.jpg -- John Nelson ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chicago Area Paddling/Fishing Page http://www.chicagopaddling.org http://www.chicagofishing.org (A Non-Commercial Web Site: No Sponsors, No Paid Ads and Nothing to Sell) |
Chris Guynn wrote:
Have you ever considered strapping a tank to your back and checking out what the surface of the water looks like from the other side? You might be amazed. I've got limited kayaking experience, but I'd much rather swim with the fishes. Did, do both. Kayaking is great, for the sport itself, for the social aspects, for the nature experience. There is wildlife and calmness above the surface, too. You can take a small tent, mat, sleeping bag, something to cook, it, catch fish, and vanish into wildlife. Only to meet dozens of others doing the same, sometimes ;-) Unfortunately there are not yet real camo kayaks. Too difficult melting with the surface. Matthias PS: we take minor scuba equipment to learn rolls ;-) |
"Frederick Burroughs" wrote in message ... Chris Guynn wrote: Have you ever considered strapping a tank to your back and checking out what the surface of the water looks like from the other side? You might be amazed. I've got limited kayaking experience, but I'd much rather swim with the fishes. Never had the pleasure, largely because I don't get the chance. Closest I got was snorkling in Key West. The rivers where I live are very low volume, as in knee deep at best during the summer. Canoe and kayak are best suited for the local aquatic niche. Scuba classes are held in some of the local abandoned rock quarries, all on private land. Much of the river banks snuggle up to National Forest, open to public use and camping. So, I take advantage of what's in my backyard. I can be on either the North or South Fork of the Shenandoah River within 10 minutes from my home. I lived within 15 minutes of the headwaters of the Nantahala in NC. I enjoyed my limited kayaking, but I'd still rather travel farther to watch the fish in their natural habitat. :-) |
Frederick Burroughs wrote: donquijote1954 wrote: Darwin proposed the "survival of the fittest." I think he also proposed "size matters," though this may have been proposed by his wife. And both laws fit our roads and waterways quite well. ;) Niche is as important, or more so than competition. While the bass boaters are restricted to a two or three mile stretch of river behind a dam, paddlers have a couple hundred miles of quiet, remotely beautiful and largely unspoiled river. But, that short stretch of river frequented by the bass fishermen is an economic engine for the state, with boat registration, fishing permits and fishing guide businesses. Let the muthaboaters have their piers and concrete ramps. Paddlers are happy to have a dirt or graveled pull-off from any state road that runs near the water. There is little that can rival the beauty of silently gliding on a waterway unassaulted by the hand and removed from the noise of man. In fog-shrouded morning or gold and red-hued evening, these quiet places become transcendent. A canoe or kayak is the best time machine invented. It takes you into the distant past (or far future, beyond the reign of man). It is not a question of survival of the fittest. It becomes an appreciation of aesthetics, an exercise of our brain's highest functions. No longer anchored by primitive survival requirements, we progress into levels of metaphysical beauty. We flow on currents of expanded consciousness. Beautiful piece of writing indeed, but rather weak in justifying the lion. Where's that money from motorboats going if not to pay THE MACHINE, rather grinding I'd say... Where's the law? Things get more difficult all the time... Beautiful day for kayaking. Perfect where I live, since I live here, in a human jungle, mostly because I can walk to the bay, barely one block away. So I just walked my kayak there until I heard someone--the park guard--screaming. "No kayaks here!" "Why!?" I said. "Well, regulations," he barked back. "But is there any law?" I insisted. He informed me that the Parks Department doesn't want any legal suit from people hurting themselves on the rocks... According to that logic, the medical profession would be banned because you can bring suits against doctors... And then I asked him if he didn't do anything about a homeless couple near us, a common sight at the park. He challenged me, "do they bother you?" And I say they don't bother me in quickly passing through the park, but they sure scare the average family. In effect, most of our parks remain no man's land. Anyway I didn't take "no" for an answer, and I had him call the police. But, of course, lion helps lion, and I was almost swallowed. And they say they serve the community... I asked them why they don't take care of the homeless in the park, and they anwered back that that was a different issue. Thinking to myself, "shouldn't the issue be a clean, safe park?" And then I asked, "where's the law that prevents me from launching a kayak at this park?" They clued me in there's no law, only the law of the guard, and roared at me to get lost at once or else... And I say, I know that law, THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE... NOTE: I called the Parks Department later and they confirmed the prohibition. So a member of the community trying to have fun out there is restricted by the "law"; the homeless though got the law on their side. Where's the law? |
Chicago Paddling-Fishing wrote: In rec.boats.paddle Chris Guynn wrote: snip : Have you ever considered strapping a tank to your back and checking out what : the surface of the water looks like from the other side? You might be : amazed. I've got limited kayaking experience, but I'd much rather swim with : the fishes. As I see schools of latex fishies passing me in my kayak, no, I have not considered jumping in... http://www.chicagopaddling.org/grandcalumetsign.jpg You're probably thinking, "Gee it's a jungle down there." But hey, it's a jungle on the surface too, let alone on land so go ahead and jump. ;) |
donquijote1954 wrote:
Beautiful day for kayaking. Perfect where I live, since I live here, in a human jungle, mostly because I can walk to the bay, barely one block away. So I just walked my kayak there until I heard someone--the park guard--screaming. "No kayaks here!" "Why!?" I said. "Well, regulations," he barked back. "But is there any law?" I insisted. He informed me that the Parks Department doesn't want any legal suit from people hurting themselves on the rocks... According to that logic, the medical profession would be banned because you can bring suits against doctors... And then I asked him if he didn't do anything about a homeless couple near us, a common sight at the park. He challenged me, "do they bother you?" And I say they don't bother me in quickly passing through the park, but they sure scare the average family. In effect, most of our parks remain no man's land. Anyway I didn't take "no" for an answer, and I had him call the police. But, of course, lion helps lion, and I was almost swallowed. And they say they serve the community... I asked them why they don't take care of the homeless in the park, and they anwered back that that was a different issue. Thinking to myself, "shouldn't the issue be a clean, safe park?" And then I asked, "where's the law that prevents me from launching a kayak at this park?" They clued me in there's no law, only the law of the guard, and roared at me to get lost at once or else... And I say, I know that law, THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE... NOTE: I called the Parks Department later and they confirmed the prohibition. So a member of the community trying to have fun out there is restricted by the "law"; the homeless though got the law on their side. Where's the law? Perhaps you should stand up, take control of your life, and move out of that overpriced slum that you appear to live in. Of course, I really doubt that you'd fit in out in the country. All those rednecks, don't you know? The ones that you appear to look down on. The ones that you might have to depend upon to pull you out of the ditch, jump start your car some time, or be part of the volunteer crew that comes to fight a fire at your place. Heaven forbid that they might expect the same from you. |
"And what of the dolphin who kills the shark, yet eats his fill of
sardines? The problem with sardines is that they are designed to be eaten....." See what I mean? Typical Conservative: the sardines are designed to be eaten, probably designed by God... Has it ever crossed your mind that they are living creatures, no worse than sharks? Why then we don't pick on them? They are ugly for one... Well man, I got news for you, sardines are pretty and they have the right to cooperate to survive. By the way, dolphins (save for a few) belong with the little fish because they are smart and also cute. I think there's another Law of the Jungle that says (or ought to say) SURVIVAL OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL. |
"Just like a pack of Wolves ha? Yeah They are efficient predators. The
needs of the PACK outweigh the needs of the individual, But wait with in the PACK there is always the Alpha male & Alpha female. How does that quote go, we are all equal but some of us are more equal then others.." Predators do cooperate all the time, and you can observe it at the Tundra, the Jungle or the United Nations... All the more reason for the little fish to get together and cooperate. They won't be the exactly the same (a lie planted by communism) but it will ensure them SURVIVAL AND LIVING WITHOUT THE PREDATOR. |
"donquijote1954" wrote in message oups.com... All the more reason for the little fish to get together and cooperate. They won't be the exactly the same (a lie planted by communism) but it will ensure them SURVIVAL AND LIVING WITHOUT THE PREDATOR. Pure propaganda perpetuated by the FLA (1). The AASP(2) has been fighting this prejudice for decades now with little inroads into breaking down the misconception towards Aquatic Predators. APs are not the fishes' enemies, they are helping to remove the weaklings that, if allowed to survive, would weaken their respective species and therefore their ability to survive. DO NOT believe the lies of the FLA, we will be more then happy to meet with any independent thinkers of the fish contingency to go over the facts. Any place, anytime, just don't forget to bring the tartar sauce. (1) Fish Liberation Army (2) Association for the Advancement of Sharks & Piranhas |
donquijote1954 wrote:
"And what of the dolphin who kills the shark, yet eats his fill of sardines? The problem with sardines is that they are designed to be eaten....." See what I mean? Typical Conservative: the sardines are designed to be eaten, probably designed by God... Has it ever crossed your mind that they are living creatures, no worse than sharks? Why then we don't pick on them? They are ugly for one... Well man, I got news for you, sardines are pretty and they have the right to cooperate to survive. By the way, dolphins (save for a few) belong with the little fish because they are smart and also cute. I think there's another Law of the Jungle that says (or ought to say) SURVIVAL OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL. And I ought to be rich, and you ought to be more intelligent. But that's the way the world works. -- Your ridiculous little opinion has been noted. My diesel truck has been modified to run on an environmentally friendly mixture of clean burning Caribou fat and whale oil. "Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions" G.K. Chesterton |
Don Freeman wrote: "donquijote1954" wrote in message oups.com... All the more reason for the little fish to get together and cooperate. They won't be the exactly the same (a lie planted by communism) but it will ensure them SURVIVAL AND LIVING WITHOUT THE PREDATOR. Pure propaganda perpetuated by the FLA (1). The AASP(2) has been fighting this prejudice for decades now with little inroads into breaking down the misconception towards Aquatic Predators. APs are not the fishes' enemies, they are helping to remove the weaklings that, if allowed to survive, would weaken their respective species and therefore their ability to survive. DO NOT believe the lies of the FLA, we will be more then happy to meet with any independent thinkers of the fish contingency to go over the facts. Any place, anytime, just don't forget to bring the tartar sauce. (1) Fish Liberation Army (2) Association for the Advancement of Sharks & Piranhas You shall not trust the AASP. They have been canning sardines for the last one hundred years. If they mean good, we can only negotiate with sharks in cages. |
dazed and confuzzed wrote: I think there's another Law of the Jungle that says (or ought to say) SURVIVAL OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL. And I ought to be rich, and you ought to be more intelligent. But that's the way the world works. And the shark ought to be less hungry. I mean, this is NOT about survival for the predator, but just a bulimic shark. |
donquijote1954 wrote:
NOTE: I called the Parks Department later and they confirmed the prohibition. So a member of the community trying to have fun out there is restricted by the "law"; the homeless though got the law on their side. Where's the law? A couple of things... Maybe you can utilize the time when the law is clocked out, say early in the morning or late in the evening? Less competition at the water hole; predators still in bed, or watching the evening news. No one is there to even have a 2nd thought. We are after all moderately proficient and adaptable apes, but handicapped by a weakness for habit and routine. Break the routine and niche widens, competition diminishes, boundaries expand, stretch and become porous. Go to the waters edge before first light and the world is yours. Use the moon to open unknown universes. **** their 9 to 5 laws. If you don't have one already, go get a DeLorme atlas for your state. These atlases show all established public boat ramps and canoe landings. Our affection for water is unique among apes; from our heritage towards our destiny. Draw lessons from both shark and sardine, and territorial ape. -- "This president has destroyed the country, the economy, the relationship with the rest of the world. He's a monster in the White House. He should resign." - Hunter S. Thompson, speaking to an antiwar audience in 2003. |
Frederick Burroughs wrote: donquijote1954 wrote: NOTE: I called the Parks Department later and they confirmed the prohibition. So a member of the community trying to have fun out there is restricted by the "law"; the homeless though got the law on their side. Where's the law? A couple of things... Maybe you can utilize the time when the law is clocked out, say early in the morning or late in the evening? Less competition at the water hole; predators still in bed, or watching the evening news. No one is there to even have a 2nd thought. We are after all moderately proficient and adaptable apes, but handicapped by a weakness for habit and routine. Break the routine and niche widens, competition diminishes, boundaries expand, stretch and become porous. Go to the waters edge before first light and the world is yours. Use the moon to open unknown universes. **** their 9 to 5 laws. If you don't have one already, go get a DeLorme atlas for your state. These atlases show all established public boat ramps and canoe landings. Our affection for water is unique among apes; from our heritage towards our destiny. Draw lessons from both shark and sardine, and territorial ape. Well, that's exactly the way I go around it now: when the predators sleep. Originally I bought a bigger kayak cart that allowed me to walk 3 times as much with ease. But still the launching itself was a pain, having a seawall and a drop, and stinking water. Still use it before 9 pm because of the predator. It's unbeliebably beautiful at night and comfortable, at least in the summer, and I have some islands around that offer the right reward: NO JUNGLE. ;) |
Closing to motorboats one day a weekend, not a bad idea for other
places. But they are already complaining. Well, the happy polluting family can alway get their big fat arse on a kayak... Rough water ahead for motorboats Amanda Fehd June 22, 2005 A proposal to close Emerald Bay to private motorboats for one day each weekend in July and August because of exhaust pollution has boating enthusiasts asking a lot of questions. The plan is part of shorezone requirements that have been 15 years in the making by the Tahoe Regional Planning Agency, which regulates environmental policies at the lake. Largely overlooked, the issue could become more controversial as the agency prepares to approve its final shorezone regulation - a decision repeatedly delayed because there hasn't been consensus. Research has found high levels of exhaust pollution in the bay - the same pollution that significantly decreased in other areas of the lake after the agency banned two-stroke engines in 1998. Emerald Bay has become a hot spot of carcinogens and mutagens produced by fuel combustion, said Colleen Shade, chief of the planning and evaluation team for the agency. The watercraft community sees the move as another means to chip away at the rights of boaters on the lake, who fought a long battle when the ban on two-stroke engines was proposed and eventually passed. "The theory in the boating community is that they hope to eventually ban power boats altogether in Lake Tahoe," said Ron Williams, owner of a 76-fleet power boat rental company, Tahoe Keys Boat Rental. He spent $200,000 converting his jet ski inventory to four stroke when the two-stroke ban took place. Agency spokeswoman Julie Regan acknowledged there is a demand for areas in the lake to be non-motorized, but said the "TRPA has no interest in banning all motorized watercraft on the lake. "We understand that boating has an important history here, and that it's always been a part of life on Lake Tahoe." But Williams said he's starting to see a pattern in how the agency handles problems. "The TRPA likes to arbitrarily take away rights from the citizens and the community and a lot of times, they come up with these half-baked ideas," Williams said. "Rights come with responsibility," said Regan. "We have a duty to encourage recreation that is environmentally sustainable. You can love a place (like Emerald Bay) to death. You can ruin a resource if you don't manage it correctly." Tour boats such as the M.S. Dixie would still have free reign in the bay under the proposals. The paddlewheelers are already heavily monitored, said Regan. In addition, the closure would not affect canoes, kayaks, and sailboats. Implementation is a long way off, said Regan. The TRPA Governing Board would have to vote on the document and the earliest pilot project would be next summer. http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/art...News/106220028 |
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"Three times this week I've gone paddling in a local resevoir - drinking water, no less. The lake wraps around some small hills so it there are different places to go, the scenery changes, and you can paddle 4 - 5 miles without much overlap. This evening before sunset the water was like black oil - just so smooth and reflective it was like paddling through the sky. But I'm jumpin' mad. Every freakin' day I go there I pick up litter at the put in and an occassional bag or can or styrofoam bait box out on the water. Tonight, the weather was so nice there were dozens of people along the lake fishing. And the litter was overwhelming. The ultimate was the stream of litter that I paddled into. First a potato chip bag - absolutely fresh - just dumped within minutes. Then 3 soda cans - on top of the water, they weren't in for long. Then a plastic bag and more crap. One by one a take them and set them on my spray skirt. I paddle up to the source of the effluent - 3 schmucks fishing on the shore. 'Your stuff' - like the straight line from them through each piece of trash wasn't obvious. No one answers. I get back to the put-in I left exactly one hour earlier. The amount of trash was incredible. I had cleaned it 100% before I put in. All of this is from people fishing. There are no gas motors on the lake and 99% of the use is fishing. I've seen a dozen kayakers over the years there. Tonight I was one of three kayakers. Some of you fish, I don't. Would you explain to me why people go to a beautiful place to fish and turn it into a garbage dump? How f'n retarded do you have to be to do this? I swore before I wouldn't clean up because it is a sucker's game. Today I was the sucker again but not tomorrow." *** It happens because NOBODY GIVES A DAMN AND NOBODY TALKS ABOUT IT, but look on the bright side of it. Instead of looking at it as a DIRTY PLAYGROUND, look at it as a CLEAN DUMPGROUND. Very similar to the glass half empty or half full... That's what I do with the bay where I launch the kayak. It's full of floating GARBAGE AND OIL (motorboats compound the problem here), but I look at it as a lightly polluted dumpground. And this attitude allows me to still go out there and enjoy myself. One day sooner rather than later the whole ocean will be like that and we must get used to it. And there's another positive side to it: even THE SHARK will be gone... |
"donquijote1954" wrote in
oups.com: Some of you fish, I don't. Would you explain to me why people go to a beautiful place to fish and turn it into a garbage dump? How f'n retarded do you have to be to do this? You're not talking about people who fish. You're talking about people who litter. Every year the local Trout Unlimited chapter has 2-3 outings to hit the local rivers specifically just to clean up. A couple of years ago I was out flyfishing and pulled two bicycles and a shopping cart from one of may favorite sections. It's a creek that runs through the middle of town ( I used to live a block and half away from it) so it's not exactly the most pristine of surroundings but it also has an annual run of brown trout and landlock salmon, some of which more than 10 pounds. |
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"Some folks are just ignorant pigs."
More pig than ignorant, I'd say. But ENFORCEMENT and RECYCLING can help quite a bit. The problem is the shark is not into that kind of concern. He's after easy prey somewhere else, and trashing is good for business. :( |
Here's a shark that ignores RECYCLING, and thus the need for a clean
community. Well, a filthy jungle is not his concern. It reminds me of Jacques Cousteau's words: "Living like rats it's not my idea of life." There's also good news, I mean on a small scale... "Ten states across America already achieve an 80 percent recycling rate for bottles and cans by requiring a refundable deposit on beverage containers. The key to increase recycling on a national basis is providing appropriate financial incentives," Woodall said. Pepsi 'Broke Recycling Promise' GrassRoots Recycling Network 27apr01 Shareholder Resolution Focuses Attention on Pepsi's Bottle and Can Waste ATLANTA, GA - PepsiCo Inc. (Ticker: PEP) broke its 1990 promise to make soda bottles with 25 percent recycled plastic and the company has spent millions of dollars lobbying against recycling legislation, environmental leaders said today. "More than 1.6 million Pepsi soda bottles and cans are thrown away every hour in the United States. In one day, more than 40 million Pepsi soft drink containers become litter or get sent to landfills and incinerators," said Bill Sheehan, national network coordinator for the Athens, Georgia-based GrassRoots Recycling Network. "It's time for Pepsi to take responsibility for wasting billions of beverage containers each year. We urge Pepsi shareholders to vote for the recycling proposal, proxy item Number 6, at the annual shareholder meeting in Dallas, Texas on May 2," Sheehan said. PepsiCo is the nation's second largest beverage maker. PepsiCo shareholders can vote via the Internet for the recycling proposal by going to the GrassRoots Recycling Network web site, at www.grrn.org . "We have targeted Pepsi for several reasons. First, because Pepsi broke its 1990 promise to use recycled plastic in making new soda bottles. Second, because the company increasingly relies on throwaway plastic bottles, and three out of four end up in landfills or incinerators. Third, because Pepsi has spent millions of dollars to defeat the most effective beverage container recycling laws in the nation - bottle bills," said Lance King, a spokesman for environmental groups supporting the shareholder resolution. Walden Asset Management of Boston, and Domini Social Investments of New York, which together own $20 million worth of PepsiCo stock, submitted the shareholder resolution. The non- binding resolution calls for PepsiCo to meet two specific recycling goals by January 1, 2005: * Make Pepsi plastic bottles with 25 percent recycled plastic; and * Achieve an 80 percent national recycling rate for bottles and cans. The PepsiCo recycling resolution is similar to one introduced at the April 18 Coke shareholder meeting. That proposal received 5.2% 'Yes" votes, representing 88.9 million shares worth more than $4 billion. PepsiCo and Coca-Cola both promised in 1990 to use 25% recycled plastic in their plastic bottles. Coke recently started using a small amount of recycled plastic in the United States, and CEO Doug Daft announced at the April 18 meeting that Coke has set a 10% recycled content goal by 2005 for their plastic bottles. Environmental groups led by the GrassRoots Recycling Network have waged a four-year campaign targeting Coca-Cola to take responsibility for rising beverage container waste and declining recycling rates. "Coke has been the focus of our campaign because they are the market leader, with 44% of the U.S. soft drink market. Pepsi, with 31% market share, has done nothing. Pepsi has gotten a free ride. But that is about to change," said Sheehan. "Plastics are now the largest portion of beverage container waste in the United States.," Pat Franklin, executive director of the Arlington, Virginia-based Container Recycling Institute said. "Beverage container waste increased more than 50 percent from 1992 to 1999. Pepsi is a big part of the problem." "Pepsi needs to take responsibility for its bottle and can waste. Throwing away billions of bottles and cans every year burdens local government and taxpayers with clean-up costs, pollutes the environment, and squanders valuable energy needed to make new containers from virgin resources," Franklin said. "The shareholder resolutions set realistic goals, based on actual experience. Plastic soda bottles are made with 25 percent recycled plastic in several countries, including Australia, Switzerland and Sweden. Coke has started using recycled plastic again in the United States, while Pepsi shirks its responsibility," Bob Woodall, executive director of Atlanta, Georgia-based Waste Not Georgia, said. "Ten states across America already achieve an 80 percent recycling rate for bottles and cans by requiring a refundable deposit on beverage containers. The key to increase recycling on a national basis is providing appropriate financial incentives," Woodall said. PepsiCo's recent acquisition of Gatorade brand, the sports drink leader, is both good news and bad news from a recycling perspective. "Gatorade reportedly uses some recycled plastic in making its bottles. However, more than 80 percent of Gatorade plastic bottles get thrown away, because only 2 states require a refundable deposit on this type of beverage," Sheehan said. "Non- carbonated drinks, like teas, sports drinks and water, are the fastest growing portion of the beverage market, and the fastest growing contributor to beverage container waste." * More information is at www.grrn.org/media * Contact: Lance King (703) 536-7282 Bill Sheehan (706) 613-7121 http://www.ecologycenter.org/iptf/no...enpromise.html |
"Frederick Burroughs" wrote in message ... Niche is as important, or more so than competition. While the bass boaters are restricted to a two or three mile stretch of river behind a dam, paddlers have a couple hundred miles of quiet, remotely beautiful and largely unspoiled river. But, that short stretch of river frequented by the bass fishermen is an economic engine for the state, with boat registration, fishing permits and fishing guide businesses. I won't wear my politics on my sleeve on a recreational boating list -- that's a bit like discussing religion and politics at a dinner party of acquaintances. Seems rude, but that's how my Daddy brought us up. Anyhoo, it seems that stereotypes are a decent substitute for thinking. Bass boaters routinely whiz past me as I start my paddle trip, giving me a kind of a "sheeee--yit" look as they turn their hats backward for the high-speed run, squirting a jet of tobacco juice in my general direction, with a disdainful look at my PFD. Theirs, of course, is stylishly zipped on to the back of the barber chair on their bass boat. Off they go to conquer the fearsome largemouth, leaving the yuppie wimp in their wake. It would be easy to be ****ed off at them if they didn't look so damn funny. When I get close enough to a bass boat with the motor off so I can hear myself think, I ask how much they charge for a haircut. Few of them get the joke. But sometimes I swear I can hear the bass in the livewell chuckling. Maybe they're laughing at me for stereotyping bass-boat fishermen. |
"Bob the Cow" wrote in message et... Anyhoo, it seems that stereotypes are a decent substitute for thinking. Bass boaters routinely whiz past me as I start my paddle trip, giving me a kind of a "sheeee--yit" look as they turn their hats backward for the high-speed run, squirting a jet of tobacco juice in my general direction, with a disdainful look at my PFD. Theirs, of course, is stylishly zipped on to the back of the barber chair on their bass boat. I've never had any trouble with boating fishermen, just the opposite in fact. Usually wind up having a short but pleasant conversation about how nice it is out on the water without a care in the world. Now the recreational boaters (water skiers and your general yahoo jetskier) are a completely different story... -Don Freeman |
"Bob the Cow" wrote in message et... as they turn their hats backward for the high-speed run, squirting a jet of tobacco juice in my general direction, A gay friend of mine once said that he could think of only one reason for a man to wear his baseball cap backwards. I guess he was wrong. |
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"suds" wrote: "Bob the Cow" wrote in message et... as they turn their hats backward for the high-speed run, squirting a jet of tobacco juice in my general direction, A gay friend of mine once said that he could think of only one reason for a man to wear his baseball cap backwards. I guess he was wrong. [shudder] |
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