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Camping Equipment Recommendations?
My wife and I are going to start camping from our kayaks. We have not bought
camping gear in years and are looking for recommendations on makes, models, vendors... Keep in mind that I am 6'4" tall with size 14 shoes... I need a bit more room than most folks. We are especially interested in sleeping bags... Make/model... Temp range Tents ... 4 person .... 3 season Stoves Lanterns Sleeping mats, cots, inflatable mattresses Anything else you can think of! |
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"wpatrick" wrote in message ... My wife and I are going to start camping from our kayaks. We have not bought camping gear in years and are looking for recommendations on makes, models, vendors... Keep in mind that I am 6'4" tall with size 14 shoes... I need a bit more room than most folks. We are especially interested in sleeping bags... Make/model... Temp range Tents ... 4 person .... 3 season Stoves Lanterns Sleeping mats, cots, inflatable mattresses Anything else you can think of! You forgot to ask about Honda generators. |
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wpatrick wrote: My wife and I are going to start camping from our kayaks. We have not bought camping gear in years and are looking for recommendations on makes, models, vendors... Keep in mind that I am 6'4" tall with size 14 shoes... I need a bit more room than most folks. We are especially interested in sleeping bags... Make/model... Temp range Tents ... 4 person .... 3 season Stoves Lanterns Sleeping mats, cots, inflatable mattresses Anything else you can think of! As for tents, I would go for something large enough to be comfortable. I kayak out to spoil islands for 2 and 3 day trips occasionally and was concerned about getting a bigger tent in my hatch. So, I was thinking I needed a small two man tent that would break down to a size less than 20 inches (some I saw were about 12 - 14 inches). Then, talking with someone at my local REI he suggested to just remove the tent poles. Never dawned on me. So instead of getting compact 2-man I got an REI model for 3-4. And honestly, more than 2 would have to be very friendly. I found a Slumber Jack bag 30 - 20 degree) that compacts down to about the size of a gallon jug and the sleeping bag may be more critical than the tent. I have some items listed on my site (they link to Bass Pro shop) but I have not updated the links so they may draw blank. I would certainly look at REI's web site and CampMor usually seems to have some good deals. I think you need to think about storage space in your kayak then your necessities. good luck, atljoe -- "Atlanta Joe" aka Joe Webb Flats fishing is Flat Fun! Visit my site at http://flatsfisher.com |
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MSR Whisperlite...most impressive lightweight stove I have ever owned.
Forget inflatable matresses. They get a hole and they are worthless. Some are more worthless than others. I use the thin blue foam ones instead, if you can find them. I find if I am way out in the wilderness there is usually no problem finding a soft spot to place a tent. State Parks are another thing all together...ugh. Ok, ok, inflatables are nice. Petzel head lamps...free your hands. Synthetic Fleece...it works great as long as you use a wind shell over it. Dries fast, light weight, warm. One of the best inventions since... well....since wool. Lanterns...I don't use them. I use a small candle lantern (can't remember the brand.)in the tent. I generally sleep when it is dark. Use a D cell flash light to get up and pee. Deet...forget Woodsman's fly dope. Forget OFF. And definitely forget Avon skin so soft. Go for the 100% DEET but watch your eyes and only use it when you really need to. A pair of horse hide work gloves. Make great pot holders and never wear out. Lots of light rope. Nylon clothes line is fine. Parachute cord is too skinny for me but works too. It also costs more. Forget bungie cord. It's for people who are too lazy to learn to tie a knot. It should be outlawed. IMHO Pants where the bottoms of the legs unzip to make shorts. A large military type waterproof poncho. You can live in it if you have to and stay dry in pouring rain. I usually lay it on wet ground. Polyethylene plastic ground sheet for when you are living in your poncho. I like the six mil black. You can get heavy stuff at farm supply stores. Duct Tape...I have lots left over from last year when Mr Rumsfeld terrorized everyone about poisen gas and bioterrorist attacks. I also have some Howard Dean buttons...what the heck am I going to do with these things? North face 3 season sleeping bags..good enough for me. Still looking for a decent and INEXPENSIVE simple rain proof grommetted tarp. Most vendors are asking WAY too much for a rectangle of fabric. Waterproof clear plastic zip lock sleeve to store charts and maps. A couple of good dry bags...any brand will work. A sturdy pair of metal tongs for picking up hot food and pots and moving pieces of burning wood around. I use liter bottles of store bought water and store them where ever I can find a place. Never used a water maker. I use a three person Kelty tent. It's pretty flimsey but I've stayed dry in some horrendous rain storms. You have to set up and tension the fly exactly right though. A beautiful wife and a good book. Is there anything else you need? wpatrick wrote: My wife and I are going to start camping from our kayaks. We have not bought camping gear in years and are looking for recommendations on makes, models, vendors... Keep in mind that I am 6'4" tall with size 14 shoes... I need a bit more room than most folks. We are especially interested in sleeping bags... Make/model... Temp range Tents ... 4 person .... 3 season Stoves Lanterns Sleeping mats, cots, inflatable mattresses Anything else you can think of! |
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Are you going to be camping in the summer? spring? winter? That
will make a big difference on the tent and bags. I have a Walrus Two Star (I think). It's technically a 3-season but I've used it several times in the winter -- Montana, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Colorado. With the rain-fly it isn't too bad. I couldn't afford two tents and I'd rather be cold than sweaty and sticky. Plus, I sleep with a hot (90 deg Celsuis) water bottle at my feet in the winter, so I rarely have trouble. Get a sleeping mattress. I have a 3/4 thermarest (light) and 3/4 thermarest (regular). You don't lose much heat through the contact between your legs and the ground, so I don't use a full-length. The light has been fine for me well below 0 centigrade. If you won't be winter camping much, get a light -- unless you think the added thickness is important for comfort. I normally let my girlfriend use the regular. I have a couple North Face bags (Cat's Meow and Flight 3D). They're great. Sierra Designs and others make good Polarguard stuff. Don't get down since you'll be kayaking with it -- it doesn't work wet. Even if you bag it up, they'll get wet somehow. It's important that you go to a store and check out the tents in person if you're concerned about fitting. If you boat with it, you shouldn't spend too much extra for small packing size or weight. Get something roomy and comfortable. Space is always nice in a tent. Stoves -- I have an MSR Whisperlight, but I think it's more of a backpacker stove than what you need. You can find others that are easier to setup and tear down that may not be as small but are fine if you've got a vehicle (kayak). Cheers, Jake wpatrick wrote in message ... My wife and I are going to start camping from our kayaks. We have not bought camping gear in years and are looking for recommendations on makes, models, vendors... Keep in mind that I am 6'4" tall with size 14 shoes... I need a bit more room than most folks. We are especially interested in sleeping bags... Make/model... Temp range Tents ... 4 person .... 3 season Stoves Lanterns Sleeping mats, cots, inflatable mattresses Anything else you can think of! |
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Jake Janovetz ) writes:
Are you going to be camping in the summer? spring? winter? That will make a big difference on the tent and bags. you can buy two lightweight sleeping bags and put one inside the other for winter camping. I've heard of three sleeping bags being used this way on cold nights. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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I'd get the biggest tent you can carry in your kayak. I wouldn't worry
about weight because the water will be carrying it, not you. And I wouldn't worry about winter grade because its pretty hard to paddle a kayak in frozen water. However I would worry about space, especially when you're caught in bad weather (too much wind and rain to paddle) and have to spend some time cooped up in the tent. I'd get an el cheapo and replace it every few years for less than teh cost of one of the high priced expedition tents, unless a person has money to waste or wants to impress other campers. What often happens is someone buys the best equipment, uses it for a couple years, and then loses interest in camping and has to give the high price merchandise away for some ridiculously low price. I used to like to travel solo by automobile staying at campgounds and had a cheap 10 person tent which was just the right size to spread my stuff around in, hang stuff to dry and air out at night (it gets wet with dew outside), and sit in a folding chair and read on cold, wet days. I soon got tired of lying down all night and all day on month-long trips. Of everything I took, the oversized tent was best. :) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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In article , William R. Watt wrote:
I'd get the biggest tent you can carry in your kayak. It can be darn difficult to find a place for an oversized tent. Sometimes you are lucky to find any flat area suitable for one man to sleep on. Oversized tent would be the worst thing ever on places like these: http://www.kolumbus.fi/timo.noko/bellabe1.jpg http://www.kolumbus.fi/timo.noko/kasa.jpg |
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I'd suggest a coated-nylon parawing. For just the two of you a 12x12
parawing would provide plenty of room for two bodies, some gear and even a kitchen area. Tarps are great of course for rainy days, but also for use as a sunshade, and wings are more stable in the wind and drain water more efficiently that a flat tarp. A 12x12 coated nylon tarp packs down to the size of a small football and can be set up effectively with only 2 "poles" (staking the two unpoled corners to the ground with a short piece of line). For kayak camping you can devise a way to use your paddles as poles for the two high corners (or better yet your spare paddles, which will allow you to leave the tarp set up while you day paddle and explore away from camp). wpatrick wrote in message ... My wife and I are going to start camping from our kayaks. We have not bought camping gear in years and are looking for recommendations on makes, models, vendors... Keep in mind that I am 6'4" tall with size 14 shoes... I need a bit more room than most folks. We are especially interested in sleeping bags... Make/model... Temp range Tents ... 4 person .... 3 season Stoves Lanterns Sleeping mats, cots, inflatable mattresses Anything else you can think of! |
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The parawings seem great. They are pretty expensive though.
Mike McCrea wrote: I'd suggest a coated-nylon parawing. For just the two of you a 12x12 parawing would provide plenty of room for two bodies, some gear and even a kitchen area. Tarps are great of course for rainy days, but also for use as a sunshade, and wings are more stable in the wind and drain water more efficiently that a flat tarp. A 12x12 coated nylon tarp packs down to the size of a small football and can be set up effectively with only 2 "poles" (staking the two unpoled corners to the ground with a short piece of line). For kayak camping you can devise a way to use your paddles as poles for the two high corners (or better yet your spare paddles, which will allow you to leave the tarp set up while you day paddle and explore away from camp). wpatrick wrote in message ... My wife and I are going to start camping from our kayaks. We have not bought camping gear in years and are looking for recommendations on makes, models, vendors... Keep in mind that I am 6'4" tall with size 14 shoes... I need a bit more room than most folks. We are especially interested in sleeping bags... Make/model... Temp range Tents ... 4 person .... 3 season Stoves Lanterns Sleeping mats, cots, inflatable mattresses Anything else you can think of! |
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I another thread,
"Mike McCrea" wrote in message om... I'd suggest a coated-nylon parawing. For just the two of you a 12x12 parawing would provide plenty of room for two bodies, some gear and even a kitchen area... A lot of years ago, a friend and I invented parawings, we doped out the math, and we cobbled up a few with hand awls and duct tape. They worked as intended. Beautifully. Very shortly after that, the commercial versions started appearing, and I eagerly bought successive versions, hoping for one that worked as well as the prototypes but was lighter, more durable, and didn't look like it had been stolen from a migrant camp. Not to be, alas. Even though some come with grand sales fluff that talked about 'hyperbolic paraboloids" and 'catenaries,' suggesting that the designers really understand the stuff, the nylon itself reveals no real grasp of the principles. Not the ones I've bought and tried to use anyway. The functional requirements are pretty simple: produce a more or less rectangular membrane that is taut everywhere when you pull the four corners, one diagonal high and the other low. The nylon topology you need to meet these requirements is pretty straightforward: 1.) to get the membrane in tension at the edges, you have to cut them in a curve that looks something like a catenary (the shape of the main cables in a suspension bridge) and embed some kind of a tension member in them, and 2.) tuck the membrane to produce the saddle shape (this is where the 'hyperbolic paraboloid' comes in). In practice, whether you're sewing nylon or ducttaping poly sheet, 2.) is accomplished by cutting strips or patches in a shape that falls out of the topology, and joining them together. AFAICFigure it, no commercial wing gets 2.) right. If you do get it right, the thing won't lie flat on the ground, and it's troublesome to fold, but once it's up, it's a marvel of set-it-and-forget-it comfort even in some pretty terrible conditions. There. I feel better now. Fred Klingener |
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and embed some kind of a tension
member in them, See..thats the whole problem..I just want something that doesnt require any poles because I almost always camp where there are trees and the poles add a lot of weight. Not so much of a problem in the boat but I also like to use my equipment for hiking. I think a simple square of fabric supported across the diagonal between two trees and stretched across all four corners corners, two to the trees and two to the ground, works almost as well and is much simpler to fabricate. True, it does not take advantage of the arch effect of a catenary parabaloid, but it doesn't need to. I find it hard to believe that the only company that sells such a thing is Campmor and their price is too high. A big square of rain fly material with a few loops or grommets should do the job just fine...for less money. |
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"steveJ" wrote in message
... and embed some kind of a tension member in them, See..thats the whole problem..I just want something that doesnt require any poles because I almost always camp where there are trees and the poles add a lot of weight. Don't need no steenking poles. Unless you have hiking poles or your canoe pole breaks down. Nuthin' in my rant that said anythin' 'bout poles. I use mine poleless whenever I can. Not so much of a problem in the boat but I also like to use my equipment for hiking. I think a simple square of fabric supported across the diagonal between two trees and stretched across all four corners corners, two to the trees and two to the ground, works almost as well and is much simpler to fabricate. 'Almost.' Which is the whole point. The square, rigged as you describe, is slack in the middle, will flap in the wind, and will collect rainwater and snow. Hence the interest in topology. A properly done wing will be quiet and stable in the wind, will shed water reliably, and will shed snow with a kick from below. True, it does not take advantage of the arch effect of a catenary parabaloid, but it doesn't need to. If you don't think so, then you're all set with a tarp. People have been happy with flat tarps for centuries. Civilization marches on. I find it hard to believe that the only company that sells such a thing is Campmor and their price is too high. A big square of rain fly material with a few loops or grommets should do the job just fine...for less money. I haven't seen Campmor's, so I don't have an opinion. I conspicuously avoided mentioning brands. Fred |
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So what's the "tension member" if not a pole?
Fred Klingener wrote: "steveJ" wrote in message ... and embed some kind of a tension member in them, See..thats the whole problem..I just want something that doesnt require any poles because I almost always camp where there are trees and the poles add a lot of weight. Don't need no steenking poles. Unless you have hiking poles or your canoe pole breaks down. Nuthin' in my rant that said anythin' 'bout poles. I use mine poleless whenever I can. Not so much of a problem in the boat but I also like to use my equipment for hiking. I think a simple square of fabric supported across the diagonal between two trees and stretched across all four corners corners, two to the trees and two to the ground, works almost as well and is much simpler to fabricate. 'Almost.' Which is the whole point. The square, rigged as you describe, is slack in the middle, will flap in the wind, and will collect rainwater and snow. Hence the interest in topology. A properly done wing will be quiet and stable in the wind, will shed water reliably, and will shed snow with a kick from below. True, it does not take advantage of the arch effect of a catenary parabaloid, but it doesn't need to. If you don't think so, then you're all set with a tarp. People have been happy with flat tarps for centuries. Civilization marches on. I find it hard to believe that the only company that sells such a thing is Campmor and their price is too high. A big square of rain fly material with a few loops or grommets should do the job just fine...for less money. I haven't seen Campmor's, so I don't have an opinion. I conspicuously avoided mentioning brands. Fred |
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"steveJ" wrote in message
... Fred Klingener wrote: "steveJ" wrote in message ... and embed some kind of a tension member in them, See..thats the whole problem..I just want something that doesnt require any poles because I almost always camp where there are trees and the poles add a lot of weight. Don't need no steenking poles. . . . So what's the "tension member" if not a pole? Sorry for the engineering bull****. The 'tension member' can just be a cord or cable passing through a tunnel sewn in the edge. Just like the hardware store blue tarps, except, to make the membrane work, curved. Fred |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:06:43 GMT, steveJ wrote:
Mike McCrea wrote: I'd suggest a coated-nylon parawing. For just the two of you a 12x12 parawing would provide plenty of room for two bodies, some gear and even a kitchen area. Tarps are great of course for rainy days, but also for use as a sunshade, and wings are more stable in the wind and drain water more efficiently that a flat tarp. A 12x12 coated nylon tarp packs down to the size of a small football and can be set up effectively with only 2 "poles" (staking the two unpoled corners to the ground with a short piece of line). For kayak camping you can devise a way to use your paddles as poles for the two high corners (or better yet your spare paddles, which will allow you to leave the tarp set up while you day paddle and explore away from camp). The parawings seem great. They are pretty expensive though. In a sport with each boat costing $700 plus on average? The wing tarp will alst a long time, and be usable for many camping activities. There are less expensive knock-offs of the original Moss/now MSR design. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
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Yup..at 200 bucks I hope so.
Gary S. wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:06:43 GMT, steveJ wrote: Mike McCrea wrote: I'd suggest a coated-nylon parawing. For just the two of you a 12x12 parawing would provide plenty of room for two bodies, some gear and even a kitchen area. Tarps are great of course for rainy days, but also for use as a sunshade, and wings are more stable in the wind and drain water more efficiently that a flat tarp. A 12x12 coated nylon tarp packs down to the size of a small football and can be set up effectively with only 2 "poles" (staking the two unpoled corners to the ground with a short piece of line). For kayak camping you can devise a way to use your paddles as poles for the two high corners (or better yet your spare paddles, which will allow you to leave the tarp set up while you day paddle and explore away from camp). The parawings seem great. They are pretty expensive though. In a sport with each boat costing $700 plus on average? The wing tarp will alst a long time, and be usable for many camping activities. There are less expensive knock-offs of the original Moss/now MSR design. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
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I use an MSR dragon fly and love it. It is light weight, multi-fuel, field
maintainable, fast to boil, and has a simmer valve for precise control. My only complaint is that it is loud; think mini jet engine. |
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You might consider one of the Ray Jardine tarp kits .
http://www.ray-way.com/kits/index.shtml Contrary to the picture shown on the web page in his tarp book he list various ways of using the tarp with line between trees . This type tarp would appear to be what is being used on a kayaking trip from foldingkayakadventures web page : http://www.dotphoto.com/GuestViewIma...1&IID=36872892 though in this case there are still no trees just sticks found along the shore . Or a Kifaru Paratarp , if you are not into sewing , but I think it is less versatile . They come in a coyote brown color now . http://www.kifaru.net/paratarp.htm D Mike McCrea wrote: I'd suggest a coated-nylon parawing. ... Tarps are great of course for rainy days, but also for use as a sunshade, and wings are more stable in the wind and drain water more efficiently that a flat tarp..... For kayak camping you can devise a way to use your paddles as poles for the two high corners (or better yet your spare paddles, which will allow you to leave the tarp set up while you day paddle and explore away from camp). wpatrick wrote in message ... We have not bought.... camping gear in years and are looking for recommendations on makes, models, |
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Opps #*@x , I guess you can't access the foldingkayakadventure tarp picture directly . Try this link ,
then find the picture . http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=Lyl...ck&AID=1191941 and have cookies enabled or click OK David Walker wrote: This type tarp would appear to be what is being used on a kayaking trip from foldingkayakadventures web page : http://www.dotphoto.com/GuestViewIma...1&IID=36872892 |
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That seems like a nice little unit.
Those photos of the bears are pretty incredible too. Not sure I'd be so comfortable around grizzlys. David Walker wrote: Opps #*@x , I guess you can't access the foldingkayakadventure tarp picture directly . Try this link , then find the picture . http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=Lyl...ck&AID=1191941 and have cookies enabled or click OK David Walker wrote: This type tarp would appear to be what is being used on a kayaking trip from foldingkayakadventures web page : http://www.dotphoto.com/GuestViewIma...1&IID=36872892 |
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Or must be they are brown bears
steveJ wrote: That seems like a nice little unit. Those photos of the bears are pretty incredible too. Not sure I'd be so comfortable around grizzlys. David Walker wrote: Opps #*@x , I guess you can't access the foldingkayakadventure tarp picture directly . Try this link , then find the picture . http://www.dotphoto.com/go.asp?l=Lyl...ck&AID=1191941 and have cookies enabled or click OK David Walker wrote: This type tarp would appear to be what is being used on a kayaking trip from foldingkayakadventures web page : http://www.dotphoto.com/GuestViewIma...1&IID=36872892 |
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I've been looking for tents and bags recently. I'm 6'1" but stockier than
tall. For 2 people tent, I ended up with a TNF Roadrunner 3. MSR's Hammerhead 3 and REI's Taj 3 were also in the running. I didn't look at 4 person tents. I was able to catch a good sale at Campmor. For my bag, I bought an REI Syn Cat 20 degree. The TNF Mammoth bag was still too constraining to me. I also like the Big Agnes, which includes a 20in mattress. But since I already had a 25 inch wide mattress, I went with the Syn Cat. "wpatrick" wrote in message ... My wife and I are going to start camping from our kayaks. We have not bought camping gear in years and are looking for recommendations on makes, models, vendors... Keep in mind that I am 6'4" tall with size 14 shoes... I need a bit more room than most folks. We are especially interested in sleeping bags... Make/model... Temp range Tents ... 4 person .... 3 season Stoves Lanterns Sleeping mats, cots, inflatable mattresses Anything else you can think of! |
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We use an MSR water filter which takes a bit of patience to pump a lot
of water, but it works fine. -kim |
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"Michael Daly" wrote in message
able.rogers.com... On 30-Jan-2004, "Fred Klingener" wrote: I think a simple square of fabric supported across the diagonal between two trees and stretched across all four corners corners, two to the trees and two to the ground, works almost as well and is much simpler to fabricate. 'Almost.' Which is the whole point. The square, rigged as you describe, is slack in the middle, will flap in the wind, and will collect rainwater and snow. Hence the interest in topology. That's right. To convert a flat rectangle into a hyperbolic parabaloid you have to get the fabric to sustain shear normal to the plane of the fabric. Typo? You mean shear in the plane? You can do it with an elastic solid, but it just can't be done with a fabric. Hence the cutting and shaping. Most fabrics will shear to a degree, coated fabrics somewhat less, but you also need differential stretch. You have use Lycra (do they make waterproof Lycra?) or else preset the deformation pattern you need with kite-shaped tiles. Do you know of a commercial wing that has it right? Any I've seen have the right ad copy but are flat-cut. Fred Klingener |
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:15:12 GMT, "Fred Klingener"
wrote: Do you know of a commercial wing that has it right? Any I've seen have the right ad copy but are flat-cut. The MSR ones (originally designed by Moss) have the complex shape design you are talking about, and the manufacturing quality to execute it well. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
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"Fred Klingener" wrote in message m...
AFAICFigure it, no commercial wing gets 2.) right. If you do get it right, the thing won't lie flat on the ground, and it's troublesome to fold, but once it's up, it's a marvel of set-it-and-forget-it comfort even in some pretty terrible conditions. I'm feeling pretty good about having bought a relatively inexpensive ($80) no-name Campmor wing 4 or 5 years ago. Campmor doesn't seem to sell that 'wing anymore (I don't see it in their catelogue anyway); too bad, 'cause I believe they got it right. The one we have is a simple 16x16 and it does everything you say about a correctly designed parawing. It's drum tight when erected properly, ain't no way it'll lay flat on the ground (it is more or less impossible to fold up; we usually fold it about half way and then just kinda crunch and stuff). I'm sold on the functionality of a parawing though, and can't imagine going back to a flat tarp*. The only downside I've found to a parawing is the reduction of covered space due to the shape and necessity to have two corners set low - I find our 16x16 provides just enough space for four people, a kitchen area and a small bit of gear. * Although we still carry a blue poly 8x10 piece of junk for rough uses I wouldn't subject our 'wing to, using the poly job as a cover for the woodpile, or ground tarp for staging gear when packing or unpacking, or set up vertically as a windbreak... |
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On 1/27/04 15:05, in article ,
"wpatrick" wrote: My wife and I are going to start camping from our kayaks. We have not bought camping gear in years and are looking for recommendations on makes, models, vendors... Keep in mind that I am 6'4" tall with size 14 shoes... I need a bit more room than most folks. We are especially interested in sleeping bags... Make/model... Temp range Tents ... 4 person .... 3 season Stoves Lanterns Sleeping mats, cots, inflatable mattresses Anything else you can think of! Thanks to all for your great recommendations. I think we are leaning toward a high quality 3 season / 4 person tent with foot print, 20 degree mummy bags, a couple of different size tarps made from materials purchased from Seattle Fabric, Svea 123 stove, candle lanterns, etc. This gives us what we believe will be a good camping package that will pack easily into our two boats (Prijon Kodiak and Seayak) with plenty of room for water, fuel, and food. |
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:39:15 -0800, wpatrick
wrote: On 1/27/04 15:05, in article , "wpatrick" wrote: My wife and I are going to start camping from our kayaks. We have not bought camping gear in years and are looking for recommendations on makes, models, vendors... Keep in mind that I am 6'4" tall with size 14 shoes... I need a bit more room than most folks. Thanks to all for your great recommendations. I think we are leaning toward a high quality 3 season / 4 person tent with foot print, 20 degree mummy bags, a couple of different size tarps made from materials purchased from Seattle Fabric, Svea 123 stove, candle lanterns, etc. This gives us what we believe will be a good camping package that will pack easily into our two boats (Prijon Kodiak and Seayak) with plenty of room for water, fuel, and food. For the tents you are considering, note that some have longer pole sections, and might not fit well through deck hatches. Weight and performance matter, but for kayaking, size and shape in relation to how you load gear can matter. Bicycle tourists who camp have similar concerns, although not as extreme. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
Camping Equipment Recommendations?
You can take the poles out of the tent bag and store the poles next to the
seat in the cockpit, which is very long. |
Camping Equipment Recommendations?
I think we are leaning toward
a high quality 3 season / 4 person tent with foot print, 20 degree mummy bags, a couple of different size tarps made from materials purchased from Seattle Fabric, Svea 123 stove, candle lanterns, etc. Beware of those candle lanterns in warm weather. I had one that was spring loaded hanging in my tent one summer. Came back from rafting at the end of the day to find it empty. Damn thing melted and the spring kept pushing it out. My sleeping bag seem to soak it all up real well. |
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