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Thanks for your interest.


Good looking boat. Check her out at:


http://www.westsail.com/forsale/caper.htm

FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

help us out here, dude. Is it realistically priced at maybe $37,000 to $45,000
obo, or is it bargan priced at $18,500, or is it fantasy priced at $87,000?

Ususually, no price mentioned indicates the seller *knows* he is operating on
the fantasy level.

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

Ususually, no price mentioned indicates the seller *knows* he is operating on
the fantasy level.

He has a listed price of 59K.

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

Just click the link, dude. RB had enough strength in his forearm to do the
job. Do you?



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Ususually, no price mentioned indicates the seller *knows* he is operating
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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

He has a listed price of 59K.

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I stand by my statement. no price given is nearly always an absolute
indication the seller thinks he has rare gold.

Either that, or he is some self-centered sumbitch who believes the world is
required to work for his pleasure.

From: "R.W. Behan"
Date: 5/31/2004 11:00 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Just click the link, dude. RB had enough strength in his forearm to do the
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$45,000
obo, or is it bargan priced at $18,500, or is it fantasy priced at
$87,000?

Ususually, no price mentioned indicates the seller *knows* he is operating
on
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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

Jax, look, I'm not going to get in a ****ing match with you. I put a link
in my post to save everyone a lot of time and effort. The price is quickly
available by clicking once with your mouse. If that makes me a
self-centered sumbitch you are free to decide, and so is everyone else--like
RB, who was willing to click on the link. You are also free to evaluate
Westsails any way you choose, but the price of the boats is determined by
what people are willing to pay for them, not your arrogant, self-righteous,
arbitrary prattlings--which are far out of line with real transactions. If
you have nothing but sarcasm and invective to contribute here, I'd be happy
if you'd graciously bug off.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I stand by my statement. no price given is nearly always an absolute
indication the seller thinks he has rare gold.

Either that, or he is some self-centered sumbitch who believes the world
is
required to work for his pleasure.

From: "R.W. Behan"
Date: 5/31/2004 11:00 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Just click the link, dude. RB had enough strength in his forearm to do
the
job. Do you?



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$45,000
obo, or is it bargan priced at $18,500, or is it fantasy priced at
$87,000?

Ususually, no price mentioned indicates the seller *knows* he is
operating
on
the fantasy level.

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

hey, yo-yo, you don't seem to understand. Your deliberate effort to hide the
price of your boat was noticed by every last person who read your ad. EVERY
LAST PERSON.

Those who had no interest whatsoever *might* be curious enough to click on your
link. Might. Everyone else with even the slightest genune interest figured --
accurately -- that you want well above market value for your boat. Some, just
some, of those in the second group clicked on your link.

you see, dum-dum, you went out of your way to tell the readers of your ad that
you are more important than they are. That is a stupid fricken mistake never
made by professionals and seldom made by honest men.

you would have been better off, behan, claiming ignorance early on. Instead,
you fully confirmed that the omission was deliberate.

Jax, look, I'm not going to get in a ****ing match with you. I put a link
in my post to save everyone a lot of time and effort. The price is quickly
available by clicking once with your mouse. If that makes me a
self-centered sumbitch you are free to decide, and so is everyone else--like
RB, who was willing to click on the link. You are also free to evaluate
Westsails any way you choose, but the price of the boats is determined by
what people are willing to pay for them, not your arrogant, self-righteous,
arbitrary prattlings--which are far out of line with real transactions. If
you have nothing but sarcasm and invective to contribute here, I'd be happy
if you'd graciously bug off.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I stand by my statement. no price given is nearly always an absolute
indication the seller thinks he has rare gold.

Either that, or he is some self-centered sumbitch who believes the world
is
required to work for his pleasure.

From: "R.W. Behan"
Date: 5/31/2004 11:00 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Just click the link, dude. RB had enough strength in his forearm to do
the
job. Do you?



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...
help us out here, dude. Is it realistically priced at maybe $37,000 to
$45,000
obo, or is it bargan priced at $18,500, or is it fantasy priced at
$87,000?

Ususually, no price mentioned indicates the seller *knows* he is
operating
on
the fantasy level.

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

Your deliberate effort to hide the
price of your boat was noticed by every last person who read your ad. EVERY
LAST PERSON.

Jax, seriously, what are you on about. His website listed the price clearly.
It's a Westsail, not a Catalina. How does it matter, so long as the price is
clearly listed somewhere, which it is?
It's his boat and all prices are "asking" by definition of the seller wants to
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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

my comment was not that he totally hide the price, but rather that he
deliberately hid it from first glance. This is always some amateur con artist
trying to lurk a sucker into paying over market for under market goods.

A friend of mine is actively considering the purchase of a Westsail 32. He has
asked me to help checked each one he might be interested in, and we have
traveled to see two such boats. The first sold from $18.5k, and was worth
about $12k (about 20 people saw the boat with no offers at all, the buyer
buying sight unseen from 800 miles away). The second went from an asking of
$44k to to $37k to $28k in a matter of a short time before selling (it was
worth $28k to $31k).

From long experience, neither I nor my friend will even consider any boat
offered without a price, for such boats are never fairly priced relative to
market value.

Jax, seriously, what are you on about. His website listed the price clearly.
It's a Westsail, not a Catalina. How does it matter, so long as the price is
clearly listed somewhere, which it is?
It's his boat and all prices are "asking" by definition of the seller wants
to
make a sale.

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

Jax, he did not hide his price in any way. Anyone interested would just click
the link, as I did. Really now! Just one click! Meanwhile, a 1979 Westsail 32
sold out of my club last year for 51K. A quick look at yachtworld shows his
price is in the ballpark for these boats. Did you read about the boat?
Repowered and a ton of custom work. The boats looks nice, nicer than the one I
saw last year. Really nice Westsails tend to sell in the 40-50K range as a
START. Sure, you may find one cheaper, but not easily. You don't have to buy
his boat or even click his website, but he did nothing wrong and the webpage
covers all of the details...and the price.
Best of luck to your friend.

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

the point was the guy purposefully avoided the slightest mention of price. he
required that any and all who might even remotely be interested in his boat to
work at finding out about it. That is an absolute tip-off the seller believes
totally his asking price is above market price and his boat is below. This
true of virtually every last product sold. Always true. Bet the ranch on it.

btw, if you check the listings you will find damned few westsails are selling
these days. the boats just stay listed and stay listed and stay listed.
Asking prices of Westsail 32's in SF area (an economically depressed area since
the dot bomb) are low $30's and no takers (similar problems with all boats in
SF area now). A W-32 can be shipped SF to most anywhere in the country for
$5,000 or less.

The guy was looking for someone to pay over market, or the guy was hoping
against hope his boat actually is over market. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, his
failure to show a price upfront clearly shows he hoped to rope someone in.

Jax, he did not hide his price in any way. Anyone interested would just click
the link, as I did. Really now! Just one click! Meanwhile, a 1979 Westsail 32
sold out of my club last year for 51K. A quick look at yachtworld shows his
price is in the ballpark for these boats. Did you read about the boat?
Repowered and a ton of custom work. The boats looks nice, nicer than the one
I
saw last year. Really nice Westsails tend to sell in the 40-50K range as a
START. Sure, you may find one cheaper, but not easily. You don't have to buy
his boat or even click his website, but he did nothing wrong and the webpage
covers all of the details...and the price.
Best of luck to your friend.

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

the point was the guy purposefully avoided the slightest mention of price. he
required that any and all who might even remotely be interested in his boat to
work at finding out about it. That is an absolute tip-off the seller
believes

I don't get your beef. The price was a mouse click away. It's not like he had
you call him for it. And his price is pretty much average for a good example.
His boat looks and sounds great.
Jax, I'm a broker part time now. I've closed on 8 sailboats in the last 7 weeks
and I know the market. I saw a Westsail sell last season and some of those
boats on Yachtworld are sold. The brokers are lazy about pulling the ads down.
If you can find one like this fellows, with repower and so many mods for
anywhere near the price, snap it up. Westsails in the 30K range tend to have a
LOT of issues. If I had a really nice repowered Westsail I'd ask 45-50 for it
at least. This fellow's boat also has a new oversize tranni and redone
interior. His price is an "asking" price, Jax. A smart buyer doesn't walk away,
even from a high asking price. You never know what's behind it. The asking
price on my C&C 32 was 35.5K. I'm sure glad I kept after it, because I ended up
with her for 16K.
I can't see where bothering this guy, who's done nothing wrong, is helping
anything and I wish him well with his sale. Looks like a damn fine boat and the
repower and bigger tranni are huge items for a serious sailor.

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

who might even remotely be interested in his boat to
work at finding out about it.


Work? Jax, you must be kidding. A mouse click is work? Jax, you want a low
price on a Westsail and this guy doesn't have what you want. Keep looking and
leave him be.

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"Bobsprit" wrote in message
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who might even remotely be interested in his boat to
work at finding out about it.


Work? Jax, you must be kidding. A mouse click is work? Jax, you want a low
price on a Westsail and this guy doesn't have what you want. Keep looking
and
leave him be.

There was one listed for 16k, but it looked like a 2-3 year labor of love or
project depending which way you look at it.

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

There was one listed for 16k, but it looked like a 2-3 year labor of love or
project depending which way you look at it.


Exactly. Good boats usually cost good money. You shouldn't hassle someone
because you think their boat is priced too high. A few years back I saw a
Westsail 32 for mid 30's, but even that boat had issues. Westsails of good
quality don't come along often and some folks will pay to avoid doing all that
work themselves. I've fixed up 3 boats so far and had fun doing it. But on my
next I may just be willing to "overpay" to just have a clean nice boat and go
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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

A ****ing match in a boat for sale group PRICELESS.

Bobsprit wrote:

Your deliberate effort to hide the
price of your boat was noticed by every last person who read your ad. EVERY
LAST PERSON.

Jax, seriously, what are you on about. His website listed the price clearly.
It's a Westsail, not a Catalina. How does it matter, so long as the price is
clearly listed somewhere, which it is?
It's his boat and all prices are "asking" by definition of the seller wants to
make a sale.

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

I don't get your beef. The price was a mouse click away.

I stand by my statement. Professionals NEVER make the prospect work for the
information. In addition, failure to make even the slightest mention of price
is a clear sign the seller believes he is asking an above market price for a
below market boat. It ALWAYS means that.

Going to look at boat advertised such a fashion means you KNOW that when you
get there the boat will have many hidden problems, the boat owner will
"fictionalize" about what has or has not happened to the boat, will
underrepresent the problems and -- most certainly -- tell you his boat is
bargain priced.

The boat will fail a tight survey. Sorta like the used car your neighbor
bought that turns out to have cardboard rocker panels and a differenial packed
with sawdust.

The seller *IS* telling you something when he somehow fails to mention price,
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Professionals NEVER make the prospect work for the
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He's not a professional, Jax.

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

failure to make even the slightest mention of price
is a clear sign the seller believes he is asking an above market price for a
below market boat. It ALWAYS means that.

How does this effect you? It's his boat, his price.

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

Going to look at boat advertised such a fashion means you KNOW that when you
get there the boat will have many hidden problems,

If I followed your logic on this, I'd never have gotten deals on two of my
boats. Asking price is a starting point. I was "asking" for 33K for a 1984 Cal
35 last year. I feel sorry for anyone who was "scared off" by that price
because she went for just 17.5K. Asking price means little.
Meanwhile, why do you haunt this poor fellow if you're not buying his boat?

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

The seller *IS* telling you something when he somehow fails to mention
price,

I looked at a 1982 C&C 38 during the winter with no listed price. The owner
wanted me to see her before discussing it. Based on a few pics he sent, I went
to check her out in Huntington. She was 99% Bristol and his price turned out to
be 45K. Hardly steep for what the boat was. I brokered the boat for him and she
sold by Spring to the 1st couple that looked at her.
Making your rules based on people's ads is pretty silly. Some folks are just
weird about ads and how they write them.

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

Professionals NEVER make the prospect work for the
information.

He's not a professional, Jax.

RB


plainly. And professionals who stay a professional don't try to ask an above
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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

failure to make even the slightest mention of price
is a clear sign the seller believes he is asking an above market price for a
below market boat. It ALWAYS means that.

How does this effect you? It's his boat, his price.

we all lose when charlottans whore the market.



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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

Bob, you misunderstand. The NOT mentioning the price is the red flag. ALWAYS
is.

Going to look at boat advertised such a fashion means you KNOW that when you
get there the boat will have many hidden problems,

If I followed your logic on this, I'd never have gotten deals on two of my
boats. Asking price is a starting point. I was "asking" for 33K for a 1984
Cal
35 last year. I feel sorry for anyone who was "scared off" by that price
because she went for just 17.5K. Asking price means little.
Meanwhile, why do you haunt this poor fellow if you're not buying his boat?

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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

Bob, you have six months professional selling experience, I have thirty years.
If you think you have one exception to the rule, you think you have one
exception to the rule. I stand by my statement.

The seller *IS* telling you something when he somehow fails to mention
price,

I looked at a 1982 C&C 38 during the winter with no listed price. The owner
wanted me to see her before discussing it. Based on a few pics he sent, I
went
to check her out in Huntington. She was 99% Bristol and his price turned out
to
be 45K. Hardly steep for what the boat was. I brokered the boat for him and
she
sold by Spring to the 1st couple that looked at her.
Making your rules based on people's ads is pretty silly. Some folks are just
weird about ads and how they write them.

RB


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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

Bob, you have six months professional selling experience, I have thirty years.


Jax, I've been brokering boats for a bit longer than six months and I've been
doing very well at it.
The bottom line is that you haven't seen the fellow's boat. From his webpage it
looks well above average and is repowered. His asking price is whatever he
cares to make it, and it fits well within other 32s listed online. In fact HALF
of the 20 Westsail 32s on Yachtworld are listed with higher prices. Boats that
are "deal pending" are all higher than his as well. This utterly dismantles
your statements. Furthermore, Jack Horner's price range shows quite a range,
bwteen 30 and 70K. Calling this guy names is just silly. He's selling his boat
at a price some buyers are willing to pay. That's his business. You seem to be
offended that he's not offering you a bargain. Your friend may find that magic
bargain Westsail, but I doubt it will in the league of the better boats on the
market.


RB


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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

The NOT mentioning the price is the red flag. ALWAYS
is.

Sorry, Jax, I found this to NOT always be the case. I've got the commissions to
prove it.

RB


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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

we all lose when charlottans whore the market.

Jax, are you nuts or just having a bad day? You don't know this guy. You've
never seen his boat, so you can only guess at it's worth. Still worse, you're
calling this fellow names now? For what?
I'm out of this debate. I'm showing a Tartan 37 tomorrow for WELL above market
value...because it's worth it.
To the fellow with the Westsail, best of luck to you. You have a very pretty
boat and I hope you get a nice deal when you sell her.

Robert B
C&C 32 City Island, NY


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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

Jax, are you nuts or just having a bad day? You don't know this guy. You've
never seen his boat, so you can only guess at it's worth.

I do know him, through his actions. And I do know his boat, through his
actions.


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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

The NOT mentioning the price is the red flag. ALWAYS
is.

Sorry, Jax, I found this to NOT always be the case. I've got the commissions
to
prove it.

RB

you will learn.


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FS: Westsail 32 in Seattle area
 

Bob, you have six months professional selling experience, I have thirty
years.


Jax, I've been brokering boats for a bit longer than six months and I've been
doing very well at it.

Bob, you have no idea how many times I heard variations of that same statement
over my thirty year career, and every last one who made that statement lasted
less than five years in the business.



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