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Gunner Asch reported Elvis on Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:25:23 -0700 in misc.survivalism : A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L'Engle Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner Blubber by Judy Blume Brave New World by Aldous Huxley Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson Canterbury Tales by Chaucer Carrie by Stephen King Catch-22 by Joseph Heller Christine by Stephen King Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau Cujo by Stephen King Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen Daddy's Roommate by Michael Willhoite Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller Decameron by Boccaccio East of Eden by John Steinbeck Fallen Angels by Walter Myers Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes Forever by Judy Blume Grendel by John Champlin Gardner Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling Have to Go by Robert Munsch Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou Impressions edited by Jack Booth In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak It's Okay if You Don't Love Me by Norma Klein James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl Lady Chatterley's Lover by D.H. Lawrence Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm Lord of the Flies by William Golding Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein Lysistrata by Aristophanes More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher Collier My House by Nikki Giovanni My Friend Flicka by Mary O'Hara Night Chills by Dean Koontz Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest by Ken Kesey One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez Ordinary People by Judith Guest Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women's Health Collective Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz Separate Peace by John Knowles Silas Marner by George Eliot Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain The ******* by John Jakes The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier The Color Purple by Alice Walker The Devil's Alternative by Frederick Forsyth The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks The Living Bible by William C. Bower The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman The Pigman by Paul Zindel The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders The Shining by Stephen King The Witches by Roald Dahl The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder Then Again, Maybe I Won't by Judy Blume To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster Editorial Staff Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween Symbols by Edna Barth I think he SHOULD have read many of them. Almost every title on that list is a modern masterpiece or breakthrough work of importance or both. I can imagine why the right-wing retardos want to ban To Kill a Mockingbird. And the Leftwing Retardos want to ban everything else, particularly those written by Conservatives. Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions against. On the gripping hand, if this is the list I believe it is, it is the one put out by the Librarians as "banned books" when there was some objection to having them available for all children. Unfortunately, too many Librarians seem to be Liberal Art Majors, and consider "discrimination" to be bad, right next to "critical thought" and "age appropriate subjects." Fnord. pyotr -- pyotr filipivich The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes." |
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... snip Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions against. You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian conservatives have sued or petitioned school boards all over the country to ban them from schools. "Laura Mallory, a mother of four from the Atlanta suburb of Loganville, told a Georgia Board of Education officer that the books by British author J.K. Rowling, sought to indoctrinate children as Wiccans, or practitioners of religious witchcraft..." ============================= "And here is dear Ashley, a 9 year old, the typical average age reader of Harry Potter: "I used to believe in what they taught us at Sunday School," said Ashley, conjuring up an ancient spell to summon Cerebus, the three-headed hound of hell. "But the Harry Potter books showed me that magic is real, something I can learn and use right now, and that the Bible is nothing but Boring lies." age 9....what is this world coming to? ============================= "Conservatives Urge Ban on 'Harry Potter' Over Witchcraft, Homosexuality" By Elena Garcia Christian Post Reporter "Roberta Combs, president of the 2.5 million strong Christian Coalition of America, said she was disappointed that Rowling chose to label Albus Dumbledore, the headmaster of fictional Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, as gay. "It's not a good example for our children, who really like the books and the movies. I think it encourages homosexuality," said Combs, who has called for a ban on the seven-book series." ============================== "In Cedarville, Arkansas, the school board restricted access to the Harry Potter books unless a student could produce a signed permission slip from their parents. The board passed the rule because fundamentalist parents complained after "hearing a series of anti-Potter sermons in 2001 by Mark Hodges, pastor of the Uniontown Assembly of God Church and a member of the Cedarville School Board." ============================== It appears from the evidence that you the conservative/liberal views of it backwards. On the gripping hand, if this is the list I believe it is, it is the one put out by the Librarians as "banned books" when there was some objection to having them available for all children. Unfortunately, too many Librarians seem to be Liberal Art Majors, and consider "discrimination" to be bad, right next to "critical thought" and "age appropriate subjects." Fnord. Unfortunately, you seem to be a little nuts. -- Ed Huntress |
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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... snip Unfortunately, you seem to be a little nuts. Just a little? LOL -- John R. Carroll www.machiningsolution.com |
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"John R. Carroll" wrote in message ... Ed Huntress wrote: "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... snip Unfortunately, you seem to be a little nuts. Just a little? LOL I don't know if it's actually nuts, or just an infectous case of winger head-and-ass inversion. Or maybe it's something he shares with strabo: anyone left of center is responsible for everything bad, even the bad things that come from the right. Hmmm...maybe that's just another way of saying head-and-ass inversion. -- Ed Huntress |
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"John R. Carroll" wrote in message ... Ed Huntress wrote: "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... snip Unfortunately, you seem to be a little nuts. Just a little? LOL I don't know if it's actually nuts, or just an infectous case of winger head-and-ass inversion. Or maybe it's something he shares with strabo: anyone left of center is responsible for everything bad, even the bad things that come from the right. Hmmm...maybe that's just another way of saying head-and-ass inversion. Perhaps, but it's still nuts and completely, not just a little. -- John R. Carroll www.machiningsolution.com |
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:39:44 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and supernaturalism. It's the winger fundies that try to ban & burn those. Probably unread (big words, right?) -- Cliff |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in
: "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... snip Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions against. You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian conservatives have sued or petitioned school boards all over the country to ban them from schools. Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for offensive words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among other reasons. I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him being a big proponent of freedom and all. It's merely another legal form of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're burning legally belongs to you. Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom of speech. -- Dan CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d |
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"D Murphy" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... snip Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions against. You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian conservatives have sued or petitioned school boards all over the country to ban them from schools. Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for offensive words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among other reasons. Pfffhht. You're talking about a short-term thing that was out on the fringes. Christian conservatives have been trying to ban books for 200 years. I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him being a big proponent of freedom and all. It's merely another legal form of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're burning legally belongs to you. Cliff is against someone burning his own books? Why? Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom of speech. Ideologues are a plague upon civilization. -- Ed Huntress |
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: "D Murphy" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... snip Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions against. You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian conservatives have sued or petitioned school boards all over the country to ban them from schools. Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for offensive words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among other reasons. Pfffhht. You're talking about a short-term thing that was out on the fringes. Christian conservatives have been trying to ban books for 200 years. Try finding those books in a middle school library then. They went from required reading to banned. As for the length of time they've been at; that's really not the problem is it? I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him being a big proponent of freedom and all. It's merely another legal form of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're burning legally belongs to you. Cliff is against someone burning his own books? Why? During you hiatus he was in a tizzy over some folks burning Harry Potter books. I actually read his link. Turns out they bought them, then lit them on fire. As best as I recall, I got him to say that flag burning is OK but not book burning. Seems like the same thing to me. Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom of speech. Ideologues are a plague upon civilization. Maybe. But they really do test where the lines are drawn and they cause people to think. So it's not all bad. You just can't let them run amok. -- Dan CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d |
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On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:28:17 +0000, D Murphy wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote in : [quoted text muted] Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for offensive words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among other reasons. I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him being a big proponent of freedom and all. Those two sentences do not correlate. It's merely another legal form of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're burning legally belongs to you. Ah, the disclaimer. Are you then suggesting that Cliff is only against book burning one one variety? If so where do you get that impression for he hasn't said or implied any such thing. To the contrary, Cliff, and most of the voices here, have been pretty clear in their unconditional distaste for censorship. If you have something to say then do so directly. Implying ulterior motives, or making **** up like the regular trolls, is beneath you. Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom of speech. On this we can definitely agree. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Bush Doctrine: Privatize Profits, Socialize Losses ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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"D Murphy" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "D Murphy" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... snip Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions against. You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian conservatives have sued or petitioned school boards all over the country to ban them from schools. Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for offensive words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among other reasons. _Of Mice and Men_ contains vulgarity and profanity and has been excluded from school libraries in a few places by religious conservatives for that reason. There was a controversy about the book on those terms in Lynchburg, VA schools, for example (Jerry Falwell's old hangout), but they decided to leave the book in the schools. _Tom Sawyer..._ and _Uncle Tom's Cabin_ both contain the n-word, which has, indeed, caused them to be pulled from a few school shelves. Not from our schools, though. I wasn't aware that religious conservatives found the word acceptable. They do seem to have a problem with _Where's Waldo_ because it depicts a woman's breast. g Pfffhht. You're talking about a short-term thing that was out on the fringes. Christian conservatives have been trying to ban books for 200 years. Try finding those books in a middle school library then. They went from required reading to banned. Really? Do you have this on good authority? I know that my son was assigned _Of Mice and Men_, but I don't remember when. It might have been his freshman year of high school. Those books have all been challenged in many schools, but so has damned near everything else of any value. Someone can be found to challenge school books of almost any type. Overall, I think you'll find that the consistent and insistent objections have come from the right, especially from religious conservatives, who find so much of contemporary culture objectionable. But a challenge doesn't often result in a book being pulled. As for the length of time they've been at; that's really not the problem is it? Well, if the wave of objections from the left didn't last (and I don't think it did; it seemed to reach a high point a decade or more ago, when PC was in full flower), while the objections from the right have been steady and unrelenting, then, yes, I think that is part of the problem. I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him being a big proponent of freedom and all. It's merely another legal form of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're burning legally belongs to you. Cliff is against someone burning his own books? Why? During you hiatus he was in a tizzy over some folks burning Harry Potter books. I actually read his link. Turns out they bought them, then lit them on fire. As best as I recall, I got him to say that flag burning is OK but not book burning. Seems like the same thing to me. In principle, I'd agree. If someone wants to burn their own books for some symbolic reason, they're probably fools, but that's their prerogative. Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom of speech. Ideologues are a plague upon civilization. Maybe. But they really do test where the lines are drawn and they cause people to think. So it's not all bad. You just can't let them run amok. Right. They're OK to define the endpoints of an issue. That's the extent of their usefulness. -- Ed Huntress |
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Murphy reported Elvis on 24 Sep 2008 02:28:17 GMT in misc.survivalism : "Ed Huntress" wrote "pyotr filipivich" wrote: Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions against. You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian conservatives have sued or petitioned school boards all over the country to ban them from schools. Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for offensive words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among other reasons. I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him being a big proponent of freedom and all. It's merely another legal form of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're burning legally belongs to you. It's my book, I'll treat it as I wish. Some books get "most favored" status, no dog eared corners, no writing in the margins, never get loaned out. Others, get notes & commentary. Some just come in, get read a few times, and then go out. Others, are so bad, that as a service to humanity, I burn them. I'd throw them away, but I fear that someone might pull them from the trash, and read it. Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom of speech. It really comes down to a balance between "Freedom" and "Equality". The more Free, the less Equal, and vice versa. Years ago, I came across a 'different' political spectrum, which explains things a bit better, defining "left/right" as the degree of governmental control in this balance.. I.e. going "left" increases government control of the individual, making more people "equal", till at the extreme you have a hive mentality, where each individual unit is genetically programmed to perform a task, and all are equal (for certain definitions of "equal". The newspeak application is left as an exercise for the reader. Going "right" you have more individual autonomy, more "freedom", until (again) at the extreme, is the person who is so "free" they can no longer communicate with other persons. This is known as "insanity" - but it is an example of extreme individual freedom. Thus we can see that it is possible to develop a kind of political taxonomy which recognizes that The People's Progressive Revolutionary Vanguard and the Intentional Anarchist Coop for Peace and Freedom are on the "same side" (wanting to run your life "for your own good" or "for the sake of the Children") while the Reactionary Imperialists Mandarins is really "the good guys" because they just want to have nice uniforms for government functionaries, and really don't want to be bothered with coming into the office, leaving you to 'muddle through' with your own pathetic lives. Rotate that 90 degrees and "up" become more individual autonomy but less "equality"; "down" becomes less individual autonomy - but more Equality. But that dynamic between "equality" and "freedom" has been fundamental to the political and social flux since oh, the end of the Persian Empire. tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich The cliche is that history rarely repeats herself. Usually she just lets fly with a frying pan and yells "Why weren't you listening the first time!?" |
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On 24 Sep 2008 03:20:55 GMT, D Murphy wrote:
"Ed Huntress" wrote in : "D Murphy" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... snip Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions against. You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian conservatives have sued or petitioned school boards all over the country to ban them from schools. Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for offensive words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among other reasons. Pfffhht. You're talking about a short-term thing that was out on the fringes. Christian conservatives have been trying to ban books for 200 years. Try finding those books in a middle school library then. I guess you've never looked though the big words may be above the vocabulary level of wingers in "middle school". They went from required reading to banned. When were they required reading? And what school library would have enough copies for all the students? As for the length of time they've been at; that's really not the problem is it? They persist. I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him being a big proponent of freedom and all. It's merely another legal form of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're burning legally belongs to you. Cliff is against someone burning his own books? Why? During you hiatus he was in a tizzy over some folks burning Harry Potter books. I actually read his link. Turns out they bought them, then lit them on fire. They were promoting sales of the books? As best as I recall, I got him to say that flag burning is OK but not book burning. Seems like the same thing to me. You seem confused. Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom of speech. Ideologues are a plague upon civilization. Maybe. But they really do test where the lines are drawn and they cause people to think. Not wingers. So it's not all bad. You just can't let them run amok. Like gumme, the cheese, .... -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:51:23 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote: Years ago, I came across a 'different' political spectrum, which explains things a bit better, defining "left/right" as the degree of governmental control in this balance.. I.e. going "left" increases government control of the individual, making more people "equal", till at the extreme you have a hive mentality, where each individual unit is genetically programmed to perform a task, and all are equal (for certain definitions of "equal". The newspeak application is left as an exercise for the reader. Going "right" you have more individual autonomy, more "freedom", until (again) at the extreme, is the person who is so "free" they can no longer communicate with other persons. This is known as "insanity" - but it is an example of extreme individual freedom. Hence all the right wing dictatorships supported by wingers while liberal democracies get overthrown or invaded. -- Cliff |
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: On 24 Sep 2008 03:20:55 GMT, D Murphy wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "D Murphy" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... snip Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions against. You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian conservatives have sued or petitioned school boards all over the country to ban them from schools. Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for offensive words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among other reasons. Pfffhht. You're talking about a short-term thing that was out on the fringes. Christian conservatives have been trying to ban books for 200 years. Try finding those books in a middle school library then. I guess you've never looked though the big words may be above the vocabulary level of wingers in "middle school". They went from required reading to banned. When were they required reading? When I went to school. And what school library would have enough copies for all the students? I don't know what kind of dump you went to, but where I went to school the library didn't keep the books for class. They had a copy or two. Books that were required reading were handed out by the teacher. I read all three of those books plus a good many other throughout my years in middle school. As for the length of time they've been at; that's really not the problem is it? They persist. It's their right. I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him being a big proponent of freedom and all. It's merely another legal form of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're burning legally belongs to you. Cliff is against someone burning his own books? Why? During you hiatus he was in a tizzy over some folks burning Harry Potter books. I actually read his link. Turns out they bought them, then lit them on fire. They were promoting sales of the books? As best as I recall, I got him to say that flag burning is OK but not book burning. Seems like the same thing to me. You seem confused. Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom of speech. Ideologues are a plague upon civilization. Maybe. But they really do test where the lines are drawn and they cause people to think. Not wingers. So it's not all bad. You just can't let them run amok. Like gumme, the cheese, .... You're drooling. -- Dan CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d |
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On 1 Oct 2008 02:04:45 GMT, D Murphy wrote:
Cliff wrote in : On 24 Sep 2008 03:20:55 GMT, D Murphy wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "D Murphy" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... snip Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions against. You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian conservatives have sued or petitioned school boards all over the country to ban them from schools. Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for offensive words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among other reasons. Pfffhht. You're talking about a short-term thing that was out on the fringes. Christian conservatives have been trying to ban books for 200 years. Try finding those books in a middle school library then. I guess you've never looked though the big words may be above the vocabulary level of wingers in "middle school". They went from required reading to banned. When were they required reading? When I went to school. And now you say that they are banned? And what school library would have enough copies for all the students? I don't know what kind of dump you went to, Second best pubic school system in the State followed by a top ranked (#3 in it's national group) college. None of them had enough copies of any single book for all in any class. Nor should they have. but where I went to school the library didn't keep the books for class. They had a copy or two. Books that were required reading were handed out by the teacher. I read all three of those books plus a good many other throughout my years in middle school. And the teacher handed out copies to all the students? As for the length of time they've been at; that's really not the problem is it? They persist. It's their right. To ban books? I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him being a big proponent of freedom and all. It's merely another legal form of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're burning legally belongs to you. Cliff is against someone burning his own books? Why? During you hiatus he was in a tizzy over some folks burning Harry Potter books. I actually read his link. Turns out they bought them, then lit them on fire. They were promoting sales of the books? As best as I recall, I got him to say that flag burning is OK but not book burning. Seems like the same thing to me. You seem confused. Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom of speech. Ideologues are a plague upon civilization. Maybe. But they really do test where the lines are drawn and they cause people to think. Not wingers. So it's not all bad. You just can't let them run amok. Like gummer, the cheese, .... You're drooling. http://www.sterlingtimes.co.uk/sambo.htm -- Cliff |
Banning Books
Cliff wrote in
: On 1 Oct 2008 02:04:45 GMT, D Murphy wrote: Cliff wrote in m: On 24 Sep 2008 03:20:55 GMT, D Murphy wrote: "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "D Murphy" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in : "pyotr filipivich" wrote in message ... snip Its a wonder that the lefties haven't attempted to ban the Harry Potter books, chock full as they are with mysticism and supernaturalism. Not to mention the rampant Christian symbolism, the definitive expectation of the difference between Good and Evil, and that you ought to not merely find Evil distasteful, but something worth combating, actively combating, not just passing resolutions against. You're a little slow on the draw there, pyotr. Christian conservatives have sued or petitioned school boards all over the country to ban them from schools. Lest you forget Ed there have been plenty of politically correct left wingers pushing to ban books like "Of Mice and Men", "Adventures of Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn", and "Uncle Tom's Cabin" for offensive words, ideas, and pedaling a "softer view of slavery" among other reasons. Pfffhht. You're talking about a short-term thing that was out on the fringes. Christian conservatives have been trying to ban books for 200 years. Try finding those books in a middle school library then. I guess you've never looked though the big words may be above the vocabulary level of wingers in "middle school". They went from required reading to banned. When were they required reading? When I went to school. And now you say that they are banned? I take it that teaching reading comprehension wasn't high on the list of priorities at your school? And what school library would have enough copies for all the students? I don't know what kind of dump you went to, Second best pubic school system in the State followed by a top ranked (#3 in it's national group) college. None of them had enough copies of any single book for all in any class. Nor should they have. Sad really. but where I went to school the library didn't keep the books for class. They had a copy or two. Books that were required reading were handed out by the teacher. I read all three of those books plus a good many other throughout my years in middle school. And the teacher handed out copies to all the students? Yes. As for the length of time they've been at; that's really not the problem is it? They persist. It's their right. To ban books? To speak their mind. I also find it hypocritical that Cliff is against burning books. Him being a big proponent of freedom and all. It's merely another legal form of freedom of speech AFAICT. Just so long as the book you're burning legally belongs to you. Cliff is against someone burning his own books? Why? During you hiatus he was in a tizzy over some folks burning Harry Potter books. I actually read his link. Turns out they bought them, then lit them on fire. They were promoting sales of the books? As best as I recall, I got him to say that flag burning is OK but not book burning. Seems like the same thing to me. You seem confused. Neither the far left or the far right has much tolerance for freedom of speech. Ideologues are a plague upon civilization. Maybe. But they really do test where the lines are drawn and they cause people to think. Not wingers. So it's not all bad. You just can't let them run amok. Like gummer, the cheese, .... You're drooling. http://www.sterlingtimes.co.uk/sambo.htm Still 11 years old at heart I see. Maybe if they had more books... -- Dan CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d |
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