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John H[_7_] September 9th 08 06:55 PM

Boat Buying using MADM
 
One technique for multiple attribute decision making is to develop a
weighted matrix listing the criteria used for the decision compared to the
objects being considered. We'll use three boats as an example, Boat Alpha,
Boat Bravo, and Boat Charlie.

We must first identify the criteria which are important to us. For this
example, I've chosen: Looks, Speed, Cost, and Length

First we will determine the relative value of each criterion as compared to
each other. I'll let Looks have a 1.0 value. Then I have to ask myself, is
speed more or less important than looks. Let's say speed is half again as
important as looks, then speed would get a value of 1.5. Each of the
criteria are so weighted. Cost may be twice as important as looks, so it
would get weighted with a 2.0. Length isn't as important as looks, so it
gets a 0.8

Now we have to weight each boat in terms of the criteria. We'll use a
number from 1 to 10 to weight each. Alpha is pretty ugly. Charlie is
gorgeous. Alpha is the fastest, but not quite as fast as I'd like. Charlie
is a dog. Bravo is the least costly, with Alpha not far behind. Charlie is
quite expensive. Length is easy. I want a long boat, and Bravo is the
longest. Alpha is the shortest.

Alpha Bravo Charlie
Looks 4 6 10
Speed 8 5 3
Cost 7 9 2
Length 3 8 5

Now I apply the weight of the criteria to the score of each boat, and then
get the total for each boat.

Alpha Bravo Charlie
Looks (1.0) 4 6 10
Speed(1.5) 6 7.5 4.5
Cost (2.0) 14 18 4
Length(0.8) 2.4 6.4 4.0

Totals 26.4 37.9 22.5

And the winner is Charlie!

Of course, for an actual selection many more criteria would be involved.
And, the technique can be much more specific by using pairwise comparisons
for each of the criteria. I used a simple comparison of each criterion to
speed, but it could be that comparing length to cost, length should not be
less than half as important as cost. When done with a computer program, the
results can be used to show 'consistency' (or lack thereof) in the weight
of each criteria.

This technique was used, and may still be, as a way to evaluate officers
for selection to promotion or command positions in the Army.

[email protected] September 9th 08 07:17 PM

Boat Buying using MADM
 
On Sep 9, 1:55*pm, John H wrote:
One technique for multiple attribute decision making is to develop a
weighted matrix listing the criteria used for the decision compared to the
objects being considered. We'll use three boats as an example, Boat Alpha,
Boat Bravo, and Boat Charlie.

We must first identify the criteria which are important to us. For this
example, I've chosen: Looks, Speed, Cost, and Length

First we will determine the relative value of each criterion as compared to
each other. I'll let Looks have a 1.0 value. Then I have to ask myself, is
speed more or less important than looks. Let's say speed is half again as
important as looks, then speed would get a value of 1.5. Each of the
criteria are so weighted. Cost may be twice as important as looks, so it
would get weighted with a 2.0. Length isn't as important as looks, so it
gets a 0.8

Now we have to weight each boat in terms of the criteria. We'll use a
number from 1 to 10 to weight each. Alpha is pretty ugly. Charlie is
gorgeous. Alpha is the fastest, but not quite as fast as I'd like. Charlie
is a dog. Bravo is the least costly, with Alpha not far behind. Charlie is
quite expensive. Length is easy. I want a long boat, and Bravo is the
longest. Alpha is the shortest.

* * * * * * * * * *Alpha * * * * * *Bravo * * * * * * *Charlie
Looks * * * * * 4 * * * * * * * * * * 6 * * * * * * * * * * 10
Speed * * * * *8 * * * * * * * * * * 5 * * * * * * * * * * * 3
Cost * * * * * * 7 * * * * * * * * * * 9 * * * * * * * * * * * 2
Length * * * * 3 * * * * * * * * * * 8 * * * * * * * * * * * 5

Now I apply the weight of the criteria to the score of each boat, and then
get the total for each boat.

* * * * * * * * * * * * Alpha * * * * * * *Bravo * * * * * * Charlie
Looks (1.0) * * * * 4 * * * * * * * * * * * *6 * * * * * * * * * 10
Speed(1.5) * * * * 6 * * * * * * * * * * * *7.5 * * * * * * * * *4.5
Cost * (2.0) * * * *14 * * * * * * * * * * *18 * * * * * * * * * *4
Length(0.8) * * * * *2.4 * * * * * * * * * 6.4 * * * * * * * * * 4.0

Totals * * * * * * * * 26.4 * * * * * * * * *37.9 * * * * * * * * 22.5

And the winner is Charlie!

Of course, for an actual selection many more criteria would be involved.
And, the technique can be much more specific by using pairwise comparisons
for each of the criteria. I used a simple comparison of each criterion to
speed, but it could be that comparing length to cost, length should not be
less than half as important as cost. When done with a computer program, the
results can be used to show 'consistency' (or lack thereof) in the weight
of each criteria.

This technique was used, and may still be, as a way to evaluate officers
for selection to promotion or command positions in the Army.


Lemme guess, you got promoted on looks versus speed, right?!!!

John H[_7_] September 9th 08 08:25 PM

Boat Buying using MADM
 
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:17:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 9, 1:55*pm, John H wrote:
One technique for multiple attribute decision making is to develop a
weighted matrix listing the criteria used for the decision compared to the
objects being considered. We'll use three boats as an example, Boat Alpha,
Boat Bravo, and Boat Charlie.

We must first identify the criteria which are important to us. For this
example, I've chosen: Looks, Speed, Cost, and Length

First we will determine the relative value of each criterion as compared to
each other. I'll let Looks have a 1.0 value. Then I have to ask myself, is
speed more or less important than looks. Let's say speed is half again as
important as looks, then speed would get a value of 1.5. Each of the
criteria are so weighted. Cost may be twice as important as looks, so it
would get weighted with a 2.0. Length isn't as important as looks, so it
gets a 0.8

Now we have to weight each boat in terms of the criteria. We'll use a
number from 1 to 10 to weight each. Alpha is pretty ugly. Charlie is
gorgeous. Alpha is the fastest, but not quite as fast as I'd like. Charlie
is a dog. Bravo is the least costly, with Alpha not far behind. Charlie is
quite expensive. Length is easy. I want a long boat, and Bravo is the
longest. Alpha is the shortest.

* * * * * * * * * *Alpha * * * * * *Bravo * * * * * * *Charlie
Looks * * * * * 4 * * * * * * * * * * 6 * * * * * * * * * * 10
Speed * * * * *8 * * * * * * * * * * 5 * * * * * * * * * * * 3
Cost * * * * * * 7 * * * * * * * * * * 9 * * * * * * * * * * * 2
Length * * * * 3 * * * * * * * * * * 8 * * * * * * * * * * * 5

Now I apply the weight of the criteria to the score of each boat, and then
get the total for each boat.

* * * * * * * * * * * * Alpha * * * * * * *Bravo * * * * * * Charlie
Looks (1.0) * * * * 4 * * * * * * * * * * * *6 * * * * * * * * * 10
Speed(1.5) * * * * 6 * * * * * * * * * * * *7.5 * * * * * * * * *4.5
Cost * (2.0) * * * *14 * * * * * * * * * * *18 * * * * * * * * * *4
Length(0.8) * * * * *2.4 * * * * * * * * * 6.4 * * * * * * * * * 4.0

Totals * * * * * * * * 26.4 * * * * * * * * *37.9 * * * * * * * * 22.5

And the winner is Charlie!

Of course, for an actual selection many more criteria would be involved.
And, the technique can be much more specific by using pairwise comparisons
for each of the criteria. I used a simple comparison of each criterion to
speed, but it could be that comparing length to cost, length should not be
less than half as important as cost. When done with a computer program, the
results can be used to show 'consistency' (or lack thereof) in the weight
of each criteria.

This technique was used, and may still be, as a way to evaluate officers
for selection to promotion or command positions in the Army.


Lemme guess, you got promoted on looks versus speed, right?!!!


Hey, when you're investing many thousands, spending a couple hours doing
some analysis can pay off in a big way.

It does take time, but only because of the thinking involved.

jim[_7_] September 9th 08 08:36 PM

Boat Buying using MADM
 
John H wrote:
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:17:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 9, 1:55 pm, John H wrote:
One technique for multiple attribute decision making is to develop a
weighted matrix listing the criteria used for the decision compared to the
objects being considered. We'll use three boats as an example, Boat Alpha,
Boat Bravo, and Boat Charlie.

We must first identify the criteria which are important to us. For this
example, I've chosen: Looks, Speed, Cost, and Length

First we will determine the relative value of each criterion as compared to
each other. I'll let Looks have a 1.0 value. Then I have to ask myself, is
speed more or less important than looks. Let's say speed is half again as
important as looks, then speed would get a value of 1.5. Each of the
criteria are so weighted. Cost may be twice as important as looks, so it
would get weighted with a 2.0. Length isn't as important as looks, so it
gets a 0.8

Now we have to weight each boat in terms of the criteria. We'll use a
number from 1 to 10 to weight each. Alpha is pretty ugly. Charlie is
gorgeous. Alpha is the fastest, but not quite as fast as I'd like. Charlie
is a dog. Bravo is the least costly, with Alpha not far behind. Charlie is
quite expensive. Length is easy. I want a long boat, and Bravo is the
longest. Alpha is the shortest.

Alpha Bravo Charlie
Looks 4 6 10
Speed 8 5 3
Cost 7 9 2
Length 3 8 5

Now I apply the weight of the criteria to the score of each boat, and then
get the total for each boat.

Alpha Bravo Charlie
Looks (1.0) 4 6 10
Speed(1.5) 6 7.5 4.5
Cost (2.0) 14 18 4
Length(0.8) 2.4 6.4 4.0

Totals 26.4 37.9 22.5

And the winner is Charlie!

Of course, for an actual selection many more criteria would be involved.
And, the technique can be much more specific by using pairwise comparisons
for each of the criteria. I used a simple comparison of each criterion to
speed, but it could be that comparing length to cost, length should not be
less than half as important as cost. When done with a computer program, the
results can be used to show 'consistency' (or lack thereof) in the weight
of each criteria.

This technique was used, and may still be, as a way to evaluate officers
for selection to promotion or command positions in the Army.

Lemme guess, you got promoted on looks versus speed, right?!!!


Hey, when you're investing many thousands, spending a couple hours doing
some analysis can pay off in a big way.

It does take time, but only because of the thinking involved.


Take a couple minutes to check your math.

HK September 9th 08 08:40 PM

OT Boat Buying using MADM
 
jim wrote:
John H wrote:
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:17:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 9, 1:55 pm, John H wrote:
One technique for multiple attribute decision making is to develop a
weighted matrix listing the criteria used for the decision compared
to the
objects being considered. We'll use three boats as an example, Boat
Alpha,
Boat Bravo, and Boat Charlie.

We must first identify the criteria which are important to us. For this
example, I've chosen: Looks, Speed, Cost, and Length

First we will determine the relative value of each criterion as
compared to
each other. I'll let Looks have a 1.0 value. Then I have to ask
myself, is
speed more or less important than looks. Let's say speed is half
again as
important as looks, then speed would get a value of 1.5. Each of the
criteria are so weighted. Cost may be twice as important as looks,
so it
would get weighted with a 2.0. Length isn't as important as looks,
so it
gets a 0.8

Now we have to weight each boat in terms of the criteria. We'll use a
number from 1 to 10 to weight each. Alpha is pretty ugly. Charlie is
gorgeous. Alpha is the fastest, but not quite as fast as I'd like.
Charlie
is a dog. Bravo is the least costly, with Alpha not far behind.
Charlie is
quite expensive. Length is easy. I want a long boat, and Bravo is the
longest. Alpha is the shortest.

Alpha Bravo Charlie
Looks 4 6 10
Speed 8 5 3
Cost 7 9 2
Length 3 8 5

Now I apply the weight of the criteria to the score of each boat,
and then
get the total for each boat.

Alpha Bravo Charlie
Looks (1.0) 4 6 10
Speed(1.5) 6 7.5 4.5
Cost (2.0) 14 18 4
Length(0.8) 2.4 6.4 4.0

Totals 26.4 37.9 22.5

And the winner is Charlie!

Of course, for an actual selection many more criteria would be
involved.
And, the technique can be much more specific by using pairwise
comparisons
for each of the criteria. I used a simple comparison of each
criterion to
speed, but it could be that comparing length to cost, length should
not be
less than half as important as cost. When done with a computer
program, the
results can be used to show 'consistency' (or lack thereof) in the
weight
of each criteria.

This technique was used, and may still be, as a way to evaluate
officers
for selection to promotion or command positions in the Army.
Lemme guess, you got promoted on looks versus speed, right?!!!


Hey, when you're investing many thousands, spending a couple hours doing
some analysis can pay off in a big way.

It does take time, but only because of the thinking involved.


Take a couple minutes to check your math.



John H[_7_] September 9th 08 08:41 PM

Boat Buying using MADM
 
On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:36:57 -0400, jim wrote:

John H wrote:
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:17:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sep 9, 1:55 pm, John H wrote:
One technique for multiple attribute decision making is to develop a
weighted matrix listing the criteria used for the decision compared to the
objects being considered. We'll use three boats as an example, Boat Alpha,
Boat Bravo, and Boat Charlie.

We must first identify the criteria which are important to us. For this
example, I've chosen: Looks, Speed, Cost, and Length

First we will determine the relative value of each criterion as compared to
each other. I'll let Looks have a 1.0 value. Then I have to ask myself, is
speed more or less important than looks. Let's say speed is half again as
important as looks, then speed would get a value of 1.5. Each of the
criteria are so weighted. Cost may be twice as important as looks, so it
would get weighted with a 2.0. Length isn't as important as looks, so it
gets a 0.8

Now we have to weight each boat in terms of the criteria. We'll use a
number from 1 to 10 to weight each. Alpha is pretty ugly. Charlie is
gorgeous. Alpha is the fastest, but not quite as fast as I'd like. Charlie
is a dog. Bravo is the least costly, with Alpha not far behind. Charlie is
quite expensive. Length is easy. I want a long boat, and Bravo is the
longest. Alpha is the shortest.

Alpha Bravo Charlie
Looks 4 6 10
Speed 8 5 3
Cost 7 9 2
Length 3 8 5

Now I apply the weight of the criteria to the score of each boat, and then
get the total for each boat.

Alpha Bravo Charlie
Looks (1.0) 4 6 10
Speed(1.5) 6 7.5 4.5
Cost (2.0) 14 18 4
Length(0.8) 2.4 6.4 4.0

Totals 26.4 37.9 22.5

And the winner is Charlie!

Of course, for an actual selection many more criteria would be involved.
And, the technique can be much more specific by using pairwise comparisons
for each of the criteria. I used a simple comparison of each criterion to
speed, but it could be that comparing length to cost, length should not be
less than half as important as cost. When done with a computer program, the
results can be used to show 'consistency' (or lack thereof) in the weight
of each criteria.

This technique was used, and may still be, as a way to evaluate officers
for selection to promotion or command positions in the Army.
Lemme guess, you got promoted on looks versus speed, right?!!!


Hey, when you're investing many thousands, spending a couple hours doing
some analysis can pay off in a big way.

It does take time, but only because of the thinking involved.


Take a couple minutes to check your math.


Nah, the math's not important. I just bought the fastest boat!

Wayne.B September 9th 08 08:49 PM

Boat Buying using MADM
 
On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:25:45 -0400, John H wrote:

Hey, when you're investing many thousands, spending a couple hours doing
some analysis can pay off in a big way.

It does take time, but only because of the thinking involved.


Anything that encourages an assesment of your real needs and
priorities is a good thing. When we went looking for our "retirement"
boat we down rated speed since presumably we would have more time
available for cruising. We put a high premium on
redundancy/reliability because we had many prior experiences with
plans being disrupted because of mechanical and electrical issues.
Therefore we wanted a boat with twin engines, twin generators, dual
nav/helm stations, etc. We also wanted a boat with good fuel range
and water capacity so that we could make long passages to the
boondocks and be able to stay there for a while. Then the admiral
threw a curve ball into the mix. She wanted a boat big enough for
grand children and their parents. Of course all of the boat brokers
would ask how many grandchildren we had. The answer was, and is, zero
- but no matter to the admiral. The extra cabins are useful for
storage of course.

And *that* is how you end up with a 50 footer that weighs about 40
tons fully loaded. :-)

The redundant critical systems have paid off many times over,
paticularly with the generators which get worked a lot.


John H[_7_] September 9th 08 08:58 PM

Boat Buying using MADM
 
On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:49:18 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:25:45 -0400, John H wrote:

Hey, when you're investing many thousands, spending a couple hours doing
some analysis can pay off in a big way.

It does take time, but only because of the thinking involved.


Anything that encourages an assesment of your real needs and
priorities is a good thing. When we went looking for our "retirement"
boat we down rated speed since presumably we would have more time
available for cruising. We put a high premium on
redundancy/reliability because we had many prior experiences with
plans being disrupted because of mechanical and electrical issues.
Therefore we wanted a boat with twin engines, twin generators, dual
nav/helm stations, etc. We also wanted a boat with good fuel range
and water capacity so that we could make long passages to the
boondocks and be able to stay there for a while. Then the admiral
threw a curve ball into the mix. She wanted a boat big enough for
grand children and their parents. Of course all of the boat brokers
would ask how many grandchildren we had. The answer was, and is, zero
- but no matter to the admiral. The extra cabins are useful for
storage of course.

And *that* is how you end up with a 50 footer that weighs about 40
tons fully loaded. :-)

The redundant critical systems have paid off many times over,
paticularly with the generators which get worked a lot.


Well, when the other gender gets involved, some of the objective analysis
gets shoved aside by subjective desires. It would be interesting to know
all the criteria you considered and how you weighted them. You undoubtedly
did some mental weighting, but seeing it on paper would be interesting.



[email protected] September 9th 08 09:21 PM

Boat Buying using MADM
 
On Sep 9, 3:25*pm, John H wrote:
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:17:13 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Sep 9, 1:55*pm, John H wrote:
One technique for multiple attribute decision making is to develop a
weighted matrix listing the criteria used for the decision compared to the
objects being considered. We'll use three boats as an example, Boat Alpha,
Boat Bravo, and Boat Charlie.


We must first identify the criteria which are important to us. For this
example, I've chosen: Looks, Speed, Cost, and Length


First we will determine the relative value of each criterion as compared to
each other. I'll let Looks have a 1.0 value. Then I have to ask myself, is
speed more or less important than looks. Let's say speed is half again as
important as looks, then speed would get a value of 1.5. Each of the
criteria are so weighted. Cost may be twice as important as looks, so it
would get weighted with a 2.0. Length isn't as important as looks, so it
gets a 0.8


Now we have to weight each boat in terms of the criteria. We'll use a
number from 1 to 10 to weight each. Alpha is pretty ugly. Charlie is
gorgeous. Alpha is the fastest, but not quite as fast as I'd like. Charlie
is a dog. Bravo is the least costly, with Alpha not far behind. Charlie is
quite expensive. Length is easy. I want a long boat, and Bravo is the
longest. Alpha is the shortest.


* * * * * * * * * *Alpha * * * * * *Bravo * * * * * * *Charlie
Looks * * * * * 4 * * * * * * * * * * 6 * * * * * * * * * * 10
Speed * * * * *8 * * * * * * * * * * 5 * * * * * * * * * * * 3
Cost * * * * * * 7 * * * * * * * * * * 9 * * * * * * * * * * * 2
Length * * * * 3 * * * * * * * * * * 8 * * * * * * * * * * * 5


Now I apply the weight of the criteria to the score of each boat, and then
get the total for each boat.


* * * * * * * * * * * * Alpha * * * * * * *Bravo * * * * * * Charlie
Looks (1.0) * * * * 4 * * * * * * * * * * * *6 * * * * * * * * * 10
Speed(1.5) * * * * 6 * * * * * * * * * * * *7.5 * * * * * * * * *4.5
Cost * (2.0) * * * *14 * * * * * * * * * * *18 * * * * * * * * * *4
Length(0.8) * * * * *2.4 * * * * * * * * * 6.4 * * * * * * * * * 4.0


Totals * * * * * * * * 26.4 * * * * * * * * *37.9 * * * * * * * * 22.5


And the winner is Charlie!


Of course, for an actual selection many more criteria would be involved.
And, the technique can be much more specific by using pairwise comparisons
for each of the criteria. I used a simple comparison of each criterion to
speed, but it could be that comparing length to cost, length should not be
less than half as important as cost. When done with a computer program, the
results can be used to show 'consistency' (or lack thereof) in the weight
of each criteria.


This technique was used, and may still be, as a way to evaluate officers
for selection to promotion or command positions in the Army.


Lemme guess, you got promoted on looks versus speed, right?!!!


Hey, when you're investing many thousands, spending a couple hours doing
some analysis can pay off in a big way.

It does take time, but only because of the thinking involved.- Hide quoted text -

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Hey, John, it was a joke, you ain't pretty, neither!!!!!!

Don White September 9th 08 09:41 PM

Boat Buying using MADM
 

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Hey, John, it was a joke, you ain't pretty, neither!!!!!!

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