Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

http://www.courant.com/news/politics...,2934547.story

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:30:20 -0400, BAR wrote:

http://www.courant.com/news/politics...,2934547.story

I guess you are too young to remember how the draft worked in that
era. If you were enrolled as a full time student, you got that
deferment unless you requested NOT to get it. People also got defrred
for all sorts of other reasons. If you were an only child, I think
that may have been grounds for a deferment. Then there was the lottery
system. Many people got high lottery numbers and were never called.
Some rich and powerful folks could get their kids into the Air Force
reserve, guaranteeing they would never be shipped to Viet Nam. Heck,
some of them didn't even complete THAT alternative service, but were
never prosecuted.

If you are depending on that to be a "problem" for Biden, you are
really out of luck in a very big way. It's a complete non-starter.
Rush Limbaugh bellowing about it as he eats more pills isn't going to
make that into anything.

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:30:20 -0400, BAR wrote:

http://www.courant.com/news/politics...,2934547.story

I guess you are too young to remember how the draft worked in that
era. If you were enrolled as a full time student, you got that
deferment unless you requested NOT to get it. People also got defrred
for all sorts of other reasons. If you were an only child, I think
that may have been grounds for a deferment. Then there was the lottery
system. Many people got high lottery numbers and were never called.
Some rich and powerful folks could get their kids into the Air Force
reserve, guaranteeing they would never be shipped to Viet Nam. Heck,
some of them didn't even complete THAT alternative service, but were
never prosecuted.

If you are depending on that to be a "problem" for Biden, you are
really out of luck in a very big way. It's a complete non-starter.
Rush Limbaugh bellowing about it as he eats more pills isn't going to
make that into anything.



Bertie (BAR) barely got out of high school, if he even got that far, and
then enlisted after the draft was a distant memory.

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:38:50 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:52:17 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:30:20 -0400, BAR wrote:

http://www.courant.com/news/politics...,2934547.story

I guess you are too young to remember how the draft worked in that
era. If you were enrolled as a full time student, you got that
deferment unless you requested NOT to get it. People also got defrred
for all sorts of other reasons. If you were an only child, I think
that may have been grounds for a deferment. Then there was the lottery
system. Many people got high lottery numbers and were never called.
Some rich and powerful folks could get their kids into the Air Force
reserve, guaranteeing they would never be shipped to Viet Nam. Heck,
some of them didn't even complete THAT alternative service, but were
never prosecuted.

If you are depending on that to be a "problem" for Biden, you are
really out of luck in a very big way. It's a complete non-starter.
Rush Limbaugh bellowing about it as he eats more pills isn't going to
make that into anything.


I don't think it was the II-S, even though that is what we crucify
Cheney and the rest of the "chicken hawks" over. I bet they question
the asthma. He must of got over it. He seems plenty long winded now.

Excellent point (-:

--Vic

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:30:20 -0400, BAR wrote:

http://www.courant.com/news/politics...,2934547.story

I guess you are too young to remember how the draft worked in that
era. If you were enrolled as a full time student, you got that
deferment unless you requested NOT to get it. People also got defrred
for all sorts of other reasons. If you were an only child, I think
that may have been grounds for a deferment. Then there was the lottery
system. Many people got high lottery numbers and were never called.
Some rich and powerful folks could get their kids into the Air Force
reserve, guaranteeing they would never be shipped to Viet Nam. Heck,
some of them didn't even complete THAT alternative service, but were
never prosecuted.

If you are depending on that to be a "problem" for Biden, you are
really out of luck in a very big way. It's a complete non-starter.
Rush Limbaugh bellowing about it as he eats more pills isn't going to
make that into anything.


So what was all of that oral effluent about Chenney?

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:38:50 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:52:17 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:30:20 -0400, BAR wrote:

http://www.courant.com/news/politics...,2934547.story
I guess you are too young to remember how the draft worked in that
era. If you were enrolled as a full time student, you got that
deferment unless you requested NOT to get it. People also got defrred
for all sorts of other reasons. If you were an only child, I think
that may have been grounds for a deferment. Then there was the lottery
system. Many people got high lottery numbers and were never called.
Some rich and powerful folks could get their kids into the Air Force
reserve, guaranteeing they would never be shipped to Viet Nam. Heck,
some of them didn't even complete THAT alternative service, but were
never prosecuted.

If you are depending on that to be a "problem" for Biden, you are
really out of luck in a very big way. It's a complete non-starter.
Rush Limbaugh bellowing about it as he eats more pills isn't going to
make that into anything.

I don't think it was the II-S, even though that is what we crucify
Cheney and the rest of the "chicken hawks" over. I bet they question
the asthma. He must of got over it. He seems plenty long winded now.

Excellent point (-:

--Vic


No it isn't. Asthma was a disqualifier, and for many asthmatics, the
ailment is one that in the majority of cases, "goes away" as one emerges
from childhood-teenhood into adulthood.

On the other hand, McCain's military service is an non-qualifier, except
for those who think it has some meaning 35 years after the fact.

What is important is McCain's health. I wonder what the longevity tables
say about a 72-year-old man who has had four bouts of cancer? My guess
is the odds are against him completing one term.

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..


What is important is McCain's health. I wonder what the longevity tables
say about a 72-year-old man who has had four bouts of cancer? My guess is
the odds are against him completing one term.


McCain's doctor for the past 16 years, an internal medicine specialist at
the Mayo Clinic in Arizona, disagrees.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...t_cancer_free/


Eisboch

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

What is important is McCain's health. I wonder what the longevity tables
say about a 72-year-old man who has had four bouts of cancer? My guess is
the odds are against him completing one term.


McCain's doctor for the past 16 years, an internal medicine specialist at
the Mayo Clinic in Arizona, disagrees.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...t_cancer_free/


Eisboch



Oh? The good doctor is predicting the next four years of medical history
for McCain?

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"hk" wrote in message
. ..


What is important is McCain's health. I wonder what the longevity tables
say about a 72-year-old man who has had four bouts of cancer? My guess is
the odds are against him completing one term.


McCain's doctor for the past 16 years, an internal medicine specialist at
the Mayo Clinic in Arizona, disagrees.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...t_cancer_free/


Eisboch

Don't confuse the issue with facts from an expert in the field.

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

What is important is McCain's health. I wonder what the longevity tables
say about a 72-year-old man who has had four bouts of cancer? My guess
is the odds are against him completing one term.


McCain's doctor for the past 16 years, an internal medicine specialist at
the Mayo Clinic in Arizona, disagrees.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...t_cancer_free/


Eisboch

Oh? The good doctor is predicting the next four years of medical history
for McCain?

Why not? You criticze him for age and health, forecasting doom and gloom.
Who is more correct? The real answer: Nobody knows.

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:30:20 -0400, BAR wrote:

http://www.courant.com/news/politics...,2934547.story

I guess you are too young to remember how the draft worked in that
era. If you were enrolled as a full time student, you got that
deferment unless you requested NOT to get it. People also got defrred
for all sorts of other reasons. If you were an only child, I think
that may have been grounds for a deferment. Then there was the lottery
system. Many people got high lottery numbers and were never called.
Some rich and powerful folks could get their kids into the Air Force
reserve, guaranteeing they would never be shipped to Viet Nam. Heck,
some of them didn't even complete THAT alternative service, but were
never prosecuted.

You are correct. The draft ended three years before I volunteered.

If you are depending on that to be a "problem" for Biden, you are
really out of luck in a very big way. It's a complete non-starter.
Rush Limbaugh bellowing about it as he eats more pills isn't going to
make that into anything.

The hand of duplicity is raised again.

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

What is important is McCain's health. I wonder what the longevity tables
say about a 72-year-old man who has had four bouts of cancer? My guess is
the odds are against him completing one term.


McCain's doctor for the past 16 years, an internal medicine specialist at
the Mayo Clinic in Arizona, disagrees.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...t_cancer_free/


Eisboch



We will see, WAFA...

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

On Aug 31, 11:07*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:53:56 -0400, hk wrote:
On the other hand, McCain's military service is an non-qualifier, except
for those who think it has some meaning 35 years after the fact.

I don't think you can have it both ways. It is either not important
that {pick your chicken hawk} ducked the draft or it is important that
McCain didn't.

No, no.. Harry can be dishonest on both ends, without concience. He
can lie without remorse, again, no moral core. Whoever destroyed his
spirit really did a good job. I would have to guess it was early in
his childhood..

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 31, 11:07*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:53:56 -0400, hk wrote:
On the other hand, McCain's military service is an non-qualifier, except
for those who think it has some meaning 35 years after the fact.

I don't think you can have it both ways. It is either not important
that {pick your chicken hawk} ducked the draft or it is important that
McCain didn't.

No, no.. Harry can be dishonest on both ends, without concience. He
can lie without remorse, again, no moral core. Whoever destroyed his
spirit really did a good job. I would have to guess it was early in
his childhood..


Most (all) of your posts today had to do with Harry.

Get a life.

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

JimH wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 31, 11:07 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:53:56 -0400, hk wrote:
On the other hand, McCain's military service is an non-qualifier, except
for those who think it has some meaning 35 years after the fact.
I don't think you can have it both ways. It is either not important
that {pick your chicken hawk} ducked the draft or it is important that
McCain didn't.
No, no.. Harry can be dishonest on both ends, without concience. He
can lie without remorse, again, no moral core. Whoever destroyed his
spirit really did a good job. I would have to guess it was early in
his childhood..


Most (all) of your posts today had to do with Harry.

Get a life.

I love the way you follow everyone around telling them to "get a life'.
Remember when you used to tell Harry that about 30 times a day?

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:33:22 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of
Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC,
STP. " wrote:

I love the way you follow everyone around telling them to "get a life'.
Remember when you used to tell Harry that about 30 times a day?

The one thing we know for sure is that Harry thoroughly enjoys being
at the center of the universe here. For everyone else it is sort of a
uniting force, making the group what it is for better or worse. If
everyone put him in the kill file and ignored his trolls for attention
he would either go away or start talking to himself. That could be a
good thing but I have to admit that it is kind of fun smacking him
around once in a while. There's nothing like an easy target some
times.

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:38:50 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:52:17 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:30:20 -0400, BAR wrote:

http://www.courant.com/news/politics...,2934547.story

I guess you are too young to remember how the draft worked in that
era. If you were enrolled as a full time student, you got that
deferment unless you requested NOT to get it. People also got defrred
for all sorts of other reasons. If you were an only child, I think
that may have been grounds for a deferment. Then there was the lottery
system. Many people got high lottery numbers and were never called.
Some rich and powerful folks could get their kids into the Air Force
reserve, guaranteeing they would never be shipped to Viet Nam. Heck,
some of them didn't even complete THAT alternative service, but were
never prosecuted.

If you are depending on that to be a "problem" for Biden, you are
really out of luck in a very big way. It's a complete non-starter.
Rush Limbaugh bellowing about it as he eats more pills isn't going to
make that into anything.


I don't think it was the II-S, even though that is what we crucify
Cheney and the rest of the "chicken hawks" over. I bet they question
the asthma. He must of got over it. He seems plenty long winded now.


I think the neo-cons are desparate for ANYTHING. If Obama was their
candidate, they would be harping on the fact that McCain broke under
torture and made statements against the U.S. They are THAT desparate.

I have a stepson who has a form of asthma that only presents when he
does strenuous excercise. The rest of the time, you would not have any
idea that there was a problem. There are also medications and inhalers
that are very effective at controlling asthma and relieving the
symptoms.

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:50:33 -0400, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:30:20 -0400, BAR wrote:

http://www.courant.com/news/politics...,2934547.story

I guess you are too young to remember how the draft worked in that
era. If you were enrolled as a full time student, you got that
deferment unless you requested NOT to get it. People also got defrred
for all sorts of other reasons. If you were an only child, I think
that may have been grounds for a deferment. Then there was the lottery
system. Many people got high lottery numbers and were never called.
Some rich and powerful folks could get their kids into the Air Force
reserve, guaranteeing they would never be shipped to Viet Nam. Heck,
some of them didn't even complete THAT alternative service, but were
never prosecuted.

If you are depending on that to be a "problem" for Biden, you are
really out of luck in a very big way. It's a complete non-starter.
Rush Limbaugh bellowing about it as he eats more pills isn't going to
make that into anything.


So what was all of that oral effluent about Chenney?

Cheney is what is known as a "Chicken Hawk". The reason he gets
slammed for his student deferment is that he was running around
supporting the war. Someone with character and a working sense of
honor would have refused the deferment, joined the service and
VOLUNTEERED to go. Cheney's weak repsonse is that he "had other
priorities at the time". His mouth and his actions were way out of
sync.

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

JimH wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:19:42 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Aug 31, 11:07 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:53:56 -0400, hk wrote:
On the other hand, McCain's military service is an non-qualifier, except
for those who think it has some meaning 35 years after the fact.
I don't think you can have it both ways. It is either not important
that {pick your chicken hawk} ducked the draft or it is important that
McCain didn't.
No, no.. Harry can be dishonest on both ends, without concience. He
can lie without remorse, again, no moral core. Whoever destroyed his
spirit really did a good job. I would have to guess it was early in
his childhood..


Most (all) of your posts today had to do with Harry.

Get a life.


His kid's motorcycle is busted.

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:01:52 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...


What is important is McCain's health. I wonder what the longevity tables
say about a 72-year-old man who has had four bouts of cancer? My guess is
the odds are against him completing one term.


McCain's doctor for the past 16 years, an internal medicine specialist at
the Mayo Clinic in Arizona, disagrees.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...t_cancer_free/


Eisboch



My 88 year old mother is in "generally good health". The rigors of
the presidency, however, take a heavy toll. A very heavy toll. I would
not be at all surprised if at some point during the campaign, McCain
has to be treated for "exhaustion". Even a very robust 72 year old may
be pushing things to do this job. Being one of 100 senators is a far
cry from being THE President.

Many believe stress often triggers cancer. Someone who has had cancer
4 times obviously is prone to developing it. Being cancer free at the
moment is great news, but it's not the whole picture.

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

wrote in message
...

I have a stepson who has a form of asthma that only presents when he
does strenuous excercise. The rest of the time, you would not have any
idea that there was a problem. There are also medications and inhalers
that are very effective at controlling asthma and relieving the
symptoms.


Severe asthma attacks are scary. My oldest son (35 yo) is asthmatic and has
made a few trips in the middle of the night to the emergency room at the
hospital. During his last episode, they measured his heart rate at 180
bpm, laying on the bed.

How he made it through 4 years of military service, I don't know. I know
he lied during the physical because they never would have let him join had
they known. Had he experienced attacks while serving, they would have
medically discharged him.

Eisboch

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

wrote in message
...


My 88 year old mother is in "generally good health". The rigors of
the presidency, however, take a heavy toll. A very heavy toll. I would
not be at all surprised if at some point during the campaign, McCain
has to be treated for "exhaustion". Even a very robust 72 year old may
be pushing things to do this job. Being one of 100 senators is a far
cry from being THE President.

Many believe stress often triggers cancer. Someone who has had cancer
4 times obviously is prone to developing it. Being cancer free at the
moment is great news, but it's not the whole picture.




I don't think anyone knows for sure. Treatment for cancer is based on a
data base of statistical information ....
they know that "x" type of drug or "y" type of surgery statistically has had
the most benefit.

McCain also has a very fair complexion, at a higher statistical potential of
getting skin cancer.

I think it can be said that McCain has demonstrated a high capability for
handling stress. To some, stress can knock one out. To others, it simply
invigorates them.

Eisboch

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...

My 88 year old mother is in "generally good health". The rigors of
the presidency, however, take a heavy toll. A very heavy toll. I would
not be at all surprised if at some point during the campaign, McCain
has to be treated for "exhaustion". Even a very robust 72 year old may
be pushing things to do this job. Being one of 100 senators is a far
cry from being THE President.

Many believe stress often triggers cancer. Someone who has had cancer
4 times obviously is prone to developing it. Being cancer free at the
moment is great news, but it's not the whole picture.




I don't think anyone knows for sure. Treatment for cancer is based on a
data base of statistical information ....
they know that "x" type of drug or "y" type of surgery statistically has had
the most benefit.

McCain also has a very fair complexion, at a higher statistical potential of
getting skin cancer.

I think it can be said that McCain has demonstrated a high capability for
handling stress. To some, stress can knock one out. To others, it simply
invigorates them.

Eisboch




McCain alleviates his stress by letting his horrific temper out of the bag.

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
I have a stepson who has a form of asthma that only presents when he
does strenuous excercise. The rest of the time, you would not have any
idea that there was a problem. There are also medications and inhalers
that are very effective at controlling asthma and relieving the
symptoms.


Severe asthma attacks are scary. My oldest son (35 yo) is asthmatic and has
made a few trips in the middle of the night to the emergency room at the
hospital. During his last episode, they measured his heart rate at 180
bpm, laying on the bed.

How he made it through 4 years of military service, I don't know. I know
he lied during the physical because they never would have let him join had
they known. Had he experienced attacks while serving, they would have
medically discharged him.

Eisboch




Well, I'm glad your son is ok, but what he did to get into the service
is not a good thing.

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:


Severe asthma attacks are scary. My oldest son (35 yo) is asthmatic and
has made a few trips in the middle of the night to the emergency room at
the hospital. During his last episode, they measured his heart rate at
180 bpm, laying on the bed.

How he made it through 4 years of military service, I don't know. I
know he lied during the physical because they never would have let him
join had they known. Had he experienced attacks while serving, they
would have medically discharged him.

Eisboch



Well, I'm glad your son is ok, but what he did to get into the service is
not a good thing.


Maybe not, but he was highly motivated at the time to do his time. He was
also highly motivated to get out after serving his four years.

The military is full of people that technically shouldn't be there for
various reasons, but they do anyway.

Same is true of civilian employment.

Eisboch

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:

Severe asthma attacks are scary. My oldest son (35 yo) is asthmatic and
has made a few trips in the middle of the night to the emergency room at
the hospital. During his last episode, they measured his heart rate at
180 bpm, laying on the bed.

How he made it through 4 years of military service, I don't know. I
know he lied during the physical because they never would have let him
join had they known. Had he experienced attacks while serving, they
would have medically discharged him.

Eisboch


Well, I'm glad your son is ok, but what he did to get into the service is
not a good thing.


Maybe not, but he was highly motivated at the time to do his time. He was
also highly motivated to get out after serving his four years.

The military is full of people that technically shouldn't be there for
various reasons, but they do anyway.

Same is true of civilian employment.

Eisboch



You don't see a difference?

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:

Severe asthma attacks are scary. My oldest son (35 yo) is asthmatic
and has made a few trips in the middle of the night to the emergency
room at the hospital. During his last episode, they measured his
heart rate at 180 bpm, laying on the bed.

How he made it through 4 years of military service, I don't know. I
know he lied during the physical because they never would have let him
join had they known. Had he experienced attacks while serving, they
would have medically discharged him.

Eisboch


Well, I'm glad your son is ok, but what he did to get into the service
is not a good thing.


Maybe not, but he was highly motivated at the time to do his time. He
was also highly motivated to get out after serving his four years.

The military is full of people that technically shouldn't be there for
various reasons, but they do anyway.

Same is true of civilian employment.

Eisboch

You don't see a difference?


I do, but I am not perfect. You can be elected POTUS and be commander in
chief, even after admitting to experimentation with drugs.

Confess that when joining the military as an E-1 and you will be rejected.

Eisboch

Hey Harry, Biden Has A Deferment Problem
 

On Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:36:46 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:


Severe asthma attacks are scary. My oldest son (35 yo) is asthmatic and
has made a few trips in the middle of the night to the emergency room at
the hospital. During his last episode, they measured his heart rate at
180 bpm, laying on the bed.

How he made it through 4 years of military service, I don't know. I
know he lied during the physical because they never would have let him
join had they known. Had he experienced attacks while serving, they
would have medically discharged him.

Eisboch



Well, I'm glad your son is ok, but what he did to get into the service is
not a good thing.


Maybe not, but he was highly motivated at the time to do his time. He was
also highly motivated to get out after serving his four years.

The military is full of people that technically shouldn't be there for
various reasons, but they do anyway.

Same is true of civilian employment.

Eisboch


Except being a closet asthmatic in a combat situation would be
jeopardizing the lives of others serving with you.