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"hk" wrote in message
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wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:24:19 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


I wrote that poorly. I was trying to make the point that our
forefathers envisioned life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, not
a government social welfare system.

Eisboch

That works for me.


What we actually have is a government social welfare system for the rich.

"Nothing" for less fortunate?

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On Aug 24, 8:23 am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:


Bout time someone at this NG snipped something.

Casady


I totally wiped it off and started over

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"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
the mentality these days.



I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch




Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be
likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.

So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
capitalistic economy?

Eisboch

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On Aug 24, 9:43*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
m...

Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
the mentality these days.

I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch

Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be
likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney..

So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
capitalistic economy?

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

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I bet he says something like.. "only if it's done right". Which of
course means, by his rules...;)

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On Aug 24, 9:47*pm, wrote:
On Aug 24, 9:43*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:





"hk" wrote in message

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
m...

Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
the mentality these days.

I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch

Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be
likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.

So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
capitalistic economy?

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I bet he says something like.. "only if it's done right". Which of
course means, by his rules...;)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You know, rules like:
You can't put your kid on a motorcycle, but he can rape her and sneak
her over state lines for an abortion to hide the evidence. Right down
to the age of 10, that is what they call, progressive...

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If you
want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the 1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to be
the mentality these days.


I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch



Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to be
likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick Cheney.

So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
capitalistic economy?

Eisboch



The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
that are taxed should be eliminated.

I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
European socialism.


None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs
an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.

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"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If
you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the
1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to
be the mentality these days.


I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch



Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to
be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick
Cheney.

So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
capitalistic economy?

Eisboch

The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
that are taxed should be eliminated.

I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
European socialism.


None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs an
attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.



I understand.

I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I
think you have answered the question, in a round about way.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If
you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the
1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to
be the mentality these days.

I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch


Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better to
be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick
Cheney.
So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free market,
capitalistic economy?

Eisboch
The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
that are taxed should be eliminated.

I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
European socialism.


None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs an
attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.



I understand.

I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I
think you have answered the question, in a round about way.

Eisboch



Naw, I'm neither. Oh, except for "family farms," I think the
"inheritance tax" should be raised substantially. Doing so would raise
the capital gifts to legitimate charities, and it might imbue in the
sons and daughters of the very rich a little motivation.

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"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Debs had nothing to do with this country's slide into the toilet. If
you want to blame anything, blame greed, especially the greed of the
1980s.

There's nothing in the Declaration or Constitution that says we all
exist for "the corporation" or its "shareholders," but that seems to
be the mentality these days.

I cited Debs purposely, for your benefit.

Your political and social welfare views expressed over the years are
almost exactly those of his, but with a time frame difference.
He was a Socialist.

Eisboch


Really? Well, good. Debs helped exploited workers of his era. Better
to be likened to a great American like Debs than a slimeball like Dick
Cheney.
So, am I then to assume you are for Socialism, rather than a free
market, capitalistic economy?

Eisboch
The "free market" these days only "capitalizes" the wealthy. The middle
classes in this country are suffering. Capitalism needs to be closely
regulated, and government should be doing more to promote the middle
class. I agree with Obama that those earning more than $250,000 a year
should have their taxes raised. I also think the cap on "SSI earnings"
that are taxed should be eliminated.

I've made no secret that I find attractive certain aspects of modern
European socialism.


None of this, though, has anything to do with the fact that I find Debs
an attractive historical figure and Cheney a slimeball.



I understand.

I am trying to identify you as either a socialist or a capitalist. I
think you have answered the question, in a round about way.

Eisboch

Naw, I'm neither. Oh, except for "family farms," I think the "inheritance
tax" should be raised substantially. Doing so would raise the capital
gifts to legitimate charities, and it might imbue in the sons and
daughters of the very rich a little motivation.


I am sure you have, but just in case, I would invite you to reread Deb's
views of an ideal society.
It reads very much like a collection of your many posts here on the subject.

Debs was a acknowledged socialist. Since he and you are in obvious
agreement, are you?

Eisboch