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HK August 21st 08 01:45 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
....responding to a woman who said she thought the draft would have to be
re-instated in order to get bin Laden...

....say...

....he agreed with what she said...?


McCain on the record...wants to reinstate the draft.

One has to wonder just how many wars McCain wants to start.

John "I'll pander to anyone to get elected" McCain.

Calif Bill August 21st 08 02:49 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
...responding to a woman who said she thought the draft would have to be
re-instated in order to get bin Laden...

...say...

...he agreed with what she said...?


McCain on the record...wants to reinstate the draft.

One has to wonder just how many wars McCain wants to start.

John "I'll pander to anyone to get elected" McCain.


That is a reach, even for a DNC shill.



HK August 21st 08 03:02 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
Calif Bill wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
...responding to a woman who said she thought the draft would have to be
re-instated in order to get bin Laden...

...say...

...he agreed with what she said...?


McCain on the record...wants to reinstate the draft.

One has to wonder just how many wars McCain wants to start.

John "I'll pander to anyone to get elected" McCain.


That is a reach, even for a DNC shill.



The video has been on tv news all evening.

I think it's great. McCain and I both support the draft, but for
entirely different reasons.

HK August 21st 08 03:10 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:45:37 -0400, hk wrote:

McCain on the record...wants to reinstate the draft.

One has to wonder just how many wars McCain wants to start

9
Personally I think the draft is a good thing. Stopping it sure didn't
stop stupid wars but it did give us a generation of stupid kids who
would have been better served if they spent a few years in the
military.



I'm in favor of a universal draft with exemptions only for serious
physical or mental disorders. With such a draft, the sons and daughters
of the rich would also be exposed to soldiers' deaths and maimings, and
that would mean serious constraints on incompetent, dishonest,
war-mongering administrations like Dubya's.

Hopefully, the Dems will make a nice TV commercial out of McCain's
statement. If they do, that may well be the end of McCain.

HK August 21st 08 03:15 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
Calif Bill wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
...responding to a woman who said she thought the draft would have to be
re-instated in order to get bin Laden...

...say...

...he agreed with what she said...?


McCain on the record...wants to reinstate the draft.

One has to wonder just how many wars McCain wants to start.

John "I'll pander to anyone to get elected" McCain.


That is a reach, even for a DNC shill.




Sorry, Bilious...the tape has been on TV all evening.

Eisboch August 21st 08 03:43 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..


Hopefully, the Dems will make a nice TV commercial out of McCain's
statement. If they do, that may well be the end of McCain.



If they do, I hope they include the long-winded, rambling, hard to follow
speech of a question that the woman asked.

All he said, when she finally shut up, was "I don't disagree with you".

The whole thing is stupid.

Eisboch



JimH[_2_] August 21st 08 03:55 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
On Aug 20, 10:43*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message

. ..



Hopefully, the Dems will make a nice TV commercial out of McCain's
statement. If they do, that may well be the end of McCain.


If they do, I hope they include the long-winded, rambling, hard to follow
speech of a question that the woman asked.

All he said, when she finally shut up, was "I don't disagree with you".

The whole thing is stupid.

Eisboch


Exactly.

Here is another discussion of the issue:

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/...draft_nope.php


HK August 21st 08 03:56 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Hopefully, the Dems will make a nice TV commercial out of McCain's
statement. If they do, that may well be the end of McCain.



If they do, I hope they include the long-winded, rambling, hard to follow
speech of a question that the woman asked.

All he said, when she finally shut up, was "I don't disagree with you".

The whole thing is stupid.

Eisboch



What difference does that make? McCain's said all many of conflicting
things about the draft in recent years. He was for it before he was
against it before he was for it.

JimH[_2_] August 21st 08 04:03 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
On Aug 20, 10:56*pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
...


Hopefully, the Dems will make a nice TV commercial out of McCain's
statement. If they do, that may well be the end of McCain.


If they do, I hope they include the long-winded, rambling, hard to follow
speech of a question that the woman asked.


All he said, when she finally shut up, was "I don't disagree with you".


The whole thing is stupid.


Eisboch


What difference does that make? McCain's said all many of conflicting
things about the draft in recent years. He was for it before he was
against it before he was for it.



Nice spin.

JimH[_2_] August 21st 08 04:05 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
On Aug 20, 8:45*pm, hk wrote:
...responding to a woman who said she thought the draft would have to be
re-instated in order to get bin Laden...

...say...

...he agreed with what she said...?

McCain on the record...wants to reinstate the draft.

One has to wonder just how many wars McCain wants to start.

John "I'll pander to anyone to get elected" McCain.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3msRsdt6bWY

Really?

Tim August 21st 08 04:40 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
I didn't watch any of it this evening. I had more important things to
do.

I had a gig with my band

Tim August 21st 08 04:44 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
On Aug 20, 10:05 pm, JimH wrote:
On Aug 20, 8:45 pm, hk wrote:

...responding to a woman who said she thought the draft would have to be
re-instated in order to get bin Laden...


...say...


...he agreed with what she said...?


McCain on the record...wants to reinstate the draft.


One has to wonder just how many wars McCain wants to start.


John "I'll pander to anyone to get elected" McCain.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3msRsdt6bWY

Really?



is the kind lady making a speech? or asking a question?

Eisboch August 21st 08 04:51 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Hopefully, the Dems will make a nice TV commercial out of McCain's
statement. If they do, that may well be the end of McCain.



If they do, I hope they include the long-winded, rambling, hard to follow
speech of a question that the woman asked.

All he said, when she finally shut up, was "I don't disagree with you".

The whole thing is stupid.

Eisboch


What difference does that make? McCain's said all many of conflicting
things about the draft in recent years. He was for it before he was
against it before he was for it.



What difference does it make?

A big difference to those that are actually listening and not simply
repeating the left wing spin.
I saw this a week or more ago, thought about posting it for your benefit,
then said, "The heck with it, Harry will cut and paste it soon anyway".

Eisboch



Eisboch August 21st 08 05:02 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..

Hopefully, the Dems will make a nice TV commercial out of McCain's
statement. If they do, that may well be the end of McCain.


If they do, I hope they include the long-winded, rambling, hard to
follow speech of a question that the woman asked.

All he said, when she finally shut up, was "I don't disagree with you".

The whole thing is stupid.

Eisboch


What difference does that make? McCain's said all many of conflicting
things about the draft in recent years. He was for it before he was
against it before he was for it.



What difference does it make?

A big difference to those that are actually listening and not simply
repeating the left wing spin.
I saw this a week or more ago, thought about posting it for your benefit,
then said, "The heck with it, Harry will cut and paste it soon anyway".

Eisboch


Mistake. I was confusing two threads. The one I saw a week or so ago was
the article about McCain's first wife and the divorce of 28 years ago.

Eisboch



HK August 21st 08 11:28 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
JimH wrote:
On Aug 20, 10:56 pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Hopefully, the Dems will make a nice TV commercial out of McCain's
statement. If they do, that may well be the end of McCain.
If they do, I hope they include the long-winded, rambling, hard to follow
speech of a question that the woman asked.
All he said, when she finally shut up, was "I don't disagree with you".
The whole thing is stupid.
Eisboch

What difference does that make? McCain's said all many of conflicting
things about the draft in recent years. He was for it before he was
against it before he was for it.



Nice spin.



Over the last few years, McCain has been for the draft, against the
draft, for the draft, and against the draft. McCain flips and flops more
than the egg turner at Waffle House. Some of this may be because he
simply has changed his mind, which is reasonable, and some of it may be
because he simply cannot remember from one day to the next what the
position du jour is.

He's old, he's tired, he's repetitive, and he is way, way past his prime.

We don't need to elect a president cast in the mold of GWB, a man like
McCain who will turn out to be an incompetent leader, a president with
terrible judgment who makes lousy decisions. If the country hasn't been
in a coma the last eight years, it will not elect John McBush, er,
McSame, er, McCain.


Eisboch August 21st 08 11:31 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..


He's old, he's tired, he's repetitive, and he is way, way past his prime.



So are a couple of people here in rec.boats. :-)

Eisboch



HK August 21st 08 11:32 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..



He's old, he's tired, he's repetitive, and he is way, way past his prime.



So are a couple of people here in rec.boats. :-)

Eisboch




The old f*rts here ain't runnin' for POTUS.

Eisboch August 21st 08 11:43 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..



He's old, he's tired, he's repetitive, and he is way, way past his
prime.



So are a couple of people here in rec.boats. :-)

Eisboch



The old f*rts here ain't runnin' for POTUS.



There's a couple I might consider voting for.

Meanwhile, your buddy Obama is making a huge mistake, I think. Back from
vacation, he's running around promising millions of new, union jobs. He
must have forgotten that union jobs make up a very small minority of
employment in the US and most non-union workers and employers want
absolutely nothing to do with them.

He isn't going to garner many votes with this approach.

Eisboch



John H.[_6_] August 21st 08 11:45 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:40:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

I didn't watch any of it this evening. I had more important things to
do.

I had a gig with my band


My neither. I also had more important things to do. Had to fry up some
green tomatoes.

HK August 21st 08 11:50 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
He's old, he's tired, he's repetitive, and he is way, way past his
prime.


So are a couple of people here in rec.boats. :-)

Eisboch


The old f*rts here ain't runnin' for POTUS.



There's a couple I might consider voting for.

Meanwhile, your buddy Obama is making a huge mistake, I think. Back from
vacation, he's running around promising millions of new, union jobs. He
must have forgotten that union jobs make up a very small minority of
employment in the US and most non-union workers and employers want
absolutely nothing to do with them.

He isn't going to garner many votes with this approach.

Eisboch




Yes, indeed...the exploited lower middle income workers in this country
know that Job One is to work for less and with fewer if any bennies so
their corporate masters and stockholders can get richer, while they
slide into oblivion.

I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited
finally realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could
see some of the heads they put on pikes.

Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. August 21st 08 11:58 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
hk wrote:
..

I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited
finally realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could
see some of the heads they put on pikes.


Vlad? Is that you?

Eisboch August 21st 08 12:04 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
He's old, he's tired, he's repetitive, and he is way, way past his
prime.


So are a couple of people here in rec.boats. :-)

Eisboch

The old f*rts here ain't runnin' for POTUS.



There's a couple I might consider voting for.

Meanwhile, your buddy Obama is making a huge mistake, I think. Back
from vacation, he's running around promising millions of new, union jobs.
He must have forgotten that union jobs make up a very small minority of
employment in the US and most non-union workers and employers want
absolutely nothing to do with them.

He isn't going to garner many votes with this approach.

Eisboch



Yes, indeed...the exploited lower middle income workers in this country
know that Job One is to work for less and with fewer if any bennies so
their corporate masters and stockholders can get richer, while they slide
into oblivion.

I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited finally
realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could see some of
the heads they put on pikes.



That's not the group that Obama is alienating. The majority of jobs in
the US is in small, private companies.
For the most part, a "big" corporate culture doesn't exist and the owners
are typically the major (or only) stockholder.
These companies have a relationship with the employees quite different than
that you complain about and typically have no interest in unions, employees
or employer.

This workforce is the group that Obama will not appeal to with his promises,
and they represent the majority of voters.

Eisboch



Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] August 21st 08 12:56 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:04:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

This workforce is the group that Obama will not appeal to with his promises,
and they represent the majority of voters.


I still think this whole discussion is mute.

I think the PUMA faction is going to take the nomination away from
BarryO and give it to Hillary.

Just a hunch - nothing to back it up, but reading about BarryO's
capitulation to the PUMA faction, the fact that Clinton will have her
own floor whips at the convention, the rally, the absolutely vicious
email the PUMA faction sent around (and probably more racist than
anything I've seen in the past few years) and that a full 30% of the
PUMA faction saying they will not vote for BarryO under any
circumstances and some noted Democrats awkwardly avoiding BarryO like
the Plague - it's very possible. The later is key - the Democrats in
this state avoided Ned Lamont like the Plague too - and look what
happened to him.

Add that the Clintons aren't being very visible or open about
endorsing BarryO, the new questions about his heritage (as in
registering at a Indonesian Catholic School as a Muslim), the fact
that the Arab world will view him as an apostate, heretic and unclean
making his job harder to deal with them (which is gaining some
momentum among the smarter Democrats).

You know what's even funnier about all this? All this stuff I've just
talked about has come from Democratic sources, blogs, comments and one
forum I read fairly regularly - none of which are exactly ...um...
moderately leftist in nature. :)

It might be actually worth watching.

Eisboch August 21st 08 01:05 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:04:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

This workforce is the group that Obama will not appeal to with his
promises,
and they represent the majority of voters.


I still think this whole discussion is mute.

I think the PUMA faction is going to take the nomination away from
BarryO and give it to Hillary.

Just a hunch - nothing to back it up, but reading about BarryO's
capitulation to the PUMA faction, the fact that Clinton will have her
own floor whips at the convention, the rally, the absolutely vicious
email the PUMA faction sent around (and probably more racist than
anything I've seen in the past few years) and that a full 30% of the
PUMA faction saying they will not vote for BarryO under any
circumstances and some noted Democrats awkwardly avoiding BarryO like
the Plague - it's very possible. The later is key - the Democrats in
this state avoided Ned Lamont like the Plague too - and look what
happened to him.

Add that the Clintons aren't being very visible or open about
endorsing BarryO, the new questions about his heritage (as in
registering at a Indonesian Catholic School as a Muslim), the fact
that the Arab world will view him as an apostate, heretic and unclean
making his job harder to deal with them (which is gaining some
momentum among the smarter Democrats).

You know what's even funnier about all this? All this stuff I've just
talked about has come from Democratic sources, blogs, comments and one
forum I read fairly regularly - none of which are exactly ...um...
moderately leftist in nature. :)

It might be actually worth watching.





You are scaring me.

If this happens (and I also think it's a possibility) the whole US election
system is going to be turned upside down and may never be the same again.
Any remaining faith in the integrity of the process is going to go out the
window, forever.

We will have the Clintons to thank for this.

Plus, I'll never be able to discuss politics with Mrs.E. again ........

Eisboch



Richard Casady August 21st 08 01:54 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:53:57 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:45:37 -0400, hk wrote:

McCain on the record...wants to reinstate the draft.

One has to wonder just how many wars McCain wants to start

9
Personally I think the draft is a good thing. Stopping it sure didn't
stop stupid wars but it did give us a generation of stupid kids who
would have been better served if they spent a few years in the
military.


The draft gave the entire society a stake in the military, and in
avoiding military adventurism. Rich mens sons served in Viet Nam.

Casady

[email protected] August 21st 08 01:59 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:54:09 +0000, Richard Casady wrote:


The draft gave the entire society a stake in the military, and in
avoiding military adventurism. Rich mens sons served in Viet Nam.

Casady


Personally, I keep thinking we are asking too much of too few. These
soldiers are going into a war zone four and five tours. That just isn't
right in my book. As a country, if we are going to war, we should do it
as a country meaning everyone should roll the dice.

Eisboch August 21st 08 02:05 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:54:09 +0000, Richard Casady wrote:


The draft gave the entire society a stake in the military, and in
avoiding military adventurism. Rich mens sons served in Viet Nam.

Casady


Personally, I keep thinking we are asking too much of too few. These
soldiers are going into a war zone four and five tours. That just isn't
right in my book. As a country, if we are going to war, we should do it
as a country meaning everyone should roll the dice.



I think those serving might disagree with you, although your general
justification has merit.
The volunteer military is a much more professional, dedicated and capable
organization than that of the draft period which I was a member of.

Eisboch



Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. August 21st 08 02:10 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
He's old, he's tired, he's repetitive, and he is way, way past his
prime.

So are a couple of people here in rec.boats. :-)

Eisboch
The old f*rts here ain't runnin' for POTUS.

There's a couple I might consider voting for.

Meanwhile, your buddy Obama is making a huge mistake, I think. Back
from vacation, he's running around promising millions of new, union jobs.
He must have forgotten that union jobs make up a very small minority of
employment in the US and most non-union workers and employers want
absolutely nothing to do with them.

He isn't going to garner many votes with this approach.

Eisboch


Yes, indeed...the exploited lower middle income workers in this country
know that Job One is to work for less and with fewer if any bennies so
their corporate masters and stockholders can get richer, while they slide
into oblivion.

I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited finally
realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could see some of
the heads they put on pikes.



That's not the group that Obama is alienating. The majority of jobs in
the US is in small, private companies.
For the most part, a "big" corporate culture doesn't exist and the owners
are typically the major (or only) stockholder.
These companies have a relationship with the employees quite different than
that you complain about and typically have no interest in unions, employees
or employer.

This workforce is the group that Obama will not appeal to with his promises,
and they represent the majority of voters.

Eisboch



I would have thought Obama would walk away with the election. It looks
like he is falling off a cliff, which is why Harry is going crazy with
these cut and paste article.

If he really wanted to make a difference, he would spend time doing
something productive to help, instead of spending all his time in rec.boats.

Richard Casady August 21st 08 02:42 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:58:45 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of
Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC,
STP. " wrote:

hk wrote:
.

I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited
finally realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could
see some of the heads they put on pikes.


Vlad? Is that you?


The head is not where Vlad put the pike, and the victims were alive at
the time. Not really a pike in his case, the proper stake is as high
as the navel, greased, and tapers from four inches at the ground to a
rounded point like half a golf ball. There is a reason that the
Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishments.

Casady

John H.[_6_] August 21st 08 04:07 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:59:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:54:09 +0000, Richard Casady wrote:


The draft gave the entire society a stake in the military, and in
avoiding military adventurism. Rich mens sons served in Viet Nam.

Casady


Personally, I keep thinking we are asking too much of too few. These
soldiers are going into a war zone four and five tours. That just isn't
right in my book. As a country, if we are going to war, we should do it
as a country meaning everyone should roll the dice.


Going into a war zone has a lot of bennies for the soldiers. My daughter's
husband is thinking seriously of changing units just so he *can* go back.
Financially, it's a windfall. They would get a housing allowance, which
they don't get now, his military pay would be tax free, and the company he
works for would make up the difference in his mil pay and civilian pay.

The chances of getting killed or wounded in Iraq are very small and coming
down every day.

John H.[_6_] August 21st 08 04:10 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:10:33 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall,
Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
He's old, he's tired, he's repetitive, and he is way, way past his
prime.

So are a couple of people here in rec.boats. :-)

Eisboch
The old f*rts here ain't runnin' for POTUS.

There's a couple I might consider voting for.

Meanwhile, your buddy Obama is making a huge mistake, I think. Back
from vacation, he's running around promising millions of new, union jobs.
He must have forgotten that union jobs make up a very small minority of
employment in the US and most non-union workers and employers want
absolutely nothing to do with them.

He isn't going to garner many votes with this approach.

Eisboch

Yes, indeed...the exploited lower middle income workers in this country
know that Job One is to work for less and with fewer if any bennies so
their corporate masters and stockholders can get richer, while they slide
into oblivion.

I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited finally
realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could see some of
the heads they put on pikes.



That's not the group that Obama is alienating. The majority of jobs in
the US is in small, private companies.
For the most part, a "big" corporate culture doesn't exist and the owners
are typically the major (or only) stockholder.
These companies have a relationship with the employees quite different than
that you complain about and typically have no interest in unions, employees
or employer.

This workforce is the group that Obama will not appeal to with his promises,
and they represent the majority of voters.

Eisboch



I would have thought Obama would walk away with the election. It looks
like he is falling off a cliff, which is why Harry is going crazy with
these cut and paste article.

If he really wanted to make a difference, he would spend time doing
something productive to help, instead of spending all his time in rec.boats.


Actually, if Harry took up golf he would be helping Obama. The more he
posts here, the more he turns people away from his political stance. If
most liberals are like him, and many are, who would want to become one?

Five hours with Harry on the golf course, away from a computer, would
probably bring Obama's poll numbers way up.

Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. August 21st 08 05:12 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:10:33 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall,
Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
He's old, he's tired, he's repetitive, and he is way, way past his
prime.

So are a couple of people here in rec.boats. :-)

Eisboch
The old f*rts here ain't runnin' for POTUS.
There's a couple I might consider voting for.

Meanwhile, your buddy Obama is making a huge mistake, I think. Back
from vacation, he's running around promising millions of new, union jobs.
He must have forgotten that union jobs make up a very small minority of
employment in the US and most non-union workers and employers want
absolutely nothing to do with them.

He isn't going to garner many votes with this approach.

Eisboch
Yes, indeed...the exploited lower middle income workers in this country
know that Job One is to work for less and with fewer if any bennies so
their corporate masters and stockholders can get richer, while they slide
into oblivion.

I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited finally
realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could see some of
the heads they put on pikes.

That's not the group that Obama is alienating. The majority of jobs in
the US is in small, private companies.
For the most part, a "big" corporate culture doesn't exist and the owners
are typically the major (or only) stockholder.
These companies have a relationship with the employees quite different than
that you complain about and typically have no interest in unions, employees
or employer.

This workforce is the group that Obama will not appeal to with his promises,
and they represent the majority of voters.

Eisboch


I would have thought Obama would walk away with the election. It looks
like he is falling off a cliff, which is why Harry is going crazy with
these cut and paste article.

If he really wanted to make a difference, he would spend time doing
something productive to help, instead of spending all his time in rec.boats.


Actually, if Harry took up golf he would be helping Obama. The more he
posts here, the more he turns people away from his political stance. If
most liberals are like him, and many are, who would want to become one?

Five hours with Harry on the golf course, away from a computer, would
probably bring Obama's poll numbers way up.


Harry is his own worse enemy. That might be why he is always so upset
in rec.boats.


Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. August 21st 08 05:13 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:58:45 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of
Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC,
STP. " wrote:

hk wrote:
.
I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited
finally realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could
see some of the heads they put on pikes.

Vlad? Is that you?


The head is not where Vlad put the pike, and the victims were alive at
the time. Not really a pike in his case, the proper stake is as high
as the navel, greased, and tapers from four inches at the ground to a
rounded point like half a golf ball. There is a reason that the
Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishments.

Casady


Damn you, why did you have to give Harry any more ideas. I am glad
Harry will never have any power, he could be very dangerous.

Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] August 21st 08 08:51 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:05:43 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Plus, I'll never be able to discuss politics with Mrs.E. again ........


If Mrs. E is anything like Mrs. Wave, that might be a good thing. :)

JimH[_2_] August 21st 08 09:53 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
On Aug 21, 12:13*pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:58:45 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of
Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC,
STP. " wrote:


hk wrote:
.
I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited
finally realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could
see some of the heads they put on pikes.
Vlad? *Is that you?


The head is not where Vlad put the pike, and the victims were alive at
the time. Not really a pike in his case, the proper stake is as high
as the navel, greased, and tapers from four inches at the ground *to a
rounded point like half a golf ball. There is a reason that the
Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishments.


Casady


Damn you, why did you have to give Harry any more ideas. * I am glad
Harry will never have any power, he could be very dangerous.


Do you ever make a post without mentioning Harry?

HK August 21st 08 09:57 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
JimH wrote:
On Aug 21, 12:13 pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:58:45 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of
Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC,
STP. " wrote:
hk wrote:
.
I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited
finally realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could
see some of the heads they put on pikes.
Vlad? Is that you?
The head is not where Vlad put the pike, and the victims were alive at
the time. Not really a pike in his case, the proper stake is as high
as the navel, greased, and tapers from four inches at the ground to a
rounded point like half a golf ball. There is a reason that the
Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishments.
Casady

Damn you, why did you have to give Harry any more ideas. I am glad
Harry will never have any power, he could be very dangerous.


Do you ever make a post without mentioning Harry?



It's just more reggiecrap. Reggie is the slightly more literate older
brother of Loogie. Same genetics. Both are on my ignore list.

Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. August 21st 08 11:18 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
JimH wrote:
On Aug 21, 12:13 pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:58:45 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of
Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC,
STP. " wrote:
hk wrote:
.
I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited
finally realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could
see some of the heads they put on pikes.
Vlad? Is that you?
The head is not where Vlad put the pike, and the victims were alive at
the time. Not really a pike in his case, the proper stake is as high
as the navel, greased, and tapers from four inches at the ground to a
rounded point like half a golf ball. There is a reason that the
Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishments.
Casady

Damn you, why did you have to give Harry any more ideas. I am glad
Harry will never have any power, he could be very dangerous.


Do you ever make a post without mentioning Harry?


I didn't bring Harry into this post. Harry said he was looking forward
to the time when the people revolt and stick the powerful head on a
pike. It reminded me of Vlad the Impaler, who would impale his enemies
with a pike. When someone mentioned the procedure they used, I didn't
want to give Harry any ideas.

Now, what do you think of someone who is "I do so wish I were younger
sometimes, so that when the exploited finally realize they've been
getting screwed for generations, I could see some of the heads they put
on pikes."

I find it sick, don't you?

Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. August 21st 08 11:19 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P.
Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 21, 12:13 pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:58:45 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of
Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC,
STP. " wrote:
hk wrote:
.
I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited
finally realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could
see some of the heads they put on pikes.
Vlad? Is that you?
The head is not where Vlad put the pike, and the victims were alive at
the time. Not really a pike in his case, the proper stake is as high
as the navel, greased, and tapers from four inches at the ground to a
rounded point like half a golf ball. There is a reason that the
Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishments.
Casady
Damn you, why did you have to give Harry any more ideas. I am glad
Harry will never have any power, he could be very dangerous.


Do you ever make a post without mentioning Harry?


I didn't bring Harry into this post. Harry said he was looking forward
to the time when the people revolt and stick the powerful head on a
pike. It reminded me of Vlad the Impaler, who would impale his enemies
with a pike. When someone mentioned the procedure they used, I didn't
want to give Harry any ideas.

Now, what do you think of someone who

SAID "I do so wish I were younger
sometimes, so that when the exploited finally realize they've been
getting screwed for generations, I could see some of the heads they put
on pikes."

I find it sick, don't you?

JimH[_2_] August 21st 08 11:19 PM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
On Aug 21, 6:18*pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 21, 12:13 pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:58:45 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of
Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC,
STP. " wrote:
hk wrote:
.
I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited
finally realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could
see some of the heads they put on pikes.
Vlad? *Is that you?
The head is not where Vlad put the pike, and the victims were alive at
the time. Not really a pike in his case, the proper stake is as high
as the navel, greased, and tapers from four inches at the ground *to a
rounded point like half a golf ball. There is a reason that the
Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishments.
Casady
Damn you, why did you have to give Harry any more ideas. * I am glad
Harry will never have any power, he could be very dangerous.


Do you ever make a post without mentioning Harry?


I didn't bring Harry into this post. *Harry said he was looking forward
to the time when the people revolt and stick the powerful head on a
pike. *It reminded me of Vlad the Impaler, who would impale his enemies
with a pike. *When someone mentioned the procedure they used, I didn't
want to give Harry any ideas.

Now, what do you think of someone who is "I do so wish I were younger
sometimes, so that when the exploited finally realize they've been
getting screwed for generations, I could see some of the heads they put
on pikes."

I find it sick, don't you?


I rest my case.

Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. August 22nd 08 04:00 AM

Anyone hear McCain...
 
JimH wrote:
On Aug 21, 6:18 pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
JimH wrote:
On Aug 21, 12:13 pm, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of
Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. "
wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:58:45 -0400, "Earl of Warwich, Duke of
Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC,
STP. " wrote:
hk wrote:
.
I do so wish I were younger sometimes, so that when the exploited
finally realize they've been getting screwed for generations, I could
see some of the heads they put on pikes.
Vlad? Is that you?
The head is not where Vlad put the pike, and the victims were alive at
the time. Not really a pike in his case, the proper stake is as high
as the navel, greased, and tapers from four inches at the ground to a
rounded point like half a golf ball. There is a reason that the
Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishments.
Casady
Damn you, why did you have to give Harry any more ideas. I am glad
Harry will never have any power, he could be very dangerous.
Do you ever make a post without mentioning Harry?

I didn't bring Harry into this post. Harry said he was looking forward
to the time when the people revolt and stick the powerful head on a
pike. It reminded me of Vlad the Impaler, who would impale his enemies
with a pike. When someone mentioned the procedure they used, I didn't
want to give Harry any ideas.

Now, what do you think of someone who is "I do so wish I were younger
sometimes, so that when the exploited finally realize they've been
getting screwed for generations, I could see some of the heads they put
on pikes."

I find it sick, don't you?


I rest my case.


I guess you didn't find anything strange about the comment, so you
didn't respond. I thought it was sick, you didn't.

I rest my case.


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