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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Aug 19, 5:38 pm, wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:09:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Aug 19, 4:50 pm, John H. salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:46:27 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:19:08 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Aug 19, 3:44 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:35:30 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:15:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Hendrix sounds like ****, digital. Does anyone honestly have any idea what that means? I'm sure Stairflopper doesn't. I'm just curious if anyone else can parse it and make some sense of it. Maybe he's not a Hendrix fan. :) Our family attorney is a big time audiophile with all kinds of early Marantz, Mac and Sherwood stuff - collects them actually - and once I took over my prized Derek and The Dominos (autographed) album to play on his Mac system. The comparison to what you get off a CD is incredible to say the least. To say the least indeed.. if he had to ask, he can never understand. How can anyone be expected to understand your complete gibberish? What you said made absolutely no sense no matter where the puctuation might be placed. Unless you think Hendrix played and recorded on digital equipment and you just left out a lot of verbiage. No... even YOU couldn't be that stupid. You'd have forgotten to breathe a long time ago and you wouldn't be here. Salty, maybe you should just filter him. It's obvious he's irritating the hell out of you. Filters, for the most part, work pretty well. -- ** Good Day! ** John H- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Libs don't really understand art unless it has a pricetag, and a good one.. of if one of their friends have it;) Anyone who can not hear the difference between an old record album, even when it was new, and a remastered CD with "noise" and such taken out, has not listened. I like the sound of the old records, the new remastered stuff just don't have the feel for me.. but that is art to me. Some folks have a lot of knowledge, but no soul... Now you are even more of an idiot. The fact that something is digital and the fact that somebody remastered it in a way you don't like are two very different things. My first recorder was a wire recorder. I've got one. a VM. It needs new belts from sitting int he folks attic for about 50+ years. also have about 10 spools of wire. I don't know if there's still anything recorded on them but I'll find out eventually when I find something to make belts with. It still lights up and hums and when in "record" you can plug the mic in and talk. the vu "eye" still winks so.... Ah yes, the magic blue-green "eye". |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:47:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Aug 19, 7:48 am, "Eisboch" wrote: "Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P. Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " wrote in messagenews:S72dnXHEG803IDfVnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comca st.com... Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message ... ...is unlikely to have this toy: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/9836/ Only $1589. This geek much prefers this .... (new release of classic, 1965 twin .... 100% vacuum tube powered) http://www.eisboch.com/65twin.jpg Eisboch I wondered why this was not done earlier. Do the "experts" say this sounds the same as the 1965 version? I don't know. Sounds the same to me, but I am no expert. It has not been redesigned. Just re-released as a product. Same cabinet design, same Jensen "special" speakers, same tube pre-amps, reverb drivers and 6L6 output stage. I have another, solid state Fender "Stage 1000" that has digital signal processing, etc. Sounds ok, but not like the tube twin. There isn't a chip, processor or digital circuit in it. Eisboch People are thinking "vintage" even if it's brand new, they want it to look and sound old. check out this brand New beat-to-death Strat! http://stratoblogster.blogspot.com/2...shop-cruz.html And to think, people pay more for this stuff than a crispy clean on of the same year.... The Fender custom shop makes an exact replica of the SRV. Guitar Center sells them. I think they list for over $20k. My brother was at the one in Orange, CT a few weeks ago looking to buy a standard strat, and they let him try them side by side for about a half hour without being bothered. He said it was clearly better than the $600 one he bought, but then, I guess that's to be expected. He has no idea why the salesman just handed it to him. He asked if the guy was sure, and was told somethg along the lines of, "That's what it's here for". |
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wrote in message ... Ah yes, the magic blue-green "eye". Anyone remember the old, MacIntosh FM receivers that had a little miniature CRT? It was used to accurately tune the receiver by creating a circular Lissajous pattern. Mid '50's technology, I think. Eisboch |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:34:20 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: wrote in message .. . Ah yes, the magic blue-green "eye". Anyone remember the old, MacIntosh FM receivers that had a little miniature CRT? It was used to accurately tune the receiver by creating a circular Lissajous pattern. Mid '50's technology, I think. Eisboch Same idea, except the VU version was just a "gas gauge". I've had old tuners that had two bars that came together for tuning precision. |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:04:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:18:19 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:03:07 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message om... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:12 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:kc8ma4lmppfvlcgh1tuladh2lk8c2ghfj8@4ax .com... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:27:22 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:21:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a similar power level solid state monoblock. I think it's safe to say that the old tube amps had more "warmth", just the thing for a cold winter's night in New England. :-) Plus, the extra added advantage of glowing in the dark. Nothing like a dim room and the soft glow of vacuum tubes. :) I should take a picture of my Dad's Collins S-line some evening after dark. Now that's a sight. :) Don't the 30S-1 and 30L-1 use ceramic output tubes? Now the glass tubes in the rx and tx would glow for sure. Only the 30S-1 - cathode drive, ceramic triodes. The 30L-1 uses four 811A glass triodes cathode drive in parallel. Got it, tnx.....memory fart. The only reason I know that is because my Dad had both of them - the S-1 I sold a few years ago because it is much too big for my purposes. Besides, the L-1 looks better on the desk. :) I used to have a KW-1. There was a real brute. While I was in the USMC on Okinawa in '59 I used to transmit hour after hour of RTTY messages back home at full legal power plus a little for good measure. I used to work MARS all the time when I was in SEA - loved the ability to REALLY crank it up. :) QRP? HA!!! Anyhoo... My Dad was a rather conservative soul, but when it came to radios, he and his life long friend Fred used to "experiment" with antennas and such. Probably the classic Ed and Fred device was a 75 meter base loaded antenna on his '54 Ford Crown Victoria powered by a homebrew California kilowatt amp excited by his KWM-2. They jury rigged a second generator and battery system to power the whole thing. Occasionally, when the weather was right, you could produce a corona ball off the tip of the antenna which was a sight in and of it'self never mind the base loaded antenna. To keep it upright, they used huge electrical service insulators and manilla rope tied off to the door posts. :) Then there...well, we'll tell that one another time. :) I've seen some really wild mobile contraptions in my day. Your Dad's sounds like a real prize. Heh - Fred had a '58 Chevy wagon and his wife used to complain about all the radio gear he had in the back of it. :) I've done a few things in my day too - like shut feeding a bridge on 160 and actually making a contact with it. :) |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:51:51 -0400, hk wrote:
Ahh...the secret of my success with women.. $100? |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:51:51 -0400, hk wrote: Ahh...the secret of my success with women.. $100? Ahh...you live in a low cost of living area. :) |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:34:20 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: wrote in message .. . Ah yes, the magic blue-green "eye". Anyone remember the old, MacIntosh FM receivers that had a little miniature CRT? It was used to accurately tune the receiver by creating a circular Lissajous pattern. Mid '50's technology, I think. MacIntosh Magic Eye. |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:51:51 -0400, hk wrote:
The only possibility I can think of is that the woman was extremely nearsighted, and couldn't quite focus on me. :) Was probably that Old Spice. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:51:51 -0400, hk wrote: The only possibility I can think of is that the woman was extremely nearsighted, and couldn't quite focus on me. :) Was probably that Old Spice. --Vic Ahhhh! Maybe I should order another liter, er, gallon! |
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On Aug 19, 7:15 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message ... Here's what i have: Fender Blues Deville from the 90's Beautiful tone. Only difference between it and a Hot Rod Deville is the HRDV has overdrive and the BDV doesn't. http://www.alpha-music.com/productca...dcategory=0&id... I looked at a Tweed also, but my mind was set on the Twin before I even got to the music shop. My interest is old school. I very rarely use the overdrive/distortion channels on the other Fender or Vox, and then only to screw around a bit. I like it clean. Eisboch Yeah, chean w/ reverb works for me too. be glad you didn't get a tweed. if anything else, for appearances. They've got a cool vintage type look, however, they get dirty easily and are hard to keep clean. Oh well. I suppose that adds to the "mojo" though. |
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On Aug 19, 7:55 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:04:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:18:19 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:03:07 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message om... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:12 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:kc8ma4lmppfvlcgh1tuladh2lk8c2ghfj8@4ax .com... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:27:22 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:21:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a similar power level solid state monoblock. I think it's safe to say that the old tube amps had more "warmth", just the thing for a cold winter's night in New England. :-) Plus, the extra added advantage of glowing in the dark. Nothing like a dim room and the soft glow of vacuum tubes. :) I should take a picture of my Dad's Collins S-line some evening after dark. Now that's a sight. :) Don't the 30S-1 and 30L-1 use ceramic output tubes? Now the glass tubes in the rx and tx would glow for sure. Only the 30S-1 - cathode drive, ceramic triodes. The 30L-1 uses four 811A glass triodes cathode drive in parallel. Got it, tnx.....memory fart. The only reason I know that is because my Dad had both of them - the S-1 I sold a few years ago because it is much too big for my purposes. Besides, the L-1 looks better on the desk. :) I used to have a KW-1. There was a real brute. While I was in the USMC on Okinawa in '59 I used to transmit hour after hour of RTTY messages back home at full legal power plus a little for good measure. I used to work MARS all the time when I was in SEA - loved the ability to REALLY crank it up. :) QRP? HA!!! Anyhoo... My Dad was a rather conservative soul, but when it came to radios, he and his life long friend Fred used to "experiment" with antennas and such. Probably the classic Ed and Fred device was a 75 meter base loaded antenna on his '54 Ford Crown Victoria powered by a homebrew California kilowatt amp excited by his KWM-2. They jury rigged a second generator and battery system to power the whole thing. Occasionally, when the weather was right, you could produce a corona ball off the tip of the antenna which was a sight in and of it'self never mind the base loaded antenna. To keep it upright, they used huge electrical service insulators and manilla rope tied off to the door posts. :) Then there...well, we'll tell that one another time. :) I've seen some really wild mobile contraptions in my day. Your Dad's sounds like a real prize. Heh - Fred had a '58 Chevy wagon and his wife used to complain about all the radio gear he had in the back of it. :) I've done a few things in my day too - like shut feeding a bridge on 160 and actually making a contact with it. :) Not wishing to speak too soon, but I'm really surprised Larry hasn't barged in here..... |
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On Aug 19, 8:15 pm, hk wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:51:51 -0400, hk wrote: Ahh...the secret of my success with women.. $100? Ahh...you live in a low cost of living area. :) that much? |
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On Aug 19, 8:32 pm, hk wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:51:51 -0400, hk wrote: The only possibility I can think of is that the woman was extremely nearsighted, and couldn't quite focus on me. :) Was probably that Old Spice. --Vic Ahhhh! Maybe I should order another liter, er, gallon! harry, dump a bottle in your fuel tank. I would think it would make a great injector cleaner/octane booster ?;^ Q |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:10:37 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Aug 19, 7:55 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:04:58 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:18:19 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:03:07 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message om... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:12 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message news:kc8ma4lmppfvlcgh1tuladh2lk8c2ghfj8@4ax .com... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:27:22 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:21:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a similar power level solid state monoblock. I think it's safe to say that the old tube amps had more "warmth", just the thing for a cold winter's night in New England. :-) Plus, the extra added advantage of glowing in the dark. Nothing like a dim room and the soft glow of vacuum tubes. :) I should take a picture of my Dad's Collins S-line some evening after dark. Now that's a sight. :) Don't the 30S-1 and 30L-1 use ceramic output tubes? Now the glass tubes in the rx and tx would glow for sure. Only the 30S-1 - cathode drive, ceramic triodes. The 30L-1 uses four 811A glass triodes cathode drive in parallel. Got it, tnx.....memory fart. The only reason I know that is because my Dad had both of them - the S-1 I sold a few years ago because it is much too big for my purposes. Besides, the L-1 looks better on the desk. :) I used to have a KW-1. There was a real brute. While I was in the USMC on Okinawa in '59 I used to transmit hour after hour of RTTY messages back home at full legal power plus a little for good measure. I used to work MARS all the time when I was in SEA - loved the ability to REALLY crank it up. :) QRP? HA!!! Anyhoo... My Dad was a rather conservative soul, but when it came to radios, he and his life long friend Fred used to "experiment" with antennas and such. Probably the classic Ed and Fred device was a 75 meter base loaded antenna on his '54 Ford Crown Victoria powered by a homebrew California kilowatt amp excited by his KWM-2. They jury rigged a second generator and battery system to power the whole thing. Occasionally, when the weather was right, you could produce a corona ball off the tip of the antenna which was a sight in and of it'self never mind the base loaded antenna. To keep it upright, they used huge electrical service insulators and manilla rope tied off to the door posts. :) Then there...well, we'll tell that one another time. :) I've seen some really wild mobile contraptions in my day. Your Dad's sounds like a real prize. Heh - Fred had a '58 Chevy wagon and his wife used to complain about all the radio gear he had in the back of it. :) I've done a few things in my day too - like shut feeding a bridge on 160 and actually making a contact with it. :) Not wishing to speak too soon, but I'm really surprised Larry hasn't barged in here..... I think Larry remembered something and decided to take a powder for a while. And it was shunt feeding a bridge - I need a new keyboard. :) |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:42:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:50:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message m... Yes, and solid state pre amps and power amps are cleaner than tube amps, as well. Clean and accurate reproduction is not necessarily the objective with tube amplifiers for musical instrument amplification. How the power is delivered to tubes can measurably affect things such as rise time and decay. I'm not promising that you can actually hear the difference, but purists will swear they can even if it is a physiological impossibility. If you think about it though, the "power" is really being delivered by one or more big filter capacitors. I never asked one if it cared how the power got there. At that point, DC is DC. Eisboch You would think so, wouldn't you! Bear in mind that a vacuum tube is a mechanical structure and not all of the power is part of the signal path. You have to account for uneven heat, vibration and other anomalies that all go into what come out. The vagaries of a wimpy, tube rectified power supply, with hand rolled paper caps should not be underestimated. Purists will also insist that point to point wiring sounds different than circuit board construction. They may be right about that in some cases. Sounds crazy, though... I'll buy into the point to point wiring. An important critera used in high quality tube amps was to design the chassis so the signal wiring was as far away as possible from the power wiring. And, if you noted any funny noises or distortion, you could always re-route the wires. As for the power supply, I am still not convinced a tube rectifier is going to sound (or display on an O'scope) any different than solid state, if measured at the filter stage or any B+ test point. The audio amplifiers certainly are different between solid state and tubes and that is readily noticeable, even by people with tin ears. But 300 volts DC? Well, good points every one. However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a similar power level solid state monoblock. And I know others who can. So there must be something to it. Maybe it's all in our heads. Mine's certainly empty enough. :) Solid state did great things in the 1940's. Magnetic Amps controlled the 16" guns on the battleships. But Russia used microtubes / micro-valves for the English, in their ICBMs and other rockets. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:09:18 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: I am questioning if anyone can really discern a difference in an amp with tube audio amplifiers that has a solid state, full wave bridge rectifier versus the same tube type amp that also has a tube rectifier section. In both cases, the rectifier, tube or solid state, is simply producing the plate and grid voltages needed for the audio (signal) tube amps. I just don't think that the resultant, filtered high voltage, regardless of source, makes any difference in sound or coloration I agree and you are correct. It's been one of those days - I'm totally out of synch with life, the universe and everything. Additionally, a certain person of my acquaintance (not to mention any names, but first initial Mrs. last initial Wave) cheerfully informed me that retirement is still a ways off because she has some things she wants to accomplish at a national level with her professional association. I can't freakin' win for losing today. :) And you forgot about the old Silicon Rectifiers. |
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On Aug 19, 11:39 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:ukbma459lsj2ktuobsbm1st9sp73piuh2c@4ax .com... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:09:18 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: I am questioning if anyone can really discern a difference in an amp with tube audio amplifiers that has a solid state, full wave bridge rectifier versus the same tube type amp that also has a tube rectifier section. In both cases, the rectifier, tube or solid state, is simply producing the plate and grid voltages needed for the audio (signal) tube amps. I just don't think that the resultant, filtered high voltage, regardless of source, makes any difference in sound or coloration I agree and you are correct. It's been one of those days - I'm totally out of synch with life, the universe and everything. Additionally, a certain person of my acquaintance (not to mention any names, but first initial Mrs. last initial Wave) cheerfully informed me that retirement is still a ways off because she has some things she wants to accomplish at a national level with her professional association. I can't freakin' win for losing today. :) And you forgot about the old Silicon Rectifiers. I have an old Vox bass amp that I made the mistake of leaving sit in a hotern' hot attic for a summer. It weakened the crystals! |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... I think Larry remembered something and decided to take a powder for a while. I seriously believe he didn't know. He shot his mouth off, as usual, speaking in general with another bizzare theory. I don't think he meant it personally. Eisboch |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message m... And you forgot about the old Silicon Rectifiers. You probably mean the old Selenium Rectifiers. The ones that stunk like rotten eggs when they went bad. Eisboch |
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On Aug 20, 2:03 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message m... And you forgot about the old Silicon Rectifiers. You probably mean the old Selenium Rectifiers. The ones that stunk like rotten eggs when they went bad. Eisboch The ones that never were sealed good and even lengthy exposure to humidity would eat them up? A lot of battery chargers are still made with them today. They're not the most efficient and are costly. When they'd go bad, my dad would replace them with truck diodes. that would definitely hold till the transformer went out... |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:31:08 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:42:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:50:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message om... Yes, and solid state pre amps and power amps are cleaner than tube amps, as well. Clean and accurate reproduction is not necessarily the objective with tube amplifiers for musical instrument amplification. How the power is delivered to tubes can measurably affect things such as rise time and decay. I'm not promising that you can actually hear the difference, but purists will swear they can even if it is a physiological impossibility. If you think about it though, the "power" is really being delivered by one or more big filter capacitors. I never asked one if it cared how the power got there. At that point, DC is DC. Eisboch You would think so, wouldn't you! Bear in mind that a vacuum tube is a mechanical structure and not all of the power is part of the signal path. You have to account for uneven heat, vibration and other anomalies that all go into what come out. The vagaries of a wimpy, tube rectified power supply, with hand rolled paper caps should not be underestimated. Purists will also insist that point to point wiring sounds different than circuit board construction. They may be right about that in some cases. Sounds crazy, though... I'll buy into the point to point wiring. An important critera used in high quality tube amps was to design the chassis so the signal wiring was as far away as possible from the power wiring. And, if you noted any funny noises or distortion, you could always re-route the wires. As for the power supply, I am still not convinced a tube rectifier is going to sound (or display on an O'scope) any different than solid state, if measured at the filter stage or any B+ test point. The audio amplifiers certainly are different between solid state and tubes and that is readily noticeable, even by people with tin ears. But 300 volts DC? Well, good points every one. However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a similar power level solid state monoblock. And I know others who can. So there must be something to it. Maybe it's all in our heads. Mine's certainly empty enough. :) Solid state did great things in the 1940's. Magnetic Amps controlled the 16" guns on the battleships. But Russia used microtubes / micro-valves for the English, in their ICBMs and other rockets. In a nuclear attack, the Russian vacuum tube guidance systems have a clear advantage, as they would still work. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message m... And you forgot about the old Silicon Rectifiers. You probably mean the old Selenium Rectifiers. The ones that stunk like rotten eggs when they went bad. Eisboch Rectumfryers is what they were commonly known as. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... I think Larry remembered something and decided to take a powder for a while. I seriously believe he didn't know. He shot his mouth off, as usual, speaking in general with another bizzare theory. I don't think he meant it personally. Eisboch That's what I was thinking. We used to hear that same type argument when the local police & fire dept started hiring quotas of women, minorities etc. There was always talk of standards being lowered..blah blah. The bottom line with Tom's boy...he graduated at the top of his class and a supervisor didn't know there was anything different until he noticed a slight limp. |
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Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... I think Larry remembered something and decided to take a powder for a while. I seriously believe he didn't know. He shot his mouth off, as usual, speaking in general with another bizzare theory. I don't think he meant it personally. Eisboch That's what I was thinking. We used to hear that same type argument when the local police & fire dept started hiring quotas of women, minorities etc. There was always talk of standards being lowered..blah blah. The bottom line with Tom's boy...he graduated at the top of his class and a supervisor didn't know there was anything different until he noticed a slight limp. I've had my arguments with Larry over the years, and there have been times that I've been too sharp with my criticism of him. But as I've mellowed, I've decided Larry really is a good soul, a very decent person, and, like me, an aging lecher. The fact that he believes in so many conspiracy theories troubles me very little these days, considering how many people still believe in GWB. :) |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:44:49 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: I have perfect pitch and for me, it's a curse. In music, perfect pitch is when the banjo lands dead center in the Dumpster without touching the sides. Casady |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:16:53 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:44:49 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I have perfect pitch and for me, it's a curse. In music, perfect pitch is when the banjo lands dead center in the Dumpster without touching the sides. Only if it lands on the bagpipes. --Vic |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:00:26 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . I think Larry remembered something and decided to take a powder for a while. I seriously believe he didn't know. He shot his mouth off, as usual, speaking in general with another bizzare theory. I don't think he meant it personally. Probably, but a while back, I asked him if he knew somebody in the middle of a thread and he disappeared for two months. Never did get an answer. That's what I was relating to - something that happened on the ham bands a long time ago. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:00:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. I think Larry remembered something and decided to take a powder for a while. I seriously believe he didn't know. He shot his mouth off, as usual, speaking in general with another bizzare theory. I don't think he meant it personally. Probably, but a while back, I asked him if he knew somebody in the middle of a thread and he disappeared for two months. Never did get an answer. That's what I was relating to - something that happened on the ham bands a long time ago. I am not sure all Larry's tubes are securely inserted in their sockets. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message m... And you forgot about the old Silicon Rectifiers. You probably mean the old Selenium Rectifiers. The ones that stunk like rotten eggs when they went bad. Eisboch Damn senior moments. Should not forget Selenium as it is a major toxin in the Central Valley of Calif. |
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wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:31:08 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:42:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message m... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:50:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message news:8vtla4plfhaak7i04po0j6tculgmppjguu@4ax. com... Yes, and solid state pre amps and power amps are cleaner than tube amps, as well. Clean and accurate reproduction is not necessarily the objective with tube amplifiers for musical instrument amplification. How the power is delivered to tubes can measurably affect things such as rise time and decay. I'm not promising that you can actually hear the difference, but purists will swear they can even if it is a physiological impossibility. If you think about it though, the "power" is really being delivered by one or more big filter capacitors. I never asked one if it cared how the power got there. At that point, DC is DC. Eisboch You would think so, wouldn't you! Bear in mind that a vacuum tube is a mechanical structure and not all of the power is part of the signal path. You have to account for uneven heat, vibration and other anomalies that all go into what come out. The vagaries of a wimpy, tube rectified power supply, with hand rolled paper caps should not be underestimated. Purists will also insist that point to point wiring sounds different than circuit board construction. They may be right about that in some cases. Sounds crazy, though... I'll buy into the point to point wiring. An important critera used in high quality tube amps was to design the chassis so the signal wiring was as far away as possible from the power wiring. And, if you noted any funny noises or distortion, you could always re-route the wires. As for the power supply, I am still not convinced a tube rectifier is going to sound (or display on an O'scope) any different than solid state, if measured at the filter stage or any B+ test point. The audio amplifiers certainly are different between solid state and tubes and that is readily noticeable, even by people with tin ears. But 300 volts DC? Well, good points every one. However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a similar power level solid state monoblock. And I know others who can. So there must be something to it. Maybe it's all in our heads. Mine's certainly empty enough. :) Solid state did great things in the 1940's. Magnetic Amps controlled the 16" guns on the battleships. But Russia used microtubes / micro-valves for the English, in their ICBMs and other rockets. In a nuclear attack, the Russian vacuum tube guidance systems have a clear advantage, as they would still work. Yes they would survive the EMP. But they also did not have the capability at the time to produce chips. When they went to an I think 8080 chip in one of their missiles was a direct copy of a US one. They probably got stolen masks as there was bad circuit in the design and was just wired around. The bad circuit with wire around was in the Russian built chip. |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:10:40 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:31:08 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:42:06 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message om... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:50:49 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message news:8vtla4plfhaak7i04po0j6tculgmppjguu@4ax .com... Yes, and solid state pre amps and power amps are cleaner than tube amps, as well. Clean and accurate reproduction is not necessarily the objective with tube amplifiers for musical instrument amplification. How the power is delivered to tubes can measurably affect things such as rise time and decay. I'm not promising that you can actually hear the difference, but purists will swear they can even if it is a physiological impossibility. If you think about it though, the "power" is really being delivered by one or more big filter capacitors. I never asked one if it cared how the power got there. At that point, DC is DC. Eisboch You would think so, wouldn't you! Bear in mind that a vacuum tube is a mechanical structure and not all of the power is part of the signal path. You have to account for uneven heat, vibration and other anomalies that all go into what come out. The vagaries of a wimpy, tube rectified power supply, with hand rolled paper caps should not be underestimated. Purists will also insist that point to point wiring sounds different than circuit board construction. They may be right about that in some cases. Sounds crazy, though... I'll buy into the point to point wiring. An important critera used in high quality tube amps was to design the chassis so the signal wiring was as far away as possible from the power wiring. And, if you noted any funny noises or distortion, you could always re-route the wires. As for the power supply, I am still not convinced a tube rectifier is going to sound (or display on an O'scope) any different than solid state, if measured at the filter stage or any B+ test point. The audio amplifiers certainly are different between solid state and tubes and that is readily noticeable, even by people with tin ears. But 300 volts DC? Well, good points every one. However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a similar power level solid state monoblock. And I know others who can. So there must be something to it. Maybe it's all in our heads. Mine's certainly empty enough. :) Solid state did great things in the 1940's. Magnetic Amps controlled the 16" guns on the battleships. But Russia used microtubes / micro-valves for the English, in their ICBMs and other rockets. In a nuclear attack, the Russian vacuum tube guidance systems have a clear advantage, as they would still work. Yes they would survive the EMP. But they also did not have the capability at the time to produce chips. When they went to an I think 8080 chip in one of their missiles was a direct copy of a US one. They probably got stolen masks as there was bad circuit in the design and was just wired around. The bad circuit with wire around was in the Russian built chip. |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:07:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message m... "Calif Bill" wrote in message m... And you forgot about the old Silicon Rectifiers. You probably mean the old Selenium Rectifiers. The ones that stunk like rotten eggs when they went bad. Eisboch Damn senior moments. Should not forget Selenium as it is a major toxin in the Central Valley of Calif. Plants pick it up and concentrate it. Problem is, livestock eat the plants. At least half the elements are toxic, nearly everything heavier than iron. Silver is toxic. They can only use it for skull plates, pins in bones etc, because it is insoluble. You are not allowed to dump spent photo fixer in commercial quantities into the sewers, because of the silver. Casady |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:10:40 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: They probably got stolen masks as there was bad circuit in the design and was just wired around. The bad circuit with wire around was in the Russian built chip. The must have got the masks, since reverse engineering a chip is impossible. I understand eight or more layers are common. To digress,I wouldn't mind having a five by five foot high resolution photo of one to hang on the wall. Casady |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:26:42 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: The above post by you just showed up on Gene's server, along with some of the thread started by Harry, although his original post isn't here ... yet What news reader are you using? Everything coming from Gene's server (I assume it's Gene's server) doesn't thread properly in Agent. |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:07:51 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message om... "Calif Bill" wrote in message m... And you forgot about the old Silicon Rectifiers. You probably mean the old Selenium Rectifiers. The ones that stunk like rotten eggs when they went bad. Eisboch Damn senior moments. Should not forget Selenium as it is a major toxin in the Central Valley of Calif. Plants pick it up and concentrate it. Problem is, livestock eat the plants. At least half the elements are toxic, nearly everything heavier than iron. Silver is toxic. They can only use it for skull plates, pins in bones etc, because it is insoluble. You are not allowed to dump spent photo fixer in commercial quantities into the sewers, because of the silver. Casady The coastal hills in Calif have lots of selenium and the irrigation practices tend to bring lots of salts and the included selenium to the farms. The use drains in the fields to remove the salts and the concentration ponds are extremely toxic. They now do not allow anything to grow around the pond, to keep the birds from nesting there. |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:10:40 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: They probably got stolen masks as there was bad circuit in the design and was just wired around. The bad circuit with wire around was in the Russian built chip. The must have got the masks, since reverse engineering a chip is impossible. I understand eight or more layers are common. To digress,I wouldn't mind having a five by five foot high resolution photo of one to hang on the wall. Casady I have 8x11 shots of DSP's. Even a few DSP's from a wafer. The wafer over the years has gotten more and more broken. Was an Apps engineer for TI in one of my careers. 8080 probably only had 4-6 layers. Reverse engineering is not impossible, just not financially practical. We actually opened up chips and changed connections on prototype custom chips. Mostly when the customer screwed up. They design the chip and run simulations. And they forget to connect a section to another output stage. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:26:42 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: The above post by you just showed up on Gene's server, along with some of the thread started by Harry, although his original post isn't here ... yet What news reader are you using? Everything coming from Gene's server (I assume it's Gene's server) doesn't thread properly in Agent. Many don't thread correctly in OE either. That applies to msgs posted thru the greatnowhere.com server and retrieved from giganews in my case. |
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:41:22 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Everything coming from Gene's server (I assume it's Gene's server) doesn't thread properly in Agent. Threading is done on the References Header. Anything looking funky there? |
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