Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.

I would love to hear your comments.

http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:04:08 -0400, RPS wrote:


Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.

I would love to hear your comments.

http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study

I really like all three of them, but the first one is a little darker
than I would like to see. It seems very contrasty, but the effect is
ethereal in a sense. I think if you grayed up the black a touch it
might be better.

Over all, I like the third image as the best of the three - nice
balance and a fairly neutral gray scale - the detail is perfect and
you capture a sense of strength and grace of the animal. It also
shows off the fine detail of the neck hair which is impressive - a
little more than the other two in particular with that figured
background.

I'd say one and three - the middle image is just so-so - seems like a
compromise.

Just for yucks, revist the original image and tinker with the
histogram a little - maybe reduce the background a touch with the
first two images.

You know what would be really cool would be to do a graduated montage
from one to the third - I think a panoramic view with a little
tinkering would be impressive.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

RPS wrote:

Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.

I would love to hear your comments.

http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study





It seems appropriate the newsgroup's leading horse's ass would be out
taking barely distinguishable photos of a horse's front.

Yousuf Karsh's reputation is secure.


Keep your day job at the Snark Farm.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

On Jul 23, 9:44*am, HK wrote:
RPS wrote:

Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.

I would love to hear your comments.

http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study

It seems appropriate the newsgroup's leading horse's ass would be out
taking barely distinguishable photos of a horse's front.

Yousuf Karsh's reputation is secure.

Keep your day job at the Snark Farm.

Wow, that is SO cultured and refined! Your photographic and artistic
editorial above proves that without a doubt.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

On Jul 23, 9:44*am, HK wrote:
RPS wrote:

Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.

I would love to hear your comments.

http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study

It seems appropriate the newsgroup's leading horse's ass would be out
taking barely distinguishable photos of a horse's front.

Yousuf Karsh's reputation is secure.

Keep your day job at the Snark Farm.

It seems appropriate the newsgroup's leading horse's ass would be
out
taking barely distinguishable photos of a horse's front.

Thats a no ****ter.......

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

HK wrote:
RPS wrote:

Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.

I would love to hear your comments.

http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study





It seems appropriate the newsgroup's leading horse's ass would be out
taking barely distinguishable photos of a horse's front.

Yousuf Karsh's reputation is secure.


Keep your day job at the Snark Farm.

Harry,
Can I take this to mean that you didn't like the photo?

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:04:08 -0400, RPS wrote:

Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.

I would love to hear your comments.

http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study

I really like all three of them, but the first one is a little darker
than I would like to see. It seems very contrasty, but the effect is
ethereal in a sense. I think if you grayed up the black a touch it
might be better.

Over all, I like the third image as the best of the three - nice
balance and a fairly neutral gray scale - the detail is perfect and
you capture a sense of strength and grace of the animal. It also
shows off the fine detail of the neck hair which is impressive - a
little more than the other two in particular with that figured
background.

I'd say one and three - the middle image is just so-so - seems like a
compromise.

Just for yucks, revist the original image and tinker with the
histogram a little - maybe reduce the background a touch with the
first two images.

You know what would be really cool would be to do a graduated montage
from one to the third - I think a panoramic view with a little
tinkering would be impressive.


I agree with you. The 3rd image is the one i sent in to get developed.
I sent it to a professional developer and I had them do a test run on a
8x10 to see how it would look. The photo had so many layers in
Photoshop The histogram was played with multiple times, to darken and
highlight different parts of the photo. (I think it was about 12-15
different layers, playing with the histogram, curves, exposure and
contrast, all with masking effects). The developers tell me it can
cause havoc with their ROS system. They recommended using a test print
anytime you use layers and masks.

The real pros will pay $25 to go in and help set up the image before
they print it. I think my $5 test run is a better option for me.

As far as your suggestion, it is a good one, and I might just tackle that.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:13:10 -0400, RPS wrote:

HK wrote:
RPS wrote:

Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.

I would love to hear your comments.

http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study





It seems appropriate the newsgroup's leading horse's ass would be out
taking barely distinguishable photos of a horse's front.

Yousuf Karsh's reputation is secure.


Keep your day job at the Snark Farm.

Harry,
Can I take this to mean that you didn't like the photo?

No. From Harry, that's a compliment.

(Now, pay attention to how many people say something to him for
name-calling.)

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

On Jul 23, 2:27*pm, RPS wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:04:08 -0400, RPS wrote:

Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.

I would love to hear your comments.

http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study

I really like all three of them, but the first one is a little darker
than I would like to see. *It seems very contrasty, but the effect is
ethereal in a sense. I think if you grayed up the black a touch it
might be better.

Over all, I like the third image as the best of the three - nice
balance and a fairly neutral gray scale - the detail is perfect and
you capture a sense of strength and grace of the animal. *It also
shows off the fine detail of the neck hair which is impressive - a
little more than the other two in particular with that figured
background.

I'd say one and three - the middle image is just so-so - seems like a
compromise.

Just for yucks, revist the original image and tinker with the
histogram a little - maybe reduce the background a touch with the
first two images. *

You know what would be really cool would be to do a graduated montage
from one to the third - I think a panoramic view with a little
tinkering would be impressive.

I agree with you. *The 3rd image is the one i sent in to get developed.
I sent it to a professional developer and I had them do a test run on a
8x10 to see how it would look. *The photo had so many layers in
Photoshop *The histogram was played with multiple times, to darken and
highlight different parts of the photo. * (I think it was about 12-15
different layers, playing with the histogram, curves, exposure and
contrast, all with masking effects). *The developers tell me it can
cause havoc with their ROS system. * They recommended using a test print
anytime you use layers and masks.

The real pros will pay $25 to go in and help set up the image before
they print it. *I think my $5 test run is a better option for me.

As far as your suggestion, it is a good one, and I might just tackle that..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry could have done all of that in a matter of minutes, just ask him.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:13:10 -0400, RPS wrote:

HK wrote:
RPS wrote:
Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.

I would love to hear your comments.

http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study




It seems appropriate the newsgroup's leading horse's ass would be out
taking barely distinguishable photos of a horse's front.

Yousuf Karsh's reputation is secure.


Keep your day job at the Snark Farm.
Harry,
Can I take this to mean that you didn't like the photo?

No. From Harry, that's a compliment.

(Now, pay attention to how many people say something to him for
name-calling.)

JohnH,

Well maybe they all agree with him. Either way, I liked it and it was
the effect I was going after. The subject matter for this month's
meeting is "Animals" and I wanted to do a different photo from any other
animal photos I had seen. i wanted to use negative space similar to
what you see in "artistic nudes". Where it isn't what you see, but what
you don't see that grabs your attention. While it would be nice if
everyone LOVED it, no one else really has to like it, because I liked it.

The Society always bring in a different professional photographer who
makes a presentation and then critiques all photo submission. As I
said, I do learn a lot from constructive criticisms, and for some, "You
Suck" is about all one can expect.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:13:07 -0400, RPS wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:13:10 -0400, RPS wrote:

HK wrote:
RPS wrote:
Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.

I would love to hear your comments.

http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study




It seems appropriate the newsgroup's leading horse's ass would be out
taking barely distinguishable photos of a horse's front.

Yousuf Karsh's reputation is secure.


Keep your day job at the Snark Farm.
Harry,
Can I take this to mean that you didn't like the photo?

No. From Harry, that's a compliment.

(Now, pay attention to how many people say something to him for
name-calling.)

JohnH,

Well maybe they all agree with him. Either way, I liked it and it was
the effect I was going after. The subject matter for this month's
meeting is "Animals" and I wanted to do a different photo from any other
animal photos I had seen. i wanted to use negative space similar to
what you see in "artistic nudes". Where it isn't what you see, but what
you don't see that grabs your attention. While it would be nice if
everyone LOVED it, no one else really has to like it, because I liked it.

The Society always bring in a different professional photographer who
makes a presentation and then critiques all photo submission. As I
said, I do learn a lot from constructive criticisms, and for some, "You
Suck" is about all one can expect.

Remember the Owls!

That shows the 'photographer' you're dealing with.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, RPS wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:04:08 -0400, RPS wrote:
Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.
I would love to hear your comments.
http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study
I really like all three of them, but the first one is a little darker
than I would like to see. It seems very contrasty, but the effect is
ethereal in a sense. I think if you grayed up the black a touch it
might be better.
Over all, I like the third image as the best of the three - nice
balance and a fairly neutral gray scale - the detail is perfect and
you capture a sense of strength and grace of the animal. It also
shows off the fine detail of the neck hair which is impressive - a
little more than the other two in particular with that figured
background.
I'd say one and three - the middle image is just so-so - seems like a
compromise.
Just for yucks, revist the original image and tinker with the
histogram a little - maybe reduce the background a touch with the
first two images.
You know what would be really cool would be to do a graduated montage
from one to the third - I think a panoramic view with a little
tinkering would be impressive.
I agree with you. The 3rd image is the one i sent in to get developed.
I sent it to a professional developer and I had them do a test run on a
8x10 to see how it would look. The photo had so many layers in
Photoshop The histogram was played with multiple times, to darken and
highlight different parts of the photo. (I think it was about 12-15
different layers, playing with the histogram, curves, exposure and
contrast, all with masking effects). The developers tell me it can
cause havoc with their ROS system. They recommended using a test print
anytime you use layers and masks.

The real pros will pay $25 to go in and help set up the image before
they print it. I think my $5 test run is a better option for me.

As far as your suggestion, it is a good one, and I might just tackle that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry could have done all of that in a matter of minutes, just ask him.

Well I am just a rookie amateur trying to learn a new hobby. Harry has
been doing photography for many years, and is considered by many to be
the next Charles C. Ebbets . I have seen some of his Harry's
photographic work, so it gives me something to strive for. Who can
forget the photos of his hour meter, or the boat on the trailer with the
gravel and weeds growing around it. My personal favorite was the one of
his new driveway.

I think one reason I enjoy photography is have NEVER done any kind of
art, so it is a completely new experience. They say learning new skills
will keep your mind young and reduce the incidence of Alzheimer. I
figure if I can enjoy myself when keeping my mind young, I still come
out ahead, even if people think my artwork sucks.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:22:40 -0400, RPS wrote:

They say learning new skills will keep your mind young and reduce
the incidence of Alzheimer.

Absouitely true.

What were we talking aboiut?

Who are you again?

I figure if I can enjoy myself when keeping my mind young, I still
come out ahead, even if people think my artwork sucks.

You are getting better and you started at a high level.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:22:40 -0400, RPS wrote:

They say learning new skills will keep your mind young and reduce
the incidence of Alzheimer.

Absouitely true.

What were we talking aboiut?

Who are you again?


They say the mind is the 2nd thing to go. I can't remember the first.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

wrote:
On Jul 23, 9:44 am, HK wrote:
RPS wrote:

Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.
I would love to hear your comments.
http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study
It seems appropriate the newsgroup's leading horse's ass would be out
taking barely distinguishable photos of a horse's front.

Yousuf Karsh's reputation is secure.

Keep your day job at the Snark Farm.

Wow, that is SO cultured and refined! Your photographic and artistic
editorial above proves that without a doubt.

WAFA has spoken. He simply has no more to offer.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

RPS wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, RPS wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 09:04:08 -0400, RPS wrote:
Here is a photo I took of a horse who loved boating.
I would love to hear your comments.
http://tinyurl.com/B-W-Study
I really like all three of them, but the first one is a little darker
than I would like to see. It seems very contrasty, but the effect is
ethereal in a sense. I think if you grayed up the black a touch it
might be better.
Over all, I like the third image as the best of the three - nice
balance and a fairly neutral gray scale - the detail is perfect and
you capture a sense of strength and grace of the animal. It also
shows off the fine detail of the neck hair which is impressive - a
little more than the other two in particular with that figured
background.
I'd say one and three - the middle image is just so-so - seems like a
compromise.
Just for yucks, revist the original image and tinker with the
histogram a little - maybe reduce the background a touch with the
first two images. You know what would be really cool would be to do
a graduated montage
from one to the third - I think a panoramic view with a little
tinkering would be impressive.
I agree with you. The 3rd image is the one i sent in to get developed.
I sent it to a professional developer and I had them do a test run on a
8x10 to see how it would look. The photo had so many layers in
Photoshop The histogram was played with multiple times, to darken and
highlight different parts of the photo. (I think it was about 12-15
different layers, playing with the histogram, curves, exposure and
contrast, all with masking effects). The developers tell me it can
cause havoc with their ROS system. They recommended using a test print
anytime you use layers and masks.

The real pros will pay $25 to go in and help set up the image before
they print it. I think my $5 test run is a better option for me.

As far as your suggestion, it is a good one, and I might just tackle
that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Harry could have done all of that in a matter of minutes, just ask him.

Well I am just a rookie amateur trying to learn a new hobby. Harry has
been doing photography for many years, and is considered by many to be
the next Charles C. Ebbets . I have seen some of his Harry's
photographic work, so it gives me something to strive for. Who can
forget the photos of his hour meter, or the boat on the trailer with the
gravel and weeds growing around it. My personal favorite was the one of
his new driveway.


Don't forget his "office" with the $29.00 chair that was previously
advertised as a completely different chair that would go for $700 or so.
Or the printer/fax, whatever, with the WalMart sticker on it. WAFA
is so pathetic that it's comical.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, RPS wrote:

Well I am just a rookie amateur trying to learn a new hobby. Harry
has been doing photography for many years, and is considered by many
to be the next Charles C. Ebbets . I have seen some of his Harry's
photographic work, so it gives me something to strive for. Who can
forget the photos of his hour meter, or the boat on the trailer with
the gravel and weeds growing around it. My personal favorite was the
one of his new driveway.

Reggie's horsey photos were poorly lit. What else is there to say
about them?

What's next, Reggie? Your take on polar bears in snow storms? Black
cats in coal mines?

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, RPS wrote:

Well I am just a rookie amateur trying to learn a new hobby. Harry
has been doing photography for many years, and is considered by many
to be the next Charles C. Ebbets . I have seen some of his Harry's
photographic work, so it gives me something to strive for. Who can
forget the photos of his hour meter, or the boat on the trailer with
the gravel and weeds growing around it. My personal favorite was the
one of his new driveway.

Reggie's horsey photos were poorly lit. What else is there to say about
them?

What's next, Reggie? Your take on polar bears in snow storms? Black
cats in coal mines?



Actually except for some a little additional light on half of his face,
the lighting was exactly the way I wanted it. I did want to take a with
back lighting to highlight the hair and silhouette. Most of the black
was done with layers, cutting the exposure down to 0 and then masking
where I wanted the "correct" exposure to come thru the layer. I would
then do a contrast layer to darken it even more, and then use a
selective mask off where I wanted to just add a little contrast. The
rest of it was darken by cloning in the black and selective dodging. I
wish I could blame the photo on poor lighting, but that photo was time
consuming. Not everyone can create artwork as beautiful as yours. I
spent a lot of time to create that POS.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

RPS wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, RPS wrote:

Well I am just a rookie amateur trying to learn a new hobby. Harry
has been doing photography for many years, and is considered by many
to be the next Charles C. Ebbets . I have seen some of his Harry's
photographic work, so it gives me something to strive for. Who can
forget the photos of his hour meter, or the boat on the trailer with
the gravel and weeds growing around it. My personal favorite was
the one of his new driveway.

Reggie's horsey photos were poorly lit. What else is there to say
about them?

What's next, Reggie? Your take on polar bears in snow storms? Black
cats in coal mines?



Actually except for some a little additional light on half of his face,
the lighting was exactly the way I wanted it. I did want to take a with
back lighting to highlight the hair and silhouette. Most of the black
was done with layers, cutting the exposure down to 0 and then masking
where I wanted the "correct" exposure to come thru the layer. I would
then do a contrast layer to darken it even more, and then use a
selective mask off where I wanted to just add a little contrast. The
rest of it was darken by cloning in the black and selective dodging. I
wish I could blame the photo on poor lighting, but that photo was time
consuming. Not everyone can create artwork as beautiful as yours. I
spent a lot of time to create that POS.

I'm glad you wasted your time. Don't worry about posting your next work
of art...it's right he

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...aneous/pbs.jpg



BTW, there are several good "picture books" out there on how to take
photos of horsies. If Atlanta has a library, maybe you should check out one.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

HK wrote:
RPS wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, RPS wrote:

Well I am just a rookie amateur trying to learn a new hobby. Harry
has been doing photography for many years, and is considered by
many to be the next Charles C. Ebbets . I have seen some of his
Harry's photographic work, so it gives me something to strive for.
Who can forget the photos of his hour meter, or the boat on the
trailer with the gravel and weeds growing around it. My personal
favorite was the one of his new driveway.

Reggie's horsey photos were poorly lit. What else is there to say
about them?

What's next, Reggie? Your take on polar bears in snow storms? Black
cats in coal mines?



Actually except for some a little additional light on half of his
face, the lighting was exactly the way I wanted it. I did want to
take a with back lighting to highlight the hair and silhouette. Most
of the black was done with layers, cutting the exposure down to 0 and
then masking where I wanted the "correct" exposure to come thru the
layer. I would then do a contrast layer to darken it even more, and
then use a selective mask off where I wanted to just add a little
contrast. The rest of it was darken by cloning in the black and
selective dodging. I wish I could blame the photo on poor lighting,
but that photo was time consuming. Not everyone can create artwork as
beautiful as yours. I spent a lot of time to create that POS.

I'm glad you wasted your time. Don't worry about posting your next work
of art...it's right he

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...aneous/pbs.jpg

(Polar Bear in Snowstorm...photoshopped by Real Pile of Schitt)



BTW, there are several good "picture books" out there on how to take
photos of horsies. If Atlanta has a library, maybe you should check out
one.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

HK wrote:
RPS wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, RPS wrote:

Well I am just a rookie amateur trying to learn a new hobby. Harry
has been doing photography for many years, and is considered by
many to be the next Charles C. Ebbets . I have seen some of his
Harry's photographic work, so it gives me something to strive for.
Who can forget the photos of his hour meter, or the boat on the
trailer with the gravel and weeds growing around it. My personal
favorite was the one of his new driveway.

Reggie's horsey photos were poorly lit. What else is there to say
about them?

What's next, Reggie? Your take on polar bears in snow storms? Black
cats in coal mines?



Actually except for some a little additional light on half of his
face, the lighting was exactly the way I wanted it. I did want to
take a with back lighting to highlight the hair and silhouette. Most
of the black was done with layers, cutting the exposure down to 0 and
then masking where I wanted the "correct" exposure to come thru the
layer. I would then do a contrast layer to darken it even more, and
then use a selective mask off where I wanted to just add a little
contrast. The rest of it was darken by cloning in the black and
selective dodging. I wish I could blame the photo on poor lighting,
but that photo was time consuming. Not everyone can create artwork as
beautiful as yours. I spent a lot of time to create that POS.

I'm glad you wasted your time. Don't worry about posting your next work
of art...it's right he

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...aneous/pbs.jpg



BTW, there are several good "picture books" out there on how to take
photos of horsies. If Atlanta has a library, maybe you should check out
one.



Very nice polar bear in a snow storm. I have to be honest, except for
the owl photo you "borrowed" from someone else's web site, that is the
best photo you have posted here. I will have to check out those picture
books, do most cities have liberties?

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

HK wrote:
HK wrote:
RPS wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, RPS wrote:

Well I am just a rookie amateur trying to learn a new hobby.
Harry has been doing photography for many years, and is considered
by many to be the next Charles C. Ebbets . I have seen some of
his Harry's photographic work, so it gives me something to strive
for. Who can forget the photos of his hour meter, or the boat on
the trailer with the gravel and weeds growing around it. My
personal favorite was the one of his new driveway.

Reggie's horsey photos were poorly lit. What else is there to say
about them?

What's next, Reggie? Your take on polar bears in snow storms? Black
cats in coal mines?



Actually except for some a little additional light on half of his
face, the lighting was exactly the way I wanted it. I did want to
take a with back lighting to highlight the hair and silhouette. Most
of the black was done with layers, cutting the exposure down to 0 and
then masking where I wanted the "correct" exposure to come thru the
layer. I would then do a contrast layer to darken it even more, and
then use a selective mask off where I wanted to just add a little
contrast. The rest of it was darken by cloning in the black and
selective dodging. I wish I could blame the photo on poor lighting,
but that photo was time consuming. Not everyone can create artwork
as beautiful as yours. I spent a lot of time to create that POS.

I'm glad you wasted your time. Don't worry about posting your next
work of art...it's right he

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...aneous/pbs.jpg

(Polar Bear in Snowstorm...photoshopped by Real Pile of Schitt)



BTW, there are several good "picture books" out there on how to take
photos of horsies. If Atlanta has a library, maybe you should check
out one.


Harry,
I think you are being too critical of your art. Post some more photos
you are proud of, we all would love to see them.

Ping Tom - A boating horse
 

On Jul 23, 8:04*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jul 23, 2:27 pm, RPS wrote:
Well I am just a rookie amateur trying to learn a new hobby. *Harry
has been doing photography for many years, and is considered by many
to be the next Charles C. Ebbets . *I have seen some of his Harry's
photographic work, so it gives me something to strive for. *Who can
forget the photos of his hour meter, or the boat on the trailer with
the gravel and weeds growing around it. *My personal favorite was the
one of his new driveway.

* Reggie's horsey photos were poorly lit. What else is there to say
about them?

Well, I see you are artistically ignorant.