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ordered a new swee****er pontoon boat several years ago- all the bells and whistles- Fast forward to today---divorce left me with peace of mind- but no boat--lol. I am in the market once again- not for a spouse, but for a new pontoon boat--. I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat- I would like a boat with fiberglass seating and flooring that is not carpeted. I would like a good 90hp outboard engine. What company makes a great quality float boat - that can be used for pleasure and fishing. Guys- please help. I live in Myrtle Beach SC and want this boat for the intracoastal waterway etc. In my opinion, when I want a padded seat, I can place a good cushion on there- otherwise- I want something that will withstand the elements and not looking for the glamour. I suppose there is a particular company that makes this- but I have yet to find it. Thanks for all helo -- Posted at author's request, using moderated http://www.BoatingForumz.com interface Thread archive: http://www.BoatingForumz.com/advice-ftopict99527.html |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:22:18 -0500, dinker wrote:
I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat- I would like a boat with fiberglass seating and flooring that is not carpeted. http://www.godfreymarine.com/ I would like a good 90hp outboard engine. Evinrude ETEC 90 hp. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:22:18 -0500, dinker wrote: I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat- I would like a boat with fiberglass seating and flooring that is not carpeted. http://www.godfreymarine.com/ I would like a good 90hp outboard engine. Evinrude ETEC 90 hp. Is that the engine that has had all the problems, ie blowing up and killing everyone on board? |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:22:18 -0500, dinker wrote: I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat- I would like a boat with fiberglass seating and flooring that is not carpeted. http://www.godfreymarine.com/ I would like a good 90hp outboard engine. Evinrude ETEC 90 hp. Is that the engine that has had all the problems, ie blowing up and killing everyone on board? Is this sort of snarky stupidity on your part, "reggie," really necessary? |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:22:18 -0500, dinker wrote: I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat- I would like a boat with fiberglass seating and flooring that is not carpeted. http://www.godfreymarine.com/ I would like a good 90hp outboard engine. Evinrude ETEC 90 hp. Is that the engine that has had all the problems, ie blowing up and killing everyone on board? Is this sort of snarky stupidity on your part, "reggie," really necessary? No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark. Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle Yamaha engines. The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. I am sorry it offended you. |
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On Jun 12, 7:50*am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here
wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:22:18 -0500, dinker wrote: I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat- I would like a boat with fiberglass seating and flooring that is not carpeted. http://www.godfreymarine.com/ I would like a good 90hp outboard engine. Evinrude ETEC 90 hp. Is that the engine that has had all the problems, ie blowing up and killing everyone on board? Is this sort of snarky stupidity on your part, "reggie," really necessary? No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark. Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle Yamaha engines. The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. *I am sorry it offended you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - In his quest to become part of the group once more, this particular stooge has been ignored so much that he's now resorted to interjecting his tripe and hate into other's conversations. Ignore him. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:22:18 -0500, dinker wrote: I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat- I would like a boat with fiberglass seating and flooring that is not carpeted. http://www.godfreymarine.com/ I would like a good 90hp outboard engine. Evinrude ETEC 90 hp. Is that the engine that has had all the problems, ie blowing up and killing everyone on board? Is this sort of snarky stupidity on your part, "reggie," really necessary? No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark. Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle Yamaha engines. The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. I am sorry it offended you. Ever the useless asshole here, aren't you, Reggie? |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:50:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote: No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark. Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle Yamaha engines. The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. I am sorry it offended you. Those of us who have been around a while surely caught the intended humor. My concern is that the original poster is a newbie here and may very well be shaking his head in confusion. As an FYI to the OP, one of our resident experts on pontoon boats is "gfretwell" from south Florida. Regarding outboards, any of the leading brands will probably serve you well. Take a look at what other people in your area are using and ask around about quality of dealer service. For what it's worth, 2 strokes have better low end torque than 4 strokes, are usually lighter and easier to service. 4 strokes are quieter and require no mixing or injection of oil with the fuel. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:50:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark. Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle Yamaha engines. The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. I am sorry it offended you. Those of us who have been around a while surely caught the intended humor. My concern is that the original poster is a newbie here and may very well be shaking his head in confusion. As an FYI to the OP, one of our resident experts on pontoon boats is "gfretwell" from south Florida. Regarding outboards, any of the leading brands will probably serve you well. Take a look at what other people in your area are using and ask around about quality of dealer service. For what it's worth, 2 strokes have better low end torque than 4 strokes, are usually lighter and easier to service. 4 strokes are quieter and require no mixing or injection of oil with the fuel. Modern higher horsepower outboards are *not* easy to service, period. It doesn't matter whether you have a high tech two stroke or a four stroke. You're going to need special knowledge, special training, and special tools, including computer software and the mechanism to get readings off the engine's I/O port if you are messing around "under the hood beyond changing the spark plugs. As for weight, I'm not sure how much it matters in the larger engines. The 150 hp Evinrude eTec two stroke, for example, displaces about 2.7 liters and weighs 427 pounds. The 150 hp four stroke Yamaha has about the same displacement and weighs 466 pounds (the Evinrude site has the wrong weight on the Yamaha 150). Negligible weight difference. In real world tests, the two engines would perform about the same under most operating conditions. The rather outrageous claims I have seen for eTec fuel burn could only be true if the Evinrude engineers have figured out how to cheat the laws of physics. |
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"dinker" wrote
What company makes a great quality float boat - that can be used for pleasure and fishing. I can't speak from experience, but I always thought deck boats like the Lowe "Tahiti" series offered most of what one would want in a pontoon boot with some of the advantages of a conventional hull. |
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On Jun 12, 9:04*am, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote: "dinker" wrote What company makes a great quality float boat - that can be used for pleasure and fishing. I can't speak from experience, but I always thought deck boats like the Lowe "Tahiti" series offered most of what one would want in a pontoon boot with some of the advantages of a conventional hull. Same here, I'd like to give one a good shakedown sometime. |
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On Jun 12, 10:31*am, wrote:
On Jun 12, 9:04*am, "Ernest Scribbler" wrote: "dinker" wrote What company makes a great quality float boat - that can be used for pleasure and fishing. I can't speak from experience, but I always thought deck boats like the Lowe "Tahiti" series offered most of what one would want in a pontoon boot with some of the advantages of a conventional hull. Same here, I'd like to give one a good shakedown sometime. Yea, they look pretty good and have the best of both worlds on protected water. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:38:03 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:22:18 -0500, dinker wrote: I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat- I would like a boat with fiberglass seating and flooring that is not carpeted. http://www.godfreymarine.com/ I would like a good 90hp outboard engine. Evinrude ETEC 90 hp. Is that the engine that has had all the problems, ie blowing up and killing everyone on board? Nice. Yuck yuck. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:50:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:22:18 -0500, dinker wrote: I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat- I would like a boat with fiberglass seating and flooring that is not carpeted. http://www.godfreymarine.com/ I would like a good 90hp outboard engine. Evinrude ETEC 90 hp. Is that the engine that has had all the problems, ie blowing up and killing everyone on board? Is this sort of snarky stupidity on your part, "reggie," really necessary? No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark. Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle Yamaha engines. The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. I am sorry it offended you. It didn't offend me - I know it was funny, but funny about 50 posts in when Harry starts whining about his Yamaha being this, that and the other thing and we start beating each other up. :) The guy is a newbie remember - he's not up for the verbal jousting required by the Yamaha/Evinrude duel between me and Harry. :) |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:23:52 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:50:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark. Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle Yamaha engines. The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. I am sorry it offended you. Those of us who have been around a while surely caught the intended humor. My concern is that the original poster is a newbie here and may very well be shaking his head in confusion. As an FYI to the OP, one of our resident experts on pontoon boats is "gfretwell" from south Florida. Regarding outboards, any of the leading brands will probably serve you well. Take a look at what other people in your area are using and ask around about quality of dealer service. For what it's worth, 2 strokes have better low end torque than 4 strokes, are usually lighter and easier to service. 4 strokes are quieter and require no mixing or injection of oil with the fuel. Ahem.... ETEC's don't require mixing either, use less oil that conventional four strokes (taking into consideration regular oil changes), are quieter than any four stroke on the market (I have that on tape by the way - guy up at the lake the other day with his Yamaha repowered Stratos bass boat - snerk) are are clearly superior to any four stroke on the market which has to be correct being the clearly superior type of person that I am. :) As to easier to repair? Not so much - about the same actually if only because of the complex EMM system. TWO STROKE RULES!!! FOUR STROKE DROOLS!!! PS: Aren't your diesels two stroke? |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:40:45 -0400, HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 07:50:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark. Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle Yamaha engines. The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. I am sorry it offended you. Those of us who have been around a while surely caught the intended humor. My concern is that the original poster is a newbie here and may very well be shaking his head in confusion. As an FYI to the OP, one of our resident experts on pontoon boats is "gfretwell" from south Florida. Regarding outboards, any of the leading brands will probably serve you well. Take a look at what other people in your area are using and ask around about quality of dealer service. For what it's worth, 2 strokes have better low end torque than 4 strokes, are usually lighter and easier to service. 4 strokes are quieter and require no mixing or injection of oil with the fuel. Modern higher horsepower outboards are *not* easy to service, period. It doesn't matter whether you have a high tech two stroke or a four stroke. You're going to need special knowledge, special training, and special tools, including computer software and the mechanism to get readings off the engine's I/O port if you are messing around "under the hood beyond changing the spark plugs. Well - I"m....shocked. Both types of engines are very complex, but not nececssarily difficult to work on. I won't work on mine even thought I have the software and manuals - don't want to mess up the seven year full parts/labor warranty. Um..speaking of which, has the warranty on your Yamaha run out yet? I know it's only, like, what - one year old? :) As for weight, I'm not sure how much it matters in the larger engines. The 150 hp Evinrude eTec two stroke, for example, displaces about 2.7 liters and weighs 427 pounds. The 150 hp four stroke Yamaha has about the same displacement and weighs 466 pounds (the Evinrude site has the wrong weight on the Yamaha 150). Negligible weight difference. No they don't. That's exactly what the Yamaha weighs with oil/gear oil/filters/plugs, prop and belts. In real world tests, the two engines would perform about the same under most operating conditions. The rather outrageous claims I have seen for eTec fuel burn could only be true if the Evinrude engineers have figured out how to cheat the laws of physics. Not outrageous at all. Why do you think most commercial types are going Evinrude - maybe because the fuel milage (on mine, 3.78 gph on average) is FAR SUPERIOR to any four stoke and in particular Yamaha? Tooling around this morning at idle - amazing fuel flow reading .2GPH. Point two - not bad huh? Besides - who would want an engine with a tuning fork emblem on it? :) |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:40:45 -0400, HK wrote: Modern higher horsepower outboards are *not* easy to service, period. It doesn't matter whether you have a high tech two stroke or a four stroke. You're going to need special knowledge, special training, and special tools, including computer software and the mechanism to get readings off the engine's I/O port if you are messing around "under the hood beyond changing the spark plugs. Well - I"m....shocked. Both types of engines are very complex, but not nececssarily difficult to work on. I won't work on mine even thought I have the software and manuals - don't want to mess up the seven year full parts/labor warranty. Um..speaking of which, has the warranty on your Yamaha run out yet? I know it's only, like, what - one year old? :) Six year warranty. As for weight, I'm not sure how much it matters in the larger engines. The 150 hp Evinrude eTec two stroke, for example, displaces about 2.7 liters and weighs 427 pounds. The 150 hp four stroke Yamaha has about the same displacement and weighs 466 pounds (the Evinrude site has the wrong weight on the Yamaha 150). Negligible weight difference. No they don't. That's exactly what the Yamaha weighs with oil/gear oil/filters/plugs, prop and belts. Source? My source is my Yamaha manual. Weight with prop, 467 pounds. In real world tests, the two engines would perform about the same under most operating conditions. The rather outrageous claims I have seen for eTec fuel burn could only be true if the Evinrude engineers have figured out how to cheat the laws of physics. Not outrageous at all. Why do you think most commercial types are going Evinrude - maybe because the fuel milage (on mine, 3.78 gph on average) is FAR SUPERIOR to any four stoke and in particular Yamaha? Cite, please, for "most commercial types are going Evinrude..." There aren't many down here. Maybe Evinrude isn't trying to buy market share down here... Cite, please, for fuel usage figures, and not from that wild little Evinrude promo video that's on TV. Tooling around this morning at idle - amazing fuel flow reading .2GPH. Point two - not bad huh? Besides - who would want an engine with a tuning fork emblem on it? :) If I run my Yamaha at 600 rpm, I get that sort of gph, too. So what? Tuning fork? Feh. Who wants a French outboard? :) |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:22:18 -0500, dinker wrote: I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat- I would like a boat with fiberglass seating and flooring that is not carpeted. http://www.godfreymarine.com/ I would like a good 90hp outboard engine. Evinrude ETEC 90 hp. Is that the engine that has had all the problems, ie blowing up and killing everyone on board? Is this sort of snarky stupidity on your part, "reggie," really necessary? No, it was not a snarky remark, it was a very cute humorous remark. Everyone knows the ETEC is a great engine, with a higher power/torgue ratio and better fuel efficiency than the overweight and bloated 4 cycle Yamaha engines. The humorous comment was directed to SWS not to you. I am sorry it offended you. Don't respond to the asshole. Your remark was typical of his over the years - despite the fact that you were kidding. He's simply trolling for attention now. |
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On Jun 12, 7:50 pm, DK wrote:
Don't respond to the asshole. Your remark was typical of his over the years - despite the fact that you were kidding. He's simply trolling for attention now. Yet another example of a rec.boats regular trying to improve the tone and quality of this group. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:07:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: PS: Aren't your diesels two stroke? Oh yes. You've got to love that sound. :-) We once got chewed out by a guy in a small sail boat for making too much noise. They guy had a lot of nerve actually since he was a former tug boat captain. I explained to him the the sound of a big pair of DD 2 strokes was "music to my ears". FWIW, I'm seeing more ETECs this year. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:15:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Hey - thanks for that. I need to look into this as Mrs. Wave wants a pontoon boat for down south. What, no Grand Banks trawler ? How disappointing. :-) Great boat for down here in the islands. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:38:17 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:40:45 -0400, HK wrote: Modern higher horsepower outboards are *not* easy to service, period. It doesn't matter whether you have a high tech two stroke or a four stroke. You're going to need special knowledge, special training, and special tools, including computer software and the mechanism to get readings off the engine's I/O port if you are messing around "under the hood beyond changing the spark plugs. Well - I"m....shocked. Both types of engines are very complex, but not nececssarily difficult to work on. I won't work on mine even thought I have the software and manuals - don't want to mess up the seven year full parts/labor warranty. Um..speaking of which, has the warranty on your Yamaha run out yet? I know it's only, like, what - one year old? :) Six year warranty. No kidding. Hmmm - learn something new everyday. From the website, Every Yamaha Four Stroke is protected by our 3-Year Limited Warranty for pleasure use. I have a seven year full warranty - anything goes wrong, it's Bombardier's dime. As for weight, I'm not sure how much it matters in the larger engines. The 150 hp Evinrude eTec two stroke, for example, displaces about 2.7 liters and weighs 427 pounds. The 150 hp four stroke Yamaha has about the same displacement and weighs 466 pounds (the Evinrude site has the wrong weight on the Yamaha 150). Negligible weight difference. No they don't. That's exactly what the Yamaha weighs with oil/gear oil/filters/plugs, prop and belts. Source? My source is my Yamaha manual. Weight with prop, 467 pounds. ~~ snerk ~~ I was agreeing with you - ZZOOOOOMMMMMM..... I tricked you - I tricked you - you didn't read the whole thing. BBAAWWWAAAHHHHHAAAAA!!!! In real world tests, the two engines would perform about the same under most operating conditions. The rather outrageous claims I have seen for eTec fuel burn could only be true if the Evinrude engineers have figured out how to cheat the laws of physics. Not outrageous at all. Why do you think most commercial types are going Evinrude - maybe because the fuel milage (on mine, 3.78 gph on average) is FAR SUPERIOR to any four stoke and in particular Yamaha? Cite, please, for "most commercial types are going Evinrude..." There aren't many down here. Maybe Evinrude isn't trying to buy market share down here... You mean Yamaha buys market share? Then again, I suppose that Chesapeake Bay - within say 5 miles of your launch (which you admit to) on the Chesapeake - represents the entire universe of commercial users. Cite, please, for fuel usage figures, and not from that wild little Evinrude promo video that's on TV. Hmmm - let's see... Mine - V6, 90 degree block, 200 cubic inches, 1.86:1 gear ratio, 509 pounds. Yours - In-line four cylinder, 60 degree block, 163 cubic inches, 2:1 gear ratio, 467 pounds. I've had people on my boat from this very group who have witnessed the fuel milage, quiet, experienced the pure raw power - how about you? Tooling around this morning at idle - amazing fuel flow reading .2GPH. Point two - not bad huh? Besides - who would want an engine with a tuning fork emblem on it? :) If I run my Yamaha at 600 rpm, I get that sort of gph, too. So what? I've got 40 more cubic inches, lower gear ratio, higher compression, more agressive block angle and I'm heavier by 50 pounds - actually 60 pounds because it's a 25" shaft engine and my boat at 20' weighs the same as your boat at 21'. Plus it's pushing a T-Top around occasionally with a wind screen on it. I WIN - YOU LOSE!!! I'm #1 - Your #2!!! Er...that didn't come out right. Sorry - I apologize. Tuning fork? Feh. Who wants a French outboard? :) Well, I'll have to give you that one. :) |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:11:49 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:07:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: PS: Aren't your diesels two stroke? Oh yes. You've got to love that sound. :-) We once got chewed out by a guy in a small sail boat for making too much noise. They guy had a lot of nerve actually since he was a former tug boat captain. I explained to him the the sound of a big pair of DD 2 strokes was "music to my ears". Ain't nothing like the sound of a two stroke diesel. Music doesn't do it justice - heavenly chorus is more appropriate. :) FWIW, I'm seeing more ETECs this year. Given a choice and the correct information, buyers will move to ETEC every time. It's only folks who buy packaged boats from small manufacturers and get the giant kickbacks to provide Yamaha's "exclusively" who don't move to ETEC. Not that I'm mentioning anybody here of course. :) |
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JimH wrote:
On Jun 12, 7:50 pm, DK wrote: Don't respond to the asshole. Your remark was typical of his over the years - despite the fact that you were kidding. He's simply trolling for attention now. Yet another example of a rec.boats regular trying to improve the tone and quality of this group. That's pretty funny, since the only reason Dip**** Krueger comes here is to be obnoxious. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:11:49 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:07:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: PS: Aren't your diesels two stroke? Oh yes. You've got to love that sound. :-) We once got chewed out by a guy in a small sail boat for making too much noise. They guy had a lot of nerve actually since he was a former tug boat captain. I explained to him the the sound of a big pair of DD 2 strokes was "music to my ears". Ain't nothing like the sound of a two stroke diesel. Music doesn't do it justice - heavenly chorus is more appropriate. :) FWIW, I'm seeing more ETECs this year. Given a choice and the correct information, buyers will move to ETEC every time. What a giggle... What's eTec's market share? One half of one per cent and going nowhere? |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:51:24 -0400, HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:11:49 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:07:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: PS: Aren't your diesels two stroke? Oh yes. You've got to love that sound. :-) We once got chewed out by a guy in a small sail boat for making too much noise. They guy had a lot of nerve actually since he was a former tug boat captain. I explained to him the the sound of a big pair of DD 2 strokes was "music to my ears". Ain't nothing like the sound of a two stroke diesel. Music doesn't do it justice - heavenly chorus is more appropriate. :) FWIW, I'm seeing more ETECs this year. Given a choice and the correct information, buyers will move to ETEC every time. What a giggle... What's eTec's market share? One half of one per cent and going nowhere? Actually I read somewhere that it's around 20% of the total market and growing. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:51:24 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:11:49 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:07:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: PS: Aren't your diesels two stroke? Oh yes. You've got to love that sound. :-) We once got chewed out by a guy in a small sail boat for making too much noise. They guy had a lot of nerve actually since he was a former tug boat captain. I explained to him the the sound of a big pair of DD 2 strokes was "music to my ears". Ain't nothing like the sound of a two stroke diesel. Music doesn't do it justice - heavenly chorus is more appropriate. :) FWIW, I'm seeing more ETECs this year. Given a choice and the correct information, buyers will move to ETEC every time. What a giggle... What's eTec's market share? One half of one per cent and going nowhere? Actually I read somewhere that it's around 20% of the total market and growing. You must have read that in an eTec "news" release... :) |
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What a giggle...
What's eTec's market share? One half of one per cent and going nowhere? Actually I read somewhere that it's around 20% of the total market and growing. I thought you were done sparring with this turd? --Mike "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:51:24 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:11:49 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:07:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: PS: Aren't your diesels two stroke? Oh yes. You've got to love that sound. :-) We once got chewed out by a guy in a small sail boat for making too much noise. They guy had a lot of nerve actually since he was a former tug boat captain. I explained to him the the sound of a big pair of DD 2 strokes was "music to my ears". Ain't nothing like the sound of a two stroke diesel. Music doesn't do it justice - heavenly chorus is more appropriate. :) FWIW, I'm seeing more ETECs this year. Given a choice and the correct information, buyers will move to ETEC every time. What a giggle... What's eTec's market share? One half of one per cent and going nowhere? Actually I read somewhere that it's around 20% of the total market and growing. |
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On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:51:24 -0400, HK wrote:
Given a choice and the correct information, buyers will move to ETEC every time. What a giggle... What's eTec's market share? One half of one per cent and going nowhere? There's just nothing like the thrill of watching a fish rise to the bait... |
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On Jun 12, 8:45*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:38:17 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:40:45 -0400, HK wrote: Modern higher horsepower outboards are *not* easy to service, period. It doesn't matter whether you have a high tech two stroke or a four stroke. You're going to need special knowledge, special training, and special tools, including computer software and the mechanism to get readings off the engine's I/O port if you are messing around "under the hood beyond changing the spark plugs. Well - I"m....shocked. *Both types of engines are very complex, but not nececssarily difficult to work on. *I won't work on mine even thought I have the software and manuals - don't want to mess up the seven year full parts/labor warranty. Um..speaking of which, has the warranty on your Yamaha run out yet? I know it's only, like, what - one year old? *:) Six year warranty. No kidding. *Hmmm - learn something new everyday. *From the website, Every Yamaha Four Stroke is protected by our 3-Year Limited Warranty for pleasure use. I have a seven year full warranty - anything goes wrong, it's Bombardier's dime. As for weight, I'm not sure how much it matters in the larger engines. The 150 hp Evinrude eTec two stroke, for example, displaces about 2.7 liters and weighs 427 pounds. The 150 hp four stroke Yamaha has about the same displacement and weighs 466 pounds (the Evinrude site has the wrong weight on the Yamaha 150). Negligible weight difference. No they don't. *That's exactly what the Yamaha weighs with oil/gear oil/filters/plugs, prop and belts. Source? My source is my Yamaha manual. Weight with prop, 467 pounds. ~~ snerk ~~ I was agreeing with you - ZZOOOOOMMMMMM..... I tricked you - I tricked you - you didn't read the whole thing. BBAAWWWAAAHHHHHAAAAA!!!! In real world tests, the two engines would perform about the same under most operating conditions. The rather outrageous claims I have seen for eTec fuel burn could only be true if the Evinrude engineers have figured out how to cheat the laws of physics. Not outrageous at all. *Why do you think most commercial types are going Evinrude - maybe because the fuel milage (on mine, 3.78 gph on average) is FAR SUPERIOR to any four stoke and in particular Yamaha? Cite, please, for "most commercial types are going Evinrude..." There aren't many down here. Maybe Evinrude isn't trying to buy market share down here... You mean Yamaha buys market share? *Then again, I suppose that Chesapeake Bay *- within say 5 miles of your launch (which you admit to) on the Chesapeake - represents the entire universe of commercial users. Cite, please, for fuel usage figures, and not from that wild little Evinrude promo video that's on TV. Hmmm - let's see... Mine - V6, 90 degree block, 200 cubic inches, 1.86:1 gear ratio, 509 pounds. Yours - In-line four cylinder, 60 degree block, 163 cubic inches, 2:1 gear ratio, 467 pounds. I've had people on my boat from this very group who have witnessed the fuel milage, quiet, experienced the pure raw power - how about you? Tooling around this morning at idle - amazing fuel flow reading .2GPH. Point two - not bad huh? Besides - who would want an engine with a tuning fork emblem on it? :) If I run my Yamaha at 600 rpm, I get that sort of gph, too. So what? I've got 40 more cubic inches, lower gear ratio, higher compression, more agressive block angle and I'm heavier by 50 pounds - actually 60 pounds because it's a 25" shaft engine and my boat at 20' weighs the same as your boat at 21'. *Plus it's pushing a T-Top around occasionally with a wind screen on it. I WIN - YOU LOSE!!! I'm #1 - Your #2!!! Er...that didn't come out right. *Sorry - I apologize. Tuning fork? Feh. Who wants a French outboard? * :) Well, I'll have to give you that one. *:)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Please don't engage the stooges, short, that's what they want. |
Need advice- New (to me) Pontoon
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I am in the market once again- not for a spouse, but for a new pontoon boat--. I would like a good quality name of pontoon boat- I'm wondering the same but I've already bought the boat..its a 2004 SunTracker PB 21' w/ "Tracker by Merc" 60 HP O/B. Here is the NEW '08 model: http://www.suntrackerboats.com/boat/....cfm?boat=2916 I bought it via the internet and My Inlaws have picked it up in Florida, they say its in great shape. I'll be meeting them with the boat in IOWA in about a month and I'll tow it home to the West Coast from there so, Q. Anyone here have a Sun Tracker ? What do you think of this manufacturer ? The 2005 Tracker O/B is a two stroke (auto oil). What grade of gasoline do these take..will 87 Octane Regular unleaded work ? When you see a sign that says "Marine Gas" what does this signify now ? 25 years back, I had a Bayliner 2350 Nisqually with a Volvo (GM350) engine and 280 leg. It took the "regular gas" of the time (leaded) which was sold cheaper (than "road" gas)at the commercial fishing dock because it didn't have any Highway taxes built in. Is this generally still the case ? R |
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