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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:51:39 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:04:53 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

Here's some interesting barn color information.

Extremely interseting.

Where ever did you find that? :)

This old age stuff really stinks. This time for sure.

http://www.thebarnjournal.org/storie...006/index.html

ROTFL!!!

Thanks.

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:48:18 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:04:53 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:

Here's some interesting barn color information.

Extremely interseting.

Where ever did you find that? :)

Uh.....Google?

No kidding - wow.

I knew Google stock was over priced - there really isn't anything
there.

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:51:58 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
.. .

Ouch!

Got something to say? Say it.

Yeah - I got something to say.

FIX YOUR SEND KEY!! :)

Keep your grunts and groans to yourself.

Oy!!!

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wrote in message
...


Maryland Red is not a predominate color, and there is no such thing as
"Maryland Barn Red". And actually, barns in central PA and Maryland
were white. The reason for plain old red barns is because ferrous
oxide was cheap. Red color had nothing to do with nor were there
specific colors of red used.

What a confrontational little **** you are.

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"Jim" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

Ouch!

Got something to say? Say it.
Keep your grunts and groans to yourself.


Speaking of grunts & groans (four or five times by last count), how's the
pollution business goin' Flatulent Jim?

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 10:36:28 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

determine who has the most albino skin and reddest eyes...

That would be me after my chemo treatments. :)


That's not my quote... I just winced at the thought of the 'deserving'
receiving it.

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Jon wrote:
wrote in message
...


Maryland Red is not a predominate color, and there is no such thing as
"Maryland Barn Red". And actually, barns in central PA and Maryland
were white. The reason for plain old red barns is because ferrous
oxide was cheap. Red color had nothing to do with nor were there
specific colors of red used.

What a confrontational little **** you are.




Uh-oh...now you've stepped in it. You'll probably start getting snarky
emails from one John Herring, loogy's self-appointed protector.

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Sorry bout the multiples. Once should suffice. Just about that time, my
cheesy news reader dropped rec.boats from it's list of supported news
groups. I didn't do it, I swear. The pollution business isn't going so well.
You guys just don't give up, even with the gentle hints we're dropping for
you.


"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

Ouch!

Got something to say? Say it.
Keep your grunts and groans to yourself.


Speaking of grunts & groans (four or five times by last count), how's the
pollution business goin' Flatulent Jim?

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 08:01:37 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 4, 10:32*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 06:12:07 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jun 4, 8:45*am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 04:56:15 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jun 3, 4:52*pm, HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Jim wrote:

Perfect shelter for a cheaply built workboat.

Uh huh. Where, crap-for-brains, did you get the idea that the shed in
question belonged to me?

It's just one of the many rigging sheds on the premises of my boat dealer.
There's room in this particular shed for three boats on trailers to be
rigged simultaneously. There are at least four other large steel buildings
for rigging on the premises, and a double wide concrete fresh water filled
ramp to test engines on their boats.

My "shed" is an old tobacco barn that "conveyed" with my land purchase:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...me/Oldbarn.jpg

Since this photo was taken, I've had the rotted boards replaced. But it's
still just an old tobacco barn, home for some farm implements and in the
winter, families of woodland critters.

If you were to find yourself homeless, I couldn't let you move in...the
critters would object to your stench.

How about a picture with the boards replaced?

Yeah, I need to do that. They haven't been painted yet...I'm trying to
hasten their aging and maybe this summer I will have the entire
structure painted Maryland barn red again. I discussed this last summer
with the Amish crew, but we never came to an agreement.

Why do you want the photos? Are you a barn buff?

Oh...boating related...there are two canoes and a kayak stored inside
the barn on occasion...they belong to friends who "launch" at a nearby
Bay park.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"Maryland barn red"? WTF is THAT?

I really hate to be defending Harry on things, but yes, there is such
a thing as Maryland Red *- just like there is a classic Williamsburg
Blue. *Maryland Red is very similar to what they used to call Dutch
Red you saw on PA barns, only it has a lower orange component and is a
slightly lighter shade.

You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.

Now I know you are going to ask how I know all this - well, I had to
wade through a physics dissertation that had some math in it and
unfortunately some of the historical data just soaked into my brain
and sat there. *:)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maryland Red is not a predominate color, and there is no such thing as
"Maryland Barn Red". And actually, barns in central PA and Maryland
were white. The reason for plain old red barns is because ferrous
oxide was cheap. Red color had nothing to do with nor were there
specific colors of red used.

You are correct about PA barns - most were white. *There were,
however, red barns painted in the color Dutch Red. *You see them
mostly in Eastern PA and in the rest of New England. *There is even a
reference to some types of scallop dory's painted in what was called
Dutch Red. *The historical reference to Dutch Red is a particular
species of tulip of all things - go figure.

I will be glad to send you a copy of the dissertation if you wish - it
has all the references, data points, graphs and chemical compositions
of the various regional colors.

Free of charge. *:)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The geographically available ingredients are what makes the color
variations. In western NY, all barns are red, but you never hear of
them being called western NY red. Same with "maryland red". Try it!

I don't have to try it. I just looked it up - have the paper right in
front of me.

Like I said - be glad to send you the paper.

Free of charge.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 09:51:58 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
. ..

Ouch!

Got something to say? Say it.

Yeah - I got something to say.

FIX YOUR SEND KEY!! :)

Keep your grunts and groans to yourself.

Oy!!!
Who asked you. ;-)

That multiple posting was caused by the news reader just before it took
rec.boats off their newsgroup list. I had to redownload the newsgroup list
to get rec.boats to show up on it, before I could resubscribe to rec.boats.

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On Jun 4, 2:57 pm, "Jim" wrote:
The pollution business isn't going so well.
You guys just don't give up, even with the gentle hints we're dropping for
you.


I suggest that you start taking your own advice and drop blaming
everyone else for the problem here.

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"JimH" wrote in message
...
On Jun 4, 2:57 pm, "Jim" wrote:
The pollution business isn't going so well.
You guys just don't give up, even with the gentle hints we're dropping
for
you.


I suggest that you start taking your own advice and drop blaming
everyone else for the problem here.

EXCUSE ME! Jim from Sinsinnati. Did you get to meet Hairball's wife?

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Jim wrote:

"JimH" wrote in message
...
On Jun 4, 2:57 pm, "Jim" wrote:
The pollution business isn't going so well.
You guys just don't give up, even with the gentle hints we're
dropping for
you.


I suggest that you start taking your own advice and drop blaming
everyone else for the problem here.

EXCUSE ME! Jim from Sinsinnati. Did you get to meet Hairball's wife?


Yup...that's our boy Jim from Florida, working overtime to "improve"
rec.boats.

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"Jim" wrote in message
...
Sorry bout the multiples. Once should suffice. Just about that time, my
cheesy news reader dropped rec.boats from it's list of supported news
groups. I didn't do it, I swear. The pollution business isn't going so
well. You guys just don't give up, even with the gentle hints we're
dropping for you.



One former regular here claimed he led by example.
Try that...might just work.

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Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
Sorry bout the multiples. Once should suffice. Just about that time, my
cheesy news reader dropped rec.boats from it's list of supported news
groups. I didn't do it, I swear. The pollution business isn't going so
well. You guys just don't give up, even with the gentle hints we're
dropping for you.



One former regular here claimed he led by example.
Try that...might just work.



FloridaJim follows the example of Loogy. Dingy Dan, Jackoff and the rest
of the useless.

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Sorry bout the multiples. Once should suffice. Just about that time, my
cheesy news reader dropped rec.boats from it's list of supported news
groups. I didn't do it, I swear. The pollution business isn't going so
well. You guys just don't give up, even with the gentle hints we're
dropping for you.


GO AWAY http://i29.tinypic.com/106aiw9.jpg
One former regular here claimed he led by example.
Try that...might just work.

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
Sorry bout the multiples. Once should suffice. Just about that time, my
cheesy news reader dropped rec.boats from it's list of supported news
groups. I didn't do it, I swear. The pollution business isn't going so
well. You guys just don't give up, even with the gentle hints we're
dropping for you.


GO AWAY http://i29.tinypic.com/106aiw9.jpg

One former regular here claimed he led by example.
Try that...might just work.

FloridaJim follows the example of Loogy. Dingy Dan, Jackoff and the rest
of the useless.

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Jim wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
Sorry bout the multiples. Once should suffice. Just about that time,
my cheesy news reader dropped rec.boats from it's list of supported
news groups. I didn't do it, I swear. The pollution business isn't
going so well. You guys just don't give up, even with the gentle
hints we're dropping for you.


GO AWAY http://i29.tinypic.com/106aiw9.jpg

One former regular here claimed he led by example.
Try that...might just work.

FloridaJim follows the example of Loogy. Dingy Dan, Jackoff and the
rest of the useless.



Once again, FloridaJim shows off his total lack of class and substance,
and his high ranking in the world of trolldom.

It's not my fault you were dumb enough to get drafted, FJ.

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"HK" wrote in message
...


Once again, FloridaJim shows off his total lack of class and substance,
and his high ranking in the world of trolldom.

It's not my fault you were dumb enough to get drafted, FJ.

I can produce evidence to the contrary. Can you prove that you were not a
cowardly draft evader?

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Jim wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...


Once again, FloridaJim shows off his total lack of class and
substance, and his high ranking in the world of trolldom.

It's not my fault you were dumb enough to get drafted, FJ.

I can produce evidence to the contrary. Can you prove that you were not
a cowardly draft evader?


I sure can. But...why would I prove it to a p.o.s. like you?

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On Jun 4, 7:46 pm, HK wrote:
Jim wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

Once again, FloridaJim shows off his total lack of class and
substance, and his high ranking in the world of trolldom.

It's not my fault you were dumb enough to get drafted, FJ.

I can produce evidence to the contrary. Can you prove that you were not
a cowardly draft evader?

I sure can. But...why would I prove it to a p.o.s. like you?

Will you guys stop it already! This crap is getting old.

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On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:45:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.

The pigment in red barn paint is iron oxide. It only comes in the one
color, far as I know.

Casady

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 06:12:07 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 4, 8:45 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 04:56:15 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jun 3, 4:52 pm, HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Jim wrote:

Perfect shelter for a cheaply built workboat.

Uh huh. Where, crap-for-brains, did you get the idea that the shed
in
question belonged to me?

It's just one of the many rigging sheds on the premises of my boat
dealer.
There's room in this particular shed for three boats on trailers
to be
rigged simultaneously. There are at least four other large steel
buildings
for rigging on the premises, and a double wide concrete fresh
water filled
ramp to test engines on their boats.

My "shed" is an old tobacco barn that "conveyed" with my land
purchase:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...me/Oldbarn.jpg

Since this photo was taken, I've had the rotted boards replaced.
But it's
still just an old tobacco barn, home for some farm implements and
in the
winter, families of woodland critters.

If you were to find yourself homeless, I couldn't let you move
in...the
critters would object to your stench.

How about a picture with the boards replaced?

Yeah, I need to do that. They haven't been painted yet...I'm trying
to
hasten their aging and maybe this summer I will have the entire
structure painted Maryland barn red again. I discussed this last
summer
with the Amish crew, but we never came to an agreement.

Why do you want the photos? Are you a barn buff?

Oh...boating related...there are two canoes and a kayak stored inside
the barn on occasion...they belong to friends who "launch" at a
nearby
Bay park.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"Maryland barn red"? WTF is THAT?

I really hate to be defending Harry on things, but yes, there is such
a thing as Maryland Red - just like there is a classic Williamsburg
Blue. Maryland Red is very similar to what they used to call Dutch
Red you saw on PA barns, only it has a lower orange component and is a
slightly lighter shade.

You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.

Now I know you are going to ask how I know all this - well, I had to
wade through a physics dissertation that had some math in it and
unfortunately some of the historical data just soaked into my brain
and sat there. :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Maryland Red is not a predominate color, and there is no such thing as
"Maryland Barn Red". And actually, barns in central PA and Maryland
were white. The reason for plain old red barns is because ferrous
oxide was cheap. Red color had nothing to do with nor were there
specific colors of red used.

You are correct about PA barns - most were white. There were,
however, red barns painted in the color Dutch Red. You see them
mostly in Eastern PA and in the rest of New England. There is even a
reference to some types of scallop dory's painted in what was called
Dutch Red. The historical reference to Dutch Red is a particular
species of tulip of all things - go figure.

I will be glad to send you a copy of the dissertation if you wish - it
has all the references, data points, graphs and chemical compositions
of the various regional colors.

Free of charge. :)

And the reason that most paint was white, actually Whitewash, was the
pigments came from Europe and were too expensive for most colonists.

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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:45:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.

The pigment in red barn paint is iron oxide. It only comes in the one
color, far as I know.

Casady

But pure iron oxide is harder to get. Ochre is the best of the iron oxide
pigments and it came from Provence region of France. Nasty stuff to make.
Take a tour of an old Ochre mine there to see the bad conditions the people
worked in. So the iron oxide of each region would stand to have trace
minerals coloring it. There for different reds depending on region.

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WaIIy wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:03:52 -0400, HK wrote:

Well, it looks about the same, except there are some new "old" boards
that haven't been painted...

More of your self-promoting bull****.



That's right, Wally...I'm selling timeshares in my old barn. D'oh.

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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:59:39 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Richard Casady" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:45:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.

The pigment in red barn paint is iron oxide. It only comes in the one
color, far as I know.

Casady

But pure iron oxide is harder to get. Ochre is the best of the iron oxide
pigments and it came from Provence region of France. Nasty stuff to make.
Take a tour of an old Ochre mine there to see the bad conditions the people
worked in. So the iron oxide of each region would stand to have trace
minerals coloring it. There for different reds depending on region.

All mining was a nasty business back then. Still is for that matter.
The worst of the danger and health hazards have been somewhat
alleviated most places but it still makes the dangerous list, along
with construction and fishing. I question whether conditions in the
iron oxide mines were notably different depending on what you planned
to do with the stuff. I think things were similar whether the iron
oxide was destined for a furnace or for pigment. You may be right that
the stuff comes in slight color variations. The good white paint was
based on lead carbonate, and more expensive than red, although
whitewash was cheaper

Casady

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On Jun 4, 8:57*pm, (Richard Casady) wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:45:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.

The pigment in red barn paint is iron oxide. It only comes in the one
color, far as I know.

Casady

Not true.

From Britannica online:

Iron-oxide earth pigments yield ochres (yellow-browns), siennas
(orange-browns) ... It forms in tropical and subtropical regions where
the climate is humid.

And from he
http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pu...ide/750400.pdf


Natural iron oxides are derived from hematite, which is a red
iron oxide mineral; limonites, which vary from yellow to brown,
such as ochers, siennas, and umbers; and magnetite, which is
black iron oxide.

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On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:00:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 4, 8:57*pm, (Richard Casady) wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:45:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.

The pigment in red barn paint is iron oxide. It only comes in the one
color, far as I know.

Casady

Not true.

From Britannica online:

Iron-oxide earth pigments yield ochres (yellow-browns), siennas
(orange-browns) ... It forms in tropical and subtropical regions where
the climate is humid.

And from he
http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pu...ide/750400.pdf


Natural iron oxides are derived from hematite, which is a red
iron oxide mineral; limonites, which vary from yellow to brown,
such as ochers, siennas, and umbers; and magnetite, which is
black iron oxide.

You forgot that good old red laterite which was used to build lots of roads
in Vietnam!
--
John *H*

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On Jun 5, 4:05*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:00:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Jun 4, 8:57*pm, (Richard Casady) wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:45:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing

wrote:
You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.

The pigment in red barn paint is iron oxide. It only comes in the one
color, far as I know.

Casady

Not true.

From Britannica online:

Iron-oxide earth pigments yield ochres (yellow-browns), siennas
(orange-browns) ... It forms in tropical and subtropical regions where
the climate is humid.

And from he
http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pu...ide/750400.pdf

Natural iron oxides are derived from hematite, which is a red
iron oxide mineral; limonites, which vary from yellow to brown,
such as ochers, siennas, and umbers; and magnetite, which is
black iron oxide.

You forgot that good old red laterite which was used to build lots of roads
in Vietnam!
--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Laterite can be soft or hard depending on where it's at. In India they
cut laterite to use as bricks.

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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:59:39 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Richard Casady" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:45:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.

The pigment in red barn paint is iron oxide. It only comes in the one
color, far as I know.

Casady

But pure iron oxide is harder to get. Ochre is the best of the iron oxide
pigments and it came from Provence region of France. Nasty stuff to make.
Take a tour of an old Ochre mine there to see the bad conditions the
people
worked in. So the iron oxide of each region would stand to have trace
minerals coloring it. There for different reds depending on region.

All mining was a nasty business back then. Still is for that matter.
The worst of the danger and health hazards have been somewhat
alleviated most places but it still makes the dangerous list, along
with construction and fishing. I question whether conditions in the
iron oxide mines were notably different depending on what you planned
to do with the stuff. I think things were similar whether the iron
oxide was destined for a furnace or for pigment. You may be right that
the stuff comes in slight color variations. The good white paint was
based on lead carbonate, and more expensive than red, although
whitewash was cheaper

Casady

The mining was not the killer but the processing of the Orche. Early
settlers used whitewash as the pigments were from europe and expensive.

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On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:34:46 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Richard Casady" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:59:39 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:45:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.

The pigment in red barn paint is iron oxide. It only comes in the one
color, far as I know.

Casady

But pure iron oxide is harder to get. Ochre is the best of the iron oxide
pigments and it came from Provence region of France. Nasty stuff to make.
Take a tour of an old Ochre mine there to see the bad conditions the
people
worked in. So the iron oxide of each region would stand to have trace
minerals coloring it. There for different reds depending on region.

All mining was a nasty business back then. Still is for that matter.
The worst of the danger and health hazards have been somewhat
alleviated most places but it still makes the dangerous list, along
with construction and fishing. I question whether conditions in the
iron oxide mines were notably different depending on what you planned
to do with the stuff. I think things were similar whether the iron
oxide was destined for a furnace or for pigment. You may be right that
the stuff comes in slight color variations. The good white paint was
based on lead carbonate, and more expensive than red, although
whitewash was cheaper

Casady

The mining was not the killer but the processing of the Orche. Early
settlers used whitewash as the pigments were from europe and expensive.

In the case of iron, the colonists were smelting it pretty early on.
They mined the rich, nearly pure, ferrous oxide. Barn paint. The Tom
Sawyer fence whitewash is one thing, but you need expensive ladders
and a bunch of time to paint a barn. I have owned a barn, by the way.
By going for the more durable iron, or, if rich, lead white, you can
get by with once a decade, not spring and fall. I mean you can't keep
whitewash on a barn even with slave labor.

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:34:46 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:59:39 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:45:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.
The pigment in red barn paint is iron oxide. It only comes in the one
color, far as I know.

Casady
But pure iron oxide is harder to get. Ochre is the best of the iron oxide
pigments and it came from Provence region of France. Nasty stuff to make.
Take a tour of an old Ochre mine there to see the bad conditions the
people
worked in. So the iron oxide of each region would stand to have trace
minerals coloring it. There for different reds depending on region.
All mining was a nasty business back then. Still is for that matter.
The worst of the danger and health hazards have been somewhat
alleviated most places but it still makes the dangerous list, along
with construction and fishing. I question whether conditions in the
iron oxide mines were notably different depending on what you planned
to do with the stuff. I think things were similar whether the iron
oxide was destined for a furnace or for pigment. You may be right that
the stuff comes in slight color variations. The good white paint was
based on lead carbonate, and more expensive than red, although
whitewash was cheaper

Casady
The mining was not the killer but the processing of the Orche. Early
settlers used whitewash as the pigments were from europe and expensive.

In the case of iron, the colonists were smelting it pretty early on.
They mined the rich, nearly pure, ferrous oxide. Barn paint. The Tom
Sawyer fence whitewash is one thing, but you need expensive ladders
and a bunch of time to paint a barn. I have owned a barn, by the way.
By going for the more durable iron, or, if rich, lead white, you can
get by with once a decade, not spring and fall. I mean you can't keep
whitewash on a barn even with slave labor.



If the local Amish can't schedule me soon, I am going to have to hire
some "starving students" to repaint my old barn. Maryland tobacco barn
red, of course.

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"HK" wrote in message
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 21:34:46 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 19:59:39 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 12:45:55 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
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You have to remember that colors used to be associated with regions
because of the difference in ingrediants, dyes, etc.
The pigment in red barn paint is iron oxide. It only comes in the one
color, far as I know.

Casady
But pure iron oxide is harder to get. Ochre is the best of the iron
oxide
pigments and it came from Provence region of France. Nasty stuff to
make.
Take a tour of an old Ochre mine there to see the bad conditions the
people
worked in. So the iron oxide of each region would stand to have trace
minerals coloring it. There for different reds depending on region.
All mining was a nasty business back then. Still is for that matter.
The worst of the danger and health hazards have been somewhat
alleviated most places but it still makes the dangerous list, along
with construction and fishing. I question whether conditions in the
iron oxide mines were notably different depending on what you planned
to do with the stuff. I think things were similar whether the iron
oxide was destined for a furnace or for pigment. You may be right that
the stuff comes in slight color variations. The good white paint was
based on lead carbonate, and more expensive than red, although
whitewash was cheaper

Casady
The mining was not the killer but the processing of the Orche. Early
settlers used whitewash as the pigments were from europe and expensive.

In the case of iron, the colonists were smelting it pretty early on.
They mined the rich, nearly pure, ferrous oxide. Barn paint. The Tom
Sawyer fence whitewash is one thing, but you need expensive ladders
and a bunch of time to paint a barn. I have owned a barn, by the way.
By going for the more durable iron, or, if rich, lead white, you can
get by with once a decade, not spring and fall. I mean you can't keep
whitewash on a barn even with slave labor.



If the local Amish can't schedule me soon, I am going to have to hire some
"starving students" to repaint my old barn. Maryland tobacco barn red, of
course.


No union painters?

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On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:08:31 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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"HK" wrote in message
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If the local Amish can't schedule me soon, I am going to have to hire some
"starving students" to repaint my old barn. Maryland tobacco barn red, of
course.

No union painters?

Too much money. :)

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:08:31 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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"HK" wrote in message
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If the local Amish can't schedule me soon, I am going to have to hire
some
"starving students" to repaint my old barn. Maryland tobacco barn red,
of
course.

No union painters?

Too much money. :)
The man has no scruples.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 18:08:31 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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If the local Amish can't schedule me soon, I am going to have to hire some
"starving students" to repaint my old barn. Maryland tobacco barn red, of
course.
No union painters?

Too much money. :)


Union painters in this area aren't much into homeowner projects. In
fact, all the skilled union trades will be in short supply here soon:
looks like we're going to have another nuke reactor built in the area, a
multi-year job. My local is already recruiting and the job isn't even a
for-sure "go" yet.