Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

Any idea on the life of a boat that has been in fresh water when
compared to that of a boat in salt water?

Will risers last that much longer

Altenators?

Generator?

Stuffing boxes?

Is there going to be a significant advantage? I know the answer but
want to hear what others think

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

On May 30, 4:50 pm, wrote:
Any idea on the life of a boat that has been in fresh water when
compared to that of a boat in salt water?

Will risers last that much longer

Altenators?

Generator?

Stuffing boxes?

Is there going to be a significant advantage? I know the answer but
want to hear what others think

Freshwater is always the best option.

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

"JimH" wrote in message
...
On May 30, 4:50 pm, wrote:
Any idea on the life of a boat that has been in fresh water when
compared to that of a boat in salt water?

Will risers last that much longer

Altenators?

Generator?

Stuffing boxes?

Is there going to be a significant advantage? I know the answer but
want to hear what others think

Freshwater is always the best option.

That's usually the feeling here.
A good fresh water boat would be more desirable. I drove 2400km round trip
inland just to pick up my sailboat in 2004

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

"Don White" writes:

"JimH" wrote in message
...
On May 30, 4:50 pm, wrote:

Freshwater is always the best option.

That's usually the feeling here.
A good fresh water boat would be more desirable. I drove 2400km round trip
inland just to pick up my sailboat in 2004

Back in 1993 I moved from my native Gothenburg on the Swedish
west coast to Stockholm on the Baltic side of Sweden. I was
very impressed by how shiny and new looking all metal fittings
were on boats in marinas in Stockholm. "Those guys must spend
quite some time polishing things" Later I realized this is how
benign the almost fresh water of the Baltic is compared to
the Atlantic (almost) brine of the west coast.

--
Martin Schöön "Problems worthy of attack
show their worth by hitting back."
Piet Hein

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

On Sat, 31 May 2008 23:25:49 +0200, (Martin Schöön)
wrote:

"Don White" writes:

"JimH" wrote in message
...
On May 30, 4:50 pm, wrote:

Freshwater is always the best option.

That's usually the feeling here.
A good fresh water boat would be more desirable. I drove 2400km round trip
inland just to pick up my sailboat in 2004

Back in 1993 I moved from my native Gothenburg on the Swedish
west coast to Stockholm on the Baltic side of Sweden. I was
very impressed by how shiny and new looking all metal fittings
were on boats in marinas in Stockholm. "Those guys must spend
quite some time polishing things" Later I realized this is how
benign the almost fresh water of the Baltic is compared to
the Atlantic (almost) brine of the west coast.

Welcome, Martin.

I once rode my motorcycle from Gothenburg to Stockholm. It was a very
boring ride. But both Gothenburg and Stockholm were gorgeous cities to
visit.
--
John *H*

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

On Fri, 30 May 2008 13:50:15 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Any idea on the life of a boat that has been in fresh water when
compared to that of a boat in salt water?

Will risers last that much longer

Altenators?

Generator?

Stuffing boxes?

Is there going to be a significant advantage? I know the answer but
want to hear what others think

As a general rule, fresh water is always a preferred option over salt
water boats. Having said that, a good boat is a good boat and if
properly maintained and stored over winter, a good salt water boat is
the equal of a fresh water boat.

It all depends on your requirements and pocket book. A fresh water
boat will bring a premium as opposed to a salt water boat. Thus,
looked at logically, if all things are equal, the good, sound salt
water boat will be a tad less expensive than it's opposite which is a
positive.

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

John H. writes:

On Sat, 31 May 2008 23:25:49 +0200, (Martin Schöön)
wrote:

Back in 1993 I moved from my native Gothenburg on the Swedish
west coast to Stockholm on the Baltic side of Sweden. I was
very impressed by how shiny and new looking all metal fittings
were on boats in marinas in Stockholm. "Those guys must spend
quite some time polishing things" Later I realized this is how
benign the almost fresh water of the Baltic is compared to
the Atlantic (almost) brine of the west coast.

Welcome, Martin.

Been hanging out here since late 1980s but thanks anyway.

I once rode my motorcycle from Gothenburg to Stockholm. It was a very
boring ride. But both Gothenburg and Stockholm were gorgeous cities to
visit.

There are several routs between Gothenburg and Stockholm. If you
just followed the signs you got the boring one.

--
Martin Schöön "Problems worthy of attack
show their worth by hitting back."
Piet Hein

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:49:29 +0200, (Martin Schöön)
wrote:

John H. writes:

On Sat, 31 May 2008 23:25:49 +0200, (Martin Schöön)
wrote:

Back in 1993 I moved from my native Gothenburg on the Swedish
west coast to Stockholm on the Baltic side of Sweden. I was
very impressed by how shiny and new looking all metal fittings
were on boats in marinas in Stockholm. "Those guys must spend
quite some time polishing things" Later I realized this is how
benign the almost fresh water of the Baltic is compared to
the Atlantic (almost) brine of the west coast.

Welcome, Martin.

Been hanging out here since late 1980s but thanks anyway.

I once rode my motorcycle from Gothenburg to Stockholm. It was a very
boring ride. But both Gothenburg and Stockholm were gorgeous cities to
visit.

There are several routs between Gothenburg and Stockholm. If you
just followed the signs you got the boring one.

That's what we did. We'd come up from Stuttgart for a rally and didn't have
time to waste.
--
John *H*

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

On Jun 1, 6:00*am, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:49:29 +0200, (Martin Schöön)
wrote:





John H. writes:

On Sat, 31 May 2008 23:25:49 +0200, (Martin Schöön)
wrote:

Back in 1993 I moved from my native Gothenburg on the Swedish
west coast to Stockholm on the Baltic side of Sweden. I was
very impressed by how shiny and new looking all metal fittings
were on boats in marinas in Stockholm. "Those guys must spend
quite some time polishing things" Later I realized this is how
benign the almost fresh water of the Baltic is compared to
the Atlantic (almost) brine of the west coast.

Welcome, Martin.

Been hanging out here since late 1980s but thanks anyway.

I once rode my motorcycle from Gothenburg to Stockholm. It was a very
boring ride. But both Gothenburg and Stockholm were gorgeous cities to
visit.

There are several routs between Gothenburg and Stockholm. If you
just followed the signs you got the boring one.

That's what we did. We'd come up from Stuttgart for a rally and didn't have
time to waste.
--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey John, answered your note the other day, but it kicked
back...sorry..

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On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 08:02:07 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Jun 1, 6:00*am, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:49:29 +0200, (Martin Schöön)
wrote:





John H. writes:

On Sat, 31 May 2008 23:25:49 +0200, (Martin Schöön)
wrote:

Back in 1993 I moved from my native Gothenburg on the Swedish
west coast to Stockholm on the Baltic side of Sweden. I was
very impressed by how shiny and new looking all metal fittings
were on boats in marinas in Stockholm. "Those guys must spend
quite some time polishing things" Later I realized this is how
benign the almost fresh water of the Baltic is compared to
the Atlantic (almost) brine of the west coast.

Welcome, Martin.

Been hanging out here since late 1980s but thanks anyway.

I once rode my motorcycle from Gothenburg to Stockholm. It was a very
boring ride. But both Gothenburg and Stockholm were gorgeous cities to
visit.

There are several routs between Gothenburg and Stockholm. If you
just followed the signs you got the boring one.

That's what we did. We'd come up from Stuttgart for a rally and didn't have
time to waste.
--
John *H*- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey John, answered your note the other day, but it kicked
back...sorry..

salmonbait at gmail dot com should work. If not use jherring at cox dot
net.
--
John *H*

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

Around 5/30/2008 2:04 PM, JimH wrote:

Freshwater is always the best option.


Unless it's a wood boat. :)


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
~~ Ventis secundis, tene cursum ~~

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

On Jun 1, 7:54 pm, Garth Almgren wrote:
Around 5/30/2008 2:04 PM, JimH wrote:

Freshwater is always the best option.

Unless it's a wood boat. :)

--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
~~ Ventis secundis, tene cursum ~~

A good friend of mine has a '69 Lyman (wood). It indeed requires a
lot of work but would it require less if used in salt water?

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

Around 6/1/2008 5:03 PM, JimH wrote:

On Jun 1, 7:54 pm, Garth Almgren wrote:
Around 5/30/2008 2:04 PM, JimH wrote:

Freshwater is always the best option.
Unless it's a wood boat. :)

--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
~~ Ventis secundis, tene cursum ~~

A good friend of mine has a '69 Lyman (wood). It indeed requires a
lot of work but would it require less if used in salt water?

There a lot of nasty wood-eating parasites that live in fresh water. You
do have to worry more about fitting corrosion in salt, but keep the rain
off and the zincs and bottom paint fresh, and the hull will last longer
than in fresh.

-- Or so I've been told, and it's worked well so far for dad's '42
Chris, which has spent her entire life in salt (well, brackish) water
covered moorage.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
~~ Ventis secundis, tene cursum ~~

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

On Jun 1, 8:30 pm, Garth Almgren wrote:
Around 6/1/2008 5:03 PM, JimH wrote:

On Jun 1, 7:54 pm, Garth Almgren wrote:
Around 5/30/2008 2:04 PM, JimH wrote:

Freshwater is always the best option.
Unless it's a wood boat. :)

--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
~~ Ventis secundis, tene cursum ~~

A good friend of mine has a '69 Lyman (wood). It indeed requires a
lot of work but would it require less if used in salt water?

There a lot of nasty wood-eating parasites that live in fresh water. You
do have to worry more about fitting corrosion in salt, but keep the rain
off and the zincs and bottom paint fresh, and the hull will last longer
than in fresh.

-- Or so I've been told, and it's worked well so far for dad's '42
Chris, which has spent her entire life in salt (well, brackish) water
covered moorage.

--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
~~ Ventis secundis, tene cursum ~~

Can you provide some links backing up that information?

I do not have a dog in this hunt but I would like to see verification
that wood powerboats last last longer in salt water vs. freshwater.

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

Around 6/1/2008 5:46 PM, JimH wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:30 pm, Garth Almgren wrote:
Around 6/1/2008 5:03 PM, JimH wrote:

On Jun 1, 7:54 pm, Garth Almgren wrote:
Around 5/30/2008 2:04 PM, JimH wrote:
Freshwater is always the best option.
Unless it's a wood boat. :)

A good friend of mine has a '69 Lyman (wood). It indeed requires a
lot of work but would it require less if used in salt water?
There a lot of nasty wood-eating parasites that live in fresh water. You
do have to worry more about fitting corrosion in salt, but keep the rain
off and the zincs and bottom paint fresh, and the hull will last longer
than in fresh.

-- Or so I've been told, and it's worked well so far for dad's '42
Chris, which has spent her entire life in salt (well, brackish) water
covered moorage.


Can you provide some links backing up that information?

I do not have a dog in this hunt but I would like to see verification
that wood powerboats last last longer in salt water vs. freshwater.

Like I said, I've been told; I haven't done any research on my own on
the topic, and the only evidence I can present is anecdotal. From the
quick searches I just did, most websites seem to agree that salt water
definitely has anti-fungal/anti-rot properties, with some people going
so far as to spread salt in the bilge.

That said, the Wooden Boat forum (http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/)
contains a wealth of knowledge about wooden boats and boating and a
quick Google search brings back over 300,000 hits:
http://www.google.com/search?q=woode...freshwater+rot

If you wanted a really authoritative answer, you might want to contact
the folks over at the Center for Wooden Boats: http://www.cwb.org



--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
~~ Ventis secundis, tene cursum ~~

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

Around 6/1/2008 6:39 PM, Garth Almgren wrote:

Around 6/1/2008 5:46 PM, JimH wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:30 pm, Garth Almgren wrote:
Around 6/1/2008 5:03 PM, JimH wrote:

On Jun 1, 7:54 pm, Garth Almgren wrote:
Around 5/30/2008 2:04 PM, JimH wrote:
Freshwater is always the best option.
Unless it's a wood boat. :)

A good friend of mine has a '69 Lyman (wood). It indeed requires a
lot of work but would it require less if used in salt water?
There a lot of nasty wood-eating parasites that live in fresh water. You
do have to worry more about fitting corrosion in salt, but keep the rain
off and the zincs and bottom paint fresh, and the hull will last longer
than in fresh.

-- Or so I've been told, and it's worked well so far for dad's '42
Chris, which has spent her entire life in salt (well, brackish) water
covered moorage.


Can you provide some links backing up that information?

I do not have a dog in this hunt but I would like to see verification
that wood powerboats last last longer in salt water vs. freshwater.

Like I said, I've been told; I haven't done any research on my own on
the topic, and the only evidence I can present is anecdotal. From the
quick searches I just did, most websites seem to agree that salt water
definitely has anti-fungal/anti-rot properties, with some people going
so far as to spread salt in the bilge.

That said, the Wooden Boat forum (http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/)
contains a wealth of knowledge about wooden boats and boating and a
quick Google search brings back over 300,000 hits:
http://www.google.com/search?q=woode...freshwater+rot

If you wanted a really authoritative answer, you might want to contact
the folks over at the Center for Wooden Boats: http://www.cwb.org

Here's a good one:
http://www.woodenboat.com/forum//showthread.php?t=8105

My understanding is that while salt water will prevent most bottom-up
rot, rainwater combined with poor ventilation is more likely to be the
cause of top-down rot, and that's how most wood boats rot.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
~~ Ventis secundis, tene cursum ~~

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

"Garth Almgren" wrote in message
...
Around 6/1/2008 6:39 PM, Garth Almgren wrote:

Around 6/1/2008 5:46 PM, JimH wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:30 pm, Garth Almgren wrote:
Around 6/1/2008 5:03 PM, JimH wrote:

On Jun 1, 7:54 pm, Garth Almgren wrote:
Around 5/30/2008 2:04 PM, JimH wrote:
Freshwater is always the best option.
Unless it's a wood boat. :)

A good friend of mine has a '69 Lyman (wood). It indeed requires a
lot of work but would it require less if used in salt water?
There a lot of nasty wood-eating parasites that live in fresh water.
You
do have to worry more about fitting corrosion in salt, but keep the
rain
off and the zincs and bottom paint fresh, and the hull will last longer
than in fresh.

-- Or so I've been told, and it's worked well so far for dad's '42
Chris, which has spent her entire life in salt (well, brackish) water
covered moorage.


Can you provide some links backing up that information?

I do not have a dog in this hunt but I would like to see verification
that wood powerboats last last longer in salt water vs. freshwater.

Like I said, I've been told; I haven't done any research on my own on the
topic, and the only evidence I can present is anecdotal. From the quick
searches I just did, most websites seem to agree that salt water
definitely has anti-fungal/anti-rot properties, with some people going so
far as to spread salt in the bilge.

That said, the Wooden Boat forum (http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/)
contains a wealth of knowledge about wooden boats and boating and a quick
Google search brings back over 300,000 hits:
http://www.google.com/search?q=woode...freshwater+rot

If you wanted a really authoritative answer, you might want to contact
the folks over at the Center for Wooden Boats: http://www.cwb.org

Here's a good one:
http://www.woodenboat.com/forum//showthread.php?t=8105

My understanding is that while salt water will prevent most bottom-up rot,
rainwater combined with poor ventilation is more likely to be the cause of
top-down rot, and that's how most wood boats rot.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
~~ Ventis secundis, tene cursum ~~

I 've heard the same stuff. Including the adding salt to the bilge of a
fresh water wood boat. Makes sense when you consider how old some of the
tall ships can get.

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:23:42 -0400, "jamesgangnc"
wrote:

"Garth Almgren" wrote in message
...
Around 6/1/2008 6:39 PM, Garth Almgren wrote:

Around 6/1/2008 5:46 PM, JimH wrote:

On Jun 1, 8:30 pm, Garth Almgren wrote:
Around 6/1/2008 5:03 PM, JimH wrote:

On Jun 1, 7:54 pm, Garth Almgren wrote:
Around 5/30/2008 2:04 PM, JimH wrote:
Freshwater is always the best option.
Unless it's a wood boat. :)

A good friend of mine has a '69 Lyman (wood). It indeed requires a
lot of work but would it require less if used in salt water?
There a lot of nasty wood-eating parasites that live in fresh water.
You
do have to worry more about fitting corrosion in salt, but keep the
rain
off and the zincs and bottom paint fresh, and the hull will last longer
than in fresh.

-- Or so I've been told, and it's worked well so far for dad's '42
Chris, which has spent her entire life in salt (well, brackish) water
covered moorage.


Can you provide some links backing up that information?

I do not have a dog in this hunt but I would like to see verification
that wood powerboats last last longer in salt water vs. freshwater.

Like I said, I've been told; I haven't done any research on my own on the
topic, and the only evidence I can present is anecdotal. From the quick
searches I just did, most websites seem to agree that salt water
definitely has anti-fungal/anti-rot properties, with some people going so
far as to spread salt in the bilge.

That said, the Wooden Boat forum (http://www.woodenboat.com/forum/)
contains a wealth of knowledge about wooden boats and boating and a quick
Google search brings back over 300,000 hits:
http://www.google.com/search?q=woode...freshwater+rot

If you wanted a really authoritative answer, you might want to contact
the folks over at the Center for Wooden Boats: http://www.cwb.org

Here's a good one:
http://www.woodenboat.com/forum//showthread.php?t=8105

My understanding is that while salt water will prevent most bottom-up rot,
rainwater combined with poor ventilation is more likely to be the cause of
top-down rot, and that's how most wood boats rot.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats." -- Kenneth Grahame
~~ Ventis secundis, tene cursum ~~

I 've heard the same stuff. Including the adding salt to the bilge of a
fresh water wood boat. Makes sense when you consider how old some of the
tall ships can get.

Especially in the case of the ones built of steel. The Coast Guards
ship is ex Kreigsmarine, built as a training ship in the thirties. The
Germans had three and they are all still around.

Casady

Saltwater vs. fresh water boat....
 

On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:17:44 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:54:52 -0700, Garth Almgren
wrote:

Around 5/30/2008 2:04 PM, JimH wrote:

Freshwater is always the best option.


Unless it's a wood boat. :)

To some extent.

In days of old, it was common practice to occasionally take whaling
ships and other large wooden vessels up a river to fresh water for a
period of time to kill salt water parasites.

The scourge of tropical waters and wood is the shipworm. Properly,
teredo. The have a rasplike head and can do as through a job as
termites.

Casady

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