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ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
My BIL has been asking me for years to winterize his inboard outboard
boat. I never realized how much he was paying until yesterday. I'm a shop teacher with a good working knowledge of mechanics and small engines. From what I've read, it seams that the job is fogging the cylinders, change the oil/filter, change outboard trans fluid, antifreeze the coolant, and stabil the gas. Is that it? Are special tools or equipment needed? thanks, Ron |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On May 27, 1:45*pm, wrote:
My BIL has been asking me for years to winterize his inboard outboard boat. I never realized how much he was paying until yesterday. I'm a shop teacher with a good working knowledge of mechanics and small engines. From what I've read, it seams that the job is fogging the cylinders, change the oil/filter, change outboard trans fluid, antifreeze the coolant, and stabil the gas. Is that it? *Are special tools or equipment needed? thanks, Ron If you tell us more about what make and model engine, on what boat, and as much about the configuration as you can. There are a couple of pro mechanics here that would probably be able to point you in the right direction. I am sure you will get some general stuff, but if you were more specific, they could be too. Unfortunately, that is the most help I can give you. Scotty |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On May 27, 1:45*pm, wrote:
My BIL has been asking me for years to winterize his inboard outboard boat. I never realized how much he was paying until yesterday. I'm a shop teacher with a good working knowledge of mechanics and small engines. From what I've read, it seams that the job is fogging the cylinders, change the oil/filter, change outboard trans fluid, antifreeze the coolant, and stabil the gas. Is that it? *Are special tools or equipment needed? thanks, Ron Many service manuals have details on winterizing. And you will find a lot on the web as well. You've got the basics right but I would add that often people just drain the cooling system instead of adding antifreeze. On most engines this usually means just removing the drain plug(s) on the block and disconnecting a few low hoses. Getting antifreeze in can be tricky since some i/o cooling designs bypass the engine until it gets hot. No special tools needed. Is this a mercrusier? Or one of the others? |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
I would think as the engine is sitting on the boat floor, the oil
would have to be sucked out rather than drained as a car. Don't these engines use antifreeze in the coolant all the time to prevent rust? So for winterization, wouldn't it just be a matter of increasing the % of it? ron |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
I just realized they don't use a radiator and only circulate the
water. If the block is drained, why add antifreeze? |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On Tue, 27 May 2008 16:40:01 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
I just realized they don't use a radiator and only circulate the water. If the block is drained, why add antifreeze? If you are sure every little crack and crevice in the engine is drained, then it's not necessary. As the owner for about eight years of an I/O 5.7L Mercruiser, I had the antifreeze added every year - even with the global warming. -- John *H* |
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ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
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... I just realized they don't use a radiator and only circulate the water. If the block is drained, why add antifreeze? Most people simply drain the block and do not add antifreeze. All the blocks have a drain plug at the lowest point in them. There is also typically drain plugs on the exhaust manifolds or you disconnect the hoses going into the bottoms of the exhaust manifolds. Often you disconnect the hose coming in from the outside as well. On a Mercrusier this often will be going to a water exchange power steering fluid cooler. The out drive should be lowered for storage and it will drain it's self in this position. Unless you have one of the more sophisticated closed cooling systems there is not any antifreeze anywhere. "Raw water" cools everything and then is pumped back out with the exhaust. There are closed systems that have a water exchange radiator instead of an air exchange one. It will look like a big tank somewhere on the front of the engine. They still need the raw water sections drained but it's not likely your friend has one of these. The oil is usually pumped out the dipstick tube. There are electric pumps and cheaper hand pumps. It is way easier to get the oil if you run the engine and get the oil hot first. Don't run it on land without the rubber garden hose muffs hooked to the outdrive and the water turned on. Or if it has a raw water pickup on the bottom there is other solutions for hooking a garden hose to it. The raw water supply pump is rubber vaned and the rubber will melt in short order if it is run dry. |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
jamesgangnc wrote:
wrote in message ... I just realized they don't use a radiator and only circulate the water. If the block is drained, why add antifreeze? Most people simply drain the block and do not add antifreeze. All the blocks have a drain plug at the lowest point in them. There is also typically drain plugs on the exhaust manifolds or you disconnect the hoses going into the bottoms of the exhaust manifolds. Often you disconnect the hose coming in from the outside as well. On a Mercrusier this often will be going to a water exchange power steering fluid cooler. The out drive should be lowered for storage and it will drain it's self in this position. Unless you have one of the more sophisticated closed cooling systems there is not any antifreeze anywhere. "Raw water" cools everything and then is pumped back out with the exhaust. There are closed systems that have a water exchange radiator instead of an air exchange one. It will look like a big tank somewhere on the front of the engine. They still need the raw water sections drained but it's not likely your friend has one of these. The oil is usually pumped out the dipstick tube. There are electric pumps and cheaper hand pumps. It is way easier to get the oil if you run the engine and get the oil hot first. Don't run it on land without the rubber garden hose muffs hooked to the outdrive and the water turned on. Or if it has a raw water pickup on the bottom there is other solutions for hooking a garden hose to it. The raw water supply pump is rubber vaned and the rubber will melt in short order if it is run dry. Are outdrives stored for the winter with the drive up or down? Most outboard boats that are properly covered and stored up here where we have freezing temps have the outboard tilted up (for ground clearance), and the through-hub exhaust taped and covered so water cannot get into the apparatus there, freeze, expand, and do damage. |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
"HK" wrote in message
... jamesgangnc wrote: wrote in message ... I just realized they don't use a radiator and only circulate the water. If the block is drained, why add antifreeze? Most people simply drain the block and do not add antifreeze. All the blocks have a drain plug at the lowest point in them. There is also typically drain plugs on the exhaust manifolds or you disconnect the hoses going into the bottoms of the exhaust manifolds. Often you disconnect the hose coming in from the outside as well. On a Mercrusier this often will be going to a water exchange power steering fluid cooler. The out drive should be lowered for storage and it will drain it's self in this position. Unless you have one of the more sophisticated closed cooling systems there is not any antifreeze anywhere. "Raw water" cools everything and then is pumped back out with the exhaust. There are closed systems that have a water exchange radiator instead of an air exchange one. It will look like a big tank somewhere on the front of the engine. They still need the raw water sections drained but it's not likely your friend has one of these. The oil is usually pumped out the dipstick tube. There are electric pumps and cheaper hand pumps. It is way easier to get the oil if you run the engine and get the oil hot first. Don't run it on land without the rubber garden hose muffs hooked to the outdrive and the water turned on. Or if it has a raw water pickup on the bottom there is other solutions for hooking a garden hose to it. The raw water supply pump is rubber vaned and the rubber will melt in short order if it is run dry. Are outdrives stored for the winter with the drive up or down? Most outboard boats that are properly covered and stored up here where we have freezing temps have the outboard tilted up (for ground clearance), and the through-hub exhaust taped and covered so water cannot get into the apparatus there, freeze, expand, and do damage. Outdrives should be stored tilited down, ie the position where the prop shaft is parallel to the boat hull. You want the rubber bellows in a neutral position when it sits so it doesn't "take" a curved shape from sitting. Just about all boats have clearance for the drive, i/o or outboard, to be down because of the trailer height from the ground. If your outboard sticks further down than that you probably have it mounted too low anyway. |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
jamesgangnc wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... jamesgangnc wrote: wrote in message ... I just realized they don't use a radiator and only circulate the water. If the block is drained, why add antifreeze? Most people simply drain the block and do not add antifreeze. All the blocks have a drain plug at the lowest point in them. There is also typically drain plugs on the exhaust manifolds or you disconnect the hoses going into the bottoms of the exhaust manifolds. Often you disconnect the hose coming in from the outside as well. On a Mercrusier this often will be going to a water exchange power steering fluid cooler. The out drive should be lowered for storage and it will drain it's self in this position. Unless you have one of the more sophisticated closed cooling systems there is not any antifreeze anywhere. "Raw water" cools everything and then is pumped back out with the exhaust. There are closed systems that have a water exchange radiator instead of an air exchange one. It will look like a big tank somewhere on the front of the engine. They still need the raw water sections drained but it's not likely your friend has one of these. The oil is usually pumped out the dipstick tube. There are electric pumps and cheaper hand pumps. It is way easier to get the oil if you run the engine and get the oil hot first. Don't run it on land without the rubber garden hose muffs hooked to the outdrive and the water turned on. Or if it has a raw water pickup on the bottom there is other solutions for hooking a garden hose to it. The raw water supply pump is rubber vaned and the rubber will melt in short order if it is run dry. Are outdrives stored for the winter with the drive up or down? Most outboard boats that are properly covered and stored up here where we have freezing temps have the outboard tilted up (for ground clearance), and the through-hub exhaust taped and covered so water cannot get into the apparatus there, freeze, expand, and do damage. Outdrives should be stored tilited down, ie the position where the prop shaft is parallel to the boat hull. You want the rubber bellows in a neutral position when it sits so it doesn't "take" a curved shape from sitting. Just about all boats have clearance for the drive, i/o or outboard, to be down because of the trailer height from the ground. If your outboard sticks further down than that you probably have it mounted too low anyway. Naw. For winter storage, most of us prop the front of the trailer way up high...not high enough to lift the front wheels of the trailer up off the group, but high enough to assure good drainage if any water gets into the boat because of a shrink wrap failure, or because of condensation. That tends to lower the stern. I can trailer my boat with the outboard down, but I don't. |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:57:16 -0400, "jamesgangnc" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... jamesgangnc wrote: wrote in message ... I just realized they don't use a radiator and only circulate the water. If the block is drained, why add antifreeze? Most people simply drain the block and do not add antifreeze. All the blocks have a drain plug at the lowest point in them. There is also typically drain plugs on the exhaust manifolds or you disconnect the hoses going into the bottoms of the exhaust manifolds. Often you disconnect the hose coming in from the outside as well. On a Mercrusier this often will be going to a water exchange power steering fluid cooler. The out drive should be lowered for storage and it will drain it's self in this position. Unless you have one of the more sophisticated closed cooling systems there is not any antifreeze anywhere. "Raw water" cools everything and then is pumped back out with the exhaust. There are closed systems that have a water exchange radiator instead of an air exchange one. It will look like a big tank somewhere on the front of the engine. They still need the raw water sections drained but it's not likely your friend has one of these. The oil is usually pumped out the dipstick tube. There are electric pumps and cheaper hand pumps. It is way easier to get the oil if you run the engine and get the oil hot first. Don't run it on land without the rubber garden hose muffs hooked to the outdrive and the water turned on. Or if it has a raw water pickup on the bottom there is other solutions for hooking a garden hose to it. The raw water supply pump is rubber vaned and the rubber will melt in short order if it is run dry. Are outdrives stored for the winter with the drive up or down? Most outboard boats that are properly covered and stored up here where we have freezing temps have the outboard tilted up (for ground clearance), and the through-hub exhaust taped and covered so water cannot get into the apparatus there, freeze, expand, and do damage. Outdrives should be stored tilited down, ie the position where the prop shaft is parallel to the boat hull. You want the rubber bellows in a neutral position when it sits so it doesn't "take" a curved shape from sitting. Just about all boats have clearance for the drive, i/o or outboard, to be down because of the trailer height from the ground. If your outboard sticks further down than that you probably have it mounted too low anyway. What you say, especially for I/Os sounds reasonable, so I called one of the bigger marinas in the area to see how they did it. Their response was that they were stored with the outdrive up, and/or the outboard up. -- John *H* |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On May 28, 9:57 am, "jamesgangnc" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... jamesgangnc wrote: wrote in message ... I just realized they don't use a radiator and only circulate the water. If the block is drained, why add antifreeze? Most people simply drain the block and do not add antifreeze. All the blocks have a drain plug at the lowest point in them. There is also typically drain plugs on the exhaust manifolds or you disconnect the hoses going into the bottoms of the exhaust manifolds. Often you disconnect the hose coming in from the outside as well. On a Mercrusier this often will be going to a water exchange power steering fluid cooler. The out drive should be lowered for storage and it will drain it's self in this position. Unless you have one of the more sophisticated closed cooling systems there is not any antifreeze anywhere. "Raw water" cools everything and then is pumped back out with the exhaust. There are closed systems that have a water exchange radiator instead of an air exchange one. It will look like a big tank somewhere on the front of the engine. They still need the raw water sections drained but it's not likely your friend has one of these. The oil is usually pumped out the dipstick tube. There are electric pumps and cheaper hand pumps. It is way easier to get the oil if you run the engine and get the oil hot first. Don't run it on land without the rubber garden hose muffs hooked to the outdrive and the water turned on. Or if it has a raw water pickup on the bottom there is other solutions for hooking a garden hose to it. The raw water supply pump is rubber vaned and the rubber will melt in short order if it is run dry. Are outdrives stored for the winter with the drive up or down? Most outboard boats that are properly covered and stored up here where we have freezing temps have the outboard tilted up (for ground clearance), and the through-hub exhaust taped and covered so water cannot get into the apparatus there, freeze, expand, and do damage. Outdrives should be stored tilited down, ie the position where the prop shaft is parallel to the boat hull. You want the rubber bellows in a neutral position when it sits so it doesn't "take" a curved shape from sitting. Just about all boats have clearance for the drive, i/o or outboard, to be down because of the trailer height from the ground. If your outboard sticks further down than that you probably have it mounted too low anyway. Bingo! You care indeed correct. I keep my I/O down during the winter and down even when idle at the dock. |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On May 28, 11:05*am, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:57:16 -0400, "jamesgangnc" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... jamesgangnc wrote: wrote in message .... I just realized they don't use a radiator and only circulate the water. If the block is drained, why add antifreeze? Most people simply drain the block and do not add antifreeze. *All the blocks have a drain plug at the lowest point in them. *There is also typically drain plugs on the exhaust manifolds or you disconnect the hoses going into the bottoms of the exhaust manifolds. *Often you disconnect the hose coming in from the outside as well. *On a Mercrusier this often will be going to a water exchange power steering fluid cooler. The out drive should be lowered for storage and it will drain it's self in this position. Unless you have one of the more sophisticated closed cooling systems there is not any antifreeze anywhere. *"Raw water" cools everything and then is pumped back out with the exhaust. *There are closed systems that have a water exchange radiator instead of an air exchange one. *It will look like a big tank somewhere on the front of the engine. *They still need the raw water sections drained but it's not likely your friend has one of these. The oil is usually pumped out the dipstick tube. *There are electric pumps and cheaper hand pumps. *It is way easier to get the oil if you run the engine and get the oil hot first. *Don't run it on land without the rubber garden hose muffs hooked to the outdrive and the water turned on. |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
JimH wrote:
On May 28, 9:57 am, "jamesgangnc" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... jamesgangnc wrote: wrote in message ... I just realized they don't use a radiator and only circulate the water. If the block is drained, why add antifreeze? Most people simply drain the block and do not add antifreeze. All the blocks have a drain plug at the lowest point in them. There is also typically drain plugs on the exhaust manifolds or you disconnect the hoses going into the bottoms of the exhaust manifolds. Often you disconnect the hose coming in from the outside as well. On a Mercrusier this often will be going to a water exchange power steering fluid cooler. The out drive should be lowered for storage and it will drain it's self in this position. Unless you have one of the more sophisticated closed cooling systems there is not any antifreeze anywhere. "Raw water" cools everything and then is pumped back out with the exhaust. There are closed systems that have a water exchange radiator instead of an air exchange one. It will look like a big tank somewhere on the front of the engine. They still need the raw water sections drained but it's not likely your friend has one of these. The oil is usually pumped out the dipstick tube. There are electric pumps and cheaper hand pumps. It is way easier to get the oil if you run the engine and get the oil hot first. Don't run it on land without the rubber garden hose muffs hooked to the outdrive and the water turned on. Or if it has a raw water pickup on the bottom there is other solutions for hooking a garden hose to it. The raw water supply pump is rubber vaned and the rubber will melt in short order if it is run dry. Are outdrives stored for the winter with the drive up or down? Most outboard boats that are properly covered and stored up here where we have freezing temps have the outboard tilted up (for ground clearance), and the through-hub exhaust taped and covered so water cannot get into the apparatus there, freeze, expand, and do damage. Outdrives should be stored tilited down, ie the position where the prop shaft is parallel to the boat hull. You want the rubber bellows in a neutral position when it sits so it doesn't "take" a curved shape from sitting. Just about all boats have clearance for the drive, i/o or outboard, to be down because of the trailer height from the ground. If your outboard sticks further down than that you probably have it mounted too low anyway. Bingo! You care indeed correct. I keep my I/O down during the winter and down even when idle at the dock. Well, as I have stated any number of times, I've never owned an I/O and have very little knowledge about them...but I know I don't like them much! |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
"John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:57:16 -0400, "jamesgangnc" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... jamesgangnc wrote: wrote in message ... I just realized they don't use a radiator and only circulate the water. If the block is drained, why add antifreeze? Most people simply drain the block and do not add antifreeze. All the blocks have a drain plug at the lowest point in them. There is also typically drain plugs on the exhaust manifolds or you disconnect the hoses going into the bottoms of the exhaust manifolds. Often you disconnect the hose coming in from the outside as well. On a Mercrusier this often will be going to a water exchange power steering fluid cooler. The out drive should be lowered for storage and it will drain it's self in this position. Unless you have one of the more sophisticated closed cooling systems there is not any antifreeze anywhere. "Raw water" cools everything and then is pumped back out with the exhaust. There are closed systems that have a water exchange radiator instead of an air exchange one. It will look like a big tank somewhere on the front of the engine. They still need the raw water sections drained but it's not likely your friend has one of these. The oil is usually pumped out the dipstick tube. There are electric pumps and cheaper hand pumps. It is way easier to get the oil if you run the engine and get the oil hot first. Don't run it on land without the rubber garden hose muffs hooked to the outdrive and the water turned on. Or if it has a raw water pickup on the bottom there is other solutions for hooking a garden hose to it. The raw water supply pump is rubber vaned and the rubber will melt in short order if it is run dry. Are outdrives stored for the winter with the drive up or down? Most outboard boats that are properly covered and stored up here where we have freezing temps have the outboard tilted up (for ground clearance), and the through-hub exhaust taped and covered so water cannot get into the apparatus there, freeze, expand, and do damage. Outdrives should be stored tilited down, ie the position where the prop shaft is parallel to the boat hull. You want the rubber bellows in a neutral position when it sits so it doesn't "take" a curved shape from sitting. Just about all boats have clearance for the drive, i/o or outboard, to be down because of the trailer height from the ground. If your outboard sticks further down than that you probably have it mounted too low anyway. What you say, especially for I/Os sounds reasonable, so I called one of the bigger marinas in the area to see how they did it. Their response was that they were stored with the outdrive up, and/or the outboard up. -- John *H* Surprising answer. I would not do business with that marina. |
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On May 28, 10:22*am, HK wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... jamesgangnc wrote: wrote in message .... I just realized they don't use a radiator and only circulate the water. If the block is drained, why add antifreeze? Most people simply drain the block and do not add antifreeze. *All the blocks have a drain plug at the lowest point in them. *There is also typically drain plugs on the exhaust manifolds or you disconnect the hoses going into the bottoms of the exhaust manifolds. *Often you disconnect the hose coming in from the outside as well. *On a Mercrusier this often will be going to a water exchange power steering fluid cooler. The out drive should be lowered for storage and it will drain it's self in this position. Unless you have one of the more sophisticated closed cooling systems there is not any antifreeze anywhere. *"Raw water" cools everything and then is pumped back out with the exhaust. *There are closed systems that have a water exchange radiator instead of an air exchange one. *It will look like a big tank somewhere on the front of the engine. *They still need the raw water sections drained but it's not likely your friend has one of these. The oil is usually pumped out the dipstick tube. *There are electric pumps and cheaper hand pumps. *It is way easier to get the oil if you run the engine and get the oil hot first. *Don't run it on land without the rubber garden hose muffs hooked to the outdrive and the water turned on. |
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ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:22:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is
Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:06:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: JimH wrote: Folks here should remember to take caution when receiving advice from just any poster. This NG has its share of non boaters and mechanically challenged boaters. I completely agree with you, but would take it a few steps further. I would be hesitant to follow anyone's advice in any NG without verifying the information. In general the advice given in all NG's are contradictory and many times the advice given can be very dangerous to follow. I have often received some great advice in NG's, but have always verified the advice from a mfg and/or mechanic. In all NG's there are people who think they are "the pro from Dover", but continually give incorrect advice. JohnH owns an outboard motor, so it does not surprise me he was not familiar with how to store a stern drive, which is why he called the marina. He is also one of those people who KNOWS he is not the "Pro from Dover:, and doesn't pretend to be one in the NG. I called that specific marina to see how they did it. I stored my I/O with the drive down in a boatel. I very seldom raised my sterndrive for anything, unless I trailered somewhere. That was done very infrequently. JimH should be very proud that you responded to him. Most folks aren't. My mistake. He's confused giving advice with reporting what TriState Marine does. But..... -- John *H* |
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On May 28, 5:50 pm, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:22:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:06:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: JimH wrote: Folks here should remember to take caution when receiving advice from just any poster. This NG has its share of non boaters and mechanically challenged boaters. I completely agree with you, but would take it a few steps further. I would be hesitant to follow anyone's advice in any NG without verifying the information. In general the advice given in all NG's are contradictory and many times the advice given can be very dangerous to follow. I have often received some great advice in NG's, but have always verified the advice from a mfg and/or mechanic. In all NG's there are people who think they are "the pro from Dover", but continually give incorrect advice. JohnH owns an outboard motor, so it does not surprise me he was not familiar with how to store a stern drive, which is why he called the marina. He is also one of those people who KNOWS he is not the "Pro from Dover:, and doesn't pretend to be one in the NG. I called that specific marina to see how they did it. I stored my I/O with the drive down in a boatel. I very seldom raised my sterndrive for anything, unless I trailered somewhere. That was done very infrequently. JimH should be very proud that you responded to him. Most folks aren't. My mistake. He's confused giving advice with reporting what TriState Marine does. But..... -- John *H* Just received another nasty and vulgar email from you. Will you please stop? |
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On May 28, 5:53 pm, JimH wrote:
On May 28, 5:50 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:22:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:06:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: JimH wrote: Folks here should remember to take caution when receiving advice from just any poster. This NG has its share of non boaters and mechanically challenged boaters. I completely agree with you, but would take it a few steps further. I would be hesitant to follow anyone's advice in any NG without verifying the information. In general the advice given in all NG's are contradictory and many times the advice given can be very dangerous to follow. I have often received some great advice in NG's, but have always verified the advice from a mfg and/or mechanic. In all NG's there are people who think they are "the pro from Dover", but continually give incorrect advice. JohnH owns an outboard motor, so it does not surprise me he was not familiar with how to store a stern drive, which is why he called the marina. He is also one of those people who KNOWS he is not the "Pro from Dover:, and doesn't pretend to be one in the NG. I called that specific marina to see how they did it. I stored my I/O with the drive down in a boatel. I very seldom raised my sterndrive for anything, unless I trailered somewhere. That was done very infrequently. JimH should be very proud that you responded to him. Most folks aren't. My mistake. He's confused giving advice with reporting what TriState Marine does. But..... -- John *H* Just received another nasty and vulgar email from you. Will you please stop? Just received a third vulgar email from John H. Get help John. And please stop emailing me. I had to ask the same of you at another board with your constant vulgar and nasty PM's to me. |
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"JimH" wrote in message ... On May 28, 5:53 pm, JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:50 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:22:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:06:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: JimH wrote: Folks here should remember to take caution when receiving advice from just any poster. This NG has its share of non boaters and mechanically challenged boaters. I completely agree with you, but would take it a few steps further. I would be hesitant to follow anyone's advice in any NG without verifying the information. In general the advice given in all NG's are contradictory and many times the advice given can be very dangerous to follow. I have often received some great advice in NG's, but have always verified the advice from a mfg and/or mechanic. In all NG's there are people who think they are "the pro from Dover", but continually give incorrect advice. JohnH owns an outboard motor, so it does not surprise me he was not familiar with how to store a stern drive, which is why he called the marina. He is also one of those people who KNOWS he is not the "Pro from Dover:, and doesn't pretend to be one in the NG. I called that specific marina to see how they did it. I stored my I/O with the drive down in a boatel. I very seldom raised my sterndrive for anything, unless I trailered somewhere. That was done very infrequently. JimH should be very proud that you responded to him. Most folks aren't. My mistake. He's confused giving advice with reporting what TriState Marine does. But..... -- John *H* Just received another nasty and vulgar email from you. Will you please stop? Just received a third vulgar email from John H. Get help John. And please stop emailing me. I had to ask the same of you at another board with your constant vulgar and nasty PM's to me. Sent me a direct e-mail also in reference to my post here. It's all part of his new terrorost campaign.......... to slip into your home uninvited. |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On May 28, 6:10 pm, JimH wrote:
On May 28, 5:53 pm, JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:50 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:22:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:06:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: JimH wrote: Folks here should remember to take caution when receiving advice from just any poster. This NG has its share of non boaters and mechanically challenged boaters. I completely agree with you, but would take it a few steps further. I would be hesitant to follow anyone's advice in any NG without verifying the information. In general the advice given in all NG's are contradictory and many times the advice given can be very dangerous to follow. I have often received some great advice in NG's, but have always verified the advice from a mfg and/or mechanic. In all NG's there are people who think they are "the pro from Dover", but continually give incorrect advice. JohnH owns an outboard motor, so it does not surprise me he was not familiar with how to store a stern drive, which is why he called the marina. He is also one of those people who KNOWS he is not the "Pro from Dover:, and doesn't pretend to be one in the NG. I called that specific marina to see how they did it. I stored my I/O with the drive down in a boatel. I very seldom raised my sterndrive for anything, unless I trailered somewhere. That was done very infrequently. JimH should be very proud that you responded to him. Most folks aren't. My mistake. He's confused giving advice with reporting what TriState Marine does. But..... -- John *H* Just received another nasty and vulgar email from you. Will you please stop? Just received a third vulgar email from John H. Get help John. And please stop emailing me. I had to ask the same of you at another board with your constant vulgar and nasty PM's to me. The count is up to 4. Another one just received. I hope you folks are starting to see a pattern here. |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On May 28, 6:25 pm, JG2U wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2008 15:10:26 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:53 pm, JimH wrote: Just received another nasty and vulgar email from you. Will you please stop? Just received a third vulgar email from John H. Get help John. And please stop emailing me. I had to ask the same of you at another board with your constant vulgar and nasty PM's to me. This is not a IM board for your personal use, JimH. If you have a problem with someone, you should take it off-line to PM. Otherwise, you're part of the problem. I tried that route before but it did not work.........either the nasty PM's or emails continued. The only way to make him stop is to make his obnoxious behavior public. Sorry that letting members here know about that behavior offended you. |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
"JimH" wrote in message ... On May 28, 6:10 pm, JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:53 pm, JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:50 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:22:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:06:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: JimH wrote: Folks here should remember to take caution when receiving advice from just any poster. This NG has its share of non boaters and mechanically challenged boaters. I completely agree with you, but would take it a few steps further. I would be hesitant to follow anyone's advice in any NG without verifying the information. In general the advice given in all NG's are contradictory and many times the advice given can be very dangerous to follow. I have often received some great advice in NG's, but have always verified the advice from a mfg and/or mechanic. In all NG's there are people who think they are "the pro from Dover", but continually give incorrect advice. JohnH owns an outboard motor, so it does not surprise me he was not familiar with how to store a stern drive, which is why he called the marina. He is also one of those people who KNOWS he is not the "Pro from Dover:, and doesn't pretend to be one in the NG. I called that specific marina to see how they did it. I stored my I/O with the drive down in a boatel. I very seldom raised my sterndrive for anything, unless I trailered somewhere. That was done very infrequently. JimH should be very proud that you responded to him. Most folks aren't. My mistake. He's confused giving advice with reporting what TriState Marine does. But..... -- John *H* Just received another nasty and vulgar email from you. Will you please stop? Just received a third vulgar email from John H. Get help John. And please stop emailing me. I had to ask the same of you at another board with your constant vulgar and nasty PM's to me. The count is up to 4. Another one just received. I hope you folks are starting to see a pattern here. Nobody here can do anything about it. Maybe his ISP/email provider? |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On May 28, 6:44 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message ... On May 28, 6:10 pm, JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:53 pm, JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:50 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:22:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:06:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: JimH wrote: Folks here should remember to take caution when receiving advice from just any poster. This NG has its share of non boaters and mechanically challenged boaters. I completely agree with you, but would take it a few steps further. I would be hesitant to follow anyone's advice in any NG without verifying the information. In general the advice given in all NG's are contradictory and many times the advice given can be very dangerous to follow. I have often received some great advice in NG's, but have always verified the advice from a mfg and/or mechanic. In all NG's there are people who think they are "the pro from Dover", but continually give incorrect advice. JohnH owns an outboard motor, so it does not surprise me he was not familiar with how to store a stern drive, which is why he called the marina. He is also one of those people who KNOWS he is not the "Pro from Dover:, and doesn't pretend to be one in the NG. I called that specific marina to see how they did it. I stored my I/O with the drive down in a boatel. I very seldom raised my sterndrive for anything, unless I trailered somewhere. That was done very infrequently. JimH should be very proud that you responded to him. Most folks aren't. My mistake. He's confused giving advice with reporting what TriState Marine does. But..... -- John *H* Just received another nasty and vulgar email from you. Will you please stop? Just received a third vulgar email from John H. Get help John. And please stop emailing me. I had to ask the same of you at another board with your constant vulgar and nasty PM's to me. The count is up to 4. Another one just received. I hope you folks are starting to see a pattern here. Nobody here can do anything about it. Maybe his ISP/email provider? Agreed. That may be my last step if he cannot honor my multiple requests for him to stop. |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On Wed, 28 May 2008 18:44:37 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message ... On May 28, 6:10 pm, JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:53 pm, JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:50 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:22:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:06:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: JimH wrote: Folks here should remember to take caution when receiving advice from just any poster. This NG has its share of non boaters and mechanically challenged boaters. I completely agree with you, but would take it a few steps further. I would be hesitant to follow anyone's advice in any NG without verifying the information. In general the advice given in all NG's are contradictory and many times the advice given can be very dangerous to follow. I have often received some great advice in NG's, but have always verified the advice from a mfg and/or mechanic. In all NG's there are people who think they are "the pro from Dover", but continually give incorrect advice. JohnH owns an outboard motor, so it does not surprise me he was not familiar with how to store a stern drive, which is why he called the marina. He is also one of those people who KNOWS he is not the "Pro from Dover:, and doesn't pretend to be one in the NG. I called that specific marina to see how they did it. I stored my I/O with the drive down in a boatel. I very seldom raised my sterndrive for anything, unless I trailered somewhere. That was done very infrequently. JimH should be very proud that you responded to him. Most folks aren't. My mistake. He's confused giving advice with reporting what TriState Marine does. But..... -- John *H* Just received another nasty and vulgar email from you. Will you please stop? Just received a third vulgar email from John H. Get help John. And please stop emailing me. I had to ask the same of you at another board with your constant vulgar and nasty PM's to me. The count is up to 4. Another one just received. I hope you folks are starting to see a pattern here. Nobody here can do anything about it. Maybe his ISP/email provider? Filters work also. He could just post the messages and show everyone how 'bad' I am. -- John *H* |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2008 18:44:37 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On May 28, 6:10 pm, JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:53 pm, JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:50 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:22:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:06:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: JimH wrote: Folks here should remember to take caution when receiving advice from just any poster. This NG has its share of non boaters and mechanically challenged boaters. I completely agree with you, but would take it a few steps further. I would be hesitant to follow anyone's advice in any NG without verifying the information. In general the advice given in all NG's are contradictory and many times the advice given can be very dangerous to follow. I have often received some great advice in NG's, but have always verified the advice from a mfg and/or mechanic. In all NG's there are people who think they are "the pro from Dover", but continually give incorrect advice. JohnH owns an outboard motor, so it does not surprise me he was not familiar with how to store a stern drive, which is why he called the marina. He is also one of those people who KNOWS he is not the "Pro from Dover:, and doesn't pretend to be one in the NG. I called that specific marina to see how they did it. I stored my I/O with the drive down in a boatel. I very seldom raised my sterndrive for anything, unless I trailered somewhere. That was done very infrequently. JimH should be very proud that you responded to him. Most folks aren't. My mistake. He's confused giving advice with reporting what TriState Marine does. But..... -- John *H* Just received another nasty and vulgar email from you. Will you please stop? Just received a third vulgar email from John H. Get help John. And please stop emailing me. I had to ask the same of you at another board with your constant vulgar and nasty PM's to me. The count is up to 4. Another one just received. I hope you folks are starting to see a pattern here. Nobody here can do anything about it. Maybe his ISP/email provider? Filters work also. He could just post the messages and show everyone how 'bad' I am. Why are you sending multiple emails to people who asked and then told you to stop, crap-for-brains? |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On May 28, 7:21 pm, HK wrote:
John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 18:44:37 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On May 28, 6:10 pm, JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:53 pm, JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:50 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:22:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:06:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: JimH wrote: Folks here should remember to take caution when receiving advice from just any poster. This NG has its share of non boaters and mechanically challenged boaters. I completely agree with you, but would take it a few steps further. I would be hesitant to follow anyone's advice in any NG without verifying the information. In general the advice given in all NG's are contradictory and many times the advice given can be very dangerous to follow. I have often received some great advice in NG's, but have always verified the advice from a mfg and/or mechanic. In all NG's there are people who think they are "the pro from Dover", but continually give incorrect advice. JohnH owns an outboard motor, so it does not surprise me he was not familiar with how to store a stern drive, which is why he called the marina. He is also one of those people who KNOWS he is not the "Pro from Dover:, and doesn't pretend to be one in the NG. I called that specific marina to see how they did it. I stored my I/O with the drive down in a boatel. I very seldom raised my sterndrive for anything, unless I trailered somewhere. That was done very infrequently. JimH should be very proud that you responded to him. Most folks aren't. My mistake. He's confused giving advice with reporting what TriState Marine does. But..... -- John *H* Just received another nasty and vulgar email from you. Will you please stop? Just received a third vulgar email from John H. Get help John. And please stop emailing me. I had to ask the same of you at another board with your constant vulgar and nasty PM's to me. The count is up to 4. Another one just received. I hope you folks are starting to see a pattern here. Nobody here can do anything about it. Maybe his ISP/email provider? Filters work also. He could just post the messages and show everyone how 'bad' I am. Why are you sending multiple emails to people who asked and then told you to stop, crap-for-brains? His intentions by doing so are obvious and define the type of person he is. The sooner the members to realize that the sooner he will be ignored. |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On May 28, 7:28 pm, JimH wrote:
On May 28, 7:21 pm, HK wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 18:44:37 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... On May 28, 6:10 pm, JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:53 pm, JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:50 pm, John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:22:02 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 17:06:32 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie is Here wrote: JimH wrote: Folks here should remember to take caution when receiving advice from just any poster. This NG has its share of non boaters and mechanically challenged boaters. I completely agree with you, but would take it a few steps further. I would be hesitant to follow anyone's advice in any NG without verifying the information. In general the advice given in all NG's are contradictory and many times the advice given can be very dangerous to follow. I have often received some great advice in NG's, but have always verified the advice from a mfg and/or mechanic. In all NG's there are people who think they are "the pro from Dover", but continually give incorrect advice. JohnH owns an outboard motor, so it does not surprise me he was not familiar with how to store a stern drive, which is why he called the marina. He is also one of those people who KNOWS he is not the "Pro from Dover:, and doesn't pretend to be one in the NG. I called that specific marina to see how they did it. I stored my I/O with the drive down in a boatel. I very seldom raised my sterndrive for anything, unless I trailered somewhere. That was done very infrequently. JimH should be very proud that you responded to him. Most folks aren't. My mistake. He's confused giving advice with reporting what TriState Marine does. But..... -- John *H* Just received another nasty and vulgar email from you. Will you please stop? Just received a third vulgar email from John H. Get help John. And please stop emailing me. I had to ask the same of you at another board with your constant vulgar and nasty PM's to me. The count is up to 4. Another one just received. I hope you folks are starting to see a pattern here. Nobody here can do anything about it. Maybe his ISP/email provider? Filters work also. He could just post the messages and show everyone how 'bad' I am. Why are you sending multiple emails to people who asked and then told you to stop, crap-for-brains? His intentions by doing so are obvious and define the type of person he is. The sooner the members here realize that the sooner he will be ignored. edit |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
"John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:19:03 -0400, "Jim" wrote: What you say, especially for I/Os sounds reasonable, so I called one of the bigger marinas in the area to see how they did it. Their response was that they were stored with the outdrive up, and/or the outboard up. -- John *H* Surprising answer. I would not do business with that marina. They do a lot of Grady White and Parker business on the Chesapeake. TriState Marina. I was a little surprised. -- John *H* Those are mostly outboards, aren't they. That would explain why they don't know how to take care of I.O.s |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On May 28, 7:44 pm, "Jim" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:19:03 -0400, "Jim" wrote: What you say, especially for I/Os sounds reasonable, so I called one of the bigger marinas in the area to see how they did it. Their response was that they were stored with the outdrive up, and/or the outboard up. -- John *H* Surprising answer. I would not do business with that marina. They do a lot of Grady White and Parker business on the Chesapeake. TriState Marina. I was a little surprised. -- John *H* Those are mostly outboards, aren't they. That would explain why they don't know how to take care of I.O.s Why the back track on your earlier admonition? |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
JimH wrote:
On May 28, 7:44 pm, "Jim" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:19:03 -0400, "Jim" wrote: What you say, especially for I/Os sounds reasonable, so I called one of the bigger marinas in the area to see how they did it. Their response was that they were stored with the outdrive up, and/or the outboard up. -- John *H* Surprising answer. I would not do business with that marina. They do a lot of Grady White and Parker business on the Chesapeake. TriState Marina. I was a little surprised. -- John *H* Those are mostly outboards, aren't they. That would explain why they don't know how to take care of I.O.s Why the back track on your earlier admonition? This is getting to be absurd. Herring as usual does not know what he is talking about, and it is a good bet that he couldn't even ask his questions properly. Tri-State does not operate one of the "bigger marinas" in the area. It has a very small marina, maybe a dozen slips, most reserved for its demo boats. It has a larger gasoline and diesel pumping service on its floating docks, and a very narrow boat ramp with a small parking lot. The organization does operate two dealerships, one in Deale, Md, and the other across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. The Deale dealership is one of the largest in the area, and while none of the lines it sells new now has an I/0 model, Parker and Grady used to market I/O's and Tri-State assuredly sold a lot of them. The dealership certainly knows how to "take care of " an I/O. Again, I doubt if Herring has the brains to even ask the question properly, or who to ask, or how to understand the answer. If Tri-State tips up the I/O's it winterizes, it surely has a specific reason for doing so. Personally, I don't think Herring could understand the directions for playing with a yo-yo. |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
JG2U wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2008 15:10:26 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:53 pm, JimH wrote: Just received another nasty and vulgar email from you. Will you please stop? Just received a third vulgar email from John H. Get help John. And please stop emailing me. I had to ask the same of you at another board with your constant vulgar and nasty PM's to me. This is not a IM board for your personal use, JimH. If you have a problem with someone, you should take it off-line to PM. Otherwise, you're part of the problem. It's also a lie. "Warp17" is starving for attention. |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:44:47 -0400, "Jim" wrote:
"John H." wrote in message .. . On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:19:03 -0400, "Jim" wrote: What you say, especially for I/Os sounds reasonable, so I called one of the bigger marinas in the area to see how they did it. Their response was that they were stored with the outdrive up, and/or the outboard up. -- John *H* Surprising answer. I would not do business with that marina. They do a lot of Grady White and Parker business on the Chesapeake. TriState Marina. I was a little surprised. -- John *H* Those are mostly outboards, aren't they. That would explain why they don't know how to take care of I.O.s You know, you're probably correct. It's been quite a while since I've seen a Grady with an I/O, or a Parker for that matter. -- John *H* |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On May 28, 8:40 pm, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:44:47 -0400, "Jim" wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:19:03 -0400, "Jim" wrote: What you say, especially for I/Os sounds reasonable, so I called one of the bigger marinas in the area to see how they did it. Their response was that they were stored with the outdrive up, and/or the outboard up. -- John *H* Surprising answer. I would not do business with that marina. They do a lot of Grady White and Parker business on the Chesapeake. TriState Marina. I was a little surprised. -- John *H* Those are mostly outboards, aren't they. That would explain why they don't know how to take care of I.O.s You know, you're probably correct. It's been quite a while since I've seen a Grady with an I/O, or a Parker for that matter. -- John *H* Nice backpeddling guys! ;-) |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
"John H." wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:44:47 -0400, "Jim" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:19:03 -0400, "Jim" wrote: What you say, especially for I/Os sounds reasonable, so I called one of the bigger marinas in the area to see how they did it. Their response was that they were stored with the outdrive up, and/or the outboard up. -- John *H* Surprising answer. I would not do business with that marina. They do a lot of Grady White and Parker business on the Chesapeake. TriState Marina. I was a little surprised. -- John *H* Those are mostly outboards, aren't they. That would explain why they don't know how to take care of I.O.s You know, you're probably correct. It's been quite a while since I've seen a Grady with an I/O, or a Parker for that matter. -- John *H* Is that the joint Harry bought his LT Pahkah from? I seem to remember seeing one of their stickers on his boat or trailer. |
ques about winterizing an in/out board motor
On May 28, 8:18*pm, DK wrote:
JG2U wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 15:10:26 -0700 (PDT), JimH wrote: On May 28, 5:53 pm, JimH wrote: Just received another nasty and vulgar email from you. * Will you please stop? Just received a third vulgar email from John H. Get help John. *And please stop emailing me. * I had to ask the same of you at another board with your constant vulgar and nasty PM's to me. This is not a IM board for your personal use, JimH. *If you have a problem with someone, you should take it off-line to PM. *Otherwise, you're part of the problem. It's also a lie. *"Warp17" is starving for attention.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yup, if warp17 was getting all of those emails from John, he'd post them. |
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