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I may have to buy my youngest a Mac.

http://venturebeat.com/2008/04/16/ib...ke-them-a-lot/

IBM having employees test out Macs at work, and they like them — a lot
MG Siegler | April 16th, 2008 | 18 Comments
When both Microsoft and Apple were just young up-and-comers in the
industry, one company stood above all others: IBM. The behemoth, which
had dominated the tech landscape since the 1930s, was eventually
overshadowed by the two in the operating system and then Internet age,
and exited the PC business in 2005. Now they are just another big tech
company reliant on Microsoft Windows — but that could soon change.

IBM’s Research division has launched a pilot program aimed at moving its
workers away from Windows, according to an internal document
RoughlyDrafted has obtained. The big benefactor here? Apple, a company
which has been doing very well with the personal computer crowd but
hasn’t yet been able to significantly penetrate large corporate
environments.

Interestingly enough, IBM’s program goes so far as to give employees
Apple MacBook Pro laptops instead of their traditional ThinkPads — a
brand IBM developed but sold to Levono in 2005. Its stated reasons for
doing so:

Alternative to Microsoft Windows
Less prone to security issues
Widely used in the academic world with which Research has close ties
Many new hires are more comfortable with the Mac and lately asking for it
Growing Mac community in Research and within IBM that finds the
development environment on Mac more convenient
Growing acceptance of the Mac as a consumer and business oriented client
platform
WPLC strategy includes significant investments in achieving the Mac
platform parity
The limited first phase of the program ran from Ocotober 2007 until
January 2008. When asked about the experience, 18 of the 22 participants
who responded said the Mac offered a better experience than their PC.
One rated it the same, and only three thought it was worse. These test
subjects included research scientists, software engineers and a couple
higher-level employees. Seven of them had little or no Mac experience
prior to the test.

Not surprisingly, all of those who responded positively to the Mac
experience, asked to keep the MacBook Pro rather than return to a ThinkPad.

IBM plans to expand this program in 2008 and the company has even
launched an internal Mac@IBM website. Linux is another Non-Windows OS it
is interested in promoting, but was not a part of this study.

If one of the largest corporations in the world is experimenting with
using Apple computers, and its employees are preferring it at an 86
percent rate, perhaps it’s not too early for Microsoft to start worrying
about their enterprise dominance.

This experiment has all the makings of another “I’m a PC/I’m a Mac”
commercials in the future.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
I may have to buy my youngest a Mac.


Mild curiosity, Reggie. Is your kid so mentally or genetically
"challenged," he can't figure out what computer to buy without your
"help"? I mean, you know nothing about computers...your kid, if he has a
working brain, must know more than you do, right?

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On Apr 17, 12:17*pm, HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I may have to buy my youngest a Mac.

Mild curiosity, Reggie. Is your kid so mentally or genetically
"challenged," he can't figure out what computer to buy without your
"help"? I mean, you know nothing about computers...your kid, if he has a
working brain, must know more than you do, right?

Gee, I guess you could have said the same exact thing about a certain
person's ego helping Marine son......

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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:40:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 17, 12:17*pm, HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I may have to buy my youngest a Mac.

Mild curiosity, Reggie. Is your kid so mentally or genetically
"challenged," he can't figure out what computer to buy without your
"help"? I mean, you know nothing about computers...your kid, if he has a
working brain, must know more than you do, right?

Gee, I guess you could have said the same exact thing about a certain
person's ego helping Marine son......

Does 'buying for' or 'helping buy' a computer for a relative indicate the
relative is mentally or genetically challenged?

Did someone really say something like that? Gosh, I gave my niece a laptop
and she's graduating from Virginia Tech with a Physical Therapy degree.
But, those may be easily obtainable.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:40:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 17, 12:17 pm, HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I may have to buy my youngest a Mac.
Mild curiosity, Reggie. Is your kid so mentally or genetically
"challenged," he can't figure out what computer to buy without your
"help"? I mean, you know nothing about computers...your kid, if he has a
working brain, must know more than you do, right?
Gee, I guess you could have said the same exact thing about a certain
person's ego helping Marine son......

Does 'buying for' or 'helping buy' a computer for a relative indicate the
relative is mentally or genetically challenged?

Did someone really say something like that? Gosh, I gave my niece a laptop
and she's graduating from Virginia Tech with a Physical Therapy degree.
But, those may be easily obtainable.

My son already told me he would pay the difference between a PC and a
MAC, my youngest is my daughter, who liked the PC because of her "fun"
software. I wonder if MAC is behind industrial sabotage and they sent
over some of their engineers to help design Vista. It sure looks like
it. No body could screw it up that bad without trying.

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:40:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 17, 12:17 pm, HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I may have to buy my youngest a Mac.
Mild curiosity, Reggie. Is your kid so mentally or genetically
"challenged," he can't figure out what computer to buy without your
"help"? I mean, you know nothing about computers...your kid, if he
has a
working brain, must know more than you do, right?
Gee, I guess you could have said the same exact thing about a certain
person's ego helping Marine son......

Does 'buying for' or 'helping buy' a computer for a relative indicate the
relative is mentally or genetically challenged?

Did someone really say something like that? Gosh, I gave my niece a
laptop
and she's graduating from Virginia Tech with a Physical Therapy degree.
But, those may be easily obtainable.

My son already told me he would pay the difference between a PC and a
MAC, my youngest is my daughter, who liked the PC because of her "fun"
software. I wonder if MAC is behind industrial sabotage and they sent
over some of their engineers to help design Vista. It sure looks like
it. No body could screw it up that bad without trying.


Your computer posts are like your boating posts: entirely made of up
pickings from google. Interesting.

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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:29:55 -0400, "JimH" wrote:



On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:40:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 17, 12:17 pm, HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I may have to buy my youngest a Mac.

Mild curiosity, Reggie. Is your kid so mentally or genetically
"challenged," he can't figure out what computer to buy without your
"help"? I mean, you know nothing about computers...your kid, if he has a
working brain, must know more than you do, right?

Gee, I guess you could have said the same exact thing about a certain
person's ego helping Marine son......

Our purchase of a laptop to him was a gift to him upon his graduation from
the USMC basic training program at Parris Island.

I know that is a hard concept for you to understand.......but give it
another go.

Regardless........this strange obsession you have with me is an indication
that you need some help regarding the state of your mental health. Perhaps
you can get a group discount if John Herring signed up with you as he has
the same obsession problem with me.


I think his comment was directed at Harry's implication that kids, like
your son, would have to be mentally challenged for a parent to help with a
computer. Loogy most certainly said nothing derogatory about your son, but,
if you can comprehend his logic, Harry did.

Personally, I think you did a nice thing, even if the laptop had Vista
installed.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:29:55 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:40:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 17, 12:17 pm, HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I may have to buy my youngest a Mac.
Mild curiosity, Reggie. Is your kid so mentally or genetically
"challenged," he can't figure out what computer to buy without your
"help"? I mean, you know nothing about computers...your kid, if he has a
working brain, must know more than you do, right?
Gee, I guess you could have said the same exact thing about a certain
person's ego helping Marine son......
Our purchase of a laptop to him was a gift to him upon his graduation from
the USMC basic training program at Parris Island.

I know that is a hard concept for you to understand.......but give it
another go.

Regardless........this strange obsession you have with me is an indication
that you need some help regarding the state of your mental health. Perhaps
you can get a group discount if John Herring signed up with you as he has
the same obsession problem with me.


I think his comment was directed at Harry's implication that kids, like
your son, would have to be mentally challenged for a parent to help with a
computer. Loogy most certainly said nothing derogatory about your son, but,
if you can comprehend his logic, Harry did.

Personally, I think you did a nice thing, even if the laptop had Vista
installed.


No, actually, I recalled that JimH bought his kid a computer as a gift.
My comments were directed only to Reggie's imaginary incompetent son,
the "pre-doctoral" program son who cannot buy his own computer.

Nice try, though, crap-for-brains.

Hey I see you got the geek squad in to fix your computer clock. Congrats.

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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:56:49 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:29:55 -0400, "JimH" wrote:



On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:40:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 17, 12:17 pm, HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I may have to buy my youngest a Mac.

Mild curiosity, Reggie. Is your kid so mentally or genetically
"challenged," he can't figure out what computer to buy without your
"help"? I mean, you know nothing about computers...your kid, if he has
a
working brain, must know more than you do, right?

Gee, I guess you could have said the same exact thing about a certain
person's ego helping Marine son......

Our purchase of a laptop to him was a gift to him upon his graduation from
the USMC basic training program at Parris Island.

I know that is a hard concept for you to understand.......but give it
another go.

Regardless........this strange obsession you have with me is an indication
that you need some help regarding the state of your mental health.
Perhaps
you can get a group discount if John Herring signed up with you as he has
the same obsession problem with me.


I think his comment was directed at Harry's implication that kids, like
your son, would have to be mentally challenged for a parent to help with a
computer. Loogy most certainly said nothing derogatory.............

Liar.


But your creative snipping highlights your integrity?
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

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On Apr 17, 5:44*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:29:55 -0400, "JimH" wrote:

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:40:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 17, 12:17 pm, HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I may have to buy my youngest a Mac.

Mild curiosity, Reggie. Is your kid so mentally or genetically
"challenged," he can't figure out what computer to buy without your
"help"? I mean, you know nothing about computers...your kid, if he has a
working brain, must know more than you do, right?

Gee, I guess you could have said the same exact thing about a certain
person's ego helping Marine son......

Our purchase of a laptop to him was a gift to him upon his graduation from
the USMC basic training program at Parris Island.

I know that is a hard concept for you to understand.......but give it
another go.

Regardless........this strange obsession you have with me is an indication
that you need some help regarding the state of your mental health. *Perhaps
you can get a group discount if John Herring signed up with you as he has
the same obsession problem with me.

I think his comment was directed at Harry's implication that kids, like
your son, would have to be mentally challenged for a parent to help with a
computer. Loogy most certainly said nothing derogatory about your son, but,
if you can comprehend his logic, Harry did.

Personally, I think you did a nice thing, even if the laptop had Vista
installed.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Agreed.

Vista-Schmista or whatever....That was a good gift.

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John H. wrote:

But your creative snipping highlights your integrity?

Herring, our resident racist, is discussing someone else's integrity?
What a laugh.

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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:23:25 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Apr 17, 5:44 pm, John H. wrote:
about your son, but,
if you can comprehend his logic, Harry did.

Personally, I think you did a nice thing, even if the laptop had Vista
installed.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Agreed.

Vista-Schmista or whatever....That was a good gift.
=============

Thanks Tim. He emails us (including his sister and friends) on a regular
basis, something he would not have been able to do if we did not buy him the
laptop as he had a desktop.

His laptop runs VISTA and was built to run that OS. He has consistently
reported no problems with it and has stated he really likes it as an OS and
that the computer runs fast.

Why some choose to lowblow me for giving a productive gift to my son who is
serving our Country honorably is beyond me................those flames do
reflect the integrity of those folks though.


Harry's comment was ****ty. Glad to see he's amending the meaning so your
son isn't included in his list of 'mental incompetents'.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:23:25 -0400, "JimH" wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
...
On Apr 17, 5:44 pm, John H. wrote:
about your son, but,
if you can comprehend his logic, Harry did.

Personally, I think you did a nice thing, even if the laptop had Vista
installed.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Agreed.

Vista-Schmista or whatever....That was a good gift.
=============

Thanks Tim. He emails us (including his sister and friends) on a regular
basis, something he would not have been able to do if we did not buy him the
laptop as he had a desktop.

His laptop runs VISTA and was built to run that OS. He has consistently
reported no problems with it and has stated he really likes it as an OS and
that the computer runs fast.

Why some choose to lowblow me for giving a productive gift to my son who is
serving our Country honorably is beyond me................those flames do
reflect the integrity of those folks though.


Harry's comment was ****ty. Glad to see he's amending the meaning so your
son isn't included in his list of 'mental incompetents'.


I didn't amend my comment, **** for brains...*you* tried to start up
something that was not there. I doubt Jim H thought for a second I was
including his son in the list of mental incompetents.

You only get a D+ for that attempt at deviousness, Mr. Integrity who
Lies through his Teeth.

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On Apr 17, 6:23�pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Apr 17, 5:44 pm, John H. wrote:
about your son, but,

if you can comprehend his logic, Harry did.

Personally, I think you did a nice thing, even if the laptop had Vista
installed.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Agreed.

Vista-Schmista or whatever....That was a good gift.
=============

Thanks Tim. �He emails us (including his sister and friends) on a regular
basis, something he would not have been able to do if we did not buy him the
laptop as he had a desktop.



y'know, when he was iced in the St Louis airport, The roads wern't
that bad an I was about 20 mi. away visiting my in-laws in
Edwardsville. If I had been able to have quicker communique with you,
I was going to see if I could run tot he airport and bring his
anything and/or take him to dinner at the 'port while he was in lay-
over.

Or at least get him a cup of Starbucks.

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Tim wrote:
On Apr 17, 6:23�pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...
On Apr 17, 5:44 pm, John H. wrote:
about your son, but,

if you can comprehend his logic, Harry did.
Personally, I think you did a nice thing, even if the laptop had Vista
installed.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Agreed.

Vista-Schmista or whatever....That was a good gift.
=============

Thanks Tim. �He emails us (including his sister and friends) on a regular
basis, something he would not have been able to do if we did not buy him the
laptop as he had a desktop.



y'know, when he was iced in the St Louis airport, The roads wern't
that bad an I was about 20 mi. away visiting my in-laws in
Edwardsville. If I had been able to have quicker communique with you,
I was going to see if I could run tot he airport and bring his
anything and/or take him to dinner at the 'port while he was in lay-
over.

Or at least get him a cup of Starbucks.


I gotta wonder what's worse...being snowed in at the St. Louis airport
or being snowed in at the Buffalo airport.

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On Apr 17, 6:29*pm, "JimH" wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:40:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 17, 12:17 pm, HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I may have to buy my youngest a Mac.

Mild curiosity, Reggie. Is your kid so mentally or genetically
"challenged," he can't figure out what computer to buy without your
"help"? I mean, you know nothing about computers...your kid, if he has a
working brain, must know more than you do, right?

Gee, I guess you could have said the same exact thing about a certain
person's ego helping Marine son......

Our purchase of a laptop to him was a gift to him upon his graduation from
the USMC basic training program at Parris Island.

And that is different than Reggie giving his son a gift of a laptop
HOW????

I know that is a hard concept for you to understand.......but give it
another go.

Hmmm, wasn't you just whining about people's negative comments?

Regardless........this strange obsession you have with me is an indication
that you need some help regarding the state of your mental health. *Perhaps
you can get a group discount if John Herring signed up with you as he has
the same obsession problem with me.


Hmmm, wasn't you just whining about people's negative comments?

Now, please answer this:
Who "low blowed" you for buying your son a laptop? Your buddy Harry is
the only person who "low blowed" someone for buying their son a
laptop.

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HK wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:19:55 -0400, HK wrote:

Using LINUX on a server when you are a hobbyist or have an IT
department devoted to servers is a lot different than using LINUX on
a desktop.


IBM controls the desk top on company owned PCs. Employes are strongly
discouraged from adding anything that is not sent to them by the
company, using words like "conditions of employment". There is no
reason why the company IT department couldn't come up with a packaged
suite of applications for the employees based on a Linux OS.
When I had a Thinkpad they owned I kept a separate hard drive for
things I wanted to do that weren't following the company line (OS/2 vs
the DOS I like) so I had a compliant machine when they wanted to see
it. Loading your own stuff on a company owned machine was playing "you
bet your job" even when it was hard to get fired from IBM. Now they
look for reasons to fire people.


I can't think of one compelling reason to use LINUX on a corporate desktop.

Can you think of one compelling reason to use Vista on a corporate desktop?

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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:19:55 -0400, HK wrote:

Using LINUX on a server when you are a hobbyist or have an IT
department devoted to servers is a lot different than using LINUX on
a desktop.


IBM controls the desk top on company owned PCs. Employes are strongly
discouraged from adding anything that is not sent to them by the
company, using words like "conditions of employment". There is no
reason why the company IT department couldn't come up with a packaged
suite of applications for the employees based on a Linux OS.
When I had a Thinkpad they owned I kept a separate hard drive for
things I wanted to do that weren't following the company line (OS/2 vs
the DOS I like) so I had a compliant machine when they wanted to see
it. Loading your own stuff on a company owned machine was playing "you
bet your job" even when it was hard to get fired from IBM. Now they
look for reasons to fire people.


I can't think of one compelling reason to use LINUX on a corporate
desktop.

Can you think of one compelling reason to use Vista on a corporate desktop?


Yup.

Hey...go play with your google, Mr. Chitlin.

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:14:01 -0400, gfretwell wrote:

On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:00:42 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" "Reggie
is Here wrote:

IBM having employees test out Macs at work,

It would make a lot more sense if IBM came out with a decent Linux suite
... but IBM has never done anything in the PC arena that made sense.

IBM is a major supporter of Linux development. They are also pushing
their Open Collaboration Client, which is Linux based.

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/lotu...ionclient.html


They do use Linux on their servers so they have some experience with it.
I bet this is actually signalling some hardware deal between Apple and
Levano

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:20:17 -0400, HK wrote:


Why would IBM or anyone else want to force a hobbyist kit OS like LINUX
on its employees' desktops?

Harry, you better not fly anymore. The FAA's Traffic Flow Management
System is based on a hobbyist kit.

http://customers.press.redhat.com/20...dministration/

There are quite a few governments looking to save costs by migrating to
Linux.

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wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:20:17 -0400, HK wrote:


Why would IBM or anyone else want to force a hobbyist kit OS like LINUX
on its employees' desktops?

Harry, you better not fly anymore. The FAA's Traffic Flow Management
System is based on a hobbyist kit.

http://customers.press.redhat.com/20...dministration/

There are quite a few governments looking to save costs by migrating to
Linux.
Let's see...that gives LINUX .000000000016% of desktops.

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:42:57 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:19:55 -0400, HK wrote:

Using LINUX on a server when you are a hobbyist or have an IT department
devoted to servers is a lot different than using LINUX on a desktop.


IBM controls the desk top on company owned PCs. Employes are strongly
discouraged from adding anything that is not sent to them by the
company, using words like "conditions of employment".

As I recall, all the companies I worked for locked out installs on the
desktop images when NT went in. I had a PIM that I suddenly couldn't
use without admin install rights. Notepad was my substitute, and
worked fine. No company wants uncontrolled/unapproved apps
on their networked PC's. Well, not the ones I worked for anyway.

--Vic

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BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:08:39 -0400, HK wrote:

I can't think of one compelling reason to use LINUX on a corporate
desktop.

Security and the small footprint of a dedicated business suite.
That is the reason why IBM uses it on the servers.
Windoze has become a bloated hog mostly aimed at the consumer market.

Harry is a "home office" IT expert, he has no idea what happens within
real companies.


Uh huh. My largest client is an enormous and profitable investment and
business bank with 2000 employees, and I am very friendly with the
corporate IT department. No one is running LINUX on desktops. None of my
other clients are, either. A couple run the LINUX server apps.

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HK wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:29:55 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:40:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Apr 17, 12:17 pm, HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:

I may have to buy my youngest a Mac.
Mild curiosity, Reggie. Is your kid so mentally or genetically
"challenged," he can't figure out what computer to buy without your
"help"? I mean, you know nothing about computers...your kid, if he
has a
working brain, must know more than you do, right?
Gee, I guess you could have said the same exact thing about a certain
person's ego helping Marine son......
Our purchase of a laptop to him was a gift to him upon his graduation
from the USMC basic training program at Parris Island.

I know that is a hard concept for you to understand.......but give it
another go.

Regardless........this strange obsession you have with me is an
indication that you need some help regarding the state of your mental
health. Perhaps you can get a group discount if John Herring signed
up with you as he has the same obsession problem with me.

I think his comment was directed at Harry's implication that kids, like
your son, would have to be mentally challenged for a parent to help
with a
computer. Loogy most certainly said nothing derogatory about your son,
but,
if you can comprehend his logic, Harry did.

Personally, I think you did a nice thing, even if the laptop had Vista
installed.


No, actually, I recalled that JimH bought his kid a computer as a gift.
My comments were directed only to Reggie's imaginary incompetent son,
the "pre-doctoral" program son who cannot buy his own computer.

Nice try, though, crap-for-brains.

Hey I see you got the geek squad in to fix your computer clock. Congrats.

You know a hell of a lot about imagination but you are probably wrong in
this case.

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HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Apr 17, 6:23�pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message

...

On Apr 17, 5:44 pm, John H. wrote:
about your son, but,

if you can comprehend his logic, Harry did.
Personally, I think you did a nice thing, even if the laptop had Vista
installed.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Agreed.

Vista-Schmista or whatever....That was a good gift.
=============

Thanks Tim. �He emails us (including his sister and friends) on a
regular
basis, something he would not have been able to do if we did not buy
him the
laptop as he had a desktop.



y'know, when he was iced in the St Louis airport, The roads wern't
that bad an I was about 20 mi. away visiting my in-laws in
Edwardsville. If I had been able to have quicker communique with you,
I was going to see if I could run tot he airport and bring his
anything and/or take him to dinner at the 'port while he was in lay-
over.

Or at least get him a cup of Starbucks.


I gotta wonder what's worse...being snowed in at the St. Louis airport
or being snowed in at the Buffalo airport.


Did you really type that? If it was an attempt at satire you get a C-.
Anything else would be just stupid.

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HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:00:42 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
"Reggie is Here wrote:

IBM having employees test out Macs at work,

It would make a lot more sense if IBM came out with a decent Linux
suite ... but IBM has never done anything in the PC arena that made
sense.
They do use Linux on their servers so they have some experience with
it.
I bet this is actually signalling some hardware deal between Apple and
Levano


Lenovo is a Communist Chinese company, not an IBM company.

Why would IBM or anyone else want to force a hobbyist kit OS like LINUX
on its employees' desktops?

Stability?

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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:19:55 -0400, HK wrote:

Using LINUX on a server when you are a hobbyist or have an IT
department devoted to servers is a lot different than using LINUX
on a desktop.


IBM controls the desk top on company owned PCs. Employes are strongly
discouraged from adding anything that is not sent to them by the
company, using words like "conditions of employment". There is no
reason why the company IT department couldn't come up with a packaged
suite of applications for the employees based on a Linux OS.
When I had a Thinkpad they owned I kept a separate hard drive for
things I wanted to do that weren't following the company line (OS/2 vs
the DOS I like) so I had a compliant machine when they wanted to see
it. Loading your own stuff on a company owned machine was playing "you
bet your job" even when it was hard to get fired from IBM. Now they
look for reasons to fire people.


I can't think of one compelling reason to use LINUX on a corporate
desktop.

Can you think of one compelling reason to use Vista on a corporate
desktop?


Yup.

Hey...go play with your google, Mr. Chitlin.

Lame answer *and* the obligatory diversion! Well done!

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:08:39 -0400, HK wrote:

I can't think of one compelling reason to use LINUX on a corporate
desktop.

Security and the small footprint of a dedicated business suite.
That is the reason why IBM uses it on the servers.
Windoze has become a bloated hog mostly aimed at the consumer market.

Harry is a "home office" IT expert, he has no idea what happens within
real companies.


Uh huh. My largest client is an enormous and profitable investment and
business bank with 2000 employees, and I am very friendly with the
corporate IT department. No one is running LINUX on desktops. None of my
other clients are, either. A couple run the LINUX server apps.

Now we have unionized bankers. What next?

BTW - Harry has no clients. It's narcissism.

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"HK" wrote in message
. ..
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:08:39 -0400, HK wrote:

I can't think of one compelling reason to use LINUX on a corporate
desktop.

Security and the small footprint of a dedicated business suite.
That is the reason why IBM uses it on the servers.
Windoze has become a bloated hog mostly aimed at the consumer market.

Harry is a "home office" IT expert, he has no idea what happens within
real companies.


Uh huh. My largest client is an enormous and profitable investment and
business bank with 2000 employees, and I am very friendly with the
corporate IT department. No one is running LINUX on desktops. None of my
other clients are, either. A couple run the LINUX server apps.

Enormous = 2000 employees?

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HK wrote:

Why would IBM or anyone else want to force a hobbyist kit OS like LINUX
on its employees' desktops?

All my company's EDA CAD tools have been running on redhat
Linux servers and desktops since moving from Sun/Solaris
boxes several years ago... more bang/buck and just as stable.

http://www.synopsys.com/
http://www.cadence.com/
http://www.mentor.com/

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D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
BAR wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:08:39 -0400, HK wrote:

I can't think of one compelling reason to use LINUX on a corporate
desktop.
Security and the small footprint of a dedicated business suite.
That is the reason why IBM uses it on the servers.
Windoze has become a bloated hog mostly aimed at the consumer market.
Harry is a "home office" IT expert, he has no idea what happens within
real companies.

Uh huh. My largest client is an enormous and profitable investment and
business bank with 2000 employees, and I am very friendly with the
corporate IT department. No one is running LINUX on desktops. None of my
other clients are, either. A couple run the LINUX server apps.

Enormous = 2000 employees?



It's all relative. It's a regional investment bank, it makes money, and
it's a long-time client. I'd rather have it for a client than one of the
huge multinational banks now engaged in laying out tens of thousands of
employees, eh?