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The high:

Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and
whose
Last
Supper (1495?98) and Mona Lisa (1503?06) are widely influential
paintings.
Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's franchise
in
Des
Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started the McDonald's
Corporation.


:)
I believe it was Ray Croc. First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood
home.

Any White Castles there? I was delivering papers on my bike when I
saw my first MacDonalds, around 79th and Jeffery.
There was an old White Castle a couple blocks east. I tried one of
the McDonald burgers - it was 15 cents. Liked the smaller White
Castle much better - it was 12 cents.
That was '59 I think. Maybe '60.
I still eat 8 White Castles once in a while, when I get the craving,
3
or 4 times a year. Of course I always regret it for a couple days.
Never cared at all for McDonalds. Best thing they have is the
breakfast sandwiches. I'll stop when we travel for that if that's
how
our schedule is working, but otherwise stay away.
None of my kids got hooked on that, either, because I only took them
there if we were on the road.
A good hamburger is easy to make.
Now fried chicken - that's another story.

--Vic

ps. I worked in Mac's marketing department for a couple years.
Corporate HQ in Oak Brook.
Amazing business, and a super operation.


Ray Croc bought McD's for the softserve milkshake machine patent at
first.
Not for the burger and fries part. The good thing about McD's is the
senior
coffee. Very good coffee and I have paid from $0.25 to $0.59 for it.
Lot
better price than the big chains and better coffee also.


Try not to spill it, I hear its HOT!

AFAIK,

McDonald's (thee original) was one of the first restaurants to
make hamburgers, cheeseburgers and fries in advance of
the actual purchase, hence "Fast Food"

db






I've had the MickeyD's coffee and Ca Bill is correct, it is good coffee.
But...I hate going into the stores because the damned place always
smells like *heavy* fried food, even first thing in the morning, and
that aroma is a personal turn off for me.

I'm not a fan of the "boutique" coffee shops, because I find their
coffee too heavy or strong for my taste. So, when I am out and about and
need a caffeine fix, I just go into an ordinary sandwich/breakfast shop
and get coffee. Regular, ordinary coffee. I like WaWa coffee.

I go through the drive through. Is one at where I have to turn on to the
major road near my house, so works out well when going somewhere with the
boat. Have to pass McD's to get to storage yard. If just morning
coffee, meet some friends at time at the local Donut shop.

The two Mickey D's near us have 20-minute lines during morning rush. The
WaWa does not.

I am mostly retired. Why go at commute hour?



For some reason, the meetings I have to get to seem to start at 9 am.

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Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and whose
Last Supper (1495-98) and Mona Lisa (1503-06) are widely influential
paintings. Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's franchise in
Des Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started the McDonald's
Corporation.


:)
I believe it was Ray Croc. First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood home.
If McDonald's was unionized Harry would be gushing about it.

Can you imagine the increased apathy of the workers at McDonald's if it
was unionized?

Maybe as bad as a bunch of pseudo marines?

I find your comments about BAR's service to our Country with the USMC
offensive Don and ask that you drop it.


I find his comments about hard working union members offensive. Ask him to
'drop it' and I'll consider same.




touche.

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The high:

Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and whose
Last
Supper (1495?98) and Mona Lisa (1503?06) are widely influential
paintings.
Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's franchise in
Des
Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started the McDonald's
Corporation.


:)

I believe it was Ray Croc. First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood
home.

Any White Castles there? I was delivering papers on my bike when I
saw my first MacDonalds, around 79th and Jeffery.
There was an old White Castle a couple blocks east. I tried one of
the McDonald burgers - it was 15 cents. Liked the smaller White
Castle much better - it was 12 cents.
That was '59 I think. Maybe '60.
I still eat 8 White Castles once in a while, when I get the craving, 3
or 4 times a year. Of course I always regret it for a couple days.
Never cared at all for McDonalds. Best thing they have is the
breakfast sandwiches. I'll stop when we travel for that if that's how
our schedule is working, but otherwise stay away.
None of my kids got hooked on that, either, because I only took them
there if we were on the road.
A good hamburger is easy to make.
Now fried chicken - that's another story.

--Vic

ps. I worked in Mac's marketing department for a couple years.
Corporate HQ in Oak Brook.
Amazing business, and a super operation.



Ray Croc bought McD's for the softserve milkshake machine patent at first.
Not for the burger and fries part. The good thing about McD's is the
senior
coffee. Very good coffee and I have paid from $0.25 to $0.59 for it. Lot
better price than the big chains and better coffee also.


Their new coffee is much better than the old. When in Disney World, where
coffee was over $2.00, I asked, in the McDonalds, for a senior coffee.
Sure
enough, I got it for $0.59. Not a bad deal.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

We were in a town in Italy. Maybe Siena, and we used the McD's restroom.
Couple of old people in there drinking coffee. They said, was a euro and
all the refills they wanted. As opposed to a Euro minimum a cup everywhere
else.


Don't buy a hamburger at the McD's in Paris. They cost a small fortune, and
that was back in 1988!
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

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The high:

Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and
whose
Last
Supper (1495?98) and Mona Lisa (1503?06) are widely influential
paintings.
Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's franchise
in
Des
Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started the McDonald's
Corporation.


:)

I believe it was Ray Croc. First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood
home.

Any White Castles there? I was delivering papers on my bike when I
saw my first MacDonalds, around 79th and Jeffery.
There was an old White Castle a couple blocks east. I tried one of
the McDonald burgers - it was 15 cents. Liked the smaller White
Castle much better - it was 12 cents.
That was '59 I think. Maybe '60.
I still eat 8 White Castles once in a while, when I get the craving, 3
or 4 times a year. Of course I always regret it for a couple days.
Never cared at all for McDonalds. Best thing they have is the
breakfast sandwiches. I'll stop when we travel for that if that's how
our schedule is working, but otherwise stay away.
None of my kids got hooked on that, either, because I only took them
there if we were on the road.
A good hamburger is easy to make.
Now fried chicken - that's another story.

--Vic

ps. I worked in Mac's marketing department for a couple years.
Corporate HQ in Oak Brook.
Amazing business, and a super operation.



Ray Croc bought McD's for the softserve milkshake machine patent at
first.
Not for the burger and fries part. The good thing about McD's is the
senior
coffee. Very good coffee and I have paid from $0.25 to $0.59 for it.
Lot
better price than the big chains and better coffee also.


Their new coffee is much better than the old. When in Disney World,
where
coffee was over $2.00, I asked, in the McDonalds, for a senior coffee.
Sure
enough, I got it for $0.59. Not a bad deal.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

We were in a town in Italy. Maybe Siena, and we used the McD's restroom.
Couple of old people in there drinking coffee. They said, was a euro and
all the refills they wanted. As opposed to a Euro minimum a cup
everywhere
else.


Don't buy a hamburger at the McD's in Paris. They cost a small fortune,
and
that was back in 1988!
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

Back in that era, we have friends that were posted to the Embassy in Paris.
Their 2 kids had a deal that they could pick the place for dinner if they
scored great grades. Sandy said they picked McD's. Over $50, one of the
more expensive places to dine. We were just in Costa Rica and near the
airport, was only a Taco Bell on one corner and McD's on the other corner.
We had just dropped off the laundry and needed lunch. Wife picked McD's.
She had the hardest, driest chicken breast sandwich imaginable. Price was
not too bad, and the buger I had was good.

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Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and whose
Last Supper (1495-98) and Mona Lisa (1503-06) are widely influential
paintings. Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's franchise
in Des Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started the
McDonald's Corporation.


:)

I believe it was Ray Croc. First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood home.

If McDonald's was unionized Harry would be gushing about it.

Can you imagine the increased apathy of the workers at McDonald's if it
was unionized?


Maybe as bad as a bunch of pseudo marines?


I find your comments about BAR's service to our Country with the USMC
offensive Don and ask that you drop it.


I find his comments about hard working union members offensive. Ask him to
'drop it' and I'll consider same.


There are those? More than a minority?

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Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and
whose Last Supper (1495-98) and Mona Lisa (1503-06) are widely
influential paintings. Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's franchise
in Des Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started the
McDonald's Corporation.


:)

I believe it was Ray Croc. First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood home.

If McDonald's was unionized Harry would be gushing about it.

Can you imagine the increased apathy of the workers at McDonald's if
it was unionized?


Maybe as bad as a bunch of pseudo marines?


I find your comments about BAR's service to our Country with the USMC
offensive Don and ask that you drop it.


I find his comments about hard working union members offensive. Ask him
to 'drop it' and I'll consider same.


There are those? More than a minority?

Might be a cultural thing. Up here in my experience, the vast majority of
union members are hard working decent type people who will give a full days
work for a days pay.
Of course I am most familiar with Crown Corporation employees....

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The high:

Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and
whose Last Supper (1495-98) and Mona Lisa (1503-06) are widely
influential paintings. Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's franchise
in Des Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started the
McDonald's Corporation.


:)

I believe it was Ray Croc. First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood home.

If McDonald's was unionized Harry would be gushing about it.

Can you imagine the increased apathy of the workers at McDonald's if
it was unionized?


Maybe as bad as a bunch of pseudo marines?


I find your comments about BAR's service to our Country with the USMC
offensive Don and ask that you drop it.


I find his comments about hard working union members offensive. Ask him
to 'drop it' and I'll consider same.


There are those? More than a minority?

Might be a cultural thing. Up here in my experience, the vast majority of
union members are hard working decent type people who will give a full
days work for a days pay.
Of course I am most familiar with Crown Corporation employees....


Government Employees, the worst.

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The high:

Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and
whose Last Supper (1495-98) and Mona Lisa (1503-06) are widely
influential paintings. Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's
franchise in Des Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started
the McDonald's Corporation.


:)

I believe it was Ray Croc. First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood home.

If McDonald's was unionized Harry would be gushing about it.

Can you imagine the increased apathy of the workers at McDonald's if
it was unionized?


Maybe as bad as a bunch of pseudo marines?


I find your comments about BAR's service to our Country with the USMC
offensive Don and ask that you drop it.


I find his comments about hard working union members offensive. Ask him
to 'drop it' and I'll consider same.


There are those? More than a minority?

Might be a cultural thing. Up here in my experience, the vast majority
of union members are hard working decent type people who will give a full
days work for a days pay.
Of course I am most familiar with Crown Corporation employees....


Government Employees, the worst.

Maybe in your world.
Must be a problem with gov't administrators in your area. Here, in a
slightly depressed economy, people have always felt lucky to 'land a gov't
job' as the pay levels usually exceeded similar work in the private sector.
Things may be changing now as we usually pickup all the bad 'merican habits
10 or 20 years later.

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The high:

Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and
whose Last Supper (1495-98) and Mona Lisa (1503-06) are widely
influential paintings. Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's
franchise in Des Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started
the McDonald's Corporation.


:)
I believe it was Ray Croc. First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood home.
If McDonald's was unionized Harry would be gushing about it.

Can you imagine the increased apathy of the workers at McDonald's if
it was unionized?

Maybe as bad as a bunch of pseudo marines?

I find your comments about BAR's service to our Country with the USMC
offensive Don and ask that you drop it.

I find his comments about hard working union members offensive. Ask him
to 'drop it' and I'll consider same.

There are those? More than a minority?
Might be a cultural thing. Up here in my experience, the vast majority
of union members are hard working decent type people who will give a full
days work for a days pay.
Of course I am most familiar with Crown Corporation employees....

Government Employees, the worst.

Maybe in your world.
Must be a problem with gov't administrators in your area. Here, in a
slightly depressed economy, people have always felt lucky to 'land a gov't
job' as the pay levels usually exceeded similar work in the private sector.
Things may be changing now as we usually pickup all the bad 'merican habits
10 or 20 years later.




Does that mean in two years one of your dominant political parties is
going to select an idiot as head of state? :)

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The high:

Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and
whose Last Supper (1495-98) and Mona Lisa (1503-06) are widely
influential paintings. Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's
franchise in Des Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started
the McDonald's Corporation.


:)
I believe it was Ray Croc. First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood home.
If McDonald's was unionized Harry would be gushing about it.

Can you imagine the increased apathy of the workers at McDonald's if
it was unionized?

Maybe as bad as a bunch of pseudo marines?

I find your comments about BAR's service to our Country with the USMC
offensive Don and ask that you drop it.

I find his comments about hard working union members offensive. Ask him
to 'drop it' and I'll consider same.

There are those? More than a minority?
Might be a cultural thing. Up here in my experience, the vast majority
of union members are hard working decent type people who will give a full
days work for a days pay.
Of course I am most familiar with Crown Corporation employees....

Government Employees, the worst.

Maybe in your world.
Must be a problem with gov't administrators in your area. Here, in a
slightly depressed economy, people have always felt lucky to 'land a gov't
job' as the pay levels usually exceeded similar work in the private sector.
Things may be changing now as we usually pickup all the bad 'merican habits
10 or 20 years later.

Have you ever tried to fire a government employee?

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Does that mean in two years one of your dominant political parties is
going to select an idiot as head of state? :)



We're ahead of the curve on that one.
We've got him already.

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Have you ever tried to fire a government employee?



Who gave them this protection??
We hade pretty good protection at the Crown Corp where I worked until 1996
when bad times forced the union to accept weaknd employee protection in a
new collective agreement. I felt we should have fought it tooth & nail.

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Your jealousy shines through again Don.
Have you received a picture of Harry's 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta'
boat
yet?
Interested in lobster boats??
http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...Boat-For-Sale-...
Yes, Harry's Lobsta' boat in particular. Aren't you the least bit
curious about Harry's Lobsta' boat? Does it exist? Did it ever exist?
Was it just another one of Harry's lies?
You should be talking to the poster here who was invited out on one of
Harry's boats.
If he had played his cards right, he could have solved your question.
Since I live way up here and have little chance of seeing any of Harrys
boats, I'll take his word on what he sails.
Don, I was invited out on one of Harry's boat's. It wasn't on his
"Lobsta'
boat".
Why didn't you take him up on it? You could have done some close
investigating rather than accuse him of lying while you sit hundreds or
thousands of miles away.- Hide quoted text -

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He's been caught in more lies than any politician ever!

What do you say to the fact that my wife contacted the head historian
of NYFD and the reaction was nope, never happened, no way, when asked
about a fireboat welcome for someone who made a trans-Atlantic trip in
a small boat?

In Noo Yawk.... in those days???
Maybe the Mafia caused the records to disappear.

Good grief...talk about an *obsessed* little ****...no wonder Loogy is
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More lies by Harry. Please show what evidence you have that I'm toked
up all of the time. Have any?
And your petty childish name calling certainly shows that you know you
are a liar and have been caught.

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The high:

Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and whose
Last
Supper (1495?98) and Mona Lisa (1503?06) are widely influential
paintings.
Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's franchise in
Des
Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started the McDonald's
Corporation.

:)
I believe it was Ray Croc. *First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood
home.

Any White Castles there? *I was delivering papers on my bike when I
saw my first MacDonalds, around 79th and Jeffery.
There was an old *White Castle a couple blocks east. *I tried one of
the McDonald burgers - it was 15 cents. *Liked the smaller White
Castle much better - it was 12 cents.
That was '59 I think. *Maybe '60.
I still eat 8 White Castles once in a while, when I get the craving, 3
or 4 times a year. *Of course I always regret it for a couple days.
Never cared at all for McDonalds. *Best thing they have is the
breakfast sandwiches. *I'll stop when we travel for that if that's how
our schedule is working, but otherwise stay away.
None of my kids got hooked on that, either, because I only took them
there if we were on the road.
A good hamburger is easy to make.
Now fried chicken - that's another story.

--Vic

ps. I worked in Mac's marketing department for a couple years.
Corporate HQ in Oak Brook.
Amazing business, and a super operation.

Ray Croc bought McD's for the softserve milkshake machine patent at first.
Not for the burger and fries part. *The good thing about McD's is the senior
coffee. *Very good coffee and I have paid from $0.25 to $0.59 for it. *Lot
better price than the big chains and better coffee also.

Try not to spill it, I hear its HOT!

AFAIK,

McDonald's (thee original) was one of the first restaurants to
make hamburgers, cheeseburgers and fries in advance of
the actual purchase, hence *"Fast Food"

db

I've had the MickeyD's coffee and Ca Bill is correct, it is good coffee.
But...I hate going into the stores because the damned place always
smells like *heavy* fried food, even first thing in the morning, and
that aroma is a personal turn off for me.


McDonald's has this new fangled wonderful thing called the drive-thru
window. You might want to give it a try.....

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Don White wrote:
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Have you ever tried to fire a government employee?



Who gave them this protection??

Protection? Protection for whom? Why does the government have to employ
idiots and lazy slobs? If you can't do the job then you should leave and
if you won't leave you shoud be fired. Why does the taxpayer have to
subsidize stupid lazy people?

We hade pretty good protection at the Crown Corp where I worked until 1996
when bad times forced the union to accept weaknd employee protection in a
new collective agreement. I felt we should have fought it tooth & nail.

Protection again? You should hold your job as long as you are
satisfactorily performing it or until your job is no longer needed by
your employer.

I worked for the US government and I know how people are gotten rid of
in government organizations. The Peter Principle comes into play.

Currently I am in an "at will employment" situation. You should never be
guaranteed a job whether in private industry or government.

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Unions are a thing of the past. The only job where unions have firm
control is teachers unions and this is where we don't need guaranteed
lifetime employment. Everywhere else unions are dying off.


That so..... Blurt?
I'm betting they'll be around long after you quit polluting the earth.

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Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and
whose
Last Supper (1495-98) and Mona Lisa (1503-06) are widely
influential
paintings. Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's franchise
in Des Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started the
McDonald's Corporation.


:)

I believe it was Ray Croc. First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood home.

If McDonald's was unionized Harry would be gushing about it.

Can you imagine the increased apathy of the workers at McDonald's if
it
was unionized?


Maybe as bad as a bunch of pseudo marines?


I find your comments about BAR's service to our Country with the USMC
offensive Don and ask that you drop it.


I find his comments about hard working union members offensive. Ask him
to
'drop it' and I'll consider same.


There are those? More than a minority?


You would not be retired with a pension if it wasn't for unions,
dumbass.



I would not? I actually get 2 small pensions from companies I worked for.
Both non union. Only union I belonged to was the CWA when I worked for
Western Electric when I got out of high school. A most incompetent union.
Go on strike for a couple of months for a 10 cent raise, almost the same
amount the company was willing to give at first. I worked for mostly
companies that had 401K programs and I also invested well. My Altria
holdings pay me a couple times my pensions by itself.

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:39:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Have you ever tried to fire a government employee?



Who gave them this protection??

Protection? Protection for whom? Why does the government have to employ
idiots and lazy slobs? If you can't do the job then you should leave and
if you won't leave you shoud be fired. Why does the taxpayer have to
subsidize stupid lazy people?

We hade pretty good protection at the Crown Corp where I worked until 1996
when bad times forced the union to accept weaknd employee protection in a
new collective agreement. I felt we should have fought it tooth & nail.

Protection again? You should hold your job as long as you are
satisfactorily performing it or until your job is no longer needed by
your employer.

I worked for the US government and I know how people are gotten rid of
in government organizations. The Peter Principle comes into play.

Currently I am in an "at will employment" situation. You should never be
guaranteed a job whether in private industry or government.

Bert, have you ever heard of the AFGE? I had a steward for said union
working for me once. She did almost no government work, as she was always
defending someone's rights to do nothing on the job.

I tried for well over a year to fire a statistician who didn't know what a
summation symbol meant. After a year of meetings, letters, threats, etc.,
the Commanding General backed down and moved her to another job.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

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wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:09:42 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:37:40 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
. ..

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
The high:

Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and
whose
Last Supper (1495-98) and Mona Lisa (1503-06) are widely
influential
paintings. Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's
franchise
in Des Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started the
McDonald's Corporation.


:)

I believe it was Ray Croc. First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood home.

If McDonald's was unionized Harry would be gushing about it.

Can you imagine the increased apathy of the workers at McDonald's
if
it
was unionized?


Maybe as bad as a bunch of pseudo marines?


I find your comments about BAR's service to our Country with the USMC
offensive Don and ask that you drop it.


I find his comments about hard working union members offensive. Ask
him
to
'drop it' and I'll consider same.


There are those? More than a minority?


You would not be retired with a pension if it wasn't for unions,
dumbass.



I would not? I actually get 2 small pensions from companies I worked for.
Both non union. Only union I belonged to was the CWA when I worked for
Western Electric when I got out of high school. A most incompetent union.
Go on strike for a couple of months for a 10 cent raise, almost the same
amount the company was willing to give at first. I worked for mostly
companies that had 401K programs and I also invested well. My Altria
holdings pay me a couple times my pensions by itself.


You really are thick. As I said, you would not have those benefits if
it was not for unions. That's where all of those practices came from.
Non-union people have gained an enormous amount of benefits on the
backs of union workers. As I said earlier, all those years when your
job was based on a 40 hour 5 day work week with weekends off,
holidays, ppresonal days, and vacations, was a gift to you from from
the unions. So was any overtime and sick pay you ever received. There
is a lot more.





The overtime was by government fiat.

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wrote in message
...

You STILL don't get it. Virtually all labor laws that benefit workers
were the direct result of unions. The government never thought of time
and a half for overtime on it's own. They saw it as something that
union workers had fought for and won. They thought all workers (even
the helpless non-union ones) should have the same overtime pay as the
union workers.



There is none so blind as he who will not see.

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Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
You STILL don't get it. Virtually all labor laws that benefit workers
were the direct result of unions. The government never thought of time
and a half for overtime on it's own. They saw it as something that
union workers had fought for and won. They thought all workers (even
the helpless non-union ones) should have the same overtime pay as the
union workers.



There is none so blind as he who will not see.



Some of us understand there are no human islands, and that all of us
have obtained what minor or major success we have in life because of the
direct or indirect help of other individuals or organizations.

The ones who don't understand that are...hopeless.

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On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:59:20 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:48:51 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:09:42 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


wrote in message
m...
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:37:40 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
t...

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
The high:

Today is the birthday of Leonardo da Vinci, the Italian
genius whose work epitomized the Renaissance humanist ideal and
whose
Last Supper (1495-98) and Mona Lisa (1503-06) are widely
influential
paintings. Born in 1452.

The low:

On this day in 1955, Roy Croc opened the first McDonald's
franchise
in Des Plaines, Illinois, and in that same year started the
McDonald's Corporation.


:)

I believe it was Ray Croc. First store was about 2 miles from my
childhood home.

If McDonald's was unionized Harry would be gushing about it.

Can you imagine the increased apathy of the workers at McDonald's
if
it
was unionized?


Maybe as bad as a bunch of pseudo marines?


I find your comments about BAR's service to our Country with the USMC
offensive Don and ask that you drop it.


I find his comments about hard working union members offensive. Ask
him
to
'drop it' and I'll consider same.


There are those? More than a minority?


You would not be retired with a pension if it wasn't for unions,
dumbass.



I would not? I actually get 2 small pensions from companies I worked for.
Both non union. Only union I belonged to was the CWA when I worked for
Western Electric when I got out of high school. A most incompetent union.
Go on strike for a couple of months for a 10 cent raise, almost the same
amount the company was willing to give at first. I worked for mostly
companies that had 401K programs and I also invested well. My Altria
holdings pay me a couple times my pensions by itself.


You really are thick. As I said, you would not have those benefits if
it was not for unions. That's where all of those practices came from.
Non-union people have gained an enormous amount of benefits on the
backs of union workers. As I said earlier, all those years when your
job was based on a 40 hour 5 day work week with weekends off,
holidays, ppresonal days, and vacations, was a gift to you from from
the unions. So was any overtime and sick pay you ever received. There
is a lot more.





The overtime was by government fiat.


You STILL don't get it. Virtually all labor laws that benefit workers
were the direct result of unions. The government never thought of time
and a half for overtime on it's own. They saw it as something that
union workers had fought for and won. They thought all workers (even
the helpless non-union ones) should have the same overtime pay as the
union workers.


Salty, I don't think anyone has denied that the unions have served a
purpose. The point had to do with unions today. At least two unions with
which I'm very familiar, the NEA and the AFGE, leave a very bad taste in my
mouth.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

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John H. wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:39:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Have you ever tried to fire a government employee?


Who gave them this protection??
Protection? Protection for whom? Why does the government have to employ
idiots and lazy slobs? If you can't do the job then you should leave and
if you won't leave you shoud be fired. Why does the taxpayer have to
subsidize stupid lazy people?

We hade pretty good protection at the Crown Corp where I worked until 1996
when bad times forced the union to accept weaknd employee protection in a
new collective agreement. I felt we should have fought it tooth & nail.
Protection again? You should hold your job as long as you are
satisfactorily performing it or until your job is no longer needed by
your employer.

I worked for the US government and I know how people are gotten rid of
in government organizations. The Peter Principle comes into play.

Currently I am in an "at will employment" situation. You should never be
guaranteed a job whether in private industry or government.

Bert, have you ever heard of the AFGE? I had a steward for said union
working for me once. She did almost no government work, as she was always
defending someone's rights to do nothing on the job.

My government work ended over 26 years ago. The hardest working people
were the Wage Grade guys who delivered our bulk supplies, computer
paper, cards and tapes. There were some account's that were hard working
too.

I tried for well over a year to fire a statistician who didn't know what a
summation symbol meant. After a year of meetings, letters, threats, etc.,
the Commanding General backed down and moved her to another job.

We had a guy who was promoted form a GS-5 to a GS-7. His position with
us only went to GS-5 and there was a GS-7 position my boss found and
strongly encouraged the guy to apply for. We got more work done without
him.

I worked with some pretty good statisticians doing work on grain, cotton
and stockyards inspections. These guys were great thinkers.

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Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...
You STILL don't get it. Virtually all labor laws that benefit workers
were the direct result of unions. The government never thought of time
and a half for overtime on it's own. They saw it as something that
union workers had fought for and won. They thought all workers (even
the helpless non-union ones) should have the same overtime pay as the
union workers.



There is none so blind as he who will not see.



****ing lemming. Do you ever have an original thought, Donnie?

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