Two wire steering system
 

On Chuck's site someone mentions two wire mechanical push pull steering
systems used by Parker boats. I am curious. Could anyone post a link to such
a steering system. I know in the olden days that OMC used that type of
system for a while but I was unaware that anyone is using it today.

Two wire steering system
 

"Jim" wrote in message
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On Chuck's site someone mentions two wire mechanical push pull steering
systems used by Parker boats. I am curious. Could anyone post a link to
such a steering system. I know in the olden days that OMC used that type
of system for a while but I was unaware that anyone is using it today.

Mine is not a Parker but a Lund. It uses Teleflex hydraulic steering that
is a thing of beauty and a joy for ever.

I just can't imagine a boat with today's high horse power motors using the
old cable system.

Two wire steering system
 

D.Duck wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
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On Chuck's site someone mentions two wire mechanical push pull steering
systems used by Parker boats. I am curious. Could anyone post a link to
such a steering system. I know in the olden days that OMC used that type
of system for a while but I was unaware that anyone is using it today.

Mine is not a Parker but a Lund. It uses Teleflex hydraulic steering that
is a thing of beauty and a joy for ever.

I just can't imagine a boat with today's high horse power motors using the
old cable system.



It's not "the old cable system." It's Teleflex's "No Feedback System,"
which has a single push/pull cable coming out of the helm. It is in
common use on many outboard boats.

You can find the details on the teleflex site. There are several such
non-hydraulic systems there, including this one:

http://www.teleflexmarine.com/cgi-bi...s&product=1084

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"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
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On Chuck's site someone mentions two wire mechanical push pull steering
systems used by Parker boats. I am curious. Could anyone post a link to
such a steering system. I know in the olden days that OMC used that type
of system for a while but I was unaware that anyone is using it today.

Mine is not a Parker but a Lund. It uses Teleflex hydraulic steering
that is a thing of beauty and a joy for ever.

I just can't imagine a boat with today's high horse power motors using
the old cable system.

It's not "the old cable system." It's Teleflex's "No Feedback System,"
which has a single push/pull cable coming out of the helm. It is in common
use on many outboard boats.

You can find the details on the teleflex site. There are several such
non-hydraulic systems there, including this one:

http://www.teleflexmarine.com/cgi-bi...s&product=1084

When I mentioned old cable system I had the cable and pulley setup in mind.
I still say that the hydraulic system is better than straight cable.

Two wire steering system
 

D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
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On Chuck's site someone mentions two wire mechanical push pull steering
systems used by Parker boats. I am curious. Could anyone post a link to
such a steering system. I know in the olden days that OMC used that type
of system for a while but I was unaware that anyone is using it today.
Mine is not a Parker but a Lund. It uses Teleflex hydraulic steering
that is a thing of beauty and a joy for ever.

I just can't imagine a boat with today's high horse power motors using
the old cable system.
It's not "the old cable system." It's Teleflex's "No Feedback System,"
which has a single push/pull cable coming out of the helm. It is in common
use on many outboard boats.

You can find the details on the teleflex site. There are several such
non-hydraulic systems there, including this one:

http://www.teleflexmarine.com/cgi-bi...s&product=1084

When I mentioned old cable system I had the cable and pulley setup in mind.
I still say that the hydraulic system is better than straight cable.




I remember the cable and pulley system quite well, since I "rigged" many
of them at my father's boat shop, and replaced many cables, too.
Remember that wire wrapped in plastic stuff?

I agree the modern hydraulic system is easier on the operator than the
modern push-pull single cable system on higher torque setups.

Two wire steering system
 

"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
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On Chuck's site someone mentions two wire mechanical push pull steering
systems used by Parker boats. I am curious. Could anyone post a link to
such a steering system. I know in the olden days that OMC used that type
of system for a while but I was unaware that anyone is using it today.

Mine is not a Parker but a Lund. It uses Teleflex hydraulic steering
that is a thing of beauty and a joy for ever.

I just can't imagine a boat with today's high horse power motors using
the old cable system.

It's not "the old cable system." It's Teleflex's "No Feedback System,"
which has a single push/pull cable coming out of the helm. It is in common
use on many outboard boats.

You can find the details on the teleflex site. There are several such
non-hydraulic systems there, including this one:

http://www.teleflexmarine.com/cgi-bi...s&product=1084
Here is what the unnamed poster on Chuck's site posted. I think you can see
why I was curious as to what the poor uninformed person was talking about.
Thank you for confirming that this person is full of poo. Quote follows-

No, it isn't cable and pulley. On a non-hydraulic system, there are two
relatively heavy steel wires inside a lubed synthetic cable. Operates as
push pull, I believe. The prop torque didn't bother me a lot, but my wife,
who is a lot smaller and lighter than I am, could not turn the boat to port
at planing speeds. She had no problems steering the much larger Parker 25,
which had hydraulic steering.

The new unit I had installed is the same unit Parker uses in its production
line for single engine hydraulic steering.

I remember the cable and pulley systems well. That's what there was when I
was growing up in small boats

Two wire steering system
 

On Apr 3, 8:12*am, HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
On Chuck's site someone mentions two wire mechanical push pull steering
systems used by Parker boats. I am curious. Could anyone post a link to
such a steering system. I know in the olden days that OMC used that type
of system for a while but I was unaware that anyone is using it today..
Mine is not a Parker but a Lund. *It uses Teleflex hydraulic steering
that is a thing of beauty and a joy for ever.

I just can't imagine a boat with today's high horse power motors using
the old cable system.
It's not "the old cable system." It's Teleflex's "No Feedback System,"
which has a single push/pull cable coming out of the helm. It is in common
use on many outboard boats.

You can find the details on the teleflex site. There are several such
non-hydraulic systems there, including this one:

http://www.teleflexmarine.com/cgi-bi...=steering&type....

When I mentioned old cable system I had the cable and pulley setup in mind.
I still say that the hydraulic system is better than straight cable.

I remember the cable and pulley system quite well, since I "rigged" many
of them at my father's boat shop, and replaced many cables, too.
Remember that wire wrapped in plastic stuff?

I agree the modern hydraulic system is easier on the operator than the
modern push-pull single cable system on higher torque setups.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And let the lies begin!
Was that before or after your father made his epic trans-Atlantic trip
in a runabout and came to NY for a fireboat welcome?

Two wire steering system
 

Jim wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
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On Chuck's site someone mentions two wire mechanical push pull
steering systems used by Parker boats. I am curious. Could anyone
post a link to such a steering system. I know in the olden days that
OMC used that type of system for a while but I was unaware that
anyone is using it today.

Mine is not a Parker but a Lund. It uses Teleflex hydraulic steering
that is a thing of beauty and a joy for ever.

I just can't imagine a boat with today's high horse power motors
using the old cable system.

It's not "the old cable system." It's Teleflex's "No Feedback System,"
which has a single push/pull cable coming out of the helm. It is in
common use on many outboard boats.

You can find the details on the teleflex site. There are several such
non-hydraulic systems there, including this one:

http://www.teleflexmarine.com/cgi-bi...s&product=1084

Here is what the unnamed poster on Chuck's site posted. I think you can
see why I was curious as to what the poor uninformed person was talking
about. Thank you for confirming that this person is full of poo. Quote
follows-

No, it isn't cable and pulley. On a non-hydraulic system, there are two
relatively heavy steel wires inside a lubed synthetic cable. Operates as
push pull, I believe. The prop torque didn't bother me a lot, but my
wife, who is a lot smaller and lighter than I am, could not turn the
boat to port at planing speeds. She had no problems steering the much
larger Parker 25, which had hydraulic steering.

The new unit I had installed is the same unit Parker uses in its
production line for single engine hydraulic steering.

I remember the cable and pulley systems well. That's what there was when
I was growing up in small boats



Oh. I erred. There's only one steel wire inside a cable, working as push
pull. BFD.

So this is your game now? Making snotty comments about posts in other
places?

Loser, thy name is Florida Jim or whatever you are calling yourself here
these days.

Two wire steering system
 

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:16:38 -0400, "Jim" wrote:

On Chuck's site someone mentions two wire mechanical push pull steering
systems used by Parker boats. I am curious. Could anyone post a link to such
a steering system. I know in the olden days that OMC used that type of
system for a while but I was unaware that anyone is using it today.

Two wire would be the old cable system that is no longer used - I
think by fiat by the Coast Guard. Scotty knows more about that - he
mentioned it once when we were talking offline about steering for his
Brockway.

What I think is being discussed is rack and pinion steering - ancient
technology.

http://www.teleflexmarine.com/cgi-bi...s&product=1084

There is also a variation on that theme with rotary steering -
basically a worm gear and cable

http://www.teleflexmarine.com/cgi-bi...=1086&pa ge=1

I prefer hydraulic steering for engines 150 hp and up - just my
opinion. Essentially maintenance free other than adding oil every
once in a blue moon when the steering gets a little sloppy - which
doesn't happen often. This is the system I have.

http://ww2.seastarsteering.com/

Two wire steering system
 

"HK" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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D.Duck wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
...
On Chuck's site someone mentions two wire mechanical push pull
steering systems used by Parker boats. I am curious. Could anyone post
a link to such a steering system. I know in the olden days that OMC
used that type of system for a while but I was unaware that anyone is
using it today.

Mine is not a Parker but a Lund. It uses Teleflex hydraulic steering
that is a thing of beauty and a joy for ever.

I just can't imagine a boat with today's high horse power motors using
the old cable system.

It's not "the old cable system." It's Teleflex's "No Feedback System,"
which has a single push/pull cable coming out of the helm. It is in
common use on many outboard boats.

You can find the details on the teleflex site. There are several such
non-hydraulic systems there, including this one:

http://www.teleflexmarine.com/cgi-bi...s&product=1084
Here is what the unnamed poster on Chuck's site posted. I think you can
see why I was curious as to what the poor uninformed person was talking
about. Thank you for confirming that this person is full of poo. Quote
follows-

No, it isn't cable and pulley. On a non-hydraulic system, there are two
relatively heavy steel wires inside a lubed synthetic cable. Operates as
push pull, I believe. The prop torque didn't bother me a lot, but my
wife, who is a lot smaller and lighter than I am, could not turn the boat
to port at planing speeds. She had no problems steering the much larger
Parker 25, which had hydraulic steering.

The new unit I had installed is the same unit Parker uses in its
production line for single engine hydraulic steering.

I remember the cable and pulley systems well. That's what there was when
I was growing up in small boats



Oh. I erred. There's only one steel wire inside a cable, working as push
pull. BFD.

So this is your game now? Making snotty comments about posts in other
places?

Loser, thy name is Florida Jim or whatever you are calling yourself here
these days.

I thought it was polite not to mention names, but since you did, you didn't
"err". You are clueless. If you want to come off as an old salt, at least
google up your information and get it right. You sound like Hillary with her
"misspeaks".

Two wire steering system
 

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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"Jim" wrote in message
...
On Chuck's site someone mentions two wire mechanical push pull steering
systems used by Parker boats. I am curious. Could anyone post a link to
such a steering system. I know in the olden days that OMC used that type
of system for a while but I was unaware that anyone is using it today.

Mine is not a Parker but a Lund. It uses Teleflex hydraulic steering that
is a thing of beauty and a joy for ever.

I just can't imagine a boat with today's high horse power motors using the
old cable system.


You should see the cable steering system on the Grand Banks. It's quite a
setup. Plus, if it ever snapped, you pop out a circular cover on the aft
deck, insert a big, mahogany tiller with a metal cap onto the rudder post,
and keep on truckin'.

Eisboch

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Two wire steering system
 

On Apr 3, 8:51*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message

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"Jim" wrote in message
.. .
On Chuck's site someone mentions two wire mechanical push pull steering
systems used by Parker boats. I am curious. Could anyone post a link to
such a steering system. I know in the olden days that OMC used that type
of system for a while but I was unaware that anyone is using it today.

Mine is not a Parker but a Lund. *It uses Teleflex hydraulic steering that
is a thing of beauty and a joy for ever.

I just can't imagine a boat with today's high horse power motors using the
old cable system.

You should see the cable steering system on the Grand Banks. *It's quite a
setup. *Plus, if it ever snapped, you pop out a circular cover on the aft
deck, insert a big, mahogany tiller with a metal cap onto the rudder post,
and keep on truckin'.

Eisboch

Now that's cool! Did it actually come with the tiller stowed away
somewhere?

Two wire steering system
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:16:38 -0400, Jim penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Chuck's site someone mentions two wire mechanical push pull steering
|systems used by Parker boats. I am curious. Could anyone post a link to
such
|a steering system. I know in the olden days that OMC used that type of
|system for a while but I was unaware that anyone is using it today.

Here's the old style:
http://www.cbhforums.com/index.php?showtopic=1981

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http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats

Here is the one I was thinking of. There are 2 cables suspended in the flat
rubber jacketed cable At either end there was a drum. rotate 1 drum and the
other drum would mirror the action.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/97991...phot ohosting

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On Apr 3, 8:51 am, "Eisboch" wrote:

You should see the cable steering system on the Grand Banks. It's quite a
setup. Plus, if it ever snapped, you pop out a circular cover on the aft
deck, insert a big, mahogany tiller with a metal cap onto the rudder post,
and keep on truckin'.

Eisboch

Now that's cool! Did it actually come with the tiller stowed away
somewhere?

Yup. Comes with the boat from Grand Banks. Also, if the engine dies you
can hoist the stabilizing sail on the mast and boom, insert the tiller and
sail back to your slip. Might take a year or two, but you'll get there.

Eisboch

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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Here's the old style:
http://www.cbhforums.com/index.php?showtopic=1981



That's the type my brother and I replaced the cables on in an old beater
boat many, many years ago and got everything backwards.
Turn the helm right, the boat turned left. Turn the helm left and the boat
turned right.

Worked nice and smooth though, with the new cables and pulleys.

I think we drank Pabst Blue Ribbon back then which I suspect had something
to do with the failed project.

Eisboch

Two wire steering system
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message . com...
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:16:38 -0400, Jim penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Chuck's site someone mentions two wire mechanical push pull steering
|systems used by Parker boats. I am curious. Could anyone post a link to such
|a steering system. I know in the olden days that OMC used that type of
|system for a while but I was unaware that anyone is using it today.

Here's the old style:
http://www.cbhforums.com/index.php?showtopic=1981


When I was a kid, my Dad owned a 17' Crestliner
with that pulley steering system. One of the cables
broke once sitting in the back yard and I got the blame.

"Do you know anything about this son?????"

db~uhh ohh

Two wire steering system
 

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:55:41 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Yup. Comes with the boat from Grand Banks. Also, if the engine dies you
can hoist the stabilizing sail on the mast and boom, insert the tiller and
sail back to your slip. Might take a year or two, but you'll get there.

We have the same emergency tiller on the 49 but no sail. Those in the
know say that the sail is totally ineffective and we have twin engines
in any case.

Two wire steering system
 

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:16:58 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

That's the type my brother and I replaced the cables on in an old beater
boat many, many years ago and got everything backwards.
Turn the helm right, the boat turned left. Turn the helm left and the boat
turned right.

Worked nice and smooth though, with the new cables and pulleys.

I think we drank Pabst Blue Ribbon back then which I suspect had something
to do with the failed project.

As I recall the wires have to come off the top of the steering wheel
drum instead of the bottom.

Two wire steering system
 

On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:23:26 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:


We have the same emergency tiller on the 49 but no sail. Those in the
know say that the sail is totally ineffective and we have twin engines
in any case.

Just curious. Might that sail be for roll stabilizing and not "get home"?

Two wire steering system
 

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On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:23:26 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:


We have the same emergency tiller on the 49 but no sail. Those in the
know say that the sail is totally ineffective and we have twin engines
in any case.

Just curious. Might that sail be for roll stabilizing and not "get home"?

Yes. I was just joking about the sail. It *is* for stabilizing and is
often referred to as a "mooring" sail.

Eisboch

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Two wire steering system
 

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:57:06 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:23:26 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:


We have the same emergency tiller on the 49 but no sail. Those in the
know say that the sail is totally ineffective and we have twin engines
in any case.

Just curious. Might that sail be for roll stabilizing and not "get home"?

That was the primary intent but its also too small to be a good roll
stabilizer.

Two wire steering system
 

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:57:06 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:23:26 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:


We have the same emergency tiller on the 49 but no sail. Those in the
know say that the sail is totally ineffective and we have twin engines
in any case.

Just curious. Might that sail be for roll stabilizing and not "get home"?

That was the primary intent but its also too small to be a good roll
stabilizer.


I've never tried it. I rigged the mast and boom for a dink. Maybe the
stabilizing sail works better on the smaller GB's like ours.
Narrower beam and less weight? The 36 footer was also the original GB
design, so maybe the sail setup was really intended for it and not the
bigger boats.

Eisboch

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:25:26 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

I've never tried it. I rigged the mast and boom for a dink. Maybe the
stabilizing sail works better on the smaller GB's like ours.
Narrower beam and less weight? The 36 footer was also the original GB
design, so maybe the sail setup was really intended for it and not the
bigger boats.

Not sure. We have ours rigged as a dinghy hoist also.

Two wire steering system
 

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. com...
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:16:58 -0400, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:



"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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Here's the old style:
http://www.cbhforums.com/index.php?showtopic=1981



That's the type my brother and I replaced the cables on in an old beater
boat many, many years ago and got everything backwards.
Turn the helm right, the boat turned left. Turn the helm left and the
boat
turned right.

Worked nice and smooth though, with the new cables and pulleys.

I think we drank Pabst Blue Ribbon back then which I suspect had something
to do with the failed project.

Actually, if the boat was old enough that would be correct!



Seriously? A tiller, I can understand. Pull it over to port to turn
starboard and visa-versa. But a helm or steering wheel?

Eisboch

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:31:45 -0400, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:



Seriously? A tiller, I can understand. Pull it over to port to turn
starboard and visa-versa. But a helm or steering wheel?

Eisboch


Yes! The ships were rigged so that the wheel caused action and
reaction similar to a tiller. All the way up until about 1930,
steering systems worked this way. One of my co-workers thought he had
found a silly error in the movie Titanic! He noted that the ship
turned opposite the wheel (expecting a modern automobile sort of
response). I had to disappoint him by telling him that "hard to port"
actually turned the ship to starboard.

This quirk has lead to causation in several large maritime
accidents...



Nice nautical tidbit I never knew. Thanks. When I think about it, being a
transition from a tiller, it makes sense. The helmsman would be thinking
rudder position and not the ship's bow heading.

Eisboch