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Valgard Toebreakerson[_2_] March 26th 08 08:18 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
makes a hell of a lot of sense.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...clinton-i.html

Love it - "Let's just saddle up and have an argument."

Heh - makes sense to me.

Robert M. Gary March 26th 08 08:22 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
On Mar 26, 1:18*pm, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
makes a hell of a lot of sense.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...clinton-i.html

Love it - "Let's just saddle up and have an argument."

Heh - makes sense to me.


If nothing else, just for the quotes...

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if
'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If
it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now,
if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual
relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the
present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely
true." -Bill Clinton


-Robert

HK March 26th 08 08:27 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Mar 26, 1:18 pm, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
makes a hell of a lot of sense.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...clinton-i.html

Love it - "Let's just saddle up and have an argument."

Heh - makes sense to me.


If nothing else, just for the quotes...

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if
'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If
it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now,
if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual
relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the
present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely
true." -Bill Clinton


-Robert



Whatever Clinton's lies about his sex life, their significance pale in
comparison to the Bush Administration's ongoing lies about its war
against Iraq.

[email protected] March 26th 08 08:38 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
On Mar 26, 4:23*pm, "JimH" wrote:
"Valgard Toebreakerson" wrote in message

...

makes a hell of a lot of sense.


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...clinton-i.html


Love it - "Let's just saddle up and have an argument."


Heh - makes sense to me.


Very Perot-like.


I thought you were against politics in rec.boats?

JoeSpareBedroom March 26th 08 09:08 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
...
On Mar 26, 1:18 pm, Valgard Toebreakerson wrote:
makes a hell of a lot of sense.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...clinton-i.html

Love it - "Let's just saddle up and have an argument."

Heh - makes sense to me.


If nothing else, just for the quotes...

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if
'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If
it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now,
if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual
relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the
present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely
true." -Bill Clinton


-Robert

==============

Hey....try and be fair and balanced. If you're going to carve Clinton's
foibles into your memory forever, you must also memorize and discuss all of
these:

http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...Hypocrites.jpg



Eisboch March 26th 08 09:16 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..


Whatever Clinton's lies about his sex life, their significance pale in
comparison to the Bush Administration's ongoing lies about its war against
Iraq.




Some of the outright lies being perpetrated by his hopeful successor puts
her in the same category. Very scary.

"Misspoken", my ass.

Eisboch




HK March 26th 08 09:38 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..

Whatever Clinton's lies about his sex life, their significance pale in
comparison to the Bush Administration's ongoing lies about its war against
Iraq.




Some of the outright lies being perpetrated by his hopeful successor puts
her in the same category. Very scary.

"Misspoken", my ass.

Eisboch





WMDs.

After that, what else matters?

HK March 26th 08 09:48 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Whatever Clinton's lies about his sex life, their significance pale in
comparison to the Bush Administration's ongoing lies about its war
against Iraq.


Some of the outright lies being perpetrated by his hopeful successor puts
her in the same category. Very scary.

"Misspoken", my ass.

Eisboch




WMDs.

After that, what else matters?


http://www.joelcomm.com/what_democra...bout_weap.html

http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm

Eh?




It doesn't matter what Democrats said about WMDs. It was Bush who
decided on the basis of bad intel and b.s. to go ahead with an invasion,
and it was Bush who once more information became blatantly obvious
continued with the WMD b.s. and added layers and layers and piles and
piles of b.s. in order to justify his ungodly errors and lies.

Bush was in charge.

HK March 26th 08 09:52 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Whatever Clinton's lies about his sex life, their significance pale in
comparison to the Bush Administration's ongoing lies about its war
against Iraq.

Some of the outright lies being perpetrated by his hopeful successor
puts her in the same category. Very scary.

"Misspoken", my ass.

Eisboch



WMDs.

After that, what else matters?
http://www.joelcomm.com/what_democra...bout_weap.html

http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm

Eh?


It doesn't matter what Democrats said about WMDs.


ROTF!!




They weren't in charge of the government then...Bush and the Repubs were.

D.Duck[_2_] March 26th 08 10:01 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..

Whatever Clinton's lies about his sex life, their significance pale in
comparison to the Bush Administration's ongoing lies about its war
against Iraq.




Some of the outright lies being perpetrated by his hopeful successor puts
her in the same category. Very scary.

"Misspoken", my ass.

Eisboch





WMDs.

After that, what else matters?


What else matters? The future matters.



HK March 26th 08 10:03 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Whatever Clinton's lies about his sex life, their significance pale in
comparison to the Bush Administration's ongoing lies about its war
against Iraq.


Some of the outright lies being perpetrated by his hopeful successor puts
her in the same category. Very scary.

"Misspoken", my ass.

Eisboch




WMDs.

After that, what else matters?


What else matters? The future matters.




There's no future until we have a presidency that can repair the damage
Bush has done.


Eisboch March 26th 08 10:06 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..

Whatever Clinton's lies about his sex life, their significance pale in
comparison to the Bush Administration's ongoing lies about its war
against Iraq.




Some of the outright lies being perpetrated by his hopeful successor puts
her in the same category. Very scary.

"Misspoken", my ass.

Eisboch





WMDs.

After that, what else matters?


Did you see the 60 minutes discussion with the FBI agent who interviewed
Saddam after his capture?
Among other things, Saddam acknowledged that the WMDs *had* been destroyed
either by his orders or by the UN inspection teams. However, he also
acknowledged that he maintained a pretense that some still existed, mainly
out of concern of some Arab neighbors, like Iran.

So, I propose this idea for your consideration:

Ask yourself if you believe the USA and other Coalition forces were
justified in attacking Iraq in order to liberate Kuwait in the first Gulf
War?



If your answer is "No", then you are truly anti-war, and against any
intervention in other country's affairs or aid to our allies with whom we
have treaties and promises to help protect.



However, if you answered, "Yes", please consider this POV:





Following the Gulf War, Saddam and his government remained in power.

Over time, Saddam began rejecting agreements made and agreed to in the UN
resolutions.

Saddam began firing on Coalition aircraft monitoring the compliance of those
resolutions.

Saddam began obstruction of the activities of UN weapons inspectors.

Eventually Saddam kicked the UN weapons inspectors out of the country.



Saddam became more and more defiant and boastful, making renewed threats to
neighboring countries.

He continued to threaten and murder dissenters within Iraq.

He continued to maintain the image of having WMDs. (this is important)



After his capture, he claimed all WMD's had been destroyed, either by the UN
inspectors or by his own government.

However, he acknowledged that he maintained a pretense of having WMDs
hidden, mainly to provide an image of capability due to the potential
threats of neighboring nations, including Iran.



The world's intelligence agencies .... repeat .... the world's intelligence
agencies, including those of the USA, and most members of Congress believed
those claims, because he refused to account for the total destruction of
all WMDs. Again, he *refused* to account for the destruction of all WMDs
while hinting around that he still had some.



Result?



Over six months of demands for him to come clean, allow the resumption of
inspections, compliance with UN Gulf War resolutions, all of which were
rejected, ignored or stalled upon.



That's why we invaded Iraq. Bush didn't "lie" in my opinion. He believed
what most all other people reading the intelligence believed, including
Congress, and did what he thought was necessary. What he thought was
necessary may be legitimately debated, but it's a cop-out to say, "Not my
fault, I was lied to."





Now, with that submitted, I also realize, as evidenced by the absolutely
ridiculous and childlike politicking that is going on right now, primarily
by the Dems, that reason, logic and common sense don't apply when it comes
to politics. It's ok to lie, create "stories" or facts, and change history
as long as it serves your agenda.



It's disgusting.





Eisboch





Robert M. Gary March 26th 08 10:08 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
On Mar 26, 2:48*pm, HK wrote:

It doesn't matter what Democrats said about WMDs. It was Bush who
decided on the basis of bad intel and b.s. to go ahead with an invasion,


And Hillary and Kerry. Check the voting record. They had access to the
same Intel.

-Robert

D.Duck[_2_] March 26th 08 10:09 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Whatever Clinton's lies about his sex life, their significance pale in
comparison to the Bush Administration's ongoing lies about its war
against Iraq.


Some of the outright lies being perpetrated by his hopeful successor
puts her in the same category. Very scary.

"Misspoken", my ass.

Eisboch




WMDs.

After that, what else matters?


What else matters? The future matters.



There's no future until we have a presidency that can repair the damage
Bush has done.


As always, time will tell.



Eisboch March 26th 08 10:15 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message

It doesn't matter what Democrats said about WMDs.



ROTF!!


They weren't in charge of the government then...Bush and the Repubs were.



And?


Maybe if Bush just said, "I misspoke" all the party faithful on the left
would understand. Seems to work for HClinton.

Eisboch



Eisboch March 26th 08 10:19 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..



There's no future until we have a presidency that can repair the damage
Bush has done.


So, you figure replacing a dumb liar (in your eyes) with a very smart,
cagey and deceitful liar will fix things?

No thanks. I'll take the dumb.

Eisboch



Eisboch March 26th 08 10:32 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:16:13 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
m...


Whatever Clinton's lies about his sex life, their significance pale in
comparison to the Bush Administration's ongoing lies about its war
against
Iraq.




Some of the outright lies being perpetrated by his hopeful successor puts
her in the same category. Very scary.

"Misspoken", my ass.

Eisboch



She claimed it was because she was tired. Later it was confirmed that the
claim
was written into her prepared speech before she gave it. It wasn't some
off the
cuff flub.



She has also told the "sniper" story at least twice before in recent weeks.
Must be very tired, I guess.

I mean, come on! I don't care how tired I was, but if at some point in my
life I landed in a war zone with reported snipers around had to "run" with
covered head to get from the airplane to the building ..... I'd remember
every single detail. So would anyone.

She's a deceitful liar who will say or do *anything* to get the nomination
...... and win the election.

BTW .... the "sniper" story is not the only one she as modified or
embellished recently for effect.
But, the party "faithful" just brush the lies off as being part of
"politicking".

Unless it's Bush.


Eisboch



Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] March 26th 08 10:41 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:06:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

It's disgusting.


Yes indeed.

Eisboch March 26th 08 10:43 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

wrote in message
...



Bear in mind that slightly more than half of the party faithful aren't
exactly
under her spell at the present, and are hardly giving her a pass on this.




HClinton currently has a 37 percent "favorable" rating among Democrats.
Yet, over 40 percent say they will vote for her.

What the heck is wrong with this picture?

Eisboch



Don White March 26th 08 10:53 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
. ..


Whatever Clinton's lies about his sex life, their significance pale in
comparison to the Bush Administration's ongoing lies about its war
against Iraq.




Some of the outright lies being perpetrated by his hopeful successor puts
her in the same category. Very scary.

"Misspoken", my ass.

Eisboch



Every politician..federal/provincial/municipal should be hooked up to a
reliable lie detector before they can open their mouths.
American politicians... two detectors in case they overwhelm the first. ;-)



Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] March 26th 08 11:00 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:43:03 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .



Bear in mind that slightly more than half of the party faithful aren't
exactly
under her spell at the present, and are hardly giving her a pass on this.


HClinton currently has a 37 percent "favorable" rating among Democrats.
Yet, over 40 percent say they will vote for her.

What the heck is wrong with this picture?


The Democrats are self-destructing.

Fun to watch.

I find it really interesting that the "super delegates" who are
supposed to be the leavening hand in the election are essentially
sitting this one out hoping against hope that they won't have to take
a stand and support one or the other. The supers all want to have to
not take a stand, yet they are going to have to.

Which means a brokered convention.

And that's going to be a war.

Finally - a fun political convention. Back room deals, cigar smoke
and a floor fight.

Plus, the movement to disrupt the convention on the Obaminions side if
Obama isn't nominated and the same from the Clintonistas.

WHOO HOO!!!

What's really fun is reading the left side of the blogosphere - both
sides are going apoplectic using language they usually reserve for GWB
for each other.

It's delicious.


HK March 26th 08 11:01 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Whatever Clinton's lies about his sex life, their significance pale in
comparison to the Bush Administration's ongoing lies about its war
against Iraq.


Some of the outright lies being perpetrated by his hopeful successor puts
her in the same category. Very scary.

"Misspoken", my ass.

Eisboch




WMDs.

After that, what else matters?


Did you see the 60 minutes discussion with the FBI agent who interviewed
Saddam after his capture?
Among other things, Saddam acknowledged that the WMDs *had* been destroyed
either by his orders or by the UN inspection teams. However, he also
acknowledged that he maintained a pretense that some still existed, mainly
out of concern of some Arab neighbors, like Iran.

So, I propose this idea for your consideration:

Ask yourself if you believe the USA and other Coalition forces were
justified in attacking Iraq in order to liberate Kuwait in the first Gulf
War?



If your answer is "No", then you are truly anti-war, and against any
intervention in other country's affairs or aid to our allies with whom we
have treaties and promises to help protect.



However, if you answered, "Yes", please consider this POV:





Following the Gulf War, Saddam and his government remained in power.

Over time, Saddam began rejecting agreements made and agreed to in the UN
resolutions.

Saddam began firing on Coalition aircraft monitoring the compliance of those
resolutions.

Saddam began obstruction of the activities of UN weapons inspectors.

Eventually Saddam kicked the UN weapons inspectors out of the country.



Saddam became more and more defiant and boastful, making renewed threats to
neighboring countries.

He continued to threaten and murder dissenters within Iraq.

He continued to maintain the image of having WMDs. (this is important)



After his capture, he claimed all WMD's had been destroyed, either by the UN
inspectors or by his own government.

However, he acknowledged that he maintained a pretense of having WMDs
hidden, mainly to provide an image of capability due to the potential
threats of neighboring nations, including Iran.



The world's intelligence agencies .... repeat .... the world's intelligence
agencies, including those of the USA, and most members of Congress believed
those claims, because he refused to account for the total destruction of
all WMDs. Again, he *refused* to account for the destruction of all WMDs
while hinting around that he still had some.



Result?



Over six months of demands for him to come clean, allow the resumption of
inspections, compliance with UN Gulf War resolutions, all of which were
rejected, ignored or stalled upon.



That's why we invaded Iraq. Bush didn't "lie" in my opinion. He believed
what most all other people reading the intelligence believed, including
Congress, and did what he thought was necessary. What he thought was
necessary may be legitimately debated, but it's a cop-out to say, "Not my
fault, I was lied to."





Now, with that submitted, I also realize, as evidenced by the absolutely
ridiculous and childlike politicking that is going on right now, primarily
by the Dems, that reason, logic and common sense don't apply when it comes
to politics. It's ok to lie, create "stories" or facts, and change history
as long as it serves your agenda.



It's disgusting.





Eisboch




The first Gulf war was entirely different in every respect. I thought it
was a good idea because of the support it had, and because there was
never any idea of occupying Iraq.

I believe Bush lied, he manipulated the intel to support what he wanted
to do, and after it started unraveling, he just increased the number of
lies.


HK March 26th 08 11:05 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
John H. wrote:

Heard them all on Rush's show.




Yup. Thought Herring was a Limbaugh retard.

Eisboch March 26th 08 11:06 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...




WHOO HOO!!!

What's really fun is reading the left side of the blogosphere - both
sides are going apoplectic using language they usually reserve for GWB
for each other.

It's delicious.


Hey! One person suffering from logophilia in this NG is enough.

Eisboch



Eisboch March 26th 08 11:12 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..


The first Gulf war was entirely different in every respect. I thought it
was a good idea because of the support it had, and because there was never
any idea of occupying Iraq.

I believe Bush lied, he manipulated the intel to support what he wanted to
do, and after it started unraveling, he just increased the number of lies.


And that's fine for you to believe that.
It's also fine for others not to. As inept as he as proven to be in many
things, it's hard to believe he had the capability to convince world
intelligence, US intelligence, members of Congress, including those reading
the same damn data and reports that he had.

If you are correct, you've misjudged his mental capacity.

Eisboch



Eisboch March 26th 08 11:19 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
John H. wrote:

Heard them all on Rush's show.




Yup. Thought Herring was a Limbaugh retard.



I heard the same thing. But not from Russ Limbaugh. (I've never listened
to him).

I heard it from ..... Keith Olbermann. Even he was in disbelief, given
his obvious leanings. He also reported on a number of other "fact
embellishments" regarding HClinton's claims of diplomatic experience.

Must have been a slow news night for Keith.

Eisboch



HK March 26th 08 11:25 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..
John H. wrote:

Heard them all on Rush's show.




Yup. Thought Herring was a Limbaugh retard.



I heard the same thing. But not from Russ Limbaugh. (I've never listened
to him).

I heard it from ..... Keith Olbermann. Even he was in disbelief, given
his obvious leanings. He also reported on a number of other "fact
embellishments" regarding HClinton's claims of diplomatic experience.

Must have been a slow news night for Keith.

Eisboch




Hmmm. I thought we were discussing the Bush Administrations
rationalizations for its war against Iraq. Did I miss a post?


Eisboch March 26th 08 11:30 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..


Hmmm. I thought we were discussing the Bush Administrations
rationalizations for its war against Iraq. Did I miss a post?



No.

You've been Bush and GOP bashing for years in this NG on a daily basis. We
know what you think.
It's our turn to comment on lies and deceit of some of the Dems that you
admire so much.

Eisboch



Short Wave Sportfishing[_2_] March 26th 08 11:37 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:06:20 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .




WHOO HOO!!!

What's really fun is reading the left side of the blogosphere - both
sides are going apoplectic using language they usually reserve for GWB
for each other.

It's delicious.


Hey! One person suffering from logophilia in this NG is enough.


Ahem...

Ok - I'll return to my normal dumbass persona.

Woops - did it again. :)

HK March 26th 08 11:56 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..

Hmmm. I thought we were discussing the Bush Administrations
rationalizations for its war against Iraq. Did I miss a post?



No.

You've been Bush and GOP bashing for years in this NG on a daily basis. We
know what you think.
It's our turn to comment on lies and deceit of some of the Dems that you
admire so much.

Eisboch



Oh. Well, have fun with it. Let me know when Obama's or Hillary's lies
lead to the deaths of 4000 Americans overseas, the wounding of about
40,000 others, the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis, and a trillion
dollars flushed down the toilet.


John H.[_3_] March 27th 08 12:03 AM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:06:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


So, I propose this idea for your consideration:

Ask yourself if you believe the USA and other Coalition forces were
justified in attacking Iraq in order to liberate Kuwait in the first Gulf
War?



If your answer is "No", then you are truly anti-war, and against any
intervention in other country's affairs or aid to our allies with whom we
have treaties and promises to help protect.



However, if you answered, "Yes", please consider this POV:





Following the Gulf War, Saddam and his government remained in power.

Over time, Saddam began rejecting agreements made and agreed to in the UN
resolutions.

Saddam began firing on Coalition aircraft monitoring the compliance of those
resolutions.

Saddam began obstruction of the activities of UN weapons inspectors.

Eventually Saddam kicked the UN weapons inspectors out of the country.



Saddam became more and more defiant and boastful, making renewed threats to
neighboring countries.

He continued to threaten and murder dissenters within Iraq.

He continued to maintain the image of having WMDs. (this is important)



After his capture, he claimed all WMD's had been destroyed, either by the UN
inspectors or by his own government.

However, he acknowledged that he maintained a pretense of having WMDs
hidden, mainly to provide an image of capability due to the potential
threats of neighboring nations, including Iran.



The world's intelligence agencies .... repeat .... the world's intelligence
agencies, including those of the USA, and most members of Congress believed
those claims, because he refused to account for the total destruction of
all WMDs. Again, he *refused* to account for the destruction of all WMDs
while hinting around that he still had some.



Result?



Over six months of demands for him to come clean, allow the resumption of
inspections, compliance with UN Gulf War resolutions, all of which were
rejected, ignored or stalled upon.



That's why we invaded Iraq. Bush didn't "lie" in my opinion. He believed
what most all other people reading the intelligence believed, including
Congress, and did what he thought was necessary. What he thought was
necessary may be legitimately debated, but it's a cop-out to say, "Not my
fault, I was lied to."





Now, with that submitted, I also realize, as evidenced by the absolutely
ridiculous and childlike politicking that is going on right now, primarily
by the Dems, that reason, logic and common sense don't apply when it comes
to politics. It's ok to lie, create "stories" or facts, and change history
as long as it serves your agenda.



It's disgusting.





Eisboch



Lying always is.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

John H.[_3_] March 27th 08 12:04 AM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:21:34 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:16:13 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
m...


Whatever Clinton's lies about his sex life, their significance pale in
comparison to the Bush Administration's ongoing lies about its war against
Iraq.




Some of the outright lies being perpetrated by his hopeful successor puts
her in the same category. Very scary.

"Misspoken", my ass.

Eisboch



She claimed it was because she was tired. Later it was confirmed that the claim
was written into her prepared speech before she gave it. It wasn't some off the
cuff flub.



What do you mean 'it'? She's said the same things or versions thereof at
least three times. Heard them all on Rush's show.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

John H.[_3_] March 27th 08 12:08 AM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:00:42 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Plus, the movement to disrupt the convention on the Obaminions side if
Obama isn't nominated and the same from the Clintonistas.

WHOO HOO!!!

What's really fun is reading the left side of the blogosphere - both
sides are going apoplectic using language they usually reserve for GWB
for each other.

It's delicious.


That last was cruel.

But, I'm not complaining.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)

Eisboch March 27th 08 12:14 AM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
. ..

Hmmm. I thought we were discussing the Bush Administrations
rationalizations for its war against Iraq. Did I miss a post?



No.

You've been Bush and GOP bashing for years in this NG on a daily basis.
We know what you think.
It's our turn to comment on lies and deceit of some of the Dems that you
admire so much.

Eisboch


Oh. Well, have fun with it. Let me know when Obama's or Hillary's lies
lead to the deaths of 4000 Americans overseas, the wounding of about
40,000 others, the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis, and a trillion
dollars flushed down the toilet.


I don't know what to believe. But when I see a potential POTUS lying with
such a cavalier attitude about it when caught, just to get the nomination of
her party, I get nervous. It's obvious and a fact that she's very capable
of lying to achieve a goal. It's a theory by some (and unproven) that Bush
did.

It could be much, much worse.

Eisboch



[email protected] March 27th 08 11:57 AM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:14:47 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


I don't know what to believe. But when I see a potential POTUS lying
with such a cavalier attitude about it when caught, just to get the
nomination of her party, I get nervous. It's obvious and a fact that
she's very capable of lying to achieve a goal. It's a theory by some
(and unproven) that Bush did.


Both Bill and Hillary are known to play fast and loose with truth. What
surprises me, is that you are unwilling to accept that GWB does too. Not
all of Bush's lies are unproven. Here's one that is quite similar to
Hillary's recent lie.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bushlie.html

I agree with your up-thread post, a sniper would heighten my memory for
detail. I can also say, most people can remember exact detail when first
hearing about 9/11. Hell, I can remember exactly where I was when I
first heard of JFK's assassination.

Hillary is a "deceitful liar", but GWB is not?


It could be much, much worse.

Eisboch



Eisboch March 27th 08 12:02 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 

"John H." wrote in message
...

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:19:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:




I heard the same thing. But not from Russ Limbaugh. (I've never listened
to him).

I heard it from ..... Keith Olbermann. Even he was in disbelief, given
his obvious leanings. He also reported on a number of other "fact
embellishments" regarding HClinton's claims of diplomatic experience.

Must have been a slow news night for Keith.

Eisboch




I wonder if that makes you an Olbermann retard? He's worse than Limbaugh
ever thought of being.

Hard to believe he said something nasty about Hillary.



I listen and watch him. Most of the time I have to grit my teeth to do so,
but I listen to what he has to say.

Eisboch



John H.[_3_] March 27th 08 12:12 PM

There are times when Bill Clinton...
 
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:19:14 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:

Heard them all on Rush's show.




Yup. Thought Herring was a Limbaugh retard.



I heard the same thing. But not from Russ Limbaugh. (I've never listened
to him).

I heard it from ..... Keith Olbermann. Even he was in disbelief, given
his obvious leanings. He also reported on a number of other "fact
embellishments" regarding HClinton's claims of diplomatic experience.

Must have been a slow news night for Keith.

Eisboch


I wonder if that makes you an Olbermann retard? He's worse than Limbaugh
ever thought of being.

Hard to believe he said something nasty about Hillary.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)


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