Thoughtful speech
 

by Obama.

Eisboch

Thoughtful speech
 

Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch



The man is dangerous.

Thoughtful speech
 

BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch


The man is dangerous.



Gosh, I sure hope so.

Thoughtful speech
 

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch

The man is dangerous.


Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you boast
about with unfortunate Americans.
The need is great and you apparently have much to give..

Thoughtful speech
 

Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch
The man is dangerous.


Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you boast
about with unfortunate Americans.
The need is great and you apparently have much to give..




delicious, ain't it?

Thoughtful speech
 

Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch
The man is dangerous.


Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you boast
about with unfortunate Americans.

I share enough of it already, the effective tax rate is something like 54%

The need is great and you apparently have much to give..

The want is great, the needs is small...chew on that a bit.

Thoughtful speech
 

HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch
The man is dangerous.


Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you
boast about with unfortunate Americans.
The need is great and you apparently have much to give..



delicious, ain't it?

Donate more of your money to the government, the will take all that you
want to give.

Thoughtful speech
 

On Mar 18, 11:32*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors. I expected a lot more
substance, I think, and I know I am simple, but I think he is one of
the most intellectual candidates we have seen in a long time, even if
I think he is too liberal for me.

Thoughtful speech
 

On Mar 18, 8:36*pm, wrote:
On Mar 18, 11:32*am, "Eisboch" wrote:

by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors.

maybe because he didn't get behind a pulpit and immitate his Preacha'!

That would have gotten his crowd more off center.

Thoughtful speech
 

On Mar 18, 10:19*pm, Tim wrote:
On Mar 18, 8:36*pm, wrote:

On Mar 18, 11:32*am, "Eisboch" wrote:

by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors.

maybe because he didn't get behind a pulpit and immitate his Preacha'!

That would have gotten his crowd more off center.

No, I just think he tried to walk a political tightrope and came
across as kind of waffling on the issue, not taking a real stand
either way.

Thoughtful speech
 

On Mar 18, 9:28*pm, wrote:
On Mar 18, 10:19*pm, Tim wrote:





On Mar 18, 8:36*pm, wrote:

On Mar 18, 11:32*am, "Eisboch" wrote:

by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors.

maybe because he didn't get behind a pulpit and immitate his Preacha'!

That would have gotten his crowd more off center.

No, I just think he tried to walk a political tightrope and came
across as kind of waffling on the issue, not taking a real stand
either way.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Isn't that the sign of a true politician?

Thoughtful speech
 

On Mar 18, 10:32*pm, Tim wrote:
On Mar 18, 9:28*pm, wrote:





On Mar 18, 10:19*pm, Tim wrote:

On Mar 18, 8:36*pm, wrote:

On Mar 18, 11:32*am, "Eisboch" wrote:

by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors.

maybe because he didn't get behind a pulpit and immitate his Preacha'!

That would have gotten his crowd more off center.

No, I just think he tried to walk a political tightrope and came
across as kind of waffling on the issue, not taking a real stand
either way.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Isn't that the sign of a true politician?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, wishful thinking on my part.

Thoughtful speech
 

Thoughtful speech
 

wrote in message
...
On Mar 18, 11:32 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors. I expected a lot more
substance, I think, and I know I am simple, but I think he is one of
the most intellectual candidates we have seen in a long time, even if
I think he is too liberal for me.

----------------------------------------------

I had a totally different impression. I didn't see it as a "political"
speech at all. It was more a "time out" from politics speech to expose
more of what he is, how he thinks and what he believes in.

I thought he very effectively got across the feel and image of being black
in America and of the remaining distrust that exists among groups with
different ethnic backgrounds. I thought he dealt with his nut case pastor's
comments with class and dignity.
I admire people who are loyal, even when that loyalty may hurt you
personally. He didn't give the pastor a free pass ... he condemned his
statements ..... but he also pointed out the good the pastor has to offer.

I thought it was very well written, delivered and had a strong message.

Eisboch

Thoughtful speech
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Mar 18, 11:32 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors. I expected a lot more
substance, I think, and I know I am simple, but I think he is one of
the most intellectual candidates we have seen in a long time, even if
I think he is too liberal for me.

----------------------------------------------

I had a totally different impression. I didn't see it as a "political"
speech at all. It was more a "time out" from politics speech to expose
more of what he is, how he thinks and what he believes in.

I thought he very effectively got across the feel and image of being black
in America and of the remaining distrust that exists among groups with
different ethnic backgrounds. I thought he dealt with his nut case
pastor's comments with class and dignity.
I admire people who are loyal, even when that loyalty may hurt you
personally. He didn't give the pastor a free pass ... he condemned his
statements ..... but he also pointed out the good the pastor has to offer.

I thought it was very well written, delivered and had a strong message.

Eisboch



He is a great Orator. But, and it is a big but. He did not really explain
his poor judgement. Accepting the pastor for 20 years at Trinity, and
making him an advisor does not show good judgement. And that may be a
really bad thing when trying to get elected.

Thoughtful speech
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Mar 18, 11:32 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors. I expected a lot more
substance, I think, and I know I am simple, but I think he is one of
the most intellectual candidates we have seen in a long time, even if
I think he is too liberal for me.

----------------------------------------------

I had a totally different impression. I didn't see it as a "political"
speech at all. It was more a "time out" from politics speech to expose
more of what he is, how he thinks and what he believes in.

I thought he very effectively got across the feel and image of being
black in America and of the remaining distrust that exists among groups
with different ethnic backgrounds. I thought he dealt with his nut case
pastor's comments with class and dignity.
I admire people who are loyal, even when that loyalty may hurt you
personally. He didn't give the pastor a free pass ... he condemned his
statements ..... but he also pointed out the good the pastor has to
offer.

I thought it was very well written, delivered and had a strong message.

Eisboch



He is a great Orator. But, and it is a big but. He did not really
explain his poor judgement. Accepting the pastor for 20 years at Trinity,
and making him an advisor does not show good judgement. And that may be a
really bad thing when trying to get elected.


You may be right. Politically (meaning policy-wise), I would have a hard
time voting for him. I just thought that he hit the race issue and subject
of human interaction in a refreshing, non-combative and intelligent way. I
particularly like how he made the media look like a bunch of simpletons,
without actually trying to.

Eisboch

Thoughtful speech
 

On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:54:59 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
On Mar 18, 11:32 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors. I expected a lot more
substance, I think, and I know I am simple, but I think he is one of
the most intellectual candidates we have seen in a long time, even if
I think he is too liberal for me.

----------------------------------------------

I had a totally different impression. I didn't see it as a "political"
speech at all. It was more a "time out" from politics speech to expose
more of what he is, how he thinks and what he believes in.

I thought he very effectively got across the feel and image of being
black in America and of the remaining distrust that exists among groups
with different ethnic backgrounds. I thought he dealt with his nut case
pastor's comments with class and dignity.
I admire people who are loyal, even when that loyalty may hurt you
personally. He didn't give the pastor a free pass ... he condemned his
statements ..... but he also pointed out the good the pastor has to
offer.

I thought it was very well written, delivered and had a strong message.

He is a great Orator. But, and it is a big but. He did not really
explain his poor judgement. Accepting the pastor for 20 years at Trinity,
and making him an advisor does not show good judgement. And that may be a
really bad thing when trying to get elected.


You may be right. Politically (meaning policy-wise), I would have a hard
time voting for him. I just thought that he hit the race issue and subject
of human interaction in a refreshing, non-combative and intelligent way. I
particularly like how he made the media look like a bunch of simpletons,
without actually trying to.

I agree with you - as a piece of oratory, it was excellant - well
delivered, effective, semantically perfect and done with flair.

Does not explain anything however. And despite CNN and MSNBC's
fawning over the speech, it did not come close to Dr. King's "I Have A
Dream" speech no matter what A. Cooper and Chris Matthews says.

Personally, I believe in what he says - I practice it. I don't really
care if you are black, blue, orange or from the Andromeda Galaxy. It's
not what you are, but who you are that's important to me.

I have some personal doubts that Obama believes it as I do. He says he
does, but in practice, maybe he doesn't.

Thoughtful speech
 

On Mar 19, 5:54*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message

...







"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
On Mar 18, 11:32 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors. I expected a lot more
substance, I think, and I know I am simple, but I think he is one of
the most intellectual candidates we have seen in a long time, even if
I think he is too liberal for me.

----------------------------------------------

I had a totally different impression. *I didn't see it as a "political"
speech at all. *It was more a "time out" *from politics speech to expose
more of what he is, how he thinks and what he believes in.

I thought he very effectively got across the feel and image of being
black in America and of the remaining distrust that exists among groups
with different ethnic backgrounds. *I thought he dealt with his nut case
pastor's comments with class and dignity.
I admire people who are loyal, even when that loyalty may hurt you
personally. *He didn't give the pastor a free pass ... he condemned his
statements ..... but he also pointed out the good the pastor has to
offer.

I thought it was very well written, delivered and had a strong message.

Eisboch

He is a great Orator. *But, and it is a big but. *He did not really
explain his poor judgement. *Accepting the pastor for 20 years at Trinity,
and making him an advisor does not show good judgement. *And that may be a
really bad thing when trying to get elected.

You may be right. *Politically (meaning policy-wise), I would have a hard
time voting for him. *I just thought that he hit the race issue and subject
of human interaction in a refreshing, non-combative and intelligent way. *I
particularly like how he made the media look like a bunch of simpletons,
without actually trying to.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I agree. He hit the race issue right on the head. For both sides.

Thoughtful speech
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
by Obama.

Eisboch


That's not a speech, this is a speech-

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

Thoughtful speech
 

On Mar 19, 11:39*am, "LoogyPicker" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...

by Obama.

Eisboch

That's not a speech, this is a speech-

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

Awe, there's my little stalker girl back........

Thoughtful speech
 

"LoogyPicker" wrote in message
news:QsaEj.7345$%Y2.4808@trnddc08...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
by Obama.

Eisboch


That's not a speech, this is a speech-

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU


Whew!

The dude's for real, too.

Eisboch

Thoughtful speech
 

HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch
The man is dangerous.


Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you
boast about with unfortunate Americans.
The need is great and you apparently have much to give..



delicious, ain't it?

"delicious"? That just sounds dumb.

Thoughtful speech
 

John wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch
The man is dangerous.

Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you boast
about with unfortunate Americans.
I share enough of it already, the effective tax rate is something like 54%


Then you are obviously in the upper middle class range.
Due to the regressive nature of SS tax, the highest tax rate is right at the
SS cap. After you go over that your tax rate starts to go back down,
slowly, but the rate does go down.
That is why I think they should eliminate the SS cap - then it would be the
first true flat tax.




I agree...every damned dollar of income should be subject to SS taxation.

Thoughtful speech
 

"hk" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch
The man is dangerous.

Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you
boast about with unfortunate Americans.
I share enough of it already, the effective tax rate is something like
54%


Then you are obviously in the upper middle class range.
Due to the regressive nature of SS tax, the highest tax rate is right at
the SS cap. After you go over that your tax rate starts to go back down,
slowly, but the rate does go down.
That is why I think they should eliminate the SS cap - then it would be
the first true flat tax.


I agree...every damned dollar of income should be subject to SS taxation.

Not to mention an additional tax to pay for the war/reconstruction in iraq &
elsewhere.
Why stick future generations with this expense.

Thoughtful speech
 

hk wrote:
John wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch
The man is dangerous.

Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you
boast about with unfortunate Americans.
I share enough of it already, the effective tax rate is something
like 54%


Then you are obviously in the upper middle class range.
Due to the regressive nature of SS tax, the highest tax rate is right
at the SS cap. After you go over that your tax rate starts to go back
down, slowly, but the rate does go down.
That is why I think they should eliminate the SS cap - then it would
be the first true flat tax.



I agree...every damned dollar of income should be subject to SS taxation.

Typical response from a lower income putz.

Thoughtful speech
 

Don White wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch
The man is dangerous.

Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you
boast about with unfortunate Americans.
I share enough of it already, the effective tax rate is something like
54%

Then you are obviously in the upper middle class range.
Due to the regressive nature of SS tax, the highest tax rate is right at
the SS cap. After you go over that your tax rate starts to go back down,
slowly, but the rate does go down.
That is why I think they should eliminate the SS cap - then it would be
the first true flat tax.

I agree...every damned dollar of income should be subject to SS taxation.

Not to mention an additional tax to pay for the war/reconstruction in iraq &
elsewhere.
Why stick future generations with this expense.



You are dealing with your son's expenses. Based on your theory, he'll
really be screwed when you finally kick the bucket. Maybe he should get
a *real* job?

Thoughtful speech
 

John wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch
The man is dangerous.

Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you boast
about with unfortunate Americans.
I share enough of it already, the effective tax rate is something like 54%


Then you are obviously in the upper middle class range.
Due to the regressive nature of SS tax, the highest tax rate is right at the
SS cap. After you go over that your tax rate starts to go back down,
slowly, but the rate does go down.
That is why I think they should eliminate the SS cap - then it would be the
first true flat tax.

That would bankrupt the SS system due to them having to pay out more to
those who "contribute" more. Remember it is in a lock box, right?

Thoughtful speech
 

hk wrote:
John wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch
The man is dangerous.

Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you
boast about with unfortunate Americans.
I share enough of it already, the effective tax rate is something
like 54%


Then you are obviously in the upper middle class range.
Due to the regressive nature of SS tax, the highest tax rate is right
at the SS cap. After you go over that your tax rate starts to go back
down, slowly, but the rate does go down.
That is why I think they should eliminate the SS cap - then it would
be the first true flat tax.



I agree...every damned dollar of income should be subject to SS taxation.

No income should be taxed. Purchases sales should be taxed.

Thoughtful speech
 

Don White wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch
The man is dangerous.

Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you
boast about with unfortunate Americans.
I share enough of it already, the effective tax rate is something like
54%

Then you are obviously in the upper middle class range.
Due to the regressive nature of SS tax, the highest tax rate is right at
the SS cap. After you go over that your tax rate starts to go back down,
slowly, but the rate does go down.
That is why I think they should eliminate the SS cap - then it would be
the first true flat tax.

I agree...every damned dollar of income should be subject to SS taxation.

Not to mention an additional tax to pay for the war/reconstruction in iraq &
elsewhere.
Why stick future generations with this expense.



We'll just take over your natural resources. You are the 51st state.

Thoughtful speech
 

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch
The man is dangerous.

Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you
boast about with unfortunate Americans.
I share enough of it already, the effective tax rate is something like
54%

Then you are obviously in the upper middle class range.
Due to the regressive nature of SS tax, the highest tax rate is right
at the SS cap. After you go over that your tax rate starts to go back
down, slowly, but the rate does go down.
That is why I think they should eliminate the SS cap - then it would be
the first true flat tax.

I agree...every damned dollar of income should be subject to SS
taxation.

Not to mention an additional tax to pay for the war/reconstruction in
iraq & elsewhere.
Why stick future generations with this expense.

We'll just take over your natural resources. You are the 51st state.


By the time you're finished over there, you'll be so broke we'll buy you for
pennies on the dollar.........that is if the Chinese don't get you first.
Let's see...the 11th province..mmmm

Thoughtful speech
 

Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch
The man is dangerous.

Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you
boast about with unfortunate Americans.
I share enough of it already, the effective tax rate is something like
54%

Then you are obviously in the upper middle class range.
Due to the regressive nature of SS tax, the highest tax rate is right
at the SS cap. After you go over that your tax rate starts to go back
down, slowly, but the rate does go down.
That is why I think they should eliminate the SS cap - then it would be
the first true flat tax.
I agree...every damned dollar of income should be subject to SS
taxation.
Not to mention an additional tax to pay for the war/reconstruction in
iraq & elsewhere.
Why stick future generations with this expense.
We'll just take over your natural resources. You are the 51st state.


By the time you're finished over there, you'll be so broke we'll buy you for
pennies on the dollar.........that is if the Chinese don't get you first.
Let's see...the 11th province..mmmm


All we have to do is nationalize the national debt and China's politburo
can use our T-notes to wipe their asses.

Thoughtful speech
 

"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Don White wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
. ..
John wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
. ..
Eisboch wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch
The man is dangerous.

Hee hee! You just might have to share some of that big income you
boast about with unfortunate Americans.
I share enough of it already, the effective tax rate is something
like 54%

Then you are obviously in the upper middle class range.
Due to the regressive nature of SS tax, the highest tax rate is right
at the SS cap. After you go over that your tax rate starts to go
back down, slowly, but the rate does go down.
That is why I think they should eliminate the SS cap - then it would
be the first true flat tax.
I agree...every damned dollar of income should be subject to SS
taxation.
Not to mention an additional tax to pay for the war/reconstruction in
iraq & elsewhere.
Why stick future generations with this expense.
We'll just take over your natural resources. You are the 51st state.


By the time you're finished over there, you'll be so broke we'll buy you
for pennies on the dollar.........that is if the Chinese don't get you
first.
Let's see...the 11th province..mmmm

All we have to do is nationalize the national debt and China's politburo
can use our T-notes to wipe their asses.


Is that how y'all do business down there?

Thoughtful speech
 

Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
All we have to do is nationalize the national debt and China's politburo
can use our T-notes to wipe their asses.


Is that how y'all do business down there?

Yes.

Thoughtful speech
 

BAR wrote:
Donate more of your money to the government, the will take all that you
want to give.

Why give em any more when the democratic controlled congress can't seem
to properly manage what they've taken so far?

Thoughtful speech
 

On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:22:50 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Mar 18, 11:32 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
by Obama.

Eisboch

I don't know, I thought he fell a little flat. Even the end, where he
seemed to be hoping for a better response from his audience. It was
kind of muffled not unlike his speech. I don't think he pleased either
side of the issue, supporters or detractors. I expected a lot more
substance, I think, and I know I am simple, but I think he is one of
the most intellectual candidates we have seen in a long time, even if
I think he is too liberal for me.

----------------------------------------------

I had a totally different impression. I didn't see it as a "political"
speech at all. It was more a "time out" from politics speech to expose
more of what he is, how he thinks and what he believes in.

I thought he very effectively got across the feel and image of being black
in America and of the remaining distrust that exists among groups with
different ethnic backgrounds. I thought he dealt with his nut case pastor's
comments with class and dignity.
I admire people who are loyal, even when that loyalty may hurt you
personally. He didn't give the pastor a free pass ... he condemned his
statements ..... but he also pointed out the good the pastor has to offer.

I thought it was very well written, delivered and had a strong message.

Eisboch


His statement that rejecting his pastor is a rejection of the black
community implies that the black community feels the same way as his
pastor. I don't think that's true, although there are *some* in the black
community who use the same language.

If I were a black who didn't believe that the USA developed AIDS for black
genocide, that we should be saying "God damn America", that we caused 9/11,
and the other comments from the pastor, I'd be ****ed at Obama's
implication.
--
John *H*
(Not the other one!)