SeaRay plant closes
 

Just heard on the local news that the SeaRay plant on Merritt Island
In FL is closing.
A few hundred workers there.
They build the larger 40-60 something foot yachts there.
I guess the moneyed folks aren't buying big SeaRays.

SeaRay plant closes
 

On Feb 28, 9:38*pm, wrote:
Just heard on the local news that the SeaRay plant on Merritt Island
In FL is closing.
A few hundred workers there.
They build the larger 40-60 something foot yachts there.
I guess the moneyed folks aren't buying big SeaRays.

huh? i thought Se ray was a pretty good sized affair?

One more (?) Were they owned by Bruswick?

Of course, i suppose I could look it up myself....

SeaRay plant closes
 

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:14:59 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 28, 9:38*pm, wrote:
Just heard on the local news that the SeaRay plant on Merritt Island
In FL is closing.
A few hundred workers there.
They build the larger 40-60 something foot yachts there.
I guess the moneyed folks aren't buying big SeaRays.

huh? i thought Se ray was a pretty good sized affair?

One more (?) Were they owned by Bruswick?

Of course, i suppose I could look it up myself....

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...GNEWS/80228057

It's not closing entirely - just some boat aren't going to be built.

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On Feb 29, 2:54�am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:14:59 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 28, 9:38�pm, wrote:
Just heard on the local news that the SeaRay plant on Merritt Island
In FL is closing.
A few hundred workers there.
They build the larger 40-60 something foot yachts there.
I guess the moneyed folks aren't buying big SeaRays.

huh? �i thought Se ray was a pretty good sized affair?

One more (?) �Were they owned by Bruswick?

Of course, i suppose I could look it up myself....

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...20080228/BREAK...

It's not closing entirely - just some boat aren't going to be built.

And it's even as bad as that. Production of some models will be
"moved" to other Sea Ray plants. 350 jobs are being eliminated at
Merritt Island, but 270 jobs are being added at the plants where
production is being shifted.

Either the other plants are more efficient, or current staffing levels
there
afford some excess capacity.

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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 29, 2:54�am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:14:59 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 28, 9:38�pm, wrote:
Just heard on the local news that the SeaRay plant on Merritt Island
In FL is closing.
A few hundred workers there.
They build the larger 40-60 something foot yachts there.
I guess the moneyed folks aren't buying big SeaRays.
huh? �i thought Se ray was a pretty good sized affair?
One more (?) �Were they owned by Bruswick?
Of course, i suppose I could look it up myself....
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...20080228/BREAK...

It's not closing entirely - just some boat aren't going to be built.

And it's even as bad as that. Production of some models will be
"moved" to other Sea Ray plants. 350 jobs are being eliminated at
Merritt Island, but 270 jobs are being added at the plants where
production is being shifted.

Either the other plants are more efficient, or current staffing levels
there
afford some excess capacity.

How about cheaper labor.

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BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 29, 2:54�am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:14:59 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 28, 9:38�pm, wrote:
Just heard on the local news that the SeaRay plant on Merritt Island
In FL is closing.
A few hundred workers there.
They build the larger 40-60 something foot yachts there.
I guess the moneyed folks aren't buying big SeaRays.
huh? �i thought Se ray was a pretty good sized affair?
One more (?) �Were they owned by Bruswick?
Of course, i suppose I could look it up myself....
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...20080228/BREAK...

It's not closing entirely - just some boat aren't going to be built.

And it's even as bad as that. Production of some models will be
"moved" to other Sea Ray plants. 350 jobs are being eliminated at
Merritt Island, but 270 jobs are being added at the plants where
production is being shifted.

Either the other plants are more efficient, or current staffing levels
there
afford some excess capacity.

How about cheaper labor.


Blurtie wants everyone to work for minimum wage so he can pretend he is
wealthy.

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 29, 2:54�am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:14:59 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 28, 9:38�pm, wrote:
Just heard on the local news that the SeaRay plant on Merritt Island
In FL is closing.
A few hundred workers there.
They build the larger 40-60 something foot yachts there.
I guess the moneyed folks aren't buying big SeaRays.
huh? �i thought Se ray was a pretty good sized affair?
One more (?) �Were they owned by Bruswick?
Of course, i suppose I could look it up myself....
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...20080228/BREAK...


It's not closing entirely - just some boat aren't going to be built.

And it's even as bad as that. Production of some models will be
"moved" to other Sea Ray plants. 350 jobs are being eliminated at
Merritt Island, but 270 jobs are being added at the plants where
production is being shifted.

Either the other plants are more efficient, or current staffing levels
there
afford some excess capacity.

How about cheaper labor.


Blurtie wants everyone to work for minimum wage so he can pretend he is
wealthy.

Harry, I don't have to pretend I am wealthy. I have a great wife, two
daughters that love me, a nice house (you've seen it in person right?),
a great job.

I don't lie about my life, possessions or accomplishments.

Cheaper labor is the quickest way to reduce costs on a project. Why pay
someone $20 an hour when you can get someone for $15 an hour to do the
exact same job, with the exact same production and quality?

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On Feb 29, 5:26�am, BAR wrote:


How about cheaper labor.- Hide quoted text -


Some of the production is being moved from Merritt Island, FL to Palm
Coast, FL. It would be hard to imagine that there would be substantial
differences in prevailing wages in one small FL town vs another small
FL town. The rest of Sea Ray's plants are in Knoxville, TN. TN isn't
as far into the deep south, so at first brush one might expect
prevailing wages to be slightly higher there. I would bet that some
other factor is driving the relocation of production- maybe the other
plant is newer, or has equipment that is better suited for certain
processes.

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BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 29, 2:54�am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:14:59 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 28, 9:38�pm, wrote:
Just heard on the local news that the SeaRay plant on Merritt Island
In FL is closing.
A few hundred workers there.
They build the larger 40-60 something foot yachts there.
I guess the moneyed folks aren't buying big SeaRays.
huh? �i thought Se ray was a pretty good sized affair?
One more (?) �Were they owned by Bruswick?
Of course, i suppose I could look it up myself....
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...20080228/BREAK...


It's not closing entirely - just some boat aren't going to be built.

And it's even as bad as that. Production of some models will be
"moved" to other Sea Ray plants. 350 jobs are being eliminated at
Merritt Island, but 270 jobs are being added at the plants where
production is being shifted.

Either the other plants are more efficient, or current staffing levels
there
afford some excess capacity.

How about cheaper labor.


Blurtie wants everyone to work for minimum wage so he can pretend he
is wealthy.

Harry, I don't have to pretend I am wealthy. I have a great wife, two
daughters that love me, a nice house (you've seen it in person right?),
a great job.


No, Blurtie, I have never seen your house. Sorry. I try to avoid
overcrowded areas. In fact, about the only places I go to with any
frequency in Montgomery County are the Greek Orthodox Church of St.
George and the George Meany Center.

I have, however, seen a photo of the roof of your house, via Google
Earth. Too congested for me.

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:06:05 -0500, HK wrote:

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 29, 2:54?am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:14:59 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 28, 9:38?pm, wrote:
Just heard on the local news that the SeaRay plant on Merritt Island
In FL is closing.
A few hundred workers there.
They build the larger 40-60 something foot yachts there.
I guess the moneyed folks aren't buying big SeaRays.
huh? ?i thought Se ray was a pretty good sized affair?
One more (?) ?Were they owned by Bruswick?
Of course, i suppose I could look it up myself....
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...20080228/BREAK...


It's not closing entirely - just some boat aren't going to be built.

And it's even as bad as that. Production of some models will be
"moved" to other Sea Ray plants. 350 jobs are being eliminated at
Merritt Island, but 270 jobs are being added at the plants where
production is being shifted.

Either the other plants are more efficient, or current staffing levels
there
afford some excess capacity.

How about cheaper labor.


Blurtie wants everyone to work for minimum wage so he can pretend he
is wealthy.

Harry, I don't have to pretend I am wealthy. I have a great wife, two
daughters that love me, a nice house (you've seen it in person right?),
a great job.


No, Blurtie, I have never seen your house. Sorry. I try to avoid
overcrowded areas. In fact, about the only places I go to with any
frequency in Montgomery County are the Greek Orthodox Church of St.
George and the George Meany Center.

I have, however, seen a photo of the roof of your house, via Google
Earth. Too congested for me.

Harry, does lying about yourself make you feel better about yourself?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...
On Feb 29, 5:26?am, BAR wrote:


How about cheaper labor.- Hide quoted text -


Some of the production is being moved from Merritt Island, FL to Palm
Coast, FL. It would be hard to imagine that there would be substantial
differences in prevailing wages in one small FL town vs another small
FL town. The rest of Sea Ray's plants are in Knoxville, TN. TN isn't
as far into the deep south, so at first brush one might expect
prevailing wages to be slightly higher there. I would bet that some
other factor is driving the relocation of production- maybe the other
plant is newer, or has equipment that is better suited for certain
processes.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Florida is not considered to be included the "deep south", and wages are
higher in Fl than TN.

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On Feb 29, 6:57�am, "Loogypicker" wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

...
On Feb 29, 5:26?am, BAR wrote:



How about cheaper labor.- Hide quoted text -

Some of the production is being moved from Merritt Island, FL to Palm
Coast, FL. It would be hard to imagine that there would be substantial
differences in prevailing wages in one small FL town vs another small
FL town. The rest of Sea Ray's plants are in Knoxville, TN. TN isn't
as far into the deep south, so at first brush one might expect
prevailing wages to be slightly higher there. I would bet that some
other factor is driving the relocation of production- maybe the other
plant is newer, or has equipment that is better suited for certain
processes.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Florida is not considered to be included the "deep south", and wages are
higher in Fl than TN.

If you get any deeper south than FL. you wind up in Cuba. :-)

But you're right about the wages- even though the difference is pretty
miniscule.

Median household income, southern states, 2004
(Note: overal US median income in 2004 was $44,334)

GA: 42,679 (probably due mostly to Atlanta metro area)
FL: 39730
SC: 39454
TN: 38945
AL: 37062
AR: 35295
LA: 35216
MIS: 34278

Median household income is about $800 less in TN than in FL

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Chuck Gould wrote:
Either the other plants are more efficient, or current staffing levels
there afford some excess capacity.

I have no inside info but I think Merritt Island must be one of Sea
Ray's oldest plants (if not THE oldest). When I first heard of Sea
Ray, back in the 70's, there were only two plants. Merritt Island and
another in some odd place like Arizona. Not that Arizona is odd but I
remember wondering why anybody would build boats in a desert. Anyhow,
my uninformed guess would be they're just moving some production to a
newer and more modern plant rather than spending $$ on updating at
Merritt. That's just a wild ass guess though.

Rick

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wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
Either the other plants are more efficient, or current staffing levels
there afford some excess capacity.

I have no inside info but I think Merritt Island must be one of Sea
Ray's oldest plants (if not THE oldest). When I first heard of Sea
Ray, back in the 70's, there were only two plants. Merritt Island and
another in some odd place like Arizona. Not that Arizona is odd but I
remember wondering why anybody would build boats in a desert. Anyhow,
my uninformed guess would be they're just moving some production to a
newer and more modern plant rather than spending $$ on updating at
Merritt. That's just a wild ass guess though.

Rick


I read some of the comments related to the news release of the closing. One
affected person who claims to work at the plant and is now being offered
employment elsewhere in SeaRay (or Boston Whaler) claims that local
government and environmentalist actions establishing manatee zones and speed
limits in the waters adjacent to the plant that were used for testing the
boats have made it impractical to continue building the boats there.
Because of the new restrictions, the boats under test must be idled out too
far requiring time and raising additional issues should a new boat under
test develop problem requiring assistance.

Eisboch

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On Feb 29, 8:31Â*am, HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 29, 2:54�am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:14:59 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 28, 9:38�pm, wrote:
Just heard on the local news that the SeaRay plant on Merritt Island
In FL is closing.
A few hundred workers there.
They build the larger 40-60 something foot yachts there.
I guess the moneyed folks aren't buying big SeaRays.
huh? �i thought Se ray was a pretty good sized affair?
One more (?) �Were they owned by Bruswick?
Of course, i suppose I could look it up myself....
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...20080228/BREAK....

It's not closing entirely - just some boat aren't going to be built.

And it's even as bad as that. Production of some models will be
"moved" to other Sea Ray plants. 350 jobs are being eliminated at
Merritt Island, but 270 jobs are being added at the plants where
production is being shifted.

Either the other plants are more efficient, or current staffing levels
there
afford some excess capacity.

How about cheaper labor.

Blurtie wants everyone to work for minimum wage so he can pretend he is
wealthy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

While I don't agree with Bert on a lot of things, I can say that at
least he doesn't have to lie about what he's done, his work,, his
boats(s), his wife, or his father. Unlike you, that is.

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On Feb 29, 8:37Â*am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 29, 5:26�am, BAR wrote:



How about cheaper labor.- Hide quoted text -

Some of the production is being moved from Merritt Island, FL to Palm
Coast, FL. It would be hard to imagine that there would be substantial
differences in prevailing wages in one small FL town vs another small
FL town. The rest of Sea Ray's plants are in Knoxville, TN. TN isn't
as far into the deep south, so at first brush one might expect
prevailing wages to be slightly higher there. I would bet that some
other factor is driving the relocation of production- maybe the other
plant is newer, or has equipment that is better suited for certain
processes.

Nah, wages in TN are low. It's not necessarily a "south" thing.
Georgia's wages are quite high, thanks to lots of industry.

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On Feb 29, 10:38Â*am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 29, 6:57�am, "Loogypicker" wrote:





"Chuck Gould" wrote in message

...
On Feb 29, 5:26?am, BAR wrote:

How about cheaper labor.- Hide quoted text -

Some of the production is being moved from Merritt Island, FL to Palm
Coast, FL. It would be hard to imagine that there would be substantial
differences in prevailing wages in one small FL town vs another small
FL town. The rest of Sea Ray's plants are in Knoxville, TN. TN isn't
as far into the deep south, so at first brush one might expect
prevailing wages to be slightly higher there. I would bet that some
other factor is driving the relocation of production- maybe the other
plant is newer, or has equipment that is better suited for certain
processes.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Florida is not considered to be included the "deep south", and wages are
higher in Fl than TN.

If you get any deeper south than FL. you wind up in Cuba. :-)

But you're right about the wages- even though the difference is pretty
miniscule.

Median household income, southern states, 2004
(Note: overal US median income in 2004 was $44,334)

GA: 42,679 Â*(probably due mostly to Atlanta metro area)
somewhat, but not really. There is a lot more metro type areas in GA
than you think.

FL: 39730

Florida is up, used to be one of the lowest, believe it or not.
SC: 39454
TN: 38945
AL: 37062
AR: 35295
LA: 35216
MIS: 34278

Median household income is about $800 less in TN than in FL- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

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On Fri, 29 Feb 08, "Eisboch" wrote:
local
government and environmentalist actions establishing manatee zones and speed
limits in the waters adjacent to the plant that were used for testing the
boats have made it impractical to continue building the boats there.

aha... that'll do it alright. And sounds more plausible than my
guesswork.

Rick

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:37:12 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote:

I would bet that some
other factor is driving the relocation of production- maybe the other
plant is newer, or has equipment that is better suited for certain
processes.

There must be significant savings from consolidating two physical
facilities into one even if headcount stays flat.

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:34:41 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

local
government and environmentalist actions establishing manatee zones and speed
limits in the waters adjacent to the plant that were used for testing the
boats have made it impractical to continue building the boats there.
Because of the new restrictions, the boats under test must be idled out too
far requiring time and raising additional issues should a new boat under
test develop problem requiring assistance.

Welcome to Florida, "Save The Manatee Club" strikes again. All it
takes is a wealthy donor who wants a slow speed zone implemented for
some reason.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:34:41 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

local
government and environmentalist actions establishing manatee zones and speed
limits in the waters adjacent to the plant that were used for testing the
boats have made it impractical to continue building the boats there.
Because of the new restrictions, the boats under test must be idled out too
far requiring time and raising additional issues should a new boat under
test develop problem requiring assistance.

Welcome to Florida, "Save The Manatee Club" strikes again. All it
takes is a wealthy donor who wants a slow speed zone implemented for
some reason.



Here's hoping there are many more slow speed zones, especially in your
area.

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:31:01 -0500, HK wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:34:41 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

local
government and environmentalist actions establishing manatee zones and speed
limits in the waters adjacent to the plant that were used for testing the
boats have made it impractical to continue building the boats there.
Because of the new restrictions, the boats under test must be idled out too
far requiring time and raising additional issues should a new boat under
test develop problem requiring assistance.

Welcome to Florida, "Save The Manatee Club" strikes again. All it
takes is a wealthy donor who wants a slow speed zone implemented for
some reason.



Here's hoping there are many more slow speed zones, especially in your
area.

Thank God for American Express, huh Harry? At least you get acceptance
somewhere.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 29, 2:54�am, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:14:59 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Feb 28, 9:38�pm, wrote:
Just heard on the local news that the SeaRay plant on Merritt
Island
In FL is closing.
A few hundred workers there.
They build the larger 40-60 something foot yachts there.
I guess the moneyed folks aren't buying big SeaRays.
huh? �i thought Se ray was a pretty good sized affair?
One more (?) �Were they owned by Bruswick?
Of course, i suppose I could look it up myself....
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbc...20080228/BREAK...


It's not closing entirely - just some boat aren't going to be built.

And it's even as bad as that. Production of some models will be
"moved" to other Sea Ray plants. 350 jobs are being eliminated at
Merritt Island, but 270 jobs are being added at the plants where
production is being shifted.

Either the other plants are more efficient, or current staffing levels
there
afford some excess capacity.

How about cheaper labor.


Blurtie wants everyone to work for minimum wage so he can pretend he
is wealthy.

Harry, I don't have to pretend I am wealthy. I have a great wife, two
daughters that love me, a nice house (you've seen it in person right?),
a great job.


No, Blurtie, I have never seen your house. Sorry. I try to avoid
overcrowded areas. In fact, about the only places I go to with any
frequency in Montgomery County are the Greek Orthodox Church of St.
George and the George Meany Center.

I have to to get the hell out of this county, the George Meany Center. I
need to move back to Virginia. You know the NRA's headquarters, the
National Right to Work headquarters.

I have, however, seen a photo of the roof of your house, via Google
Earth. Too congested for me.

Why have you seen a photo of the roof on my house? Why were you googling
my address? Are you that much of a busy body that you have to
investigate me? I'll bet you looked me up in the SDAT database too. You
can't help yourself can you.

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:31:01 -0500, HK wrote:

Here's hoping there are many more slow speed zones, especially in your
area.

If you own a trawler the whole world is a slow speed zone, and same to
you and the horse you rode in on.