The road to Skynet...
 

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

On Feb 28, 1:57*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. *But hope springs eternal!

And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. *It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: *Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. *I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. *At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. *When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?

Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

My blow up doll does both.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

The road to Skynet...
 

On Feb 28, 3:11*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc





wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:57*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. *But hope springs eternal!

And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. *It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: *Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. *I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. *At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. *When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?

Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

My blow up doll does both.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But it will never pass for human because you don't have to buy it an
expensive meal or ply it with alcohol to get to give it up.

The road to Skynet...
 

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 12:22:01 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

On Feb 28, 3:11*pm, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc





wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:57*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. *But hope springs eternal!

And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. *It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: *Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. *I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. *At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. *When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?

Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

My blow up doll does both.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But it will never pass for human because you don't have to buy it an
expensive meal or ply it with alcohol to get to give it up.

ROTFL!!!

If you ever get a chance, read David Levy's "Love and Sex With Robots:
The Evolution of Human-Robot Relationships".

Once you get past the whole robot sexmachina ideas, it is a
fascinating look inside what makes an AI tick.

I'll give you fair warning - it's his PhD dissertation cleaned up a
little for commercial purposes so it can be a tad dense in areas.

The road to Skynet...
 

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:57:07 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. But hope springs eternal!

And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?

Years ago, the Scifi channel of all entities, had a software robot
named Yotz that used to roam around it's chat channels and converse
with participants. Yotz became very sophisticated in it's responses
to questions and would pick up on conversations when it entered a room
and make comments on the commentary.

It's was interesting to watch Yotz over the early years "learn" it's
responses, but it never became really spontaneous unless you asked it
something directly. They tried to get it to respond to general
commentary, but it never could quite get there.

Newbies used to get ****ed off at Yotz becaue they never knew that
Yotz wasn't capable of dealing with just general stuff unless you
asked it directly.

I never quite decided if that was smart on Yotz's part or not. :)

The road to Skynet...
 

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

On Feb 28, 1:57*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. *But hope springs eternal!

And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. *It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: *Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. *I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. *At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. *When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?

Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

Can't help but think of Blade Runner when reading this. Never read
the book (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?) as I had moved on from
sci-fi by the time it came out. I'd like to read it, though.
Blade Runner is one of my favorite movies. One of the most haunting
scenes I've ever seen in a movie is when Deckard tells the girl her
memories are fake, that she's not human, whereupon she sheds tears.
The renegade warrior replicants did show one seemingly real emotion.
Hate your enemy. Might argue that was programmed. Or not.

--Vic

The road to Skynet...
 

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:05:00 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

On Feb 28, 1:57*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. *But hope springs eternal!

And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. *It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: *Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. *I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. *At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. *When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?

Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

Can't help but think of Blade Runner when reading this. Never read
the book (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?) as I had moved on from
sci-fi by the time it came out. I'd like to read it, though.

"Androids" is well worth the time to read - unlike some of his other
ego driven crap - Phillip K. Dick was a real dick in every sense of
the word. Talk about a meglomaniac.

Blade Runner is one of my favorite movies. One of the most haunting
scenes I've ever seen in a movie is when Deckard tells the girl her
memories are fake, that she's not human, whereupon she sheds tears.
The renegade warrior replicants did show one seemingly real emotion.
Hate your enemy. Might argue that was programmed. Or not.

Ridley Scott was really on his game with "Blade Runner". Great movie.

The road to Skynet...
 

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:03:18 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:57:07 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. But hope springs eternal!

And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?

Years ago, the Scifi channel of all entities, had a software robot
named Yotz that used to roam around it's chat channels and converse
with participants. Yotz became very sophisticated in it's responses
to questions and would pick up on conversations when it entered a room
and make comments on the commentary.

It's was interesting to watch Yotz over the early years "learn" it's
responses, but it never became really spontaneous unless you asked it
something directly. They tried to get it to respond to general
commentary, but it never could quite get there.

Newbies used to get ****ed off at Yotz becaue they never knew that
Yotz wasn't capable of dealing with just general stuff unless you
asked it directly.

I never quite decided if that was smart on Yotz's part or not. :)

It can be dangerous to ask "How are you?"
Might be a hypochondriac you're asking.
When I was young I had a real problem engaging in small talk.
Some said it was just a question of maturation.
But I think I'm an android, and just learned it via programmed
accretion of knowledge in observing how humans do it.
Oh, wait. That's you! (-:

--Vic

The road to Skynet...
 

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:14:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

But I think I'm an android, and just learned it via programmed
accretion of knowledge in observing how humans do it.
Oh, wait. That's you! (-:

Yes - it's true - I am an android. In fact, most of the universe are
biological artificial intelligences evolved well beyond the mere meat
bags here on Earth.

It's all a part of my master plan of Galactic Domination to pose as
human.

And now that you know the truth, you will be receiving a visit from my
team of Android Marines very shortly.

Enjoy your trip to Omicron Persei VIII. :)

The road to Skynet...
 

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 11:43:56 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

On Feb 28, 1:57 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:36:34 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Seems we seldom have more than one or two boating topics a day
anyway. But hope springs eternal!
And spring is right around the corner for you high latitude folks. It
was in the 80s here last week but a chilly 40 something this morning.
Hopefully the pool will warm up by late afternoon.

Back to computers: Read up on "the Turing Test" for some fresh
insights:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test

As you can see, this discussion has been going on for a long time. I
would postulate that Kasparov's automated opponent has already passed
the test within its limited realm. At some point, and it may have
already started, computers will be expertly programmed to simulate
feelings, emotion and creative thought. When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?
Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.

My blow up doll does both.

Do you mean she bitches at you to turn off the TV Sports channel and has
way too many headaches?

The road to Skynet...
 

jamesgangnc wrote:
nd creative thought. When the simulations become
so well done that world class experts can't tell the difference, what
do you have then?
Simulating human behavior is far from possessing human characteristics.
My blow up doll does both.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But it will never pass for human because you don't have to buy it an
expensive meal or ply it with alcohol to get to give it up.

Have you meet JohnH's blow up doll?