Harbingers of Spring
 

On Feb 14, 3:27*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:22:48 -0500, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:12:27 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:45:57 -0500, HK wrote:
I have Mapsource open on my computer right now for reference. If I
missed something, please specify what it might be. I'm beginning to
suspect that you do not actually own a Garmin, but made a post based
on some ignorant magazine review written by someone with a skill set
similar to your own.- Hide quoted text -

As I stated, I am not doing what *you* do with waypoints.
The truth is you aren't doing anything with waypoints in MapSource
because you don't own MapSource. We all get that, Hairless. Go play in
traffic.

Here you go, crap-for-brains -

My copy of Mapsource showing some of my waypoints:

http://tinyurl.com/3x42zw

And here's a snap of my Garmin 4208:

http://tinyurl.com/37yfl7

snerk
You need a chartplotter to figure out where you are when your boat is
parked on the hard in the marina? Do you have a waypoint for that?
Bwahahahaha.

You still haven't explained, even in general terms what problem you
have entering waypoints, and why the instructions I posted don't
apply.

It's always a bit humorous to me when someone who isn't very bright,
someone like you, makes assumptions about what others are doing at a
particular moment, or how they are using a piece of gear.

No, crap-for-brains, I wasn't using the plotter to figure out where I
was on the day that photo was taken, *nor* was the boat parked at a marina.

And you are right, I haven't explained the problem I had. I don't intend
to do so, either. The only aspect of it that was important was that I
was not doing with waypoints what you were doing.

I'm saving *this* bit from your post:

" The truth is you aren't doing anything with waypoints in MapSource
because you don't own MapSource. We all get that, Hairless. Go play
in traffic."

It's a perfect example of the sort of "scummery" that sadly has taken
over in rec.boats.

So, in other words, you admit have no idea what you are talking about,
and cannot support anything you claimed about setting waypoints in
Mapsource.

Got it!

Again, more scummery from crap-for-brains.

I know exactly what I was talking about in waypoints, and I can
easily support what I claimed.

I simply choose not to do so.

There is *no* requirement I do what *you* want here or, in fact,
anywhere else. You're nothing more than another "anonymous" rec.boats
a**hole.

"In other words" is the refuge you twerps frequently hide behind when
other posters won't do as you wish.

snerk

I said we all got it, Hairless. You made a claim that you cannot
substantiate, and now you are having a hissy fit over being exposed.
Playing the "I don't have to tell you" card to try and cover your
embarassment is about as lame as it gets.

Go snerk yourself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

He says that he's doing something other than what we are doing. I've
asked what that is, and how is he so sure we aren't already doing what
he's trying to do........

Harbingers of Spring
 

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:13:27 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:58:17 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 14, 11:53 am, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:36:49 -0500, HK
wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:21:59 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Feb 14, 9:10 am, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:34:37 -0500, HK
wrote:
Saw a few spring birds out the yard this morning, so, cold as
it is, we
must be getting close to a seasonal change - I hope. Put out
some seed
for them in our backyard feeders - they gotta be hungry.
Dug my Garmin GPS out of its winter hiding place, took off
the dust
cover, and used my "accessory" two wire cord to plug it in
and then
logged onto Garmin's site to see if there was a software
update. There
was. Downloaded it, transferred it onto an SD card
and...voila! Now, if
warm weather would only get here.
The Garmin system software is fine, but I sure don't have
much good to
say about its "Mapsource" software to add waypoints and
suchlike from
your computer to the unit. It's klunky.
You must be doing it wrong, or trying to "guess" how to do it
without
bothering to read the manual. There's nothing particularly clunky
about it.
I have no problems with mine, either.
It's VERY complicated!
select the "waypoint tool" which is the little green flag icon
in the
menu bar
click on the point where you want to create a waypoint.
a window pops up where you can name the waypoint, (requires
typing the
name)
select what icon it will use if other than default black square is
desired (drop down menu)
select what category or categories it will be listed in (check
boxes)
Optional: a "comment" if wanted and a few otther parameters.
Most of
the time, all you need to do is name it and select what
categories you
want it listed under.
Done.
Not quite.
Oh, yeah, you have to click on "Okay" after the above grueling and
tortuous procedure.

I have Mapsource open on my computer right now for reference. If I
missed something, please specify what it might be. I'm beginning to
suspect that you do not actually own a Garmin, but made a post based
on some ignorant magazine review written by someone with a skill set
similar to your own.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
My 12 year old likes to do my updates, waypoints etc. for me.
...and can probably read a book and play a video game while doing it.



You and Loogy ought to get a room - you are perfectly suited for each
other.

As I stated, I am not doing what *you* do with waypoints.

The truth is you aren't doing anything with waypoints in MapSource
because you don't own MapSource. We all get that, Hairless. Go play in
traffic.




Here you go, crap-for-brains -

My copy of Mapsource showing some of my waypoints:


http://tinyurl.com/3x42zw


And here's a snap of my Garmin 4208:

http://tinyurl.com/37yfl7


snerk



How about a picture of the 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat?

Harbingers of Spring
 

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:12:27 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:45:57 -0500, HK wrote:
I have Mapsource open on my computer right now for reference.
If I
missed something, please specify what it might be. I'm
beginning to
suspect that you do not actually own a Garmin, but made a post
based
on some ignorant magazine review written by someone with a
skill set
similar to your own.- Hide quoted text -


As I stated, I am not doing what *you* do with waypoints.
The truth is you aren't doing anything with waypoints in MapSource
because you don't own MapSource. We all get that, Hairless. Go
play in
traffic.


Here you go, crap-for-brains -

My copy of Mapsource showing some of my waypoints:


http://tinyurl.com/3x42zw


And here's a snap of my Garmin 4208:

http://tinyurl.com/37yfl7


snerk
You need a chartplotter to figure out where you are when your boat is
parked on the hard in the marina? Do you have a waypoint for that?
Bwahahahaha.

You still haven't explained, even in general terms what problem you
have entering waypoints, and why the instructions I posted don't
apply.

It's always a bit humorous to me when someone who isn't very bright,
someone like you, makes assumptions about what others are doing at a
particular moment, or how they are using a piece of gear.

No, crap-for-brains, I wasn't using the plotter to figure out where I
was on the day that photo was taken, *nor* was the boat parked at a
marina.

And you are right, I haven't explained the problem I had. I don't
intend to do so, either. The only aspect of it that was important was
that I was not doing with waypoints what you were doing.

I'm saving *this* bit from your post:

" The truth is you aren't doing anything with waypoints in MapSource
because you don't own MapSource. We all get that, Hairless. Go
play in traffic."

It's a perfect example of the sort of "scummery" that sadly has taken
over in rec.boats.


So, in other words, you admit have no idea what you are talking about,
and cannot support anything you claimed about setting waypoints in
Mapsource.
Got it!




Again, more scummery from crap-for-brains.

I know exactly what I was talking about in waypoints, and I can
easily support what I claimed.

I simply choose not to do so.

There is *no* requirement I do what *you* want here or, in fact,
anywhere else. You're nothing more than another "anonymous" rec.boats
a**hole.

"In other words" is the refuge you twerps frequently hide behind when
other posters won't do as you wish.

snerk


Can your support our claim to having a 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat?

Harbingers of Spring
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:12:27 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:45:57 -0500, HK wrote:
I have Mapsource open on my computer right now for reference.
If I
missed something, please specify what it might be. I'm
beginning to
suspect that you do not actually own a Garmin, but made a
post based
on some ignorant magazine review written by someone with a
skill set
similar to your own.- Hide quoted text -


As I stated, I am not doing what *you* do with waypoints.
The truth is you aren't doing anything with waypoints in MapSource
because you don't own MapSource. We all get that, Hairless. Go
play in
traffic.


Here you go, crap-for-brains -

My copy of Mapsource showing some of my waypoints:


http://tinyurl.com/3x42zw


And here's a snap of my Garmin 4208:

http://tinyurl.com/37yfl7


snerk
You need a chartplotter to figure out where you are when your boat is
parked on the hard in the marina? Do you have a waypoint for that?
Bwahahahaha.

You still haven't explained, even in general terms what problem you
have entering waypoints, and why the instructions I posted don't
apply.

It's always a bit humorous to me when someone who isn't very bright,
someone like you, makes assumptions about what others are doing at a
particular moment, or how they are using a piece of gear.

No, crap-for-brains, I wasn't using the plotter to figure out where
I was on the day that photo was taken, *nor* was the boat parked at
a marina.

And you are right, I haven't explained the problem I had. I don't
intend to do so, either. The only aspect of it that was important
was that I was not doing with waypoints what you were doing.

I'm saving *this* bit from your post:

" The truth is you aren't doing anything with waypoints in MapSource
because you don't own MapSource. We all get that, Hairless. Go
play in traffic."

It's a perfect example of the sort of "scummery" that sadly has
taken over in rec.boats.


So, in other words, you admit have no idea what you are talking about,
and cannot support anything you claimed about setting waypoints in
Mapsource.
Got it!




Again, more scummery from crap-for-brains.

I know exactly what I was talking about in waypoints, and I can
easily support what I claimed.

I simply choose not to do so.

There is *no* requirement I do what *you* want here or, in fact,
anywhere else. You're nothing more than another "anonymous" rec.boats
a**hole.

"In other words" is the refuge you twerps frequently hide behind when
other posters won't do as you wish.

snerk


Can your support our claim to having a 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat?


Make that your claim. The rest of us don't pretend to have things.

Harbingers of Spring
 

On Feb 14, 3:59*pm, BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:13:27 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:58:17 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 14, 11:53 am, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:36:49 -0500, HK
wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:21:59 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Feb 14, 9:10 am, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:34:37 -0500, HK
wrote:
Saw a few spring birds out the yard this morning, so, cold as
it is, we
must be getting close to a seasonal change - I hope. Put out
some seed
for them in our backyard feeders - they gotta be hungry.
Dug my Garmin GPS out of its winter hiding place, took off
the dust
cover, and used my "accessory" two wire cord to plug it in
and then
logged onto Garmin's site to see if there was a software
update. There
was. Downloaded it, transferred it onto an SD card
and...voila! *Now, if
warm weather would only get here.
The Garmin system software is fine, but I sure don't have
much good to
say about its "Mapsource" software to add waypoints and
suchlike from
your computer to the unit. It's klunky.
You must be doing it wrong, or trying to "guess" how to do it
without
bothering to read the manual. There's nothing particularly clunky
about it.
I have no problems with mine, either.
It's VERY complicated!
select the "waypoint tool" which is the little green flag icon
in the
menu bar
click on the point where you want to create a waypoint.
a window pops up where you can name the waypoint, (requires
typing the
name)
select what icon it will use if other than default black square is
desired (drop down menu)
select what category or categories it will be listed in (check
boxes)
Optional: a "comment" if wanted and a few otther parameters.
Most of
the time, all you need to do is name it and select what
categories you
want it listed under.
Done.
Not quite.
Oh, yeah, you have to click on "Okay" after the above grueling and
tortuous procedure.

I have Mapsource open on my computer right now for reference. If I
missed something, please specify what it might be. I'm beginning to
suspect that you do not actually own a Garmin, but made a post based
on some ignorant magazine review written by someone with a skill set
similar to your own.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
My 12 year old likes to do my updates, waypoints etc. for me.
...and can probably read a book and play a video game while doing it.

You and Loogy ought to get a room - you are perfectly suited for each
other.

As I stated, I am not doing what *you* do with waypoints.

The truth is you aren't doing anything with waypoints in MapSource
because you don't own MapSource. We all get that, Hairless. Go play in
traffic.

Here you go, crap-for-brains -

My copy of Mapsource showing some of my waypoints:

http://tinyurl.com/3x42zw

And here's a snap of my Garmin 4208:

http://tinyurl.com/37yfl7

*snerk

How about a picture of the 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's funny, he's more than willing to prove with photo that he has a
little old GPS and Mapsource. He's also more than willing to prove he
has an LT Parker with photo. He's also willing to take photos of his
septic tank being fixed, his boat trailer, the marina he frequents,
his office area in his house, his new cabinets, etc. But he seems very
unwilling to take a picture of his lobster boat, his Yale degree, etc.
He also seems to not be able to dig up any record of his father's
trans-Atlantic venture that earned him a fireboat welcome in NY
harbor. Odd, huh?

Harbingers of Spring
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:13:27 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:58:17 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 14, 11:53 am, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:36:49 -0500, HK
wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:21:59 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Feb 14, 9:10 am, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:34:37 -0500, HK
wrote:
Saw a few spring birds out the yard this morning, so, cold
as it is, we
must be getting close to a seasonal change - I hope. Put out
some seed
for them in our backyard feeders - they gotta be hungry.
Dug my Garmin GPS out of its winter hiding place, took off
the dust
cover, and used my "accessory" two wire cord to plug it in
and then
logged onto Garmin's site to see if there was a software
update. There
was. Downloaded it, transferred it onto an SD card
and...voila! Now, if
warm weather would only get here.
The Garmin system software is fine, but I sure don't have
much good to
say about its "Mapsource" software to add waypoints and
suchlike from
your computer to the unit. It's klunky.
You must be doing it wrong, or trying to "guess" how to do it
without
bothering to read the manual. There's nothing particularly
clunky
about it.
I have no problems with mine, either.
It's VERY complicated!
select the "waypoint tool" which is the little green flag icon
in the
menu bar
click on the point where you want to create a waypoint.
a window pops up where you can name the waypoint, (requires
typing the
name)
select what icon it will use if other than default black square is
desired (drop down menu)
select what category or categories it will be listed in (check
boxes)
Optional: a "comment" if wanted and a few otther parameters.
Most of
the time, all you need to do is name it and select what
categories you
want it listed under.
Done.
Not quite.
Oh, yeah, you have to click on "Okay" after the above grueling and
tortuous procedure.

I have Mapsource open on my computer right now for reference. If I
missed something, please specify what it might be. I'm beginning to
suspect that you do not actually own a Garmin, but made a post based
on some ignorant magazine review written by someone with a skill set
similar to your own.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
My 12 year old likes to do my updates, waypoints etc. for me.
...and can probably read a book and play a video game while doing it.



You and Loogy ought to get a room - you are perfectly suited for
each other.

As I stated, I am not doing what *you* do with waypoints.

The truth is you aren't doing anything with waypoints in MapSource
because you don't own MapSource. We all get that, Hairless. Go play in
traffic.




Here you go, crap-for-brains -

My copy of Mapsource showing some of my waypoints:


http://tinyurl.com/3x42zw


And here's a snap of my Garmin 4208:

http://tinyurl.com/37yfl7


snerk



How about a picture of the 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat?


Is Skipper dead?

Harbingers of Spring
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:12:27 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:45:57 -0500, HK wrote:
I have Mapsource open on my computer right now for reference.
If I
missed something, please specify what it might be. I'm
beginning to
suspect that you do not actually own a Garmin, but made a
post based
on some ignorant magazine review written by someone with a
skill set
similar to your own.- Hide quoted text -


As I stated, I am not doing what *you* do with waypoints.
The truth is you aren't doing anything with waypoints in MapSource
because you don't own MapSource. We all get that, Hairless. Go
play in
traffic.


Here you go, crap-for-brains -

My copy of Mapsource showing some of my waypoints:


http://tinyurl.com/3x42zw


And here's a snap of my Garmin 4208:

http://tinyurl.com/37yfl7


snerk
You need a chartplotter to figure out where you are when your boat is
parked on the hard in the marina? Do you have a waypoint for that?
Bwahahahaha.

You still haven't explained, even in general terms what problem you
have entering waypoints, and why the instructions I posted don't
apply.

It's always a bit humorous to me when someone who isn't very bright,
someone like you, makes assumptions about what others are doing at a
particular moment, or how they are using a piece of gear.

No, crap-for-brains, I wasn't using the plotter to figure out where
I was on the day that photo was taken, *nor* was the boat parked at
a marina.

And you are right, I haven't explained the problem I had. I don't
intend to do so, either. The only aspect of it that was important
was that I was not doing with waypoints what you were doing.

I'm saving *this* bit from your post:

" The truth is you aren't doing anything with waypoints in MapSource
because you don't own MapSource. We all get that, Hairless. Go
play in traffic."

It's a perfect example of the sort of "scummery" that sadly has
taken over in rec.boats.


So, in other words, you admit have no idea what you are talking about,
and cannot support anything you claimed about setting waypoints in
Mapsource.
Got it!




Again, more scummery from crap-for-brains.

I know exactly what I was talking about in waypoints, and I can
easily support what I claimed.

I simply choose not to do so.

There is *no* requirement I do what *you* want here or, in fact,
anywhere else. You're nothing more than another "anonymous" rec.boats
a**hole.

"In other words" is the refuge you twerps frequently hide behind when
other posters won't do as you wish.

snerk


Can your support our claim to having a 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat?



Your claim? The only claim I can make for you is that you are dumb as a
post.

Harbingers of Spring
 

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:13:27 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:58:17 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 14, 11:53 am, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:36:49 -0500, HK
wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:21:59 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Feb 14, 9:10 am, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:34:37 -0500, HK
wrote:
Saw a few spring birds out the yard this morning, so, cold
as it is, we
must be getting close to a seasonal change - I hope. Put
out some seed
for them in our backyard feeders - they gotta be hungry.
Dug my Garmin GPS out of its winter hiding place, took off
the dust
cover, and used my "accessory" two wire cord to plug it in
and then
logged onto Garmin's site to see if there was a software
update. There
was. Downloaded it, transferred it onto an SD card
and...voila! Now, if
warm weather would only get here.
The Garmin system software is fine, but I sure don't have
much good to
say about its "Mapsource" software to add waypoints and
suchlike from
your computer to the unit. It's klunky.
You must be doing it wrong, or trying to "guess" how to do
it without
bothering to read the manual. There's nothing particularly
clunky
about it.
I have no problems with mine, either.
It's VERY complicated!
select the "waypoint tool" which is the little green flag icon
in the
menu bar
click on the point where you want to create a waypoint.
a window pops up where you can name the waypoint, (requires
typing the
name)
select what icon it will use if other than default black
square is
desired (drop down menu)
select what category or categories it will be listed in (check
boxes)
Optional: a "comment" if wanted and a few otther parameters.
Most of
the time, all you need to do is name it and select what
categories you
want it listed under.
Done.
Not quite.
Oh, yeah, you have to click on "Okay" after the above grueling and
tortuous procedure.

I have Mapsource open on my computer right now for reference. If I
missed something, please specify what it might be. I'm beginning to
suspect that you do not actually own a Garmin, but made a post
based
on some ignorant magazine review written by someone with a skill
set
similar to your own.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
My 12 year old likes to do my updates, waypoints etc. for me.
...and can probably read a book and play a video game while doing it.



You and Loogy ought to get a room - you are perfectly suited for
each other.

As I stated, I am not doing what *you* do with waypoints.

The truth is you aren't doing anything with waypoints in MapSource
because you don't own MapSource. We all get that, Hairless. Go play in
traffic.




Here you go, crap-for-brains -

My copy of Mapsource showing some of my waypoints:


http://tinyurl.com/3x42zw


And here's a snap of my Garmin 4208:

http://tinyurl.com/37yfl7


snerk



How about a picture of the 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat?


Is Skipper dead?

You tell me Mr. Dossier On Everyone.

Why don't you tell us what you did to Skipper?

Harbingers of Spring
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:13:27 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:58:17 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Feb 14, 11:53 am, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:36:49 -0500, HK
wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 06:21:59 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
On Feb 14, 9:10 am, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:34:37 -0500, HK
wrote:
Saw a few spring birds out the yard this morning, so, cold as
it is, we
must be getting close to a seasonal change - I hope. Put out
some seed
for them in our backyard feeders - they gotta be hungry.
Dug my Garmin GPS out of its winter hiding place, took off the
dust
cover, and used my "accessory" two wire cord to plug it in and
then
logged onto Garmin's site to see if there was a software
update. There
was. Downloaded it, transferred it onto an SD card
and...voila! Now, if
warm weather would only get here.
The Garmin system software is fine, but I sure don't have much
good to
say about its "Mapsource" software to add waypoints and
suchlike from
your computer to the unit. It's klunky.
You must be doing it wrong, or trying to "guess" how to do it
without
bothering to read the manual. There's nothing particularly
clunky
about it.
I have no problems with mine, either.
It's VERY complicated!
select the "waypoint tool" which is the little green flag icon in
the
menu bar
click on the point where you want to create a waypoint.
a window pops up where you can name the waypoint, (requires
typing the
name)
select what icon it will use if other than default black square
is
desired (drop down menu)
select what category or categories it will be listed in (check
boxes)
Optional: a "comment" if wanted and a few otther parameters. Most
of
the time, all you need to do is name it and select what
categories you
want it listed under.
Done.
Not quite.
Oh, yeah, you have to click on "Okay" after the above grueling and
tortuous procedure.

I have Mapsource open on my computer right now for reference. If I
missed something, please specify what it might be. I'm beginning to
suspect that you do not actually own a Garmin, but made a post
based
on some ignorant magazine review written by someone with a skill
set
similar to your own.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
My 12 year old likes to do my updates, waypoints etc. for me.
...and can probably read a book and play a video game while doing it.



You and Loogy ought to get a room - you are perfectly suited for each
other.

As I stated, I am not doing what *you* do with waypoints.

The truth is you aren't doing anything with waypoints in MapSource
because you don't own MapSource. We all get that, Hairless. Go play in
traffic.




Here you go, crap-for-brains -

My copy of Mapsource showing some of my waypoints:


http://tinyurl.com/3x42zw


And here's a snap of my Garmin 4208:

http://tinyurl.com/37yfl7


snerk



How about a picture of the 36' Zimmerman like Lobsta' boat?


Is Skipper dead?
Who knows. But you did try your best to drive him off the deep end. Good
work monkey turd.

Harbingers of Spring