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[email protected] February 8th 08 02:24 PM

Our Great Department of Defense
 
Now, John, I know that somehow you'll try to defend this, but it's
just freakin' crazy. The gist is that the DoD fined this company 1.9
million, only to hire them AGAIN with an 16 to 27 million contract!!!

DoD Cover-Up Alleged Over Military Helmet Fine

Kevlar manufacturer in North Dakota was making underweighted helmets

Only fined $1.9 million for making 2 million defective helmets for US
military in Iraq

New York Post
February 04, 2008
and posted on Military.com

Two whistleblowers claim that a $1.9 million fine leveled against
their former bosses - who allegedly underweighted the bulletproof
material in combat helmets to save money - is too measly and part of a
Pentagon cover-up.

Jeff Kenner and Tamara Elshaug, who worked at the Sioux Manufacturing
Corp. in North Dakota, had charged that their company was involved in
the "underweaving" of the bulletproof fabric in more than 2 million
"P.A.S.G.T." helmets handed out to National Guardsmen, Army Soldiers
and Navy Sailors across the country.

With the help of Long Island lawyer Andrew Campanelli, the pair sued
on behalf of the government, and each received $200,000.

The company - which has denied the allegations and said no U.S.
Soldier was ever injured or killed as a result of the alleged
underweaving - also was fined $1.9 million.

"The Department of Justice really did a good job, but I feel the
Department of Defense is trying to cover up things," Kenner said,
charging that the $1.9 million fine was less than the company had
saved on shorting the Kevlar bulletproofing material in the helmets.

"Any time there's less Kevlar, there's less protection. The American
people should know about this. It's just greedy people - it's all
about money to them [the company]," Kenner said.

Despite the problems with shorting the lifesaving material, the
Pentagon awarded a new $16 million to $72 million Kevlar helmet
contract to the same firm, before the lawsuit was settled, said an
incredulous Campanelli.

Campanelli said that, before the settlement last month, someone fired
three bullets into Elshaug's mobile home. One bullet pierced her stall
shower but no one was injured. No arrest was made.

"It has the earmarks of a cover-up," the lawyer said of the shooting.

U.S. Attorney David Peterson said, "The matter was looked into, and a
settlement was ultimately reached."

He declined to comment further

Almost as bad as Bush hiring Halliburton.

[email protected] February 8th 08 02:28 PM

Our great boating weather..
 
It's like 30's here today, I want to move down south but dad wants to
stay here so I will hang out for a while;)

D.Duck[_2_] February 8th 08 02:33 PM

Our great boating weather..
 

wrote in message
...
It's like 30's here today, I want to move down south but dad wants to
stay here so I will hang out for a while;)


Mid 70s here in Central Florida today, I'm heading for the golf course.

BTW, come on down, but don't stay to long. :-)



John H.[_3_] February 8th 08 02:38 PM

Our Great Department of Defense
 
It's 42 F outside right now. Might go out and rake up all the **** that's
fallen from the trees in the last month or two.

Definitely not boating weather.

Actually, it would be a great day to crank up Turbo Tax and see how much
money I get to give the Treasurer.
--
John H

[email protected] February 8th 08 02:46 PM

Our great boating weather..
 
On Feb 8, 9:28*am, wrote:
It's like 30's here today, I want to move down south but dad wants to
stay here so I will hang out for a while;)


I'm going crappie fishing tomorrow, take the boat out for the first
time in two months. I normally go every couple of weeks in the winter,
but haven't had time this year.

Tim February 8th 08 02:58 PM

Our Great Department of Defense
 
Sounds like lunacy to me too, but I'd like to hear Souix Mfg. side of
the story too...

wrote:
Now, John, I know that somehow you'll try to defend this, but it's
just freakin' crazy. The gist is that the DoD fined this company 1.9
million, only to hire them AGAIN with an 16 to 27 million contract!!!

DoD Cover-Up Alleged Over Military Helmet Fine

Kevlar manufacturer in North Dakota was making underweighted helmets

Only fined $1.9 million for making 2 million defective helmets for US
military in Iraq

New York Post
February 04, 2008
and posted on Military.com

Two whistleblowers claim that a $1.9 million fine leveled against
their former bosses - who allegedly underweighted the bulletproof
material in combat helmets to save money - is too measly and part of a
Pentagon cover-up.

Jeff Kenner and Tamara Elshaug, who worked at the Sioux Manufacturing
Corp. in North Dakota, had charged that their company was involved in
the "underweaving" of the bulletproof fabric in more than 2 million
"P.A.S.G.T." helmets handed out to National Guardsmen, Army Soldiers
and Navy Sailors across the country.

With the help of Long Island lawyer Andrew Campanelli, the pair sued
on behalf of the government, and each received $200,000.

The company - which has denied the allegations and said no U.S.
Soldier was ever injured or killed as a result of the alleged
underweaving - also was fined $1.9 million.

"The Department of Justice really did a good job, but I feel the
Department of Defense is trying to cover up things," Kenner said,
charging that the $1.9 million fine was less than the company had
saved on shorting the Kevlar bulletproofing material in the helmets.

"Any time there's less Kevlar, there's less protection. The American
people should know about this. It's just greedy people - it's all
about money to them [the company]," Kenner said.

Despite the problems with shorting the lifesaving material, the
Pentagon awarded a new $16 million to $72 million Kevlar helmet
contract to the same firm, before the lawsuit was settled, said an
incredulous Campanelli.

Campanelli said that, before the settlement last month, someone fired
three bullets into Elshaug's mobile home. One bullet pierced her stall
shower but no one was injured. No arrest was made.

"It has the earmarks of a cover-up," the lawyer said of the shooting.

U.S. Attorney David Peterson said, "The matter was looked into, and a
settlement was ultimately reached."

He declined to comment further

Almost as bad as Bush hiring Halliburton.


Don White February 8th 08 03:36 PM

Our Great Department of Defense
 

wrote in message
...
Now, John, I know that somehow you'll try to defend this, but it's
just freakin' crazy. The gist is that the DoD fined this company 1.9
million, only to hire them AGAIN with an 16 to 27 million contract!!!

DoD Cover-Up Alleged Over Military Helmet Fine

Kevlar manufacturer in North Dakota was making underweighted helmets

Only fined $1.9 million for making 2 million defective helmets for US
military in Iraq

New York Post
February 04, 2008
and posted on Military.com

Two whistleblowers claim that a $1.9 million fine leveled against
their former bosses - who allegedly underweighted the bulletproof
material in combat helmets to save money - is too measly and part of a
Pentagon cover-up.

Jeff Kenner and Tamara Elshaug, who worked at the Sioux Manufacturing
Corp. in North Dakota, had charged that their company was involved in
the "underweaving" of the bulletproof fabric in more than 2 million
"P.A.S.G.T." helmets handed out to National Guardsmen, Army Soldiers
and Navy Sailors across the country.

With the help of Long Island lawyer Andrew Campanelli, the pair sued
on behalf of the government, and each received $200,000.

The company - which has denied the allegations and said no U.S.
Soldier was ever injured or killed as a result of the alleged
underweaving - also was fined $1.9 million.

"The Department of Justice really did a good job, but I feel the
Department of Defense is trying to cover up things," Kenner said,
charging that the $1.9 million fine was less than the company had
saved on shorting the Kevlar bulletproofing material in the helmets.

"Any time there's less Kevlar, there's less protection. The American
people should know about this. It's just greedy people - it's all
about money to them [the company]," Kenner said.

Despite the problems with shorting the lifesaving material, the
Pentagon awarded a new $16 million to $72 million Kevlar helmet
contract to the same firm, before the lawsuit was settled, said an
incredulous Campanelli.

Campanelli said that, before the settlement last month, someone fired
three bullets into Elshaug's mobile home. One bullet pierced her stall
shower but no one was injured. No arrest was made.

"It has the earmarks of a cover-up," the lawyer said of the shooting.

U.S. Attorney David Peterson said, "The matter was looked into, and a
settlement was ultimately reached."

He declined to comment further

Almost as bad as Bush hiring Halliburton.



Company exec. should be tried as traitors.



[email protected] February 8th 08 04:04 PM

Our Great Department of Defense
 
On Feb 8, 10:57*am, "John" wrote:
wrote in message

...





Now, John, I know that somehow you'll try to defend this, but it's
just freakin' crazy. The gist is that the DoD fined this company 1.9
million, only to hire them AGAIN with an 16 to 27 million contract!!!


DoD Cover-Up Alleged Over Military Helmet Fine


Kevlar manufacturer in North Dakota was making underweighted helmets


Only fined $1.9 million for making 2 million defective helmets for US
military in Iraq


New York Post
February 04, 2008
and posted on Military.com


Two whistleblowers claim that a $1.9 million fine leveled against
their former bosses - who allegedly underweighted the bulletproof
material in combat helmets to save money - is too measly and part of a
Pentagon cover-up.


Jeff Kenner and Tamara Elshaug, who worked at the Sioux Manufacturing
Corp. in North Dakota, had charged that their company was involved in
the "underweaving" of the bulletproof fabric in more than 2 million
"P.A.S.G.T." helmets handed out to National Guardsmen, Army Soldiers
and Navy Sailors across the country.


With the help of Long Island lawyer Andrew Campanelli, the pair sued
on behalf of the government, and each received $200,000.


The company - which has denied the allegations and said no U.S.
Soldier was ever injured or killed as a result of the alleged
underweaving - also was fined $1.9 million.


"The Department of Justice really did a good job, but I feel the
Department of Defense is trying to cover up things," Kenner said,
charging that the $1.9 million fine was less than the company had
saved on shorting the Kevlar bulletproofing material in the helmets.


"Any time there's less Kevlar, there's less protection. The American
people should know about this. It's just greedy people - it's all
about money to them [the company]," Kenner said.


Despite the problems with shorting the lifesaving material, the
Pentagon awarded a new $16 million to $72 million Kevlar helmet
contract to the same firm, before the lawsuit was settled, said an
incredulous Campanelli.


Campanelli said that, before the settlement last month, someone fired
three bullets into Elshaug's mobile home. One bullet pierced her stall
shower but no one was injured. No arrest was made.


"It has the earmarks of a cover-up," the lawyer said of the shooting.


U.S. Attorney David Peterson said, "The matter was looked into, and a
settlement was ultimately reached."


He declined to comment further


Almost as bad as Bush hiring Halliburton.


Happens all the time - Neil Bush CONVICTED in the S&L scandal, estimated
take 5 million, he received a fine for $500,000 - pretty good take.....
Where is Neil now - why he has a no-bid contract through this
administration.....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Yes, I agree, this administration has spend untold billions of dollars
on wortheless no bid contracts.

[email protected] February 8th 08 04:05 PM

Our Great Department of Defense
 
On Feb 8, 9:58*am, Tim wrote:
Sounds like lunacy to me too, but I'd like to hear Souix Mfg. side of
the story too...



wrote:
Now, John, I know that somehow you'll try to defend this, but it's
just freakin' crazy. The gist is that the DoD fined this company 1.9
million, only to hire them AGAIN with an 16 to 27 million contract!!!


DoD Cover-Up Alleged Over Military Helmet Fine


Kevlar manufacturer in North Dakota was making underweighted helmets


Only fined $1.9 million for making 2 million defective helmets for US
military in Iraq


New York Post
February 04, 2008
and posted on Military.com


Two whistleblowers claim that a $1.9 million fine leveled against
their former bosses - who allegedly underweighted the bulletproof
material in combat helmets to save money - is too measly and part of a
Pentagon cover-up.


Jeff Kenner and Tamara Elshaug, who worked at the Sioux Manufacturing
Corp. in North Dakota, had charged that their company was involved in
the "underweaving" of the bulletproof fabric in more than 2 million
"P.A.S.G.T." helmets handed out to National Guardsmen, Army Soldiers
and Navy Sailors across the country.


With the help of Long Island lawyer Andrew Campanelli, the pair sued
on behalf of the government, and each received $200,000.


The company - which has denied the allegations and said no U.S.
Soldier was ever injured or killed as a result of the alleged
underweaving - also was fined $1.9 million.


"The Department of Justice really did a good job, but I feel the
Department of Defense is trying to cover up things," Kenner said,
charging that the $1.9 million fine was less than the company had
saved on shorting the Kevlar bulletproofing material in the helmets.


"Any time there's less Kevlar, there's less protection. The American
people should know about this. It's just greedy people - it's all
about money to them [the company]," Kenner said.


Despite the problems with shorting the lifesaving material, the
Pentagon awarded a new $16 million to $72 million Kevlar helmet
contract to the same firm, before the lawsuit was settled, said an
incredulous Campanelli.


Campanelli said that, before the settlement last month, someone fired
three bullets into Elshaug's mobile home. One bullet pierced her stall
shower but no one was injured. No arrest was made.


"It has the earmarks of a cover-up," the lawyer said of the shooting.


U.S. Attorney David Peterson said, "The matter was looked into, and a
settlement was ultimately reached."


He declined to comment further


Almost as bad as Bush hiring Halliburton.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


There is none. Their execs won't comment. Not much to say, there was
less Kevlar, they didn't meet the milspecs, they were less protective.

Tim February 8th 08 04:29 PM

Our Great Department of Defense
 


wrote:
On Feb 8, 9:58?am, Tim wrote:
Sounds like lunacy to me too, but I'd like to hear Souix Mfg. side of
the story too...



wrote:
Now, John, I know that somehow you'll try to defend this, but it's
just freakin' crazy. The gist is that the DoD fined this company 1.9
million, only to hire them AGAIN with an 16 to 27 million contract!!!


DoD Cover-Up Alleged Over Military Helmet Fine


Kevlar manufacturer in North Dakota was making underweighted helmets


Only fined $1.9 million for making 2 million defective helmets for US
military in Iraq


New York Post
February 04, 2008
and posted on Military.com


Two whistleblowers claim that a $1.9 million fine leveled against
their former bosses - who allegedly underweighted the bulletproof
material in combat helmets to save money - is too measly and part of a
Pentagon cover-up.


Jeff Kenner and Tamara Elshaug, who worked at the Sioux Manufacturing
Corp. in North Dakota, had charged that their company was involved in
the "underweaving" of the bulletproof fabric in more than 2 million
"P.A.S.G.T." helmets handed out to National Guardsmen, Army Soldiers
and Navy Sailors across the country.


With the help of Long Island lawyer Andrew Campanelli, the pair sued
on behalf of the government, and each received $200,000.


The company - which has denied the allegations and said no U.S.
Soldier was ever injured or killed as a result of the alleged
underweaving - also was fined $1.9 million.


"The Department of Justice really did a good job, but I feel the
Department of Defense is trying to cover up things," Kenner said,
charging that the $1.9 million fine was less than the company had
saved on shorting the Kevlar bulletproofing material in the helmets.


"Any time there's less Kevlar, there's less protection. The American
people should know about this. It's just greedy people - it's all
about money to them [the company]," Kenner said.


Despite the problems with shorting the lifesaving material, the
Pentagon awarded a new $16 million to $72 million Kevlar helmet
contract to the same firm, before the lawsuit was settled, said an
incredulous Campanelli.


Campanelli said that, before the settlement last month, someone fired
three bullets into Elshaug's mobile home. One bullet pierced her stall
shower but no one was injured. No arrest was made.


"It has the earmarks of a cover-up," the lawyer said of the shooting.


U.S. Attorney David Peterson said, "The matter was looked into, and a
settlement was ultimately reached."


He declined to comment further


Almost as bad as Bush hiring Halliburton.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


There is none. Their execs won't comment. Not much to say, there was
less Kevlar, they didn't meet the milspecs, they were less protective.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for Souix mfg. But in all
fairness they'll have to talk sooner or later. If for better or
worse, i wouldn't comment either unless I had a good legal advisory
team . And sounds to me like they are rightly doing so.

John H.[_3_] February 8th 08 07:34 PM

Our Great Department of Defense
 
Got some of the raking done on this beautiful Friday afternoon, but the
neck gave out.

Fifty-two lovely degrees here this afternoon.

Sure wish it would rain in NC. Does anyone know anything about New Bern?
--
John H

Calif Bill February 9th 08 06:35 AM

Our great boating weather..
 

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
It's like 30's here today, I want to move down south but dad wants to
stay here so I will hang out for a while;)


Mid 70s here in Central Florida today, I'm heading for the golf course.

BTW, come on down, but don't stay to long. :-)


Took the boat up to the welder in Yuba City today. New lifting strakes.
Leave it there while I take a little trip. Be finished when I return.




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