Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab
 

I was going through Marysville today, so I dropped around the Pacific
Boats office and confirmed the following with the very nice folks
there.

They do sell boats to Black Lab. The boats they sell are fully
assembled, but Black Lab will do some custom touches upon request and
also accessorizes and commissions the boats in a more "East Coast"
manner.

Apparently Black Lab is a very small operation, so if you contact the
company you will be dealing with the owner. He is described by Pacific
Boats as a "great guy to do business with".

Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab
 

On Feb 6, 8:37*pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

also accessorizes and commissions the boats in a more "East Coast"
manner.


East coast manner? Honestly, I've never heard of such.

Chuck, can you fill me in on what you're meaning?

Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:41�pm, Tim wrote:
On Feb 6, 8:37�pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

also accessorizes and commissions the boats in a more "East Coast"
manner.
East coast manner? Honestly, I've never heard of such.

Chuck, can you fill me in on what you're meaning?

Well, among other things I have often been told that on the E coast
more boaters prefer aluminum hardware and fittings. Out west, we tend
to use stainless for everything. I'm sure there are other differences
as well, but maybe the commissioning is more regionally centric than
applicable to the entire E cosat.


Aluminum hardware and fittings? Maybe on an aluminum boat.

Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:41?pm, Tim wrote:
On Feb 6, 8:37?pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

also accessorizes and commissions the boats in a more "East Coast"
manner.
East coast manner? Honestly, I've never heard of such.

Chuck, can you fill me in on what you're meaning?

Well, among other things I have often been told that on the E coast
more boaters prefer aluminum hardware and fittings. Out west, we tend
to use stainless for everything. I'm sure there are other differences
as well, but maybe the commissioning is more regionally centric than
applicable to the entire E cosat.


Aluminum hardware and fittings? Maybe on an aluminum boat.

Hardware here is usually a quality stainless steel unless on a dinghy

Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab
 

On Feb 7, 2:59Â*am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:41�pm, Tim wrote:
On Feb 6, 8:37�pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

also accessorizes and commissions the boats in a more "East Coast"
manner.
East coast manner? Honestly, I've never heard of such.

Chuck, can you fill me in on what you're meaning?

Well, among other things I have often been told that on the E coast
more boaters prefer aluminum hardware and fittings. Out west, we tend
to use stainless for everything. I'm sure there are other differences
as well, but maybe the commissioning is more regionally centric than
applicable to the entire E cosat.

Aluminum hardware and fittings? Maybe on an aluminum boat.


Oh, oh. Better tell these three companies that there is no market for
their products......

http://www.topsntowers.com/

http://www.fishingboatsunlimited.com.../aluminum.html

http://www.atlantictowers.com/at_sub/T-Tops.html


Then there's this modest little boat, offered with an aluminum bow
rail.
An aluminum bow rail would be very rare on the W Coast.

http://www.rampageyachts.com/boat_41_ex.shtml

Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab
 

On Feb 7, 7:13�am, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...





Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:41?pm, Tim wrote:
On Feb 6, 8:37?pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

also accessorizes and commissions the boats in a more "East Coast"
manner.
East coast manner? Honestly, I've never heard of such.

Chuck, can you fill me in on what you're meaning?

Well, among other things I have often been told that on the E coast
more boaters prefer aluminum hardware and fittings. Out west, we tend
to use stainless for everything. I'm sure there are other differences
as well, but maybe the commissioning is more regionally centric than
applicable to the entire E cosat.

Aluminum hardware and fittings? Maybe on an aluminum boat.

Hardware here is usually a quality stainless steel unless on a dinghy- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

See response to Harry.

One obvious difference I should have mentioned, but didn't, is that
along the E coast you guys like to build towers on your boats. They
are almost unheard of on the W coast. Those towers are quite often
made of aluminum.

One of the boats I recently wrote up for the magazine comes in both an
E Coast and a W Coast version. The support for the hardtop and the
deck rails are aluminum back east, but stainless our west.

Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
...


One obvious difference I should have mentioned, but didn't, is that
along the E coast you guys like to build towers on your boats. They
are almost unheard of on the W coast. Those towers are quite often
made of aluminum.
---------------------------------

Although aluminum is used, most that I've seen are stainless.

-----------------------------------

One of the boats I recently wrote up for the magazine comes in both an
E Coast and a W Coast version. The support for the hardtop and the
deck rails are aluminum back east, but stainless our west.
---------------------------------

My limited knowledge of metallurgy suggests that aluminum and stainless can
react (electrolysis) unless careful attention is used to physically insulate
them from each other.

In a salt water environment I think I'd rather have aluminum supports on an
aluminum boat and stainless on a fiberglass boat.

Eisboch

Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab
 

On Feb 7, 11:32Â*am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 7, 2:59Â*am, HK wrote:





Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:41�pm, Tim wrote:
On Feb 6, 8:37�pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

also accessorizes and commissions the boats in a more "East Coast"
manner.
East coast manner? Honestly, I've never heard of such.

Chuck, can you fill me in on what you're meaning?

Well, among other things I have often been told that on the E coast
more boaters prefer aluminum hardware and fittings. Out west, we tend
to use stainless for everything. I'm sure there are other differences
as well, but maybe the commissioning is more regionally centric than
applicable to the entire E cosat.

Aluminum hardware and fittings? Maybe on an aluminum boat.

Oh, oh. Better tell these three companies that there is no market for
their products......

http://www.topsntowers.com/

http://www.fishingboatsunlimited.com.../aluminum.html

http://www.atlantictowers.com/at_sub/T-Tops.html

Then there's this modest little boat, offered with an aluminum bow
rail.
An aluminum bow rail would be very rare on the W Coast.

http://www.rampageyachts.com/boat_41_ex.shtml- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You seem surprised we have those tall towers out here. Simple
explanation, we have big waves out here, we like to see over them;)

Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab
 

On Feb 7, 8:50Â*am, wrote:
On Feb 7, 11:32Â*am, Chuck Gould wrote:





On Feb 7, 2:59Â*am, HK wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:41�pm, Tim wrote:
On Feb 6, 8:37�pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

also accessorizes and commissions the boats in a more "East Coast"
manner.
East coast manner? Honestly, I've never heard of such.

Chuck, can you fill me in on what you're meaning?

Well, among other things I have often been told that on the E coast
more boaters prefer aluminum hardware and fittings. Out west, we tend
to use stainless for everything. I'm sure there are other differences
as well, but maybe the commissioning is more regionally centric than
applicable to the entire E cosat.

Aluminum hardware and fittings? Maybe on an aluminum boat.

Oh, oh. Better tell these three companies that there is no market for
their products......

http://www.topsntowers.com/

http://www.fishingboatsunlimited.com.../aluminum.html

http://www.atlantictowers.com/at_sub/T-Tops.html

Then there's this modest little boat, offered with an aluminum bow
rail.
An aluminum bow rail would be very rare on the W Coast.

http://www.rampageyachts.com/boat_41_ex.shtml-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You seem surprised we have those tall towers out here. Simple
explanation, we have big waves out here, we like to see over them;)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I always thought those towers were for looking down into the water.
All that additional weight and higher COG are worse than useless in
big waves. Last place to add a couple of hundred pounds of weight
(person) in a blow would be that far above the WL- or so I would
think. We have no experience in boats with "towers" out here. We need
to keep the COG closer to the WL.

Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab
 

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 7, 2:59 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:41�pm, Tim wrote:
On Feb 6, 8:37�pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
also accessorizes and commissions the boats in a more "East Coast"
manner.
East coast manner? Honestly, I've never heard of such.
Chuck, can you fill me in on what you're meaning?
Well, among other things I have often been told that on the E coast
more boaters prefer aluminum hardware and fittings. Out west, we tend
to use stainless for everything. I'm sure there are other differences
as well, but maybe the commissioning is more regionally centric than
applicable to the entire E cosat.
Aluminum hardware and fittings? Maybe on an aluminum boat.


Oh, oh. Better tell these three companies that there is no market for
their products......

http://www.topsntowers.com/

http://www.fishingboatsunlimited.com.../aluminum.html

http://www.atlantictowers.com/at_sub/T-Tops.html


Then there's this modest little boat, offered with an aluminum bow
rail.
An aluminum bow rail would be very rare on the W Coast.

http://www.rampageyachts.com/boat_41_ex.shtml


Anecdotal. Visit any marina around here, and you'll find the preferred
material for hardware and fittings is stainless.

Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab
 

On Feb 7, 12:07Â*pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 7, 8:50Â*am, wrote:





On Feb 7, 11:32Â*am, Chuck Gould wrote:

On Feb 7, 2:59Â*am, HK wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:41�pm, Tim wrote:
On Feb 6, 8:37�pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

also accessorizes and commissions the boats in a more "East Coast"
manner.
East coast manner? Honestly, I've never heard of such.

Chuck, can you fill me in on what you're meaning?

Well, among other things I have often been told that on the E coast
more boaters prefer aluminum hardware and fittings. Out west, we tend
to use stainless for everything. I'm sure there are other differences
as well, but maybe the commissioning is more regionally centric than
applicable to the entire E cosat.

Aluminum hardware and fittings? Maybe on an aluminum boat.

Oh, oh. Better tell these three companies that there is no market for
their products......

http://www.topsntowers.com/

http://www.fishingboatsunlimited.com.../aluminum.html

http://www.atlantictowers.com/at_sub/T-Tops.html

Then there's this modest little boat, offered with an aluminum bow
rail.
An aluminum bow rail would be very rare on the W Coast.

http://www.rampageyachts.com/boat_41...tml-Hidequoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You seem surprised we have those tall towers out here. Simple
explanation, we have big waves out here, we like to see over them;)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I always thought those towers were for looking down into the water.
All that additional weight and higher COG are worse than useless in
big waves. Last place to add a couple of hundred pounds of weight
(person) in a blow would be that far above the WL- or so I would
think. We have no experience in boats with "towers" out here. We need
to keep the COG closer to the WL.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have no experience with them either of course, but my thinking has
always been the same as yours.. Last place to put all that wieght is
way up there in the snot.. Maybe Harry will chime in here, I am
sure he has experience with some of the taller towers, in the worst
conditions, with a cutout so low the bottom feeders could swim right
in, . .(but no water of course)... but with all the best supporting
electronics and good old salty knowledge, all by himself but with
support boats nearby;)

Sorry Harry, couldn't resist

Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab
 

On Feb 7, 12:14Â*pm, wrote:
On Feb 7, 12:07Â*pm, Chuck Gould wrote:





On Feb 7, 8:50Â*am, wrote:

On Feb 7, 11:32Â*am, Chuck Gould wrote:

On Feb 7, 2:59Â*am, HK wrote:

Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:41�pm, Tim wrote:
On Feb 6, 8:37�pm, Chuck Gould wrote:

also accessorizes and commissions the boats in a more "East Coast"
manner.
East coast manner? Honestly, I've never heard of such.

Chuck, can you fill me in on what you're meaning?

Well, among other things I have often been told that on the E coast
more boaters prefer aluminum hardware and fittings. Out west, we tend
to use stainless for everything. I'm sure there are other differences
as well, but maybe the commissioning is more regionally centric than
applicable to the entire E cosat.

Aluminum hardware and fittings? Maybe on an aluminum boat.

Oh, oh. Better tell these three companies that there is no market for
their products......

http://www.topsntowers.com/

http://www.fishingboatsunlimited.com.../aluminum.html

http://www.atlantictowers.com/at_sub/T-Tops.html

Then there's this modest little boat, offered with an aluminum bow
rail.
An aluminum bow rail would be very rare on the W Coast.

http://www.rampageyachts.com/boat_41...Hidequotedtext -

- Show quoted text -

You seem surprised we have those tall towers out here. Simple
explanation, we have big waves out here, we like to see over them;)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I always thought those towers were for looking down into the water.
All that additional weight and higher COG are worse than useless in
big waves. Last place to add a couple of hundred pounds of weight
(person) in a blow would be that far above the WL- or so I would
think. We have no experience in boats with "towers" out here. We need
to keep the COG closer to the WL.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have no experience with them either of course, but my thinking has
always been the same as yours.. Last place to put all that wieght is
way up there in the snot.. Â* Â*Maybe Harry will chime in here, I am
sure he has experience with some of the taller towers, in the worst
conditions, with a cutout so low the bottom feeders could swim right
in, . .(but no water of course)... but with all the best supporting
electronics and good old salty knowledge, all by himself but with
support boats nearby;)

Sorry Harry, couldn't resist- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, forgot to mention, the support boats were crewed only with
beautiful supermodels in bikini's...;)

Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab
 

On Feb 7, 9:12Â*am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 7, 2:59 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:41�pm, Tim wrote:
On Feb 6, 8:37�pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
also accessorizes and commissions the boats in a more "East Coast"
manner.
East coast manner? Honestly, I've never heard of such.
Chuck, can you fill me in on what you're meaning?
Well, among other things I have often been told that on the E coast
more boaters prefer aluminum hardware and fittings. Out west, we tend
to use stainless for everything. I'm sure there are other differences
as well, but maybe the commissioning is more regionally centric than
applicable to the entire E cosat.
Aluminum hardware and fittings? Maybe on an aluminum boat.

Oh, oh. Better tell these three companies that there is no market for
their products......

http://www.topsntowers.com/

http://www.fishingboatsunlimited.com.../aluminum.html

http://www.atlantictowers.com/at_sub/T-Tops.html

Then there's this modest little boat, offered with an aluminum bow
rail.
An aluminum bow rail would be very rare on the W Coast.

http://www.rampageyachts.com/boat_41_ex.shtml

Anecdotal. Visit any marina around here, and you'll find the preferred
material for hardware and fittings is stainless.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Rampage isn't anecdotal, it's a specific example.
As are the other links provided. You will see aluminum fittings on
boats of all hull types if you follow the links.

I can see the advantages of aluminum for a tower. We just don't have
towers on the W coast.

But I will gladly accept your word that based on personal obsdrvation
the majority of hardware and fittings in marinas in your area is
stainless.

Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab
 

wrote:
On Feb 7, 12:07 pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 7, 8:50 am, wrote:





On Feb 7, 11:32 am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 7, 2:59 am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
On Feb 6, 6:41�pm, Tim wrote:
On Feb 6, 8:37�pm, Chuck Gould wrote:
also accessorizes and commissions the boats in a more "East Coast"
manner.
East coast manner? Honestly, I've never heard of such.
Chuck, can you fill me in on what you're meaning?
Well, among other things I have often been told that on the E coast
more boaters prefer aluminum hardware and fittings. Out west, we tend
to use stainless for everything. I'm sure there are other differences
as well, but maybe the commissioning is more regionally centric than
applicable to the entire E cosat.
Aluminum hardware and fittings? Maybe on an aluminum boat.
Oh, oh. Better tell these three companies that there is no market for
their products......
http://www.topsntowers.com/
http://www.fishingboatsunlimited.com.../aluminum.html
http://www.atlantictowers.com/at_sub/T-Tops.html
Then there's this modest little boat, offered with an aluminum bow
rail.
An aluminum bow rail would be very rare on the W Coast.
http://www.rampageyachts.com/boat_41...tml-Hidequoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You seem surprised we have those tall towers out here. Simple
explanation, we have big waves out here, we like to see over them;)- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I always thought those towers were for looking down into the water.
All that additional weight and higher COG are worse than useless in
big waves. Last place to add a couple of hundred pounds of weight
(person) in a blow would be that far above the WL- or so I would
think. We have no experience in boats with "towers" out here. We need
to keep the COG closer to the WL.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I have no experience with them either of course, but my thinking has
always been the same as yours.. Last place to put all that wieght is
way up there in the snot.. Maybe Harry will chime in here, I am
sure he has experience with some of the taller towers, in the worst
conditions, with a cutout so low the bottom feeders could swim right
in, . .(but no water of course)... but with all the best supporting
electronics and good old salty knowledge, all by himself but with
support boats nearby;)

Sorry Harry, couldn't resist



Tuna towers can be built of either stainless or aluminum. Most of the
ones I have seen are built of stainless, but I have seen aluminum
towers. On a boat large enough to support a real tower, the "weight"
isn't that significant, but sometimes "windage" is.

I don't like the towers myself. Been up in one or two, and got right
back down.

Yo, Shortwave, Black Lab