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... On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:46:25 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:39:50 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:22:28 -0500, BAR wrote: snipped Salty, you've got to admit you keep dodging the question. -- John H Do you think that if salty hasn't got the details of the proposed mission, then it cannot be done, even by people who DO know how to do it? http://freedemocracy.blogspot.com/20...den-still.html This is the kind of stuff you believe (from your source): "...President Musharraf has helped create a quiet mountain retreat, a veritable terrorism spa, for Osama and Ayman al-Zawahiri to refresh themselves and get back in shape." One can only wonder where that stupid cow gets her intelligence. No one asked Salty for details, just an idea. Dowd has a great idea, drop in a team of Rangers or SEALs. That sounds cool. Is that what you'd do? Is that what Salty would do? -- John H OBL worked out of that exact region while he was involved with fighting the Russians. So, you're right. Musharraf did NOT create the comfy retreat. It already existed. This is a fact. The situation remains the same to this day. As far as how to capture him, if he's still there, that's not my job. I would be guessing and you would pick apart my ideas if I designated the wrong kind of boots for the soldiers, even though you would also be guessing. But, our military knew how. Unfortunately, a mission was cancelled in 2005 due to concerns about annoying Musharraf. It was aimed at one of OBL's big shots, but also have nabbed him. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/08/wa...=1&oref=slogin July 8, 2007 U.S. Aborted Raid on Qaeda Chiefs in Pakistan in '05 By MARK MAZZETTI WASHINGTON, July 7 - A secret military operation in early 2005 to capture senior members of Al Qaeda in Pakistan's tribal areas was aborted at the last minute after top Bush administration officials decided it was too risky and could jeopardize relations with Pakistan, according to intelligence and military officials. The target was a meeting of Qaeda leaders that intelligence officials thought included Ayman al-Zawahri, Osama bin Laden's top deputy and the man believed to run the terrorist group's operations. But the mission was called off after Donald H. Rumsfeld, then the defense secretary, rejected an 11th-hour appeal by Porter J. Goss, then the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, officials said. Members of a Navy Seals unit in parachute gear had already boarded C-130 cargo planes in Afghanistan when the mission was canceled, said a former senior intelligence official involved in the planning. Mr. Rumsfeld decided that the operation, which had ballooned from a small number of military personnel and C.I.A. operatives to several hundred, was cumbersome and put too many American lives at risk, the current and former officials said. He was also concerned that it could cause a rift with Pakistan, an often reluctant ally that has barred the American military from operating in its tribal areas, the officials said. The decision to halt the planned "snatch and grab" operation frustrated some top intelligence officials and members of the military's secret Special Operations units, who say the United States missed a significant opportunity to try to capture senior members of Al Qaeda. Their frustration has only grown over the past two years, they said, as Al Qaeda has improved its abilities to plan global attacks and build new training compounds in Pakistan's tribal areas, which have become virtual havens for the terrorist network. In recent months, the White House has become increasingly irritated with Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, for his inaction on the growing threat of the Taliban and Al Qaeda. About a dozen current and former military and intelligence officials were interviewed for this article, all of whom requested anonymity because the planned 2005 mission remained classified. Spokesmen for the Pentagon, the C.I.A. and the White House declined to comment. It is unclear whether President Bush was informed about the planned operation. The officials acknowledge that they are not certain that Mr. Zawahri attended the 2005 meeting in North Waziristan, a mountainous province just miles from the Afghan border. But they said that the United States had communications intercepts that tipped them off to the meeting, and that intelligence officials had unusually high confidence that Mr. Zawahri was there. |
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:27:13 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . No one asked Salty for details, just an idea. Dowd has a great idea, drop in a team of Rangers or SEALs. That sounds cool. Is that what you'd do? Is that what Salty would do? -- John H OBL worked out of that exact region while he was involved with fighting the Russians. So, you're right. Musharraf did NOT create the comfy retreat. It already existed. This is a fact. The situation remains the same to this day. As far as how to capture him, if he's still there, that's not my job. I would be guessing and you would pick apart my ideas if I designated the wrong kind of boots for the soldiers, even though you would also be guessing. But, our military knew how. Unfortunately, a mission was cancelled in 2005 due to concerns about annoying Musharraf. It was aimed at one of OBL's big shots, but also have nabbed him. Cancelled because the SecDef had enough sense not to invade the country of an ally, especially given how wrong intelligence had been in the past. You're the same guy that says we should have paid no attention to the intelligence from Iraq. Jeees, wake up. -- Red Herring |
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... On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:27:13 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. No one asked Salty for details, just an idea. Dowd has a great idea, drop in a team of Rangers or SEALs. That sounds cool. Is that what you'd do? Is that what Salty would do? -- John H OBL worked out of that exact region while he was involved with fighting the Russians. So, you're right. Musharraf did NOT create the comfy retreat. It already existed. This is a fact. The situation remains the same to this day. As far as how to capture him, if he's still there, that's not my job. I would be guessing and you would pick apart my ideas if I designated the wrong kind of boots for the soldiers, even though you would also be guessing. But, our military knew how. Unfortunately, a mission was cancelled in 2005 due to concerns about annoying Musharraf. It was aimed at one of OBL's big shots, but also have nabbed him. Cancelled because the SecDef had enough sense not to invade the country of an ally, especially given how wrong intelligence had been in the past. You're the same guy that says we should have paid no attention to the intelligence from Iraq. I wonder why it got so close to the "go" stage. Why did they waste their time? Pakistan has been a so-called "ally" since the 1970s, when we paid them to build nuclear weapons. Their status didn't suddenly become news to Rumsfeld and others in 2005. |
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... On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:41:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:27:13 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... No one asked Salty for details, just an idea. Dowd has a great idea, drop in a team of Rangers or SEALs. That sounds cool. Is that what you'd do? Is that what Salty would do? -- John H OBL worked out of that exact region while he was involved with fighting the Russians. So, you're right. Musharraf did NOT create the comfy retreat. It already existed. This is a fact. The situation remains the same to this day. As far as how to capture him, if he's still there, that's not my job. I would be guessing and you would pick apart my ideas if I designated the wrong kind of boots for the soldiers, even though you would also be guessing. But, our military knew how. Unfortunately, a mission was cancelled in 2005 due to concerns about annoying Musharraf. It was aimed at one of OBL's big shots, but also have nabbed him. Cancelled because the SecDef had enough sense not to invade the country of an ally, especially given how wrong intelligence had been in the past. You're the same guy that says we should have paid no attention to the intelligence from Iraq. Jeees, wake up. If Pakistan was truly an ally, then they would have invited us to go in and get Bin Laden. They might have even provided additional troops and equipment for the missio. That's what friends are for. If they wouldn't let us in, then they are not an ally, but a nation harboring terrorists. BIG difference. They did let us in at one point, and where I saw this was sort of interesting: Discovery Channel's "Planet Earth" show. Their team had to temporarily postpone their search for snow leopards because they crossed paths with our troops, who ordered them out of the area for a while. |
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:43:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:27:13 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... No one asked Salty for details, just an idea. Dowd has a great idea, drop in a team of Rangers or SEALs. That sounds cool. Is that what you'd do? Is that what Salty would do? -- John H OBL worked out of that exact region while he was involved with fighting the Russians. So, you're right. Musharraf did NOT create the comfy retreat. It already existed. This is a fact. The situation remains the same to this day. As far as how to capture him, if he's still there, that's not my job. I would be guessing and you would pick apart my ideas if I designated the wrong kind of boots for the soldiers, even though you would also be guessing. But, our military knew how. Unfortunately, a mission was cancelled in 2005 due to concerns about annoying Musharraf. It was aimed at one of OBL's big shots, but also have nabbed him. Cancelled because the SecDef had enough sense not to invade the country of an ally, especially given how wrong intelligence had been in the past. You're the same guy that says we should have paid no attention to the intelligence from Iraq. I wonder why it got so close to the "go" stage. Why did they waste their time? Pakistan has been a so-called "ally" since the 1970s, when we paid them to build nuclear weapons. Their status didn't suddenly become news to Rumsfeld and others in 2005. One likes to be prepared to execute when seeking the SecDef's approval. -- Red Herring |
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... On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:43:00 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:27:13 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H." wrote in message m... No one asked Salty for details, just an idea. Dowd has a great idea, drop in a team of Rangers or SEALs. That sounds cool. Is that what you'd do? Is that what Salty would do? -- John H OBL worked out of that exact region while he was involved with fighting the Russians. So, you're right. Musharraf did NOT create the comfy retreat. It already existed. This is a fact. The situation remains the same to this day. As far as how to capture him, if he's still there, that's not my job. I would be guessing and you would pick apart my ideas if I designated the wrong kind of boots for the soldiers, even though you would also be guessing. But, our military knew how. Unfortunately, a mission was cancelled in 2005 due to concerns about annoying Musharraf. It was aimed at one of OBL's big shots, but also have nabbed him. Cancelled because the SecDef had enough sense not to invade the country of an ally, especially given how wrong intelligence had been in the past. You're the same guy that says we should have paid no attention to the intelligence from Iraq. I wonder why it got so close to the "go" stage. Why did they waste their time? Pakistan has been a so-called "ally" since the 1970s, when we paid them to build nuclear weapons. Their status didn't suddenly become news to Rumsfeld and others in 2005. One likes to be prepared to execute when seeking the SecDef's approval. -- Red Herring Rumsfeld had been involved with Pakistan for almost 20 years before that. You think he only realized at the last minute that there was no way he could touch them? |
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On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:00:04 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:37:06 -0500, John H. wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:09:42 GMT, wrote: On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:26:21 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:31:41 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:44:11 -0500, John H. wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:39:50 -0500, wrote: Salty, you've got to admit you keep dodging the question. I admit no such thing. I think perhaps your nickname should be, "Red Herring" Good idea, but you've yet to answer the question. Perhaps you should change your nickname to Doug Kanter? Have you stopped beating your mother? She died. So you have stopped beating her? She's buried, so beating her would be rough. -- Red Herring |
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