On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:53:16 -0500, DownTime
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:39:03 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:10:13 GMT, Apu Nahasapeemapetilon
wrote:

"In a fierce counterattack, Ms. Clinton has tried to prick the
ballooning support for Mr. Obama, conceding he is "a truly
inspirational speaker" but adding he has "not done the kind of spade
work" to back up the promises."

Spade work?
I still say the "N" word will be out there soon if Obama keeps beating
her.

Nah - but if I were Obama, I'd make a wooden stake and buy a truckload
of garlic. Also if I were Obama, I'd check the bus brakes every time I
got on, not eat anything from sources I couldn't vouch for, avoid
balconies and buy a bomb sniffing dog.

I would also watch the movie "The Omen" for other ways that I might
come to grief.

That's what I would do if I were Obama. :)

I find it truly unfortunate and a sad commentary on our society that
he'd have to be concerned with that scenario. Not that I don't agree
with you to a degree, but haven't we evolved any?

I was joking - I don't actually think that.

I do understand your larger point though and you're right.

I had noticed and then thought during his very first election speech,
"hey, this guy is different than the rest". The color of his skin means
nothing to his qualifications, but I'm thinking the majority of the USA
is not quite ready for him. I am more concerned with what I had been
reading relating to his Muslim background than the color of his skin.

I'm concerned about the whole Democratic field actually. The only one
who had what I would consider "experience" was Bill Richardson and now
that he's out, there really isn't anybody I could vote for. I'm very
afraid of a class warfare scenario if either Hillary or Obama is
selected for the national campaign.

On the other hand, there's only one Republican that I consider
Presidential and he doens't have a prayer unfortunetely - well maybe a
prayer, but it doesn't seem likely.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:53:16 -0500, DownTime
wrote:
I'm concerned about the whole Democratic field actually. The only one
who had what I would consider "experience" was Bill Richardson and now
that he's out, there really isn't anybody I could vote for. I'm very
afraid of a class warfare scenario if either Hillary or Obama is
selected for the national campaign.

On the other hand, there's only one Republican that I consider
Presidential and he doens't have a prayer unfortunetely - well maybe a
prayer, but it doesn't seem likely.

The saddest part of this entire political process is I suspect most
voters tend to look at the candidates from the angle of "Who do I
despise the least?" When it comes down to the choices, it's more about
the lesser of two evils. I've thought many times that the most qualified
people for the position want NOTHING to do with the job.

I do not fully believe either side in its entirety, but each has some
valid points and action plans.

DownTime wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:53:16 -0500, DownTime
wrote:
I'm concerned about the whole Democratic field actually. The only one
who had what I would consider "experience" was Bill Richardson and now
that he's out, there really isn't anybody I could vote for. I'm very
afraid of a class warfare scenario if either Hillary or Obama is
selected for the national campaign.

On the other hand, there's only one Republican that I consider
Presidential and he doens't have a prayer unfortunetely - well maybe a
prayer, but it doesn't seem likely.

The saddest part of this entire political process is I suspect most
voters tend to look at the candidates from the angle of "Who do I
despise the least?" When it comes down to the choices, it's more about
the lesser of two evils. I've thought many times that the most qualified
people for the position want NOTHING to do with the job.

I do not fully believe either side in its entirety, but each has some
valid points and action plans.


I'm not touting him, but I haven't run across any rational adults who
despise Barack Obama. I don't associate with black-hating whites, so I
don't know what their thoughts are and don't care, either.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:56:11 -0500, HK wrote:

I'm not touting him, but I haven't run across any rational adults who
despise Barack Obama. I don't associate with black-hating whites, so I
don't know what their thoughts are and don't care, either.

You haven't been talking to rank and file Democrats either I suspect.

It has nothing to do with race - it has everything to do substance and
a lot of the Union types along with the average Democrats that I know
don't see anything from either of the two front runners that will
cause them to not look elsewhere.

This could be the year for a solid third party candidate with money to
make a real splash nationally.

Unfortunately, that's Bloomberg and that's not a great choice either.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:56:11 -0500, HK wrote:

I'm not touting him, but I haven't run across any rational adults who
despise Barack Obama. I don't associate with black-hating whites, so I
don't know what their thoughts are and don't care, either.

You haven't been talking to rank and file Democrats either I suspect.

It has nothing to do with race - it has everything to do substance and
a lot of the Union types along with the average Democrats that I know
don't see anything from either of the two front runners that will
cause them to not look elsewhere.

This could be the year for a solid third party candidate with money to
make a real splash nationally.

Unfortunately, that's Bloomberg and that's not a great choice either.


Well, if it isn't "race," why would the people you are discussing
"despise" Barack Obama? They don't even know him or at this point, even
very much about him.

I talk to "rank and file" Democrats several times a week, mostly "blue
collar" rank and file Democrats. Factory workers, construction workers,
janitors, you know, actual working people.

Either Hillary or Obama will be the next president. If Hillary gets the
nod, she'd be smart to choose Obama as her running mate, or if not
Obama, Richardson.

Bush has poisoned the well for Republicans this year. Combine that with
the lack of quality in the GOP frontrunners and you have an electoral
disaster on your hands. A well-deserved one.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:37:00 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:56:11 -0500, HK wrote:

I'm not touting him, but I haven't run across any rational adults who
despise Barack Obama. I don't associate with black-hating whites, so I
don't know what their thoughts are and don't care, either.

You haven't been talking to rank and file Democrats either I suspect.

It has nothing to do with race - it has everything to do substance and
a lot of the Union types along with the average Democrats that I know
don't see anything from either of the two front runners that will
cause them to not look elsewhere.

This could be the year for a solid third party candidate with money to
make a real splash nationally.

Unfortunately, that's Bloomberg and that's not a great choice either.


Well, if it isn't "race," why would the people you are discussing
"despise" Barack Obama? They don't even know him or at this point, even
very much about him.

I can't speak to others - only what I hear from friends and others in
conversation, but it's not race - it's more a question of "where did
he come from" and "what can he do".

And that's the real point - who is he? He's a first term US Senator
who has spent all of his time in government or NGO work as an
attorney. What specifically qualifies him to be President? He's a
cypher politically building a campaign on etheral feel good politics.

I talk to "rank and file" Democrats several times a week, mostly "blue
collar" rank and file Democrats. Factory workers, construction workers,
janitors, you know, actual working people.

Um...

Never mind.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:37:00 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:56:11 -0500, HK wrote:

I'm not touting him, but I haven't run across any rational adults who
despise Barack Obama. I don't associate with black-hating whites, so I
don't know what their thoughts are and don't care, either.
You haven't been talking to rank and file Democrats either I suspect.

It has nothing to do with race - it has everything to do substance and
a lot of the Union types along with the average Democrats that I know
don't see anything from either of the two front runners that will
cause them to not look elsewhere.

This could be the year for a solid third party candidate with money to
make a real splash nationally.

Unfortunately, that's Bloomberg and that's not a great choice either.

Well, if it isn't "race," why would the people you are discussing
"despise" Barack Obama? They don't even know him or at this point, even
very much about him.

I can't speak to others - only what I hear from friends and others in
conversation, but it's not race - it's more a question of "where did
he come from" and "what can he do".

And that's the real point - who is he? He's a first term US Senator
who has spent all of his time in government or NGO work as an
attorney. What specifically qualifies him to be President? He's a
cypher politically building a campaign on etheral feel good politics.


Indeed. He is a first term US Senator, with limited national experience,
although I believe he is on the foreign relations committee.

The only person on the "other side" with a decent resume is John McCain.

Huckabee? He's made one foreign policy statement blunder after
another. Simpleton.
Romney? No foreign policy knowledge. He admitted that.
Guiliani No foreign policy experience. Damaged goods.
Thompson Dead.
Paul Loonitarian.
Hunter Who?


McCain would be tough if he got the nod. Don't believe he will.

Bloomberg? Well, he has the money to waste but he's not electable.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:14:12 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Unfortunately, that's Bloomberg and that's not a great choice either.

You might be surprised. I like him better than any of the candidates
that are actually running so far. Unfortunately his somewhat nasal NY
accent will not play well many places but he is a very intelligent guy
with pretty decent leadership ability. Best of all he is not beholden
to any particular special interest group that I'm aware of.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:49:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:14:12 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Unfortunately, that's Bloomberg and that's not a great choice either.

You might be surprised. I like him better than any of the candidates
that are actually running so far. Unfortunately his somewhat nasal NY
accent will not play well many places but he is a very intelligent guy
with pretty decent leadership ability. Best of all he is not beholden
to any particular special interest group that I'm aware of.

I'm sure he's intelligent and he appears to have leadership ability -
then again, to what end?

My main concern about Bloomberg is his potential to be a nannystater
based on his record in NYC banning this, that and the other thing
which all should be personal choices.

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:49:19 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:14:12 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Unfortunately, that's Bloomberg and that's not a great choice either.
You might be surprised. I like him better than any of the candidates
that are actually running so far. Unfortunately his somewhat nasal NY
accent will not play well many places but he is a very intelligent guy
with pretty decent leadership ability. Best of all he is not beholden
to any particular special interest group that I'm aware of.

I'm sure he's intelligent and he appears to have leadership ability -
then again, to what end?

My main concern about Bloomberg is his potential to be a nannystater
based on his record in NYC banning this, that and the other thing
which all should be personal choices.


Bloomberg is Jewish. That plays well in the civilized world, including
Dublin, Ireland, but not too well in the most red of red states and
among the wealthier suburban Republicans.

The Democrats are too hungry to vote for a third party candidate.