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I never considered myself to be "Yacht Club" material being basically
a well educated redneck. However, I do belong to such a club that is
very informal being a "Yacht Club" in name only. I have heard that
some of the older members want ti to be an exclusive organization open
only to a certain class of people but have never heard this expressed
openly. Around here, there would be no market for such an
organization. I want the club to become more open to younger people
who cannot afford to own boats or maybe they own a trailer boat.
Recently, the club obtained an older small 22' boat and it was fixed
up for club members use and I thought this would be a great tool to
attract such younger people. A new guy came along with no sailign
experience so I volunteered to take him out on it. He is younger but
not that young, works for govt in a capacity where you would expect
him to have leftist tendencies. So, we went sailing, almost no wind
but we both became familiar with the boat that was also new to me.
Not knowing him, I steered clear of any topics of conversation that
might cause problems such as politics or religion. He did not take
such care.
He discussed Chavez in Venezuela defending him and said that he
thought he recent voting there on allowing Chavez to be Pres for life
was "Stolen just like the 2000 US election". I shrugged and said
nothing but I was very disappointed in him. I considered this to be a
serious lapse of judgement on his part, bringing up such a volatile
issue when he has no idea of my politics. Considering this judgement
problem and that he had no idea of how to tie a bowline made me wonder
how he could even consider being a cruising sailor.
Now, the issue that had me pondering and that will get me flamed. Do
lefties simply lack good judgement on such a socio/political issue as
bringing up politics in such a situation (I have been in similar
situations involving lefties)? IS it POSSIBLE that the old fogies in
the club are right about social class and wanting to exclude such
persons due to poor judgement? It is possible that I am simply very
disappointed in this guy that I am drawing wrong conclusions.


That's the beauty of living in a larger community.
We have numerous clubs/squadrons here to appeal to every taste & budget.
The richer folk tend to belong to the most expensive club, while the working
class have a choice of three or four clubs.
A couple would fit in-between.

Yacht clubs, social class and leftists
 

I never considered myself to be "Yacht Club" material being basically
a well educated redneck. However, I do belong to such a club that is
very informal being a "Yacht Club" in name only. I have heard that
some of the older members want ti to be an exclusive organization open
only to a certain class of people but have never heard this expressed
openly. Around here, there would be no market for such an
organization. I want the club to become more open to younger people
who cannot afford to own boats or maybe they own a trailer boat.
Recently, the club obtained an older small 22' boat and it was fixed
up for club members use and I thought this would be a great tool to
attract such younger people. A new guy came along with no sailign
experience so I volunteered to take him out on it. He is younger but
not that young, works for govt in a capacity where you would expect
him to have leftist tendencies. So, we went sailing, almost no wind
but we both became familiar with the boat that was also new to me.
Not knowing him, I steered clear of any topics of conversation that
might cause problems such as politics or religion. He did not take
such care.
He discussed Chavez in Venezuela defending him and said that he
thought he recent voting there on allowing Chavez to be Pres for life
was "Stolen just like the 2000 US election". I shrugged and said
nothing but I was very disappointed in him. I considered this to be a
serious lapse of judgement on his part, bringing up such a volatile
issue when he has no idea of my politics. Considering this judgement
problem and that he had no idea of how to tie a bowline made me wonder
how he could even consider being a cruising sailor.
Now, the issue that had me pondering and that will get me flamed. Do
lefties simply lack good judgement on such a socio/political issue as
bringing up politics in such a situation (I have been in similar
situations involving lefties)? IS it POSSIBLE that the old fogies in
the club are right about social class and wanting to exclude such
persons due to poor judgement? It is possible that I am simply very
disappointed in this guy that I am drawing wrong conclusions.

Yacht clubs, social class and leftists
 

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:14:14 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

It is possible that I am simply very
disappointed in this guy that I am drawing wrong conclusions.

Or is it possible you are just trolling for a political discussion in
a boating newsgroup?

Yacht clubs, social class and leftists
 

On Jan 7, 8:49 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:14:14 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

It is possible that I am simply very
disappointed in this guy that I am drawing wrong conclusions.

Or is it possible you are just trolling for a political discussion in
a boating newsgroup?

No, fill in your topic of choice and the result would be the same.

Yacht clubs, social class and leftists
 

On Jan 7, 9:02 pm, wrote:
On Jan 7, 8:49 pm, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:14:14 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

It is possible that I am simply very
disappointed in this guy that I am drawing wrong conclusions.

Or is it possible you are just trolling for a political discussion in
a boating newsgroup?

No, fill in your topic of choice and the result would be the same.

Perhaps you think I am jumping on lefties. However, these seem to be
the people who have done this when I have noticed. Maybe righties do
it too and I do not notice but I cannot remember such.

Yacht clubs, social class and leftists
 

On Jan 7, 9:30 pm, WaIIy wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:14:14 -0800 (PST), wrote:
Now, the issue that had me pondering and that will get me flamed. Do
lefties simply lack good judgement on such a socio/political issue as
bringing up politics in such a situation (I have been in similar
situations involving lefties)? IS it POSSIBLE that the old fogies in
the club are right about social class and wanting to exclude such
persons due to poor judgement? It is possible that I am simply very
disappointed in this guy that I am drawing wrong conclusions.

You're correct.

They think they are on a mission and you had better not differ with
them.

They will stamp and stammer, but not be able to produce a coherent
debate.

Is the tendency to do this a function of social class. Lefties
(around here but prob not in most places) tend to be a lower social
class so might not "get" the social prohibition against such a
discussion in such circumstance. HOWEVER, I dont see most local low
class rednecks (I assume they are righties) doing it.

Yacht clubs, social class and leftists
 

On Jan 7, 7:14*pm, wrote:
I never considered myself to be "Yacht Club" material being basically
a well educated redneck. *However, I do belong to such a club that is
very informal being a "Yacht Club" in name only. *I have heard that
some of the older members want ti to be an exclusive organization open
only to a certain class of people but have never heard this expressed
openly. *Around here, there would be no market for such an
organization. *I want the club to become more open to younger people
who cannot afford to own boats or maybe they own a trailer boat.
Recently, the club obtained an older small 22' boat and it was fixed
up for club members use and I thought this would be a great tool to
attract such younger people. *A new guy came along with no sailign
experience so I volunteered to take him out on it. He is younger but
not that young, works for govt in a capacity where you would expect
him to have leftist tendencies. *So, we went sailing, almost no wind
but we both became familiar with the boat that was also new to me.
Not knowing him, I steered clear of any topics of conversation that
might cause problems such as politics or religion. *He did not take
such care.
He discussed Chavez in Venezuela defending him and said that he
thought he recent voting there on allowing Chavez to be Pres for life
was "Stolen just like the 2000 US election". *I shrugged and said
nothing but I was very disappointed in him. *I considered this to be a
serious lapse of judgement on his part, bringing up such a volatile
issue when he has no idea of my politics. *Considering this judgement
problem and that he had no idea of how to tie a bowline made me wonder
how he could even consider being a cruising sailor.
Now, the issue that had me pondering and that will *get me flamed. *Do
lefties simply lack good judgement on such a socio/political issue as
bringing up politics in such a situation (I have been in similar
situations involving lefties)? *IS it POSSIBLE that the old fogies in
the club are right about social class and wanting to exclude such
persons due to poor judgement? *It is possible that I am simply very
disappointed in this guy that I am drawing wrong conclusions.

On M*A*S*H, col. Potter would call this "horse-hockey!"

Yacht clubs, social class and leftists
 

Tim wrote:
On Jan 7, 7:14 pm, wrote:
I never considered myself to be "Yacht Club" material being basically
a well educated redneck. However, I do belong to such a club that is
very informal being a "Yacht Club" in name only. I have heard that
some of the older members want ti to be an exclusive organization open
only to a certain class of people but have never heard this expressed
openly. Around here, there would be no market for such an
organization. I want the club to become more open to younger people
who cannot afford to own boats or maybe they own a trailer boat.
Recently, the club obtained an older small 22' boat and it was fixed
up for club members use and I thought this would be a great tool to
attract such younger people. A new guy came along with no sailign
experience so I volunteered to take him out on it. He is younger but
not that young, works for govt in a capacity where you would expect
him to have leftist tendencies. So, we went sailing, almost no wind
but we both became familiar with the boat that was also new to me.
Not knowing him, I steered clear of any topics of conversation that
might cause problems such as politics or religion. He did not take
such care.
He discussed Chavez in Venezuela defending him and said that he
thought he recent voting there on allowing Chavez to be Pres for life
was "Stolen just like the 2000 US election". I shrugged and said
nothing but I was very disappointed in him. I considered this to be a
serious lapse of judgement on his part, bringing up such a volatile
issue when he has no idea of my politics. Considering this judgement
problem and that he had no idea of how to tie a bowline made me wonder
how he could even consider being a cruising sailor.
Now, the issue that had me pondering and that will get me flamed. Do
lefties simply lack good judgement on such a socio/political issue as
bringing up politics in such a situation (I have been in similar
situations involving lefties)? IS it POSSIBLE that the old fogies in
the club are right about social class and wanting to exclude such
persons due to poor judgement? It is possible that I am simply very
disappointed in this guy that I am drawing wrong conclusions.

On M*A*S*H, col. Potter would call this "horse-hockey!"


I'm confused. The original poster does not believe the 2000 U.S.
Election was stolen? Absurd.

Yacht clubs, social class and leftists
 

On Jan 7, 10:01*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jan 7, 7:14 pm, wrote:
I never considered myself to be "Yacht Club" material being basically
a well educated redneck. *However, I do belong to such a club that is
very informal being a "Yacht Club" in name only. *I have heard that
some of the older members want ti to be an exclusive organization open
only to a certain class of people but have never heard this expressed
openly. *Around here, there would be no market for such an
organization. *I want the club to become more open to younger people
who cannot afford to own boats or maybe they own a trailer boat.
Recently, the club obtained an older small 22' boat and it was fixed
up for club members use and I thought this would be a great tool to
attract such younger people. *A new guy came along with no sailign
experience so I volunteered to take him out on it. He is younger but
not that young, works for govt in a capacity where you would expect
him to have leftist tendencies. *So, we went sailing, almost no wind
but we both became familiar with the boat that was also new to me.
Not knowing him, I steered clear of any topics of conversation that
might cause problems such as politics or religion. *He did not take
such care.
He discussed Chavez in Venezuela defending him and said that he
thought he recent voting there on allowing Chavez to be Pres for life
was "Stolen just like the 2000 US election". *I shrugged and said
nothing but I was very disappointed in him. *I considered this to be a
serious lapse of judgement on his part, bringing up such a volatile
issue when he has no idea of my politics. *Considering this judgement
problem and that he had no idea of how to tie a bowline made me wonder
how he could even consider being a cruising sailor.
Now, the issue that had me pondering and that will *get me flamed. *Do
lefties simply lack good judgement on such a socio/political issue as
bringing up politics in such a situation (I have been in similar
situations involving lefties)? *IS it POSSIBLE that the old fogies in
the club are right about social class and wanting to exclude such
persons due to poor judgement? *It is possible that I am simply very
disappointed in this guy that I am drawing wrong conclusions.

On M*A*S*H, col. Potter would call this "horse-hockey!"

I'm confused. The original poster does not believe the 2000 U.S.
Election was stolen? Absurd.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, your lieing.... but we have come to expect that...

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"HK" wrote in message
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************SNIP*************
I'm confused. The original poster does not believe the 2000 U.S. Election
was stolen? Absurd.

This appears to be another ABSURD claim that the Supreme Court 'Stole' or
'Gave' the election to Bush.

I am sure you know this but, for the benefit of those who don't: The US
Supreme Court decision in the election
revolved around the question of could the FL Supreme Court change the
election requirements that the FL Legislature enacted.

The law had specific requirements of when results needed to be turned in.
When it became obvious that all the recounts could not be completed, the
Dems filed suit to change to a later date. The Fl Supreme Court agreed and
the US Supreme court overturned this decision.

IF the FL law was vague as to date requirements, then the FL Supreme Court
could interpret it but, since it was very clear, they could not re-write the
law.