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RG January 8th 08 04:11 AM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 

At my price point, I had the choice between a used D200 vs. a new D80.
The D200 is sooooo much better than the D80. I'm glad I went the way
I did. I got the used D200, a brand new 18-200 VR lens and a brand
new SB-600 speedlight for less than the cost of just a D300 body.


You have an awesome package that would serve just about anyone's needs for
years to come. My strategy is to use my D200 until there is a significant
price drop in the D300. Maybe that will happen by the end of the year,
maybe it won't. I don't much care. I just got an email a few weeks ago
from Nikon informing me that my 1-year warranty on the D200 was about to
expire. Nikon offered to extend the original factory warranty for an
additional two years for $169. I took them up on the offer. Even though
I've never had a hiccup from the D200 or the D70 before it, it seemed like a
reasonable deal. There is nothing that could be repaired on the D200 for
only $169, and it buys me plenty of time to eventually pull the D300
trigger. It's nice that I only need to buy the body. My lenses and
filters, the SB800, and other goodies still get to keep on working. In 2007
I dropped a little over $1k for a very nice tripod and ball head. It's made
a very noticeable improvement in my landscape work. I was never much of a
tripod guy, but I got tripod religion in 2007.

As another D200 shooter, I'll share with you another revelation that came to
me in 2007. Always shoot raw, and use Nikon Capture NX as your raw
converter and primary editor. It's a huge improvement over using Adobe
Camera Raw. Capture NX won't completely eliminate the need for PhotoShop or
similar, but it's the best place to start, and more often than not you'll
have no need to do any further editing in another application.



Steve January 8th 08 04:38 AM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:11:05 GMT, "RG" wrote:


At my price point, I had the choice between a used D200 vs. a new D80.
The D200 is sooooo much better than the D80. I'm glad I went the way
I did. I got the used D200, a brand new 18-200 VR lens and a brand
new SB-600 speedlight for less than the cost of just a D300 body.


You have an awesome package that would serve just about anyone's needs for
years to come. My strategy is to use my D200 until there is a significant
price drop in the D300. Maybe that will happen by the end of the year,
maybe it won't. I don't much care. I just got an email a few weeks ago


That's a good strategy. I'm sure the D300 price will drop as soon as
the next one in the series, I'm guessing a D400, comes out. Then
you'll see the same thing going on with the D300 that is going on now
with the D200. Of course, you'll probably want whatever new goodies
are in the D400. lol

[...]
filters, the SB800, and other goodies still get to keep on working. In 2007
I dropped a little over $1k for a very nice tripod and ball head. It's made
a very noticeable improvement in my landscape work. I was never much of a
tripod guy, but I got tripod religion in 2007.


A tripod is definitely a necessity for great landscape work.
Especially if you're going to stitch together multiple shots for a
panarama. I have a half decent tripod. No, not $1k, more like $100.
But it works for me.

As another D200 shooter, I'll share with you another revelation that came to
me in 2007. Always shoot raw, and use Nikon Capture NX as your raw
converter and primary editor. It's a huge improvement over using Adobe
Camera Raw. Capture NX won't completely eliminate the need for PhotoShop or
similar, but it's the best place to start, and more often than not you'll
have no need to do any further editing in another application.


If I was a pro I'd do that. I shoot some things in raw and some in
jpg. I use jpg most of the time but I'll shoot in raw if I'm in a
tough situation as far as white balance or exposure is concerned. It's
easier to adjust those things later when shooting in raw. I'll also
shoot raw if I think there's any chance of making large size prints,
like over 8x10. Otherwise, I shoot jpg normal.

For those shots in that New Hope slide show, everything was shot in
jpg normal except for some of the train photos which were raw and
converted.

Capture NX is pricey. I just use the free Nikon PictureProject for
basic raw editing and conversion It does all the things I normally
want to do, like adjust exposure, crop, etc. It uses the same
conversion engine as Capture NX. It just doesn't have all the bells
and whistles. If I want a little more capability for raw files, I use
RawShooter Essentials. When I want to do "photoshop type" editing, I
use PaintShopPro 9 because I already have that and it works well. It
only works in jpg though, not raw.

If you get the white balance correct with the camera, for anything
8x10 or less, I can't tell the difference between shooting in raw and
jpg. And there's absolutely no way you can tell the difference if
you're just looking to post pictures on a website. But the caveat is
you have to have the camera set up right for jpeg shooting. And for
that, here's a hint for you:

This may be why you're seeing a big difference between raw and jpg and
I'm not: go to Shooting Menu-JPEG Compression and change the file
compression from the default of Size Priority to Optimum Quality. For
some strange reason, Nikon thinks the default should be to make all
the jpeg images around the same size. If you have a bland scene with
no detail it will take up as many bytes as a complex detailed scene.
Of course, the complex detailed scene image quality will suffer. If
you change that option, pictures with little detail will make little
files and pictures with a lot of detail will make bigger files,
preserving the quality.

If you make that change and just shoot jpeg normal (not even fine)
quality, you'll have a hard time discerning the difference between raw
and jpeg.

Steve

John H.[_3_] January 8th 08 01:04 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:04:10 GMT, Steve wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:33:57 GMT, "RG" wrote:


I've been looking at the new E-3 anyway - good excuse to get one.


You owe it to yourself to give the new D300 a hard look. If I was shopping
today, that's where I'd go and never look back. It's that good. Camera of
the Year and deservedly so.


If you're on a budget, look on ebay for the ton of D200's that people
are offloading now because the D300 came out. You can pick up a D200
for 1/2 of what someone paid for it just a few months ago, and less
than 1/2 the price of a D300. And most of them are in pretty much
like new condition because the camera update cycle is so short.

Yes, the D300 is nice. But the little bit extra it gives you isn't
worth anywhere near over twice the going rate for a D200. Especially
if most of your photography isn't of indoor low light without a flash,
which is the only place the D300 really outpaces the D200.

Yes, I have a D200. And it's awesome. Mate it up with the 18-200 VR
zoom lens and you have the ultimate walk around camera.

Here's some shots I took last week with that combo on a little walk
around tour of New Hope, PA. I just bought it myself and these are
the first pictures I took. I'm looking forward to even better ones
once I really get to know the camera.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheliko...08607375/show/

Steve


Nice shots, Steve, especially the locomotive. I'm also a D200 owner, as are
several other folks here, and I love mine. I just sent my 18-200 VR back to
Nikon to get the auto-focus checked. But I like the outfit. I can think of
nothing that would make me trade up, unless I dropped mine walking down the
steps!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H.[_3_] January 8th 08 01:10 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:38:12 GMT, Steve wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:11:05 GMT, "RG" wrote:


At my price point, I had the choice between a used D200 vs. a new D80.
The D200 is sooooo much better than the D80. I'm glad I went the way
I did. I got the used D200, a brand new 18-200 VR lens and a brand
new SB-600 speedlight for less than the cost of just a D300 body.


You have an awesome package that would serve just about anyone's needs for
years to come. My strategy is to use my D200 until there is a significant
price drop in the D300. Maybe that will happen by the end of the year,
maybe it won't. I don't much care. I just got an email a few weeks ago


That's a good strategy. I'm sure the D300 price will drop as soon as
the next one in the series, I'm guessing a D400, comes out. Then
you'll see the same thing going on with the D300 that is going on now
with the D200. Of course, you'll probably want whatever new goodies
are in the D400. lol

[...]
filters, the SB800, and other goodies still get to keep on working. In 2007
I dropped a little over $1k for a very nice tripod and ball head. It's made
a very noticeable improvement in my landscape work. I was never much of a
tripod guy, but I got tripod religion in 2007.


A tripod is definitely a necessity for great landscape work.
Especially if you're going to stitch together multiple shots for a
panarama. I have a half decent tripod. No, not $1k, more like $100.
But it works for me.

As another D200 shooter, I'll share with you another revelation that came to
me in 2007. Always shoot raw, and use Nikon Capture NX as your raw
converter and primary editor. It's a huge improvement over using Adobe
Camera Raw. Capture NX won't completely eliminate the need for PhotoShop or
similar, but it's the best place to start, and more often than not you'll
have no need to do any further editing in another application.


If I was a pro I'd do that. I shoot some things in raw and some in
jpg. I use jpg most of the time but I'll shoot in raw if I'm in a
tough situation as far as white balance or exposure is concerned. It's
easier to adjust those things later when shooting in raw. I'll also
shoot raw if I think there's any chance of making large size prints,
like over 8x10. Otherwise, I shoot jpg normal.

For those shots in that New Hope slide show, everything was shot in
jpg normal except for some of the train photos which were raw and
converted.

Capture NX is pricey. I just use the free Nikon PictureProject for
basic raw editing and conversion It does all the things I normally
want to do, like adjust exposure, crop, etc. It uses the same
conversion engine as Capture NX. It just doesn't have all the bells
and whistles. If I want a little more capability for raw files, I use
RawShooter Essentials. When I want to do "photoshop type" editing, I
use PaintShopPro 9 because I already have that and it works well. It
only works in jpg though, not raw.

If you get the white balance correct with the camera, for anything
8x10 or less, I can't tell the difference between shooting in raw and
jpg. And there's absolutely no way you can tell the difference if
you're just looking to post pictures on a website. But the caveat is
you have to have the camera set up right for jpeg shooting. And for
that, here's a hint for you:

This may be why you're seeing a big difference between raw and jpg and
I'm not: go to Shooting Menu-JPEG Compression and change the file
compression from the default of Size Priority to Optimum Quality. For
some strange reason, Nikon thinks the default should be to make all
the jpeg images around the same size. If you have a bland scene with
no detail it will take up as many bytes as a complex detailed scene.
Of course, the complex detailed scene image quality will suffer. If
you change that option, pictures with little detail will make little
files and pictures with a lot of detail will make bigger files,
preserving the quality.

If you make that change and just shoot jpeg normal (not even fine)
quality, you'll have a hard time discerning the difference between raw
and jpeg.

Steve


Other than the limitation as to number of pictures on a card, which are
getting quite cheap, why would you not shoot everything in jpeg 'fine'. At
least then you can crop segments of the shot or the whole shot if you want.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Vic Smith January 8th 08 01:31 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:00:36 GMT, Steve wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:10:13 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:34:08 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Just got off the phone with Olympus.

The bill to repair my E-300, flat rate, is $310 plus 6% tax which
brings it to $328.60!!

Damn.

So much for that camera.


My daughter just told me she needs a film SLR, with wide/normal/tele
lenses, UV filter, etc, for a required college class. Has to have
manual ap/shutter/focus.
She's an ed major.
I guess I'm going to fix the shutter leather on my Minolta 102, or buy
a working body. I've got the rest.
But I am somewhat ****ed about this, because the last time I got the
sticking shutter fixed it cost $125 and only lasted maybe 100 frames.
That was at least ten years ago.
I was ready to go digital SLR, and you would think that a college
class would go that way.
They will do film processing, but you don't need an SLR for that.

[...]

You won't find many professionals using film anymore. Just the
specialized large format stuff. But the good thing about that is you
can find *tons* of really high quality 35mm SLR film cameras being
offloaded for cheap since no one wants that stuff anymore. Ebay and
Craigslist are your friend.

I was in WalMart the other day and saw a new Canon EOS Rebel 35mm film
SLR for about what it costs you to fix your sticking shutter. If you
want new, that would be perfect for her class. It has all the modes
you mentioned.

Good thoughts.
She'll need my lenses, which won't fit Canon. I'll go the used route.

--Vic

John H.[_3_] January 8th 08 01:49 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:19:51 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:10:00 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:38:12 GMT, Steve wrote:

If you make that change and just shoot jpeg normal (not even fine)
quality, you'll have a hard time discerning the difference between raw
and jpeg.

Steve


Other than the limitation as to number of pictures on a card, which are
getting quite cheap, why would you not shoot everything in jpeg 'fine'.



Speed.


Not an issue in the D200, unless he's operating in the hundredths of a
second. The think will shoot 5 frames per second in RAW mode!

BTW, my charger arrived. It's definitely computer controlled. The 'smart'
words appear on the box, but not on the charger itself. It seems to be
exactly what I'm looking for. Appreciate your help!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

RG January 8th 08 01:50 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 

Please don't forget me!

jherringatcoxdotnet


Check your inbox.



John H.[_3_] January 8th 08 02:32 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:50:28 GMT, "RG" wrote:


Please don't forget me!

jherringatcoxdotnet


Check your inbox.


Absolutely spectacular!

Now why didn't my pictures of Yellowstone and Oak Creek Canyon come out
like that?

You really need to take a trip to DC and capture the local scenery! Maybe
with Reggie during cherry blossom time?

Would it be possible to share that with a friend of mine in Holland? He's
been through a lot of that country by motorcycle, so he'd appreciate the
work tremendously.

Thanks for sharing that. Most cool!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

[email protected] January 8th 08 02:34 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 
On Jan 8, 8:50*am, "RG" wrote:
Please don't forget me!


jherringatcoxdotnet


Check your inbox.


Well, this has drawn quite a bit of interest, can I see??

Reginald P. Smithers III[_9_] January 8th 08 02:36 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 
wrote:
On Jan 8, 8:50 am, "RG" wrote:
Please don't forget me!
jherringatcoxdotnet

Check your inbox.


Well, this has drawn quite a bit of interest, can I see??

..
RG's landscape photos are as good as any I have seen in a coffee table
book. His photos are actually better than most published photos.

RG January 8th 08 02:38 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 


Absolutely spectacular!

Now why didn't my pictures of Yellowstone and Oak Creek Canyon come out
like that?

You really need to take a trip to DC and capture the local scenery! Maybe
with Reggie during cherry blossom time?


Been there, done it. I have a vey nice collection of DC shots. It's an
extremely photo-rich location. Unfortunately, my shots were taken quite a
number of years ago and reside on 35mm slides and some old prints of those
slides that are showing their years from fading. It's definitely a place
worth revisiting.



Would it be possible to share that with a friend of mine in Holland? He's
been through a lot of that country by motorcycle, so he'd appreciate the
work tremendously.


Sure. Go ahead and forward him the link. The link is only good for six
more days.


Thanks for sharing that. Most cool!
--


You're welcome.



[email protected] January 8th 08 02:41 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 
On Jan 8, 9:34*am, wrote:
On Jan 8, 8:50*am, "RG" wrote:

Please don't forget me!


jherringatcoxdotnet


Check your inbox.


Well, this has drawn quite a bit of interest, can I see??


sorry about the long email address. you could link me at:

sawdust @

smallboats

com

RG January 8th 08 02:46 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 

sorry about the long email address. you could link me at:

sawdust @

smallboats

com



Done.



Don White January 8th 08 02:50 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
snip...
But I like the outfit. I can think of
nothing that would make me trade up, unless I dropped mine walking down
the
steps!
--
John H



Yup...laugh it up at someone elses misfortune.
I imagine you'd be in hysterics if Tom had broken his neck.



Eisboch January 8th 08 03:21 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 

"RG" wrote in message
m...


Hate to be a pest, but I'd love to view your work if it's not too much
trouble to add another.

rerik (at) comcast (dot) net


TIA,
Eisboch



RG January 8th 08 03:33 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 

Hate to be a pest, but I'd love to view your work if it's not too much
trouble to add another.

rerik (at) comcast (dot) net




Done.



D.Duck January 8th 08 05:27 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 

wrote in message
...
On Jan 8, 8:50 am, "RG" wrote:
Please don't forget me!


jherringatcoxdotnet


Check your inbox.


Well, this has drawn quite a bit of interest, can I see??

Slight change of subject. I was perusing your small boat building web site
and I find it quite impressive. You should be very proud of the various
boats you have constructed.

Are you intentionally generating an intermittent, 1/2 second, "gurgle"
sound when the site is open? Before I go searching for what it is, please
enlighten me. From some of the posts of yours I've read here, it sounds
like some thing quirky you would do.

Thanks




Vic Smith January 8th 08 07:50 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:31:47 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:00:36 GMT, Steve wrote:

You won't find many professionals using film anymore. Just the
specialized large format stuff. But the good thing about that is you
can find *tons* of really high quality 35mm SLR film cameras being
offloaded for cheap since no one wants that stuff anymore. Ebay and
Craigslist are your friend.

I was in WalMart the other day and saw a new Canon EOS Rebel 35mm film
SLR for about what it costs you to fix your sticking shutter. If you
want new, that would be perfect for her class. It has all the modes
you mentioned.

Good thoughts.
She'll need my lenses, which won't fit Canon. I'll go the used route.

FYI, just bought a supposedly good X-700 on ebay for $68.00 total
cost. Came with a couple lenses, but will take mine too.
Thanks again for the advice. I had already started to look for a
repairman for my 102, but you sobered me up.

--Vic

Calif Bill January 8th 08 09:09 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:04:10 GMT, Steve wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:33:57 GMT, "RG" wrote:


I've been looking at the new E-3 anyway - good excuse to get one.

You owe it to yourself to give the new D300 a hard look. If I was
shopping
today, that's where I'd go and never look back. It's that good. Camera
of
the Year and deservedly so.


If you're on a budget, look on ebay for the ton of D200's that people
are offloading now because the D300 came out. You can pick up a D200
for 1/2 of what someone paid for it just a few months ago, and less
than 1/2 the price of a D300. And most of them are in pretty much
like new condition because the camera update cycle is so short.

Yes, the D300 is nice. But the little bit extra it gives you isn't
worth anywhere near over twice the going rate for a D200. Especially
if most of your photography isn't of indoor low light without a flash,
which is the only place the D300 really outpaces the D200.

Yes, I have a D200. And it's awesome. Mate it up with the 18-200 VR
zoom lens and you have the ultimate walk around camera.

Here's some shots I took last week with that combo on a little walk
around tour of New Hope, PA. I just bought it myself and these are
the first pictures I took. I'm looking forward to even better ones
once I really get to know the camera.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheliko...08607375/show/

Steve


Nice shots, Steve, especially the locomotive. I'm also a D200 owner, as
are
several other folks here, and I love mine. I just sent my 18-200 VR back
to
Nikon to get the auto-focus checked. But I like the outfit. I can think of
nothing that would make me trade up, unless I dropped mine walking down
the
steps!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


Looked at Craigs list for D200 prices. They have not dropped since the D300
came out. Actually most of the prices were very close to what a New York
mailorder camera store will sell for new.



Calif Bill January 8th 08 09:12 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 

"RG" wrote in message
m...


Absolutely spectacular!

Now why didn't my pictures of Yellowstone and Oak Creek Canyon come out
like that?

You really need to take a trip to DC and capture the local scenery! Maybe
with Reggie during cherry blossom time?


Been there, done it. I have a vey nice collection of DC shots. It's an
extremely photo-rich location. Unfortunately, my shots were taken quite a
number of years ago and reside on 35mm slides and some old prints of those
slides that are showing their years from fading. It's definitely a place
worth revisiting.



Would it be possible to share that with a friend of mine in Holland? He's
been through a lot of that country by motorcycle, so he'd appreciate the
work tremendously.


Sure. Go ahead and forward him the link. The link is only good for six
more days.


Thanks for sharing that. Most cool!
--


You're welcome.


Is there an easy way or reasonable way to transfer slides to CD? My dad
left lots of slides and quite a few of them I would like to transfer to CD.



John H.[_3_] January 8th 08 09:23 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:12:05 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"RG" wrote in message
om...


Absolutely spectacular!

Now why didn't my pictures of Yellowstone and Oak Creek Canyon come out
like that?

You really need to take a trip to DC and capture the local scenery! Maybe
with Reggie during cherry blossom time?


Been there, done it. I have a vey nice collection of DC shots. It's an
extremely photo-rich location. Unfortunately, my shots were taken quite a
number of years ago and reside on 35mm slides and some old prints of those
slides that are showing their years from fading. It's definitely a place
worth revisiting.



Would it be possible to share that with a friend of mine in Holland? He's
been through a lot of that country by motorcycle, so he'd appreciate the
work tremendously.


Sure. Go ahead and forward him the link. The link is only good for six
more days.


Thanks for sharing that. Most cool!
--


You're welcome.


Is there an easy way or reasonable way to transfer slides to CD? My dad
left lots of slides and quite a few of them I would like to transfer to CD.


This may help:

http://tinyurl.com/7bk24
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

RG January 8th 08 10:17 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 


Is there an easy way or reasonable way to transfer slides to CD? My dad
left lots of slides and quite a few of them I would like to transfer to
CD.


There are two ways to get it done. First is to buy or rent a quality slide
scanner such as the Nikon 5000 or equivalent and scan the slides yourself
into jpeg files to your computer's hard drive. A flatbed scanner isn't
going to get the job done with any level of quality. The files can then be
burned to CD or DVD. Unless you have a ****load of slides and like to do
this sort of thing, this is probably not the cost-effective or
time-effective way to do it. The other alternative is to take your slides
to a lab to have them scanned for a fee. They will scan your slides on
quality equipment (if you go to the right place) and burn them to CD or DVD
for you. If your slides need cleaned before scanning, they will do that for
a fee as well. Many photo print and processing labs will offer this
service, as well as the places that transfer video tape and film movies to
DVD. I'd hit the Yellow Pages and call a few local places to check prices
and at what resolution they will scan the slides.



[email protected] January 8th 08 11:21 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 
On Jan 8, 12:27*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 8, 8:50 am, "RG" wrote:

Please don't forget me!


jherringatcoxdotnet


Check your inbox.


Well, this has drawn quite a bit of interest, can I see??

Slight change of subject. *I was perusing your small boat building web site
and I find it quite impressive. *You should be very proud of the various
boats you have constructed.

Are you intentionally generating an intermittent, 1/2 second, *"gurgle"
sound when the site is open? *Before I go searching for what it is, please
enlighten me. *From some of the posts of yours I've read here, it sounds
like some thing quirky you would do.

Thanks


That sound tells you someone else has accessed the page.. I kind of
like to goof on people, I used to have a rather vicious flame link
hidden in a graphic, but I took it down on 9/11 as it was pretty
political and at the time, I felt uncalled for;)

[email protected] January 8th 08 11:26 PM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 
On Jan 8, 6:21*pm, wrote:
On Jan 8, 12:27*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:





wrote in message


...
On Jan 8, 8:50 am, "RG" wrote:


Please don't forget me!


jherringatcoxdotnet


Check your inbox.


Well, this has drawn quite a bit of interest, can I see??


Slight change of subject. *I was perusing your small boat building web site
and I find it quite impressive. *You should be very proud of the various
boats you have constructed.


Are you intentionally generating an intermittent, 1/2 second, *"gurgle"
sound when the site is open? *Before I go searching for what it is, please
enlighten me. *From some of the posts of yours I've read here, it sounds
like some thing quirky you would do.




In fact it's my counter which we got many moons ago he

http://www.chami.com/html-kit/

in case you want to check it out..

CalifBill January 9th 08 12:04 AM

Holy Camera BAtman!!
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:52:17 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Just got off the phone with Olympus.

The bill to repair my E-300, flat rate, is $310 plus 6% tax which
brings it to $328.60!!

Damn.

So much for that camera.


You think camera repair people should work for wal-mart wages?


No - I don't expect that.

I do expect a reasonable rate to replace the viewfinder glass and
upload the latest software.

It seems to me that 2/3s of the cost of the camera new (as of 2 1/2
years ago) is a bit excessive.


My point and shoot Olympus 35 mm had a sticky switch on the lens. Was 2
weeks past warranty when I sent it back. They wanted $5 less than a new
one, and only warranteed the camera for 6 months as opposed to a year with a
new camera. Last Olympus I bought.



Short Wave Sportfishing January 9th 08 12:31 AM

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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:04:46 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:52:17 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Just got off the phone with Olympus.

The bill to repair my E-300, flat rate, is $310 plus 6% tax which
brings it to $328.60!!

Damn.

So much for that camera.

You think camera repair people should work for wal-mart wages?


No - I don't expect that.

I do expect a reasonable rate to replace the viewfinder glass and
upload the latest software.

It seems to me that 2/3s of the cost of the camera new (as of 2 1/2
years ago) is a bit excessive.


My point and shoot Olympus 35 mm had a sticky switch on the lens. Was 2
weeks past warranty when I sent it back. They wanted $5 less than a new
one, and only warranteed the camera for 6 months as opposed to a year with a
new camera. Last Olympus I bought.


I've never had a problem with an Oly and when I had my OM-1 cleaned,
it was very reasonable - I think less than $60.

D.Duck January 9th 08 01:20 AM

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wrote in message
...
On Jan 8, 6:21 pm, wrote:
On Jan 8, 12:27 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:





wrote in message


...
On Jan 8, 8:50 am, "RG" wrote:


Please don't forget me!


jherringatcoxdotnet


Check your inbox.


Well, this has drawn quite a bit of interest, can I see??


Slight change of subject. I was perusing your small boat building web
site
and I find it quite impressive. You should be very proud of the various
boats you have constructed.


Are you intentionally generating an intermittent, 1/2 second, "gurgle"
sound when the site is open? Before I go searching for what it is,
please
enlighten me. From some of the posts of yours I've read here, it sounds
like some thing quirky you would do.




In fact it's my counter which we got many moons ago he

http://www.chami.com/html-kit/

in case you want to check it out..

Thanks for the info. There was quite a bit of "gurgling" going while I had
your site open, you must be a popular guy.

Once again, congrats on some really slick look craft.



[email protected] January 9th 08 01:56 AM

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On Jan 8, 8:20*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Jan 8, 6:21 pm, wrote:





On Jan 8, 12:27 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:


wrote in message


...
On Jan 8, 8:50 am, "RG" wrote:


Please don't forget me!


jherringatcoxdotnet


Check your inbox.


Well, this has drawn quite a bit of interest, can I see??


Slight change of subject. I was perusing your small boat building web
site
and I find it quite impressive. You should be very proud of the various
boats you have constructed.


Are you intentionally generating an intermittent, 1/2 second, "gurgle"
sound when the site is open? Before I go searching for what it is,
please
enlighten me. From some of the posts of yours I've read here, it sounds
like some thing quirky you would do.


In fact it's my counter which we got many moons ago he

http://www.chami.com/html-kit/

in case you want to check it out..

Thanks for the info. *There was quite a bit of "gurgling" going while I had
your site open, you must be a popular guy.

Once again, congrats on some really slick look craft.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


thanks;)

Vic Smith January 9th 08 03:50 AM

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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:16:09 -0700, Jeff Burke
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:50:21 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

FYI, just bought a supposedly good X-700 on ebay for $68.00 total
cost. Came with a couple lenses, but will take mine too.
Thanks again for the advice. I had already started to look for a
repairman for my 102, but you sobered me up.


If that's an SRT 102 you're talking about Garry's can refurb it for about $50.

http://www.garryscamera.com/

The 102 is a camera worth fixing too.


Yes, it's an SRT 102. In researching a while back I read that aging
leather and other non-metal parts can make them pretty expensive to
fix properly. It's 34 years old now, and has recorded many, many
memories. I might decide to give it a new lease on life yet.
Just don't want to give it up.
Whoa, Garry's is not more than 5 minutes from me!
Hey Jeff, thanks a lot!

--Vic

Steve January 9th 08 01:55 PM

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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:10:00 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:38:12 GMT, Steve wrote:

[...]

If you make that change and just shoot jpeg normal (not even fine)
quality, you'll have a hard time discerning the difference between raw
and jpeg.

Steve


Other than the limitation as to number of pictures on a card, which are
getting quite cheap, why would you not shoot everything in jpeg 'fine'. At
least then you can crop segments of the shot or the whole shot if you want.


The fine vs. normal distinction doesn't change the number of pixels,
only the amount of compression. So you can still crop the same with
either. I don't see hardly any difference between fine vs. normal so
I make my life easier with smaller files. Less time to offload the
pictures to the computer, less time to open them up in image editing
programs, etc.

Steve

Steve January 9th 08 01:58 PM

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On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:09:34 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


Looked at Craigs list for D200 prices. They have not dropped since the D300
came out. Actually most of the prices were very close to what a New York
mailorder camera store will sell for new.


The prices people are asking for on craigslist is a couple of hundred
more than the final selling prices on ebay for the same thing. If you
offer a few hundred less than the craigslist asking price, I'm sure
they'll take it if they want to sell. Especially if they see what the
ebay prices are.

Steve

Steve January 9th 08 02:06 PM

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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:50:22 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:16:09 -0700, Jeff Burke
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:50:21 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

FYI, just bought a supposedly good X-700 on ebay for $68.00 total
cost. Came with a couple lenses, but will take mine too.
Thanks again for the advice. I had already started to look for a
repairman for my 102, but you sobered me up.


If that's an SRT 102 you're talking about Garry's can refurb it for about $50.

http://www.garryscamera.com/

The 102 is a camera worth fixing too.


Yes, it's an SRT 102. In researching a while back I read that aging
leather and other non-metal parts can make them pretty expensive to
fix properly. It's 34 years old now, and has recorded many, many
memories. I might decide to give it a new lease on life yet.
Just don't want to give it up.
Whoa, Garry's is not more than 5 minutes from me!
Hey Jeff, thanks a lot!


While the SRT-102 is nice (my brother used to have one many moons ago)
the X-700 is a much nicer camera. Just make sure the metering is
accurate. You may have to dial in a different ISO than your film
speed to get properly exposed shots. That's the easiest way to put in
a consistent exposure compensation with a film camera.

A test reel is important when you first try out a new to you camera.
Vary the exposures shot to shot (make sure you take notes on what you
did so you can compare the results) and see what looks best.

An X-700 for $68 really is the way to go rather than fixing up an
SRT-102 for the same price. But if it has sentimental value, go for
it. Sounds like you got a great deal.

Steve

Vic Smith January 9th 08 02:47 PM

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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:06:49 GMT, Steve wrote:



A test reel is important when you first try out a new to you camera.
Vary the exposures shot to shot (make sure you take notes on what you
did so you can compare the results) and see what looks best.

Thanks, Steve. Will do.

--Vic

[email protected] January 9th 08 03:51 PM

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On Jan 8, 7:31*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:04:46 -0800, "CalifBill"





wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:52:17 -0500, HK wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Just got off the phone with Olympus.


The bill to repair my E-300, flat rate, is $310 plus 6% tax which
brings it to $328.60!!


Damn.


So much for that camera.


You think camera repair people should work for wal-mart wages?


No - I don't expect that.


I do expect a reasonable rate to replace the viewfinder glass and
upload the latest software.


It seems to me that 2/3s of the cost of the camera new (as of 2 1/2
years ago) is a bit excessive.


My point and shoot Olympus 35 mm had a sticky switch on the lens. *Was 2
weeks past warranty when I sent it back. *They wanted $5 less than a new
one, and only warranteed the camera for 6 months as opposed to a year with a
new camera. *Last Olympus I bought.


I've never had a problem with an Oly and when I had my OM-1 cleaned,
it was very reasonable - I think less than $60.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I have a circa early 80's MX 700 Minolta if you wanted to play with it
for a while, let me know, I will dig it up. Should be in mint or close
condition. What I really liked about that body was the button on the
side that would allow you to visually adjust your depth of field and
exposure. I liked the split screen focus rings and the ability to set
the stop to adjust +or- at the time of exposure.. It was a real neat
camera but I never really used it much except for a couple of Indy
races and such..

[email protected] January 9th 08 05:36 PM

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On Jan 9, 10:51*am, wrote:
On Jan 8, 7:31*pm, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:





On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:04:46 -0800, "CalifBill"


wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:52:17 -0500, HK wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Just got off the phone with Olympus.


The bill to repair my E-300, flat rate, is $310 plus 6% tax which
brings it to $328.60!!


Damn.


So much for that camera.


You think camera repair people should work for wal-mart wages?


No - I don't expect that.


I do expect a reasonable rate to replace the viewfinder glass and
upload the latest software.


It seems to me that 2/3s of the cost of the camera new (as of 2 1/2
years ago) is a bit excessive.


My point and shoot Olympus 35 mm had a sticky switch on the lens. *Was 2
weeks past warranty when I sent it back. *They wanted $5 less than a new
one, and only warranteed the camera for 6 months as opposed to a year with a
new camera. *Last Olympus I bought.


I've never had a problem with an Oly and when I had my OM-1 cleaned,
it was very reasonable - I think less than $60.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


I have a circa early 80's MX 700 Minolta if you wanted to play with it
for a while, let me know, I will dig it up. Should be in mint or close
condition. What I really liked about that body was the button on the
side that would allow you to visually adjust your depth of field and
exposure. I liked the split screen focus rings and the ability to set
the stop to adjust +or- at the time of exposure.. It was a real neat
camera but I never really used it much except for a couple of Indy
races and such..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Great camera. I had one that I left on the top of my car, then drove
off.....

dt January 10th 08 05:17 PM

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Steve wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:15:53 GMT, "RG" wrote:


Yes, I have a D200. And it's awesome. Mate it up with the 18-200 VR
zoom lens and you have the ultimate walk around camera.


I shoot with a D200 and the 18-200 VR as well. I'm extremely happy with the
outfit and am not ready to trade up at this time. However, if I was
starting from scratch and shopping for a new camera, I'd spend the extra
dinero for the D300.



Well, if I was shopping for new and money wasn't much of an issue, I'd
spend the extra dinero and get a D3. There, you have a huge jump in
capability over practically anything else and if you really are a
discriminating professional photographer, it's worth the price.
Otherwise, no.

While the D300 is well worth the price when compared to the list price
of a new D200, it just didn't seem to me to be worth over twice what a
D200 costs used. And I don't mind buying used. The one I got looks
and works like new, with less than 4000 shutter actuations.

At my price point, I had the choice between a used D200 vs. a new D80.
The D200 is sooooo much better than the D80. I'm glad I went the way
I did. I got the used D200, a brand new 18-200 VR lens and a brand
new SB-600 speedlight for less than the cost of just a D300 body.


I enjoyed you photos.

RG



Thanks. That's all that counts anyway.

Steve


What's the deal with the fountain in the teacup? Very amusing.

DT

Steve January 11th 08 12:14 AM

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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:17:49 -0600, dt wrote:

Steve wrote:

[...]

What's the deal with the fountain in the teacup? Very amusing.

DT


I think it's supposed to look like a spell concoction. If you look
carefully, there's smoke coming out of it too. It's outside a
witchcraft shop. There's a few of them in that town.

Steve

[email protected] January 11th 08 12:25 AM

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On Jan 8, 9:46*am, "RG" wrote:
sorry about the long email address. you could link me at:

sawdust @

smallboats

com

Done.


Hey, those are just incredible. My whole family was summoned to take a
look, they were not dissappointed. Nice job.

Anyway, ever think of posting them on line? I know they are big, but I
have a couple of servers and plenty of bandwidth if you want to make
them available to folks easier. I also have a great web based software
package you could use to upload and make thumbnails, catergories,
indexed catalogues, password protected albums, etc.. Neat little
package, very straight forward...

Let me know if you want to play, it's free, my dime... although it
really does not cost me anything either;)

RG January 11th 08 01:21 AM

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wrote in message
...
On Jan 8, 9:46 am, "RG" wrote:
sorry about the long email address. you could link me at:

sawdust @

smallboats

com

Done.


Hey, those are just incredible. My whole family was summoned to take a
look, they were not dissappointed. Nice job.

Anyway, ever think of posting them on line? I know they are big, but I
have a couple of servers and plenty of bandwidth if you want to make
them available to folks easier. I also have a great web based software
package you could use to upload and make thumbnails, catergories,
indexed catalogues, password protected albums, etc.. Neat little
package, very straight forward...

Let me know if you want to play, it's free, my dime... although it
really does not cost me anything either;)

_______________________________


I'm glad you enjoyed the book. I was beginning to wonder if you were able
to download the file since I hadn't heard back from you. I haven't heard
anything back from Eisboch either. I hope he got the file downloaded as
well. The eBook was a special project, designed to be very concise and
somewhat limited in scope. It was my first stab at such a project. I did
it for my own gratification as a hobby project and with the idea of
distributing the book via CD-ROM to friends, family and clients as a slick
little Christmas gift. In my estimation, it has succeeded nicely on those
counts. But I never really intended it for any sort of mass distribution or
commercial intent, although I've been told by more than a few that it is
worthy of such. As I've mentioned to a few via email, the hardest part of
the project was culling to 90 or so photos in the book down to a manageable
level that would be considerate of the reader's time and level of interest.
I shot somewhere in the vicinity of 4000-5000 photos during those two road
trips, and eventually culled those down to just under 1,000 "keepers". The
real chore was choosing just 10% of those for the book. Suffice it to say
that many images of the same quality as those in the book were left behind,
although that's hardly anything new when editing a photo book.

I appreciate your offer to make the eBook available on your website, but I
think I'll decline for now. I'm not sure I can explain just why, but for
now I'd like to retain a level of control over the distribution of the book.
Who knows what I may want to do with those images at a later date. A modest
career in photography once I retire is a possibility. So for now, I think
I'd just as soon make it available as a gift for those that I think would
appreciate it and simply ask for it.

I've been meaning to subscribe to an image hosting web site such as Smugmug
and put together a portfolio of my images, but I just haven't had the time.
It was all I could do to get the eBook done in time for Christmas card
mailing.

Again, thanks for your kind comments and offer of web hosting, and I hope
you continue to enjoy the book and share it with your family and friends.

Russ



Eisboch January 11th 08 01:56 AM

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"RG" wrote in message
m...


I'm glad you enjoyed the book. I was beginning to wonder if you were able
to download the file since I hadn't heard back from you. I haven't heard
anything back from Eisboch either. I hope he got the file downloaded as
well.



Regretfully I haven't Russ. I never got the link although I watched the
email closely.

Eisboch




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