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From a California blog:
"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’ central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’ central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. A variation of this? In other words, the Vice President of the United States is going to hold secret meetings with the oil industry to determine how best to maximize its profits over the next four to eight years at the expense of everyone else. Corporate nanny-state-ism. Corporations uber alles. |
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HK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’ central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. A variation of this? In other words, the Vice President of the United States is going to hold secret meetings with the oil industry to determine how best to maximize its profits over the next four to eight years at the expense of everyone else. Corporate nanny-state-ism. Corporations uber alles. It's my money and I should be able to spend it any way I want. |
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Legislation often has stupid revisions like this. It's good to see it
getting publicized. It's not a bad idea to have devices in the home than can optionally take advantage of managing signalling from the power company as to peak demand. Tell people they'll get a break on the power bill and you'll certainly see them play along. Try and force it, well, good luck. Given how trivial it is to control an HVAC system you'll no doubt see immediate steps to work around it. That and just imagine the nonsense of someone hacking the signals used. No thanks. But none of this has a damned thing to do with boating. Get it the **** out of rec.boats. |
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those "rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have, reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do? |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes' central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. I wonder if the geniuses who came up with this idea have any data about how homeowners already set their thermostats. I'd like to crank mine to 75 in the winter, but I'd be a potato chip within a week, but then I'd need to add humidity, and then I'd need a water softener, and it's all too friggin' annoying. So, it's at 68-ish. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:47:48 -0000, wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those "rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have, reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do? Maybe build a few more power plants? Or properly use the ones they already have in place? Perfect example. $500 million 790 megawatt oil/gas plant down in Killingly built by PG&E before they went under. That plant runs 16 hours a week to keep the turbines from deteroiating into junk. The private equity group that bought it 5 years ago don't want to run it because of operating costs (Union labor contract) and repairs only as necessary. The plant is falling apart. I understand that PG&E built several plants like this around the country and all are in the same condition. "Private equity groups" for the most part are only interested in milking out assets. PG&E was forced to sell the plants as part of the energy deregulation. One of those bills passed by the state legislature at the last minute with few even reading the bill. They were built as peaking plants. Only run when you needed to. |
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On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:47:25 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:47:48 -0000, wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those "rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have, reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do? Maybe build a few more power plants? Or properly use the ones they already have in place? Perfect example. $500 million 790 megawatt oil/gas plant down in Killingly built by PG&E before they went under. That plant runs 16 hours a week to keep the turbines from deteroiating into junk. The private equity group that bought it 5 years ago don't want to run it because of operating costs (Union labor contract) and repairs only as necessary. The plant is falling apart. I understand that PG&E built several plants like this around the country and all are in the same condition. "Private equity groups" for the most part are only interested in milking out assets. PG&E was forced to sell the plants as part of the energy deregulation. One of those bills passed by the state legislature at the last minute with few even reading the bill. They were built as peaking plants. Only run when you needed to. That's not how it was presented to the Regional Siting Council which I sat on as one of two town representatives. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:47:25 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:47:48 -0000, wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those "rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have, reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do? Maybe build a few more power plants? Or properly use the ones they already have in place? Perfect example. $500 million 790 megawatt oil/gas plant down in Killingly built by PG&E before they went under. That plant runs 16 hours a week to keep the turbines from deteroiating into junk. The private equity group that bought it 5 years ago don't want to run it because of operating costs (Union labor contract) and repairs only as necessary. The plant is falling apart. I understand that PG&E built several plants like this around the country and all are in the same condition. "Private equity groups" for the most part are only interested in milking out assets. PG&E was forced to sell the plants as part of the energy deregulation. One of those bills passed by the state legislature at the last minute with few even reading the bill. They were built as peaking plants. Only run when you needed to. That's not how it was presented to the Regional Siting Council which I sat on as one of two town representatives. PG&E built the turbine power plants here in the "Nannystate" as peaking plants. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes' central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. I sure hope California hurries up and secedes from the union quickly. Eisboch |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those "rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have, reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do? Approve and build some damn nuclear power plants. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes' central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. I sure hope California hurries up and secedes from the union quickly. Eisboch Better for both of us. We get to keep more money, get some foreign aid. And you get rid of a blue coast state. We have a right from statehood days for splitting the state in two parts. Would help us Northerners to keep some of our water and money. |
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’ central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she has no choice but to carry her baby full term? Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside her body or the temperature of her thermostat. The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party would like to impose on all human females. American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem? Figures. |
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:55:51 -0800, jps wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’ central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she has no choice but to carry her baby full term? Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside her body or the temperature of her thermostat. The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party would like to impose on all human females. American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem? Figures. And this is a perfect example of why all left coast liberals should be rounded up and shot. Equating murdering babies with thermostat control. Or better yet, make a sport out of it - say ten points a liberal moron every time one makes such a stupid and worthless comparison. 100 bonus points if you can get them before they utter it. |
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On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:50:57 -0800, "CalifBill"
wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes' central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. I sure hope California hurries up and secedes from the union quickly. Eisboch Better for both of us. We get to keep more money, get some foreign aid. And you get rid of a blue coast state. We have a right from statehood days for splitting the state in two parts. Would help us Northerners to keep some of our water and money. Yeah, but if you did split the state, which one would be blue and which red? |
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jps wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’ central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she has no choice but to carry her baby full term? Yes. Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside her body or the temperature of her thermostat. She and I discussed and we agreed. We have two beautiful and intelligent daughters. The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party would like to impose on all human females. Do you remember when the low flow toilets became law? Do you know what everyone crossing the border from Canada into the US had in the trunk of their cars? The high flow toilets still being manufactured in Canada. If the thermostat idiocy goes into law you will see a rise in on-line purchases from out of state retailers of non-big-brothered thermostats. American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem? Figures. Do you understand the concepts of freedom and liberty? |
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’ central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. Sounds like Al Gore will be making a bundle selling to California. -- John H |
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 01:55:51 -0800, jps wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’ central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she has no choice but to carry her baby full term? Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside her body or the temperature of her thermostat. The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party would like to impose on all human females. American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem? Figures. -- John H "It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!" [A Self-obsessed Hypocrite] |
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:10:07 -0500, BAR wrote:
jps wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’ central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she has no choice but to carry her baby full term? Yes. Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside her body or the temperature of her thermostat. She and I discussed and we agreed. We have two beautiful and intelligent daughters. The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party would like to impose on all human females. Do you remember when the low flow toilets became law? Do you know what everyone crossing the border from Canada into the US had in the trunk of their cars? The high flow toilets still being manufactured in Canada. If the thermostat idiocy goes into law you will see a rise in on-line purchases from out of state retailers of non-big-brothered thermostats. American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem? Figures. Do you understand the concepts of freedom and liberty? I broke the lid on one of my 'high volume' toilets. It cost as much to replace the lid as it would have cost to buy a whole new low volume toilet. Why - supply versus demand. 'Low volume' is an oxymoron for those toilets anyway. They always have to be flushed at least twice. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:50:57 -0800, "CalifBill" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes' central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. I sure hope California hurries up and secedes from the union quickly. Eisboch Better for both of us. We get to keep more money, get some foreign aid. And you get rid of a blue coast state. We have a right from statehood days for splitting the state in two parts. Would help us Northerners to keep some of our water and money. Yeah, but if you did split the state, which one would be blue and which red? North would be Red. Probably very red, as we could redistrict without the extreme gerrymandering that goes on now. I remember years ago when having lunch with the guy who took over from Pete McClosky (I worked for his company) and he said he could not believe how much travel it took to get around his district. The Silicon Valley and then a 2 mile wide strip over hwy 152 for a 100 miles to Livingston, CA. The legislature promised the people they would change the districting method, if they did not vote for one of the Govenators proposals a couple years ago. They lied. |
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"John H." wrote in message ... On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:10:07 -0500, BAR wrote: jps wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes' central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she has no choice but to carry her baby full term? Yes. Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside her body or the temperature of her thermostat. She and I discussed and we agreed. We have two beautiful and intelligent daughters. The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party would like to impose on all human females. Do you remember when the low flow toilets became law? Do you know what everyone crossing the border from Canada into the US had in the trunk of their cars? The high flow toilets still being manufactured in Canada. If the thermostat idiocy goes into law you will see a rise in on-line purchases from out of state retailers of non-big-brothered thermostats. American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem? Figures. Do you understand the concepts of freedom and liberty? I broke the lid on one of my 'high volume' toilets. It cost as much to replace the lid as it would have cost to buy a whole new low volume toilet. Why - supply versus demand. 'Low volume' is an oxymoron for those toilets anyway. They always have to be flushed at least twice. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Get a Toto toilet. |
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On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:31:01 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:10:07 -0500, BAR wrote: jps wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes' central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she has no choice but to carry her baby full term? Yes. Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside her body or the temperature of her thermostat. She and I discussed and we agreed. We have two beautiful and intelligent daughters. The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party would like to impose on all human females. Do you remember when the low flow toilets became law? Do you know what everyone crossing the border from Canada into the US had in the trunk of their cars? The high flow toilets still being manufactured in Canada. If the thermostat idiocy goes into law you will see a rise in on-line purchases from out of state retailers of non-big-brothered thermostats. American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem? Figures. Do you understand the concepts of freedom and liberty? I broke the lid on one of my 'high volume' toilets. It cost as much to replace the lid as it would have cost to buy a whole new low volume toilet. Why - supply versus demand. 'Low volume' is an oxymoron for those toilets anyway. They always have to be flushed at least twice. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Get a Toto toilet. No need to. Mine work. First time, every time, except with a Pampers. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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"John H." wrote in message
... On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:31:01 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: "John H." wrote in message . .. On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:10:07 -0500, BAR wrote: jps wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes' central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she has no choice but to carry her baby full term? Yes. Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside her body or the temperature of her thermostat. She and I discussed and we agreed. We have two beautiful and intelligent daughters. The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party would like to impose on all human females. Do you remember when the low flow toilets became law? Do you know what everyone crossing the border from Canada into the US had in the trunk of their cars? The high flow toilets still being manufactured in Canada. If the thermostat idiocy goes into law you will see a rise in on-line purchases from out of state retailers of non-big-brothered thermostats. American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem? Figures. Do you understand the concepts of freedom and liberty? I broke the lid on one of my 'high volume' toilets. It cost as much to replace the lid as it would have cost to buy a whole new low volume toilet. Why - supply versus demand. 'Low volume' is an oxymoron for those toilets anyway. They always have to be flushed at least twice. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Get a Toto toilet. No need to. Mine work. First time, every time, except with a Pampers. -- John H You are not supposed to flush your diapers down the toilet, John. Ask wifey what to do with them after she changes you. |
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:53:05 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H." wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:31:01 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:10:07 -0500, BAR wrote: jps wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes' central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she has no choice but to carry her baby full term? Yes. Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside her body or the temperature of her thermostat. She and I discussed and we agreed. We have two beautiful and intelligent daughters. The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party would like to impose on all human females. Do you remember when the low flow toilets became law? Do you know what everyone crossing the border from Canada into the US had in the trunk of their cars? The high flow toilets still being manufactured in Canada. If the thermostat idiocy goes into law you will see a rise in on-line purchases from out of state retailers of non-big-brothered thermostats. American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem? Figures. Do you understand the concepts of freedom and liberty? I broke the lid on one of my 'high volume' toilets. It cost as much to replace the lid as it would have cost to buy a whole new low volume toilet. Why - supply versus demand. 'Low volume' is an oxymoron for those toilets anyway. They always have to be flushed at least twice. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Get a Toto toilet. No need to. Mine work. First time, every time, except with a Pampers. -- John H You are not supposed to flush your diapers down the toilet, John. Ask wifey what to do with them after she changes you. Good advice, Doug. That's the most profound statement you've made in several weeks. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "John H." wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:31:01 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: "John H." wrote in message ... On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:10:07 -0500, BAR wrote: jps wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: From a California blog: "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes' central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver that will allow the power authorities to increase your air conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to alter them." In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and will be overridden by the state of California through its public and private utility organizations. All your thermostats are belong to us. And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she has no choice but to carry her baby full term? Yes. Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside her body or the temperature of her thermostat. She and I discussed and we agreed. We have two beautiful and intelligent daughters. The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party would like to impose on all human females. Do you remember when the low flow toilets became law? Do you know what everyone crossing the border from Canada into the US had in the trunk of their cars? The high flow toilets still being manufactured in Canada. If the thermostat idiocy goes into law you will see a rise in on-line purchases from out of state retailers of non-big-brothered thermostats. American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem? Figures. Do you understand the concepts of freedom and liberty? I broke the lid on one of my 'high volume' toilets. It cost as much to replace the lid as it would have cost to buy a whole new low volume toilet. Why - supply versus demand. 'Low volume' is an oxymoron for those toilets anyway. They always have to be flushed at least twice. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Get a Toto toilet. No need to. Mine work. First time, every time, except with a Pampers. -- John H You are not supposed to flush your diapers down the toilet, John. Ask wifey what to do with them after she changes you. Johns size are known as 'Depends'. |
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On Jan 5, 4:15�pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote:
But none of this has a damned thing to do with boating. �Get it the **** out of rec.boats. Good luck with that. :-) We've got individual posters here with over 200 posts so far for the month of January, and probably less than 10-percent are boating related. Just figure this group has gone to hell until after the election, at least. Most of the folks around here are once-every-so-often boaters, but passionate about politics. Love it or leave it, I guess. Posts so far in the first 6 days of January: 201 191 175 Short Wave Sportfishing 152 119 118 109 "reggie is 107 103 89 |
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On Jan 7, 2:16Â*am, Chuck Gould wrote:
On Jan 5, 4:15�pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote: But none of this has a damned thing to do with boating. �Get it the **** out of rec.boats. Good luck with that. :-) We've got individual posters here with over 200 posts so far for the month of January, and probably less than 10-percent are boating related. Just figure this group has gone to hell until after the election, at least. Most of the folks around here are once-every-so-often boaters, but passionate about politics. Love it or leave it, I guess. Posts so far in the first 6 days of January: 201 191 175 Short Wave Sportfishing 152 119 118 109 "reggie is 107 103 89 Pretty opportune time to start counting heh.. What if we just did an word count, say when you are giving us a review about some boat no one here will ever be able to afford or even step aboard..;) |
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On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:16:12 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould
wrote: On Jan 5, 4:15?pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote: But none of this has a damned thing to do with boating. ?Get it the **** out of rec.boats. Good luck with that. :-) We've got individual posters here with over 200 posts so far for the month of January, and probably less than 10-percent are boating related. Just figure this group has gone to hell until after the election, at least. Most of the folks around here are once-every-so-often boaters, but passionate about politics. Love it or leave it, I guess. Posts so far in the first 6 days of January: 201 191 175 Short Wave Sportfishing 152 119 118 109 "reggie is 107 103 89 Damn Global Warming is keeping me off my boat. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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On Jan 7, 7:58*am, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 23:16:12 -0800 (PST), Chuck Gould wrote: On Jan 5, 4:15?pm, "Bill Kearney" wrote: But none of this has a damned thing to do with boating. ?Get it the **** out of rec.boats. Good luck with that. :-) We've got individual posters here with over 200 posts so far for the month of January, and probably less than 10-percent are boating related. Just figure this group has gone to hell until after the election, at least. Most of the folks around here are once-every-so-often boaters, but passionate about politics. Love it or leave it, I guess. Posts so far in the first 6 days of January: 201 191 175 Short Wave Sportfishing 152 119 118 109 "reggie is 107 103 89 Damn Global Warming is keeping me off my boat. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It's Global Taxing, and in the last few months particularly, the wheels have been falling off the sharade..;) |
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