It's the economy, stupid.
 

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:22:11 -0500, "John" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:21:16 -0500, HK wrote:

John wrote:
"Ceri Thomas" wrote in message
news:1Bhgj.20476$EA5.11445@pd7urf2no...
I'm sure it ran up much more than that as US foreign debt is
12.78trillion
as of June 2007. Then there is internal debt which is much higher as
the
cost of war is at 2.1billion a month on average for the last four years
alone in Iraq. Not to mention the Afghanistan war, extremely expensive
homeland security, botched emergency effort in New Orleans, dozens of
natural disasters, domestic auto sector being wiped out. The list is
long.
Most of your foreign debt is to Canada for energy, raw materials, food
and
assorted other items. The only three areas on growth in the US is law
enforcement ( ironically things like 8million aliens aren't criminals),
armed forces and the medical fields. Sad state of direction for any
nation.


Do not lose focus on how and where they blew the money-
The one that really fry's me and should have a FULL investigation was
when
Bush flew 10 BILLION IN CASH into the waiting hands of military
contractors.
You can buy a LOT of votes and loyalty with 10 billion, just what did
they
do to deserve such a reward? How much of that made it back to Bush
family
coffers?



The United States of Corporate-ism

http://tinyurl.com/3xcebr

Yeah, we need to get rid of the corporations, put production in the hands
of the government where it belongs. That would be the fair thing to do.
--
John H


LOL

But on the flip side you should NOT have corporations running the
government! Just check who Bush appointees were.

Mussolini claimed Fascism was only corporatism, the marriage of corporations
and government....



Where would a president go for appointees? Would current or former
politicians be the best bet? Educators? Union leaders? High contributors?
Those successful in related occupations? Ministers? Olympians?

Were none of Clinton's appointees from the business world?

Which specific appointees do you think are getting money under the table
somehow?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

It's the economy, stupid.
 

John wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:22:11 -0500, "John" wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:21:16 -0500, HK wrote:

John wrote:
"Ceri Thomas" wrote in message
news:1Bhgj.20476$EA5.11445@pd7urf2no...
I'm sure it ran up much more than that as US foreign debt is
12.78trillion
as of June 2007. Then there is internal debt which is much higher as
the
cost of war is at 2.1billion a month on average for the last four
years
alone in Iraq. Not to mention the Afghanistan war, extremely
expensive
homeland security, botched emergency effort in New Orleans, dozens of
natural disasters, domestic auto sector being wiped out. The list is
long.
Most of your foreign debt is to Canada for energy, raw materials,
food
and
assorted other items. The only three areas on growth in the US is law
enforcement ( ironically things like 8million aliens aren't
criminals),
armed forces and the medical fields. Sad state of direction for any
nation.

Do not lose focus on how and where they blew the money-
The one that really fry's me and should have a FULL investigation was
when
Bush flew 10 BILLION IN CASH into the waiting hands of military
contractors.
You can buy a LOT of votes and loyalty with 10 billion, just what did
they
do to deserve such a reward? How much of that made it back to Bush
family
coffers?


The United States of Corporate-ism

http://tinyurl.com/3xcebr
Yeah, we need to get rid of the corporations, put production in the
hands
of the government where it belongs. That would be the fair thing to do.
--
John H

LOL

But on the flip side you should NOT have corporations running the
government! Just check who Bush appointees were.

Mussolini claimed Fascism was only corporatism, the marriage of
corporations
and government....


Where would a president go for appointees? Would current or former
politicians be the best bet? Educators? Union leaders? High contributors?
Those successful in related occupations? Ministers? Olympians?

Were none of Clinton's appointees from the business world?

Which specific appointees do you think are getting money under the table
somehow?
--
John H



Clinton? The first words out of a conservatives mouth "But Clinton....."
Not much of a defense!

My biggest complaint is on the environment.

Bush has stacked all appointed posts with people who are from industry and
attacked/watered down all environmental protections.

for example the EPA - do you like clean air and water - the Bush
administration doesn't.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...schaeffer.html
and
http://www.grist.org/news/muck/2004/11/02/little-epa/

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/30/...gered-species/

I guess I am liberal in that I think the environment is more important than
corporate profit.

****************
If you want to know why something happens in politics - Follow the money!




Do you know anything about Herring?

You are arguing with an idiot.


--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

It's the economy, stupid.
 

HK wrote:
John wrote:
"Ceri Thomas" wrote in message
news:1Bhgj.20476$EA5.11445@pd7urf2no...
I'm sure it ran up much more than that as US foreign debt is
12.78trillion as of June 2007. Then there is internal debt which is
much higher as the cost of war is at 2.1billion a month on average
for the last four years alone in Iraq. Not to mention the Afghanistan
war, extremely expensive homeland security, botched emergency effort
in New Orleans, dozens of natural disasters, domestic auto sector
being wiped out. The list is long. Most of your foreign debt is to
Canada for energy, raw materials, food and assorted other items. The
only three areas on growth in the US is law enforcement ( ironically
things like 8million aliens aren't criminals), armed forces and the
medical fields. Sad state of direction for any nation.


Do not lose focus on how and where they blew the money-
The one that really fry's me and should have a FULL investigation was
when Bush flew 10 BILLION IN CASH into the waiting hands of military
contractors. You can buy a LOT of votes and loyalty with 10 billion,
just what did they do to deserve such a reward? How much of that made
it back to Bush family coffers?







The United States of Corporate-ism

http://tinyurl.com/3xcebr

No corporations, no need for unions.

It's the economy, stupid.
 

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
John wrote:
"Ceri Thomas" wrote in message
news:1Bhgj.20476$EA5.11445@pd7urf2no...
I'm sure it ran up much more than that as US foreign debt is
12.78trillion as of June 2007. Then there is internal debt which is
much higher as the cost of war is at 2.1billion a month on average
for the last four years alone in Iraq. Not to mention the
Afghanistan war, extremely expensive homeland security, botched
emergency effort in New Orleans, dozens of natural disasters,
domestic auto sector being wiped out. The list is long. Most of your
foreign debt is to Canada for energy, raw materials, food and
assorted other items. The only three areas on growth in the US is
law enforcement ( ironically things like 8million aliens aren't
criminals), armed forces and the medical fields. Sad state of
direction for any nation.


Do not lose focus on how and where they blew the money-
The one that really fry's me and should have a FULL investigation was
when Bush flew 10 BILLION IN CASH into the waiting hands of military
contractors. You can buy a LOT of votes and loyalty with 10 billion,
just what did they do to deserve such a reward? How much of that
made it back to Bush family coffers?







The United States of Corporate-ism

http://tinyurl.com/3xcebr

No corporations, no need for unions.



Of course, you haven't a clue as to what corporate-ism is, do you?



--
George W. Bush - the 43rd Best President Ever!

It's the economy, stupid.
 

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
John wrote:
"Ceri Thomas" wrote in message
news:1Bhgj.20476$EA5.11445@pd7urf2no...
I'm sure it ran up much more than that as US foreign debt is
12.78trillion as of June 2007. Then there is internal debt which is
much higher as the cost of war is at 2.1billion a month on average
for the last four years alone in Iraq. Not to mention the
Afghanistan war, extremely expensive homeland security, botched
emergency effort in New Orleans, dozens of natural disasters,
domestic auto sector being wiped out. The list is long. Most of
your foreign debt is to Canada for energy, raw materials, food and
assorted other items. The only three areas on growth in the US is
law enforcement ( ironically things like 8million aliens aren't
criminals), armed forces and the medical fields. Sad state of
direction for any nation.


Do not lose focus on how and where they blew the money-
The one that really fry's me and should have a FULL investigation
was when Bush flew 10 BILLION IN CASH into the waiting hands of
military contractors. You can buy a LOT of votes and loyalty with 10
billion, just what did they do to deserve such a reward? How much
of that made it back to Bush family coffers?







The United States of Corporate-ism

http://tinyurl.com/3xcebr

No corporations, no need for unions.



Of course, you haven't a clue as to what corporate-ism is, do you?




Why are you against the engines of our economy and prosperity?

It's the economy, stupid.
 

On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 11:34:24 -0500, "John" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:22:11 -0500, "John" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:21:16 -0500, HK wrote:

John wrote:
"Ceri Thomas" wrote in message
news:1Bhgj.20476$EA5.11445@pd7urf2no...
I'm sure it ran up much more than that as US foreign debt is
12.78trillion
as of June 2007. Then there is internal debt which is much higher as
the
cost of war is at 2.1billion a month on average for the last four
years
alone in Iraq. Not to mention the Afghanistan war, extremely
expensive
homeland security, botched emergency effort in New Orleans, dozens of
natural disasters, domestic auto sector being wiped out. The list is
long.
Most of your foreign debt is to Canada for energy, raw materials,
food
and
assorted other items. The only three areas on growth in the US is law
enforcement ( ironically things like 8million aliens aren't
criminals),
armed forces and the medical fields. Sad state of direction for any
nation.


Do not lose focus on how and where they blew the money-
The one that really fry's me and should have a FULL investigation was
when
Bush flew 10 BILLION IN CASH into the waiting hands of military
contractors.
You can buy a LOT of votes and loyalty with 10 billion, just what did
they
do to deserve such a reward? How much of that made it back to Bush
family
coffers?



The United States of Corporate-ism

http://tinyurl.com/3xcebr

Yeah, we need to get rid of the corporations, put production in the
hands
of the government where it belongs. That would be the fair thing to do.
--
John H


LOL

But on the flip side you should NOT have corporations running the
government! Just check who Bush appointees were.

Mussolini claimed Fascism was only corporatism, the marriage of
corporations
and government....



Where would a president go for appointees? Would current or former
politicians be the best bet? Educators? Union leaders? High contributors?
Those successful in related occupations? Ministers? Olympians?

Were none of Clinton's appointees from the business world?

Which specific appointees do you think are getting money under the table
somehow?
--
John H



Clinton? The first words out of a conservatives mouth "But Clinton....."
Not much of a defense!

My biggest complaint is on the environment.

Bush has stacked all appointed posts with people who are from industry and
attacked/watered down all environmental protections.

for example the EPA - do you like clean air and water - the Bush
administration doesn't.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...schaeffer.html
and
http://www.grist.org/news/muck/2004/11/02/little-epa/

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/30/...gered-species/

I guess I am liberal in that I think the environment is more important than
corporate profit.

****************
If you want to know why something happens in politics - Follow the money!


Like in 'Al Gore'.

You've presented two anti-Republican hate sheets and one article about a
Bush appointee who must have been a good one, by your definition. You
answered none of my questions. I accused Clinton of nothing. I simply asked
a question about him.

You made a generalized derogatory statement alleging that corporations were
running the government. You provided no proof, with one possible exception
in the EPA.

So, have a good day.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

It's the economy, stupid.
 

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 11:35:10 -0500, HK wrote:

John wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:22:11 -0500, "John" wrote:

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:21:16 -0500, HK wrote:

John wrote:
"Ceri Thomas" wrote in message
news:1Bhgj.20476$EA5.11445@pd7urf2no...
I'm sure it ran up much more than that as US foreign debt is
12.78trillion
as of June 2007. Then there is internal debt which is much higher as
the
cost of war is at 2.1billion a month on average for the last four
years
alone in Iraq. Not to mention the Afghanistan war, extremely
expensive
homeland security, botched emergency effort in New Orleans, dozens of
natural disasters, domestic auto sector being wiped out. The list is
long.
Most of your foreign debt is to Canada for energy, raw materials,
food
and
assorted other items. The only three areas on growth in the US is law
enforcement ( ironically things like 8million aliens aren't
criminals),
armed forces and the medical fields. Sad state of direction for any
nation.

Do not lose focus on how and where they blew the money-
The one that really fry's me and should have a FULL investigation was
when
Bush flew 10 BILLION IN CASH into the waiting hands of military
contractors.
You can buy a LOT of votes and loyalty with 10 billion, just what did
they
do to deserve such a reward? How much of that made it back to Bush
family
coffers?


The United States of Corporate-ism

http://tinyurl.com/3xcebr
Yeah, we need to get rid of the corporations, put production in the
hands
of the government where it belongs. That would be the fair thing to do.
--
John H

LOL

But on the flip side you should NOT have corporations running the
government! Just check who Bush appointees were.

Mussolini claimed Fascism was only corporatism, the marriage of
corporations
and government....


Where would a president go for appointees? Would current or former
politicians be the best bet? Educators? Union leaders? High contributors?
Those successful in related occupations? Ministers? Olympians?

Were none of Clinton's appointees from the business world?

Which specific appointees do you think are getting money under the table
somehow?
--
John H



Clinton? The first words out of a conservatives mouth "But Clinton....."
Not much of a defense!

My biggest complaint is on the environment.

Bush has stacked all appointed posts with people who are from industry and
attacked/watered down all environmental protections.

for example the EPA - do you like clean air and water - the Bush
administration doesn't.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...schaeffer.html
and
http://www.grist.org/news/muck/2004/11/02/little-epa/

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/30/...gered-species/

I guess I am liberal in that I think the environment is more important than
corporate profit.

****************
If you want to know why something happens in politics - Follow the money!




Do you know anything about Herring?

You are arguing with an idiot.

Harry does not like people who don't abide liars and bigots. He pretends to
have them filtered, but he hangs on every word.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

It's the economy, stupid.
 

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:55:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:13:49 -0500, John H.
wrote:

You made a generalized derogatory statement alleging that corporations were
running the government. You provided no proof, with one possible exception
in the EPA.

The proof is in where all the campaign contributions come from.
They will spend more than a billion dollars this year and MOST of that
money came from corporations who want something back.

Has no bearing on your original assertion.

Nice job deleting the pertinent stuff!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

It's the economy, stupid.
 

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:09:24 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:28:25 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:55:34 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:13:49 -0500, John H.
wrote:

You made a generalized derogatory statement alleging that corporations were
running the government. You provided no proof, with one possible exception
in the EPA.

The proof is in where all the campaign contributions come from.
They will spend more than a billion dollars this year and MOST of that
money came from corporations who want something back.

Has no bearing on your original assertion.

Nice job deleting the pertinent stuff!

It wasn't "my" original assertion, I was only responding to how the
corporations really control the government.
If you own the polititians you control the government.

Well, it's mute, isn't it? You've snipped your original comments, and I'm
not going to look them up.

I'll say this one more time, "You made a generalized derogatory statement
alleging that corporations were running the government. You provided no
proof, with one possible exception in the EPA."
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

It's the economy, stupid.
 

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:49:38 -0500, wrote:



I'll say this one more time, "You made a generalized derogatory statement
alleging that corporations were running the government. You provided no
proof, with one possible exception in the EPA."


I suppose you mean "moot" but I will say again, it wasn't my original
note making that "derogatory statement". Sorry if I jumped in at the
wrong time. Please disregard the whole thing.

Yeah, moot. Haven't had enough coffee yet.

OK.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."