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John H.[_2_] December 27th 07 11:35 AM

Battery charging problem
 
I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?

Reginald P. Smithers III[_4_] December 27th 07 11:58 AM

Battery charging problem
 
John H. wrote:
I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?


An inexpensive "trickle" charger can do more damage than good. You
really want to charge the battery with a smart charger, that will turn
itself on and off as needed.

Jim December 27th 07 12:09 PM

Battery charging problem
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?

My understanding is that these cheap smart chargers merely change the
set/reset voltages depending on your switch settings and battery voltage.
Your battery may not be able to charge to level that satisfys the charger.
Try a different charger or do a few charge/discharge cycles if the battery
is brand new. If the battery has gone flat, you may have to desulfate it.
There is a lot of information about battery charging on the Surette website
and other sites.


Short Wave Sportfishing December 27th 07 12:20 PM

Battery charging problem
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:35:13 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?


Couple of things come to mind. First is if the battery is indeed
"good". I've bought new batteries that weren't worth the powder to
blow to hell.

Second, read the manual for the charger. That blinking green light
doesn't sound right to me - as if it's a trouble code.

Third, is the charger good?

The chargers I have all work fine at 2 amps and have three LEDs to
indicate status - red for trouble, yellow for charging and green for
finished.

John H.[_2_] December 27th 07 12:23 PM

Battery charging problem
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:58:49 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
[email protected] wrote:

John H. wrote:
I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?


An inexpensive "trickle" charger can do more damage than good. You
really want to charge the battery with a smart charger, that will turn
itself on and off as needed.


No, mine's an older version of this one: http://tinyurl.com/24e7r7

It's a 125/15/2 fully automatic. I said 10 amps earlier, but the actual is
15.

John H.[_2_] December 27th 07 01:04 PM

Battery charging problem
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:20:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:35:13 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?


Couple of things come to mind. First is if the battery is indeed
"good". I've bought new batteries that weren't worth the powder to
blow to hell.

Second, read the manual for the charger. That blinking green light
doesn't sound right to me - as if it's a trouble code.

Third, is the charger good?

The chargers I have all work fine at 2 amps and have three LEDs to
indicate status - red for trouble, yellow for charging and green for
finished.


Schumaker instructions that came with the charger don't even mention the
lights! Mine has only two, green and red. The green normally blinks while
charging and glows continuously when the battery's charged.

I just checked it after having it on the motorcycle battery. The green
light blinked when I connected it, but had a steady glow when I just
checked it. The motorcycle battery wasn't in a very discharged state, so
the charger took only an hour or so to top it off.

I'll try setting the charger at the 15 amp setting and see what happens.

Short Wave Sportfishing December 27th 07 01:22 PM

Battery charging problem
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:04:36 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:20:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:35:13 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?


Couple of things come to mind. First is if the battery is indeed
"good". I've bought new batteries that weren't worth the powder to
blow to hell.

Second, read the manual for the charger. That blinking green light
doesn't sound right to me - as if it's a trouble code.

Third, is the charger good?

The chargers I have all work fine at 2 amps and have three LEDs to
indicate status - red for trouble, yellow for charging and green for
finished.


Schumaker instructions that came with the charger don't even mention the
lights! Mine has only two, green and red. The green normally blinks while
charging and glows continuously when the battery's charged.

I just checked it after having it on the motorcycle battery. The green
light blinked when I connected it, but had a steady glow when I just
checked it. The motorcycle battery wasn't in a very discharged state, so
the charger took only an hour or so to top it off.

I'll try setting the charger at the 15 amp setting and see what happens.


Hmmmm - it could be that you have a bad battery - or one that wasn't
completely charged on delivery.

I've seen that happen before.

HK December 27th 07 01:29 PM

Battery charging problem
 
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:04:36 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:20:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:35:13 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?
Couple of things come to mind. First is if the battery is indeed
"good". I've bought new batteries that weren't worth the powder to
blow to hell.

Second, read the manual for the charger. That blinking green light
doesn't sound right to me - as if it's a trouble code.

Third, is the charger good?

The chargers I have all work fine at 2 amps and have three LEDs to
indicate status - red for trouble, yellow for charging and green for
finished.

Schumaker instructions that came with the charger don't even mention the
lights! Mine has only two, green and red. The green normally blinks while
charging and glows continuously when the battery's charged.

I just checked it after having it on the motorcycle battery. The green
light blinked when I connected it, but had a steady glow when I just
checked it. The motorcycle battery wasn't in a very discharged state, so
the charger took only an hour or so to top it off.

I'll try setting the charger at the 15 amp setting and see what happens.


Hmmmm - it could be that you have a bad battery - or one that wasn't
completely charged on delivery.

I've seen that happen before.




It pays to buy from a reputable dealer who actually checks out the boat
BEFORE the customer takes delivery.

John H.[_2_] December 27th 07 02:04 PM

Battery charging problem
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:29:25 -0500, HK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:04:36 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:20:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:35:13 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?
Couple of things come to mind. First is if the battery is indeed
"good". I've bought new batteries that weren't worth the powder to
blow to hell.

Second, read the manual for the charger. That blinking green light
doesn't sound right to me - as if it's a trouble code.

Third, is the charger good?

The chargers I have all work fine at 2 amps and have three LEDs to
indicate status - red for trouble, yellow for charging and green for
finished.
Schumaker instructions that came with the charger don't even mention the
lights! Mine has only two, green and red. The green normally blinks while
charging and glows continuously when the battery's charged.

I just checked it after having it on the motorcycle battery. The green
light blinked when I connected it, but had a steady glow when I just
checked it. The motorcycle battery wasn't in a very discharged state, so
the charger took only an hour or so to top it off.

I'll try setting the charger at the 15 amp setting and see what happens.


Hmmmm - it could be that you have a bad battery - or one that wasn't
completely charged on delivery.

I've seen that happen before.




It pays to buy from a reputable dealer who actually checks out the boat
BEFORE the customer takes delivery.


If I had desired the boat to be checked out, it would have been. It was
*my* choice to leave it be until the spring.

The dealer *did* check to make sure I had a transom capable of stopping a
6" wave.

John H.[_2_] December 27th 07 02:04 PM

Battery charging problem
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:22:44 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:04:36 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:20:50 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:35:13 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?

Couple of things come to mind. First is if the battery is indeed
"good". I've bought new batteries that weren't worth the powder to
blow to hell.

Second, read the manual for the charger. That blinking green light
doesn't sound right to me - as if it's a trouble code.

Third, is the charger good?

The chargers I have all work fine at 2 amps and have three LEDs to
indicate status - red for trouble, yellow for charging and green for
finished.


Schumaker instructions that came with the charger don't even mention the
lights! Mine has only two, green and red. The green normally blinks while
charging and glows continuously when the battery's charged.

I just checked it after having it on the motorcycle battery. The green
light blinked when I connected it, but had a steady glow when I just
checked it. The motorcycle battery wasn't in a very discharged state, so
the charger took only an hour or so to top it off.

I'll try setting the charger at the 15 amp setting and see what happens.


Hmmmm - it could be that you have a bad battery - or one that wasn't
completely charged on delivery.

I've seen that happen before.


I went to the Schumacher site and found a FAQ. One of the responses had to
do with the deep cycle battery, and it suggested setting the charger for a
regular 12 volt. I've done that, and set it at a 15 amp rate. I'll get back
and let you know what happened.

Thanks for the help!

Eisboch December 27th 07 02:31 PM

Battery charging problem
 

"John H." wrote in message
...
I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?


If your charger is a "smart charger" meaning it will automatically go
through a 3 stage charging process, the battery may be too low initially and
the smart charger thinks there is a problem. It's a characteristic of the
charger.
A way to get around this is to initially use an old fashioned, voltage only
charger to bring the battery up to a level where the smart charger can do
it's thing.

Other possibilities is having the charger set for the wrong type of battery.
Many have settings for regular lead-acid, deep cycle, AGM, etc.

This is one reason I leave a good, "float" type maintainer on the battery
all winter, not to be confused with a "trickle" charger.

Eisboch




Eisboch December 27th 07 02:37 PM

Battery charging problem
 

"John H." wrote in message
...


I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?


One other thing. If the battery is low on charge (which it could very well
be if it is brand new but has been sitting around) the initial charge
should be at a lower, slower rate ... the 2 amp setting, not the 10 or 15
amp. There may not be enough activity going on in it to take the higher
charge rate.

Batteries are weird.

Eisboch



John H.[_2_] December 27th 07 03:18 PM

Battery charging problem
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:37:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
.. .


I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?


One other thing. If the battery is low on charge (which it could very well
be if it is brand new but has been sitting around) the initial charge
should be at a lower, slower rate ... the 2 amp setting, not the 10 or 15
amp. There may not be enough activity going on in it to take the higher
charge rate.

Batteries are weird.

Eisboch


I changed it from deep cycle setting to the regular setting and that
worked. At a 15amp rate, it took about an hour for the flashing grreen to
become continuous, indicating a full charge.

Thanks to all for the tips/advice.

John H.[_2_] December 27th 07 03:38 PM

Battery charging problem
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:29:25 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:35:13 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?


Is this a Schumacher smart charger? If so, a BLINKING green light
indicates the battery is sulfated and the charger is attempting to
correct the problem. If it goes to red after that, I would suggest
disconnecting the charger, checking electrolyte levels in all cells
and then trying to charge it again.


Actually, it's a Diehard made by Schumacher. The green light has always
blinked when hooked up to any battery, unless the battery was totally shot
and the red light never went off.

John H.[_2_] December 27th 07 04:16 PM

Battery charging problem
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:45:49 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:23:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:58:49 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
[email protected] wrote:

John H. wrote:
I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?

An inexpensive "trickle" charger can do more damage than good. You
really want to charge the battery with a smart charger, that will turn
itself on and off as needed.


No, mine's an older version of this one:
http://tinyurl.com/24e7r7

It's a 125/15/2 fully automatic. I said 10 amps earlier, but the actual is
15.


That's not a 3 stage smart charger. You will have a tough time
properly charging a deep cycle battery using that. Walmart sells a
smaller Schumacher "smart charger" for about $75 that is actully
pretty good. It will also properly charge AGM's and Gell Cells if you
ever have the need.


I think you may be correct. This charger has been around for a while. Maybe
I owe myself a present for being a good boy. I'm thinking of something like
this: http://tinyurl.com/2nbjqy

But, I don't see anything there about '3 stage smart charger'.

John H.[_2_] December 27th 07 04:18 PM

Battery charging problem
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:01:11 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:38:06 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:29:25 GMT,
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:35:13 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?

Is this a Schumacher smart charger? If so, a BLINKING green light
indicates the battery is sulfated and the charger is attempting to
correct the problem. If it goes to red after that, I would suggest
disconnecting the charger, checking electrolyte levels in all cells
and then trying to charge it again.


Actually, it's a Diehard made by Schumacher. The green light has always
blinked when hooked up to any battery, unless the battery was totally shot
and the red light never went off.


I saw the link you posted. That's not a 3-stage "smart charger", which
works far better on deep cycle batteries. As people have pointed out
in the past in various threads, charging a deep cycle battery is not
just a simple matter of cramming a bunch of volts and amps into it.
It's a process with stages. The charger you have is really not going
to properly and fully charge a deep cycle battery, even though it has
a switch that says it can.



Gotcha. Thanks. Maybe I'll take a ride to Wal-Mart, but promise not to tell
Harry. I don't want any long winded speeches.

Tim December 27th 07 04:48 PM

Battery charging problem
 


HK wrote:


It pays to buy from a reputable dealer who actually checks out the boat
BEFORE the customer takes delivery.


Harry, I've have to agree that the battery could be bogus. Most
batteries come pre"charged" whick is a good deal, but I've always put
a new battery on a charger for at least a half hour before
installation. I've had brand new Delco batteries be dead right out of
the box. Some would crank a few times then just "quit".

conclusion: seperated cell.

Just because it's NEW doesn't mean it's going to be "good". That's
what warrenties are for.

HK December 27th 07 04:56 PM

Battery charging problem
 
Tim wrote:

HK wrote:

It pays to buy from a reputable dealer who actually checks out the boat
BEFORE the customer takes delivery.


Harry, I've have to agree that the battery could be bogus. Most
batteries come pre"charged" whick is a good deal, but I've always put
a new battery on a charger for at least a half hour before
installation. I've had brand new Delco batteries be dead right out of
the box. Some would crank a few times then just "quit".

conclusion: seperated cell.

Just because it's NEW doesn't mean it's going to be "good". That's
what warrenties are for.



Did I post anything contrary?

My dealer checked everything out prior to letting me climb aboard and
point out where I wanted X, Y, and Z installed. That included testing
the batteries.

John H.[_2_] December 27th 07 05:01 PM

Battery charging problem
 
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:54:38 GMT, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:16:29 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:45:49 GMT,
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:23:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:58:49 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
[email protected] wrote:

John H. wrote:
I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?

An inexpensive "trickle" charger can do more damage than good. You
really want to charge the battery with a smart charger, that will turn
itself on and off as needed.

No, mine's an older version of this one:
http://tinyurl.com/24e7r7

It's a 125/15/2 fully automatic. I said 10 amps earlier, but the actual is
15.

That's not a 3 stage smart charger. You will have a tough time
properly charging a deep cycle battery using that. Walmart sells a
smaller Schumacher "smart charger" for about $75 that is actully
pretty good. It will also properly charge AGM's and Gell Cells if you
ever have the need.


I think you may be correct. This charger has been around for a while. Maybe
I owe myself a present for being a good boy. I'm thinking of something like
this: http://tinyurl.com/2nbjqy

But, I don't see anything there about '3 stage smart charger'.


Here's the one you want. As I said, Walmart has this one for about $75
or maybe a bit less.

http://store.schumachermart.com/ssc-1000a.html


I'll have one before the day is out. Thanks!

(And thanks to the Fed for printing money.)

Tim December 27th 07 05:02 PM

Battery charging problem
 


HK wrote:
Tim wrote:

HK wrote:

It pays to buy from a reputable dealer who actually checks out the boat
BEFORE the customer takes delivery.


Harry, I've have to agree that the battery could be bogus. Most
batteries come pre"charged" whick is a good deal, but I've always put
a new battery on a charger for at least a half hour before
installation. I've had brand new Delco batteries be dead right out of
the box. Some would crank a few times then just "quit".

conclusion: seperated cell.

Just because it's NEW doesn't mean it's going to be "good". That's
what warrenties are for.



Did I post anything contrary?

My dealer checked everything out prior to letting me climb aboard and
point out where I wanted X, Y, and Z installed. That included testing
the batteries.


No Harry, I never said anything like that. But stuff does just happen,
and like Richard said that batteries are strange things.

I know I jumped intot he conversation with out reading the full
thread. Glad it's ok for you John. and yes, in cold weather the
electrons don't want to move very quickly. the colder the battery the
longer the time and more amperage needed.

HK December 27th 07 05:15 PM

Battery charging problem
 
wrote:
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 08:48:33 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Harry, I've have to agree that the battery could be bogus. Most
batteries come pre"charged" whick is a good deal, but I've always put
a new battery on a charger for at least a half hour before
installation. I've had brand new Delco batteries be dead right out of
the box. Some would crank a few times then just "quit".

conclusion: seperated cell.

Just because it's NEW doesn't mean it's going to be "good". That's
what warrenties are for.


That's why I usually just buy a cheap battery from Wal-Mart. Up to two
years you could take one back with a bullet hole in it and they just
give you a new one.



Well, sure, Wal-Mart just has one of its illegal workers in the back
room shove a tubeless tire patch in the hole, wipe off the battery, and
then install it in the car of some unsuspecting motorist who brings her
car to that store for "repairs."

Reginald P. Smithers III[_4_] December 27th 07 05:35 PM

Battery charging problem
 
Eisboch wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?


If your charger is a "smart charger" meaning it will automatically go
through a 3 stage charging process, the battery may be too low initially and
the smart charger thinks there is a problem. It's a characteristic of the
charger.
A way to get around this is to initially use an old fashioned, voltage only
charger to bring the battery up to a level where the smart charger can do
it's thing.

Other possibilities is having the charger set for the wrong type of battery.
Many have settings for regular lead-acid, deep cycle, AGM, etc.

This is one reason I leave a good, "float" type maintainer on the battery
all winter, not to be confused with a "trickle" charger.

Eisboch




If I am not mistaken, the smart charger doesn't come on until the
battery has lost at least 20% of it's charge.


Don White December 27th 07 06:27 PM

Battery charging problem
 

"John H." wrote in message
...

I think you may be correct. This charger has been around for a while.
*Maybe
I owe myself a present for being a good boy*. I'm thinking of something
like
this: http://tinyurl.com/2nbjqy

But, I don't see anything there about '3 stage smart charger'.



You gotta get of that crack habit.



Eisboch December 27th 07 07:46 PM

Battery charging problem
 

"John H." wrote in message
...

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:45:49 GMT, wrote:


That's not a 3 stage smart charger. You will have a tough time
properly charging a deep cycle battery using that. Walmart sells a
smaller Schumacher "smart charger" for about $75 that is actully
pretty good. It will also properly charge AGM's and Gell Cells if you
ever have the need.


I think you may be correct. This charger has been around for a while.
Maybe
I owe myself a present for being a good boy. I'm thinking of something
like
this:
http://tinyurl.com/2nbjqy

But, I don't see anything there about '3 stage smart charger'.


A true 3 stage smart charger automatically follows an ideal charge profile
for a battery.
The first stage is a "Bulk" charge mode and the voltage is in excess of 14.5
volts. Once the battery starts building it's capacity, the charger switches
to an "Absorption" mode were the voltage is dropped to below a lead acid
boil over rate (14.4 volts). After an extended cycle in this mode the
charger switches to a "Float mode whereby it will automatically maintain the
full charge.

Some smart chargers also have an automatic "De sulfate" mode whereby if it
senses that the battery is not taking a charge due to the plates being
sulfated, it cranks the voltage up to 15 or 16 volts for a period of time,
attempting to "burn off" the sulfate from the plates. It then retries the
bulk charge mode and if the battery now responds, it continues with the
stages.

The little smart "Maintainers" also operate in different ways. Some simply
maintain a voltage below the boil over threshold. Others cycle off every
once in a while, allowing the battery to naturally discharge, then kick back
on to charge it back up.

Eisboch



Eisboch December 27th 07 07:53 PM

Battery charging problem
 

"Reginald P. Smithers III" [email protected] wrote in
message ...
Eisboch wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
I'm keeping the battery from the new boat in the garage so I can put a
charger on it every so often during the winter. The battery is a
Nautilus
Gold Marine Deep Cycle, NG-27.

Yesterday I attempted to charge the battery with an automatic charger
set
at 2 amps, 12 volt, deep cycle setting. The little green light began
blinking as though all was going well.

About 24 hours later, I noticed the little red light had come on,
indicating I should check the battery. I disconnected everything.

I'm thinking that 2 amps is not enough to charge the battery, and that I
should try it at 10 amps. But, I don't want to damage a brand new, never
used battery!

Ideas anyone?


If your charger is a "smart charger" meaning it will automatically go
through a 3 stage charging process, the battery may be too low initially
and the smart charger thinks there is a problem. It's a characteristic
of the charger.
A way to get around this is to initially use an old fashioned, voltage
only charger to bring the battery up to a level where the smart charger
can do it's thing.

Other possibilities is having the charger set for the wrong type of
battery. Many have settings for regular lead-acid, deep cycle, AGM, etc.

This is one reason I leave a good, "float" type maintainer on the battery
all winter, not to be confused with a "trickle" charger.

Eisboch




If I am not mistaken, the smart charger doesn't come on until the battery
has lost at least 20% of it's charge.


It also won't come on if the battery has dropped below a certain voltage
representing an approximate 80 percent discharge. It thinks the battery is
shot or has one or more dead cells. My experience has been that if you
think the battery is still good, hook it up to an old fashioned
conventional charger (non-smart) for about 15 minutes, then try the smart
charger again. Usually it works.

Eisboch




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