On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:37:23 -0800, Calif Bill penned the following
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:43:03 -0800, Calif Bill penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


"HK" wrote in message
om...
Maynard G. Krebbs wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:03:40 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

snippity-snip
You know all. Where did the term Redneck come from?
I'll play. From the unionizing coal miners and their red bandanas.
Mark E. Williams


No, the term probably is religious in nature, and from another country.
In
this country, it used to refer to members of the rural white workers
of the southern states.

Nope, Mark is correct. Hary, you are not very versed in mine union
history.


Mark isn't even close.... and I have no idea from whence that nonsense
issued....

the wiki reference is about spot on.....

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Trust Wikipedia? zowza.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...n17174894/pg_7



Ok.... who, pray tell, is the author of your cite? Who *is* Patrick
Huber? Is he *SO* incredibly versed that we should accept his word as
gospel... with no question? Did you notice he has *NO* citations for
his claims? Who published hi work... in fact, was it published at
all??? He might as well have said that the term was decreed by aliens.
Matter of fact, while you are at it..... why not let us all know who
and what bnet.com is...... (research center? Riiiiiiiggghhhtt..)

Wikipedia, on the other hand, offers no less than 29 citations to
support it's claims. Tell you what. Check out those 29 sources and
let me know what about Huber refutes that information.....

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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:13:04 -0000, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:27:58 -0500, BAR wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck

Even middle school kids know that Wikipedia can't be used as a source.

So don't use it, but if you search on Covenanters, you will find the
Scottish use of redneck predates ours.

Point of Order.

Would it be your opinion that the term made it's way West via the
Celtic immigrants who settled in the Appalachian (sp?) Mountains?

The way I've read it in various books here and there over the years,
the term redneck developed concurrently (parallel development) rather
than being totally attributed to the influx of Celtic Presbyterians.

In fact, one of Mrs. Wave's dissertation advisors was something of an
expert on the subject regional and ethnic identifications and has some
compelling evidence that the term "redneck" has been around for a long
time in various languages and is not particularly related to strictly
English speaking groupings. I happened to mention it to her once at a
get together and was treated to forty five minutes of non-stop
information about the whole subject. The redneck thing came up as an
example.

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:13:04 -0000, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:27:58 -0500, BAR wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck

Even middle school kids know that Wikipedia can't be used as a source.

So don't use it, but if you search on Covenanters, you will find the
Scottish use of redneck predates ours.

Oh, and I forgot to mention...

Jeff Gordon is still gay. :)

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:28:10 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:13:04 -0000, wrote:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:27:58 -0500, BAR wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck

Even middle school kids know that Wikipedia can't be used as a source.

So don't use it, but if you search on Covenanters, you will find the
Scottish use of redneck predates ours.

Point of Order.

Would it be your opinion that the term made it's way West via the
Celtic immigrants who settled in the Appalachian (sp?) Mountains?

The way I've read it in various books here and there over the years,
the term redneck developed concurrently (parallel development) rather
than being totally attributed to the influx of Celtic Presbyterians.

In fact, one of Mrs. Wave's dissertation advisors was something of an
expert on the subject regional and ethnic identifications and has some
compelling evidence that the term "redneck" has been around for a long
time in various languages and is not particularly related to strictly
English speaking groupings. I happened to mention it to her once at a
get together and was treated to forty five minutes of non-stop
information about the whole subject. The redneck thing came up as an
example.

Forgot to mention this - the color red is often used as an indentifier
(scarfes, arm bands, war paint, etc.) in periods of rebellion. So it
would make sense that the term would spontaneously appear as a result
- not necessarily because of a religious disagreement.

Then again, we are talking about Celts. :)

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:28:10 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


Would it be your opinion that the term made it's way West via the Celtic
immigrants who settled in the Appalachian (sp?) Mountains?

The way I've read it in various books here and there over the years, the
term redneck developed concurrently (parallel development) rather than
being totally attributed to the influx of Celtic Presbyterians.

My guess is that you are correct, but attributing the term to the United
Mine Workers in the early Twentieth Century, is clearly not correct. The
term was used earlier on both sides of the pond.




In fact, one of Mrs. Wave's dissertation advisors was something of an
expert on the subject regional and ethnic identifications and has some
compelling evidence that the term "redneck" has been around for a long
time in various languages and is not particularly related to strictly
English speaking groupings. I happened to mention it to her once at a
get together and was treated to forty five minutes of non-stop
information about the whole subject. The redneck thing came up as an
example.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:37:23 -0800, Calif Bill penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:43:03 -0800, Calif Bill penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


"HK" wrote in message
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Maynard G. Krebbs wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:03:40 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

snippity-snip
You know all. Where did the term Redneck come from?
I'll play. From the unionizing coal miners and their red bandanas.
Mark E. Williams


No, the term probably is religious in nature, and from another
country.
In
this country, it used to refer to members of the rural white workers
of the southern states.

Nope, Mark is correct. Hary, you are not very versed in mine union
history.


Mark isn't even close.... and I have no idea from whence that nonsense
issued....

the wiki reference is about spot on.....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
-----------------
www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed*
Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road
-----------------

Trust Wikipedia? zowza.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...n17174894/pg_7



Ok.... who, pray tell, is the author of your cite? Who *is* Patrick
Huber? Is he *SO* incredibly versed that we should accept his word as
gospel... with no question? Did you notice he has *NO* citations for
his claims? Who published hi work... in fact, was it published at
all??? He might as well have said that the term was decreed by aliens.
Matter of fact, while you are at it..... why not let us all know who
and what bnet.com is...... (research center? Riiiiiiiggghhhtt..)

Wikipedia, on the other hand, offers no less than 29 citations to
support it's claims. Tell you what. Check out those 29 sources and
let me know what about Huber refutes that information.....

--

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/

Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
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You gay to? ;)

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:27:58 -0500, BAR penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:43:03 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


No, the term probably is religious in nature, and from another
country.
In this country, it used to refer to members of the rural white
workers
of the southern states.
Nope, Mark is correct. Hary, you are not very versed in mine union
history.
Uh, Harry is correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck
Even middle school kids know that Wikipedia can't be used as a source.

Maybe when *you* were in school.....


Who ****ed in your cup?



How far did you get in school, Bart?

Far enough to earn more money than you.

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:27:58 -0500, BAR penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:43:03 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


No, the term probably is religious in nature, and from another
country.
In this country, it used to refer to members of the rural white
workers
of the southern states.
Nope, Mark is correct. Hary, you are not very versed in mine union
history.
Uh, Harry is correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck
Even middle school kids know that Wikipedia can't be used as a source.

Maybe when *you* were in school.....


Who ****ed in your cup?



How far did you get in school, Bart?

Far enough to earn more money than you.


You've been claiming that for years, Bertie. I'm sure you believe it,
too. So, do you have a GED, at least?

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:27:58 -0500, BAR penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:43:03 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


No, the term probably is religious in nature, and from another
country.
In this country, it used to refer to members of the rural white
workers
of the southern states.
Nope, Mark is correct. Hary, you are not very versed in mine union
history.
Uh, Harry is correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck
Even middle school kids know that Wikipedia can't be used as a
source.

Maybe when *you* were in school.....


Who ****ed in your cup?



How far did you get in school, Bart?

Far enough to earn more money than you.


You've been claiming that for years, Bertie. I'm sure you believe it,
too. So, do you have a GED, at least?

It is not a claim Harry, it is the truth. Why don't you check your
dossier on me to find the information you ask seek.

BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:27:58 -0500, BAR penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:43:03 -0800, Calif Bill wrote:


No, the term probably is religious in nature, and from another
country.
In this country, it used to refer to members of the rural
white workers
of the southern states.
Nope, Mark is correct. Hary, you are not very versed in mine
union
history.
Uh, Harry is correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck
Even middle school kids know that Wikipedia can't be used as a
source.

Maybe when *you* were in school.....


Who ****ed in your cup?



How far did you get in school, Bart?

Far enough to earn more money than you.


You've been claiming that for years, Bertie. I'm sure you believe it,
too. So, do you have a GED, at least?

It is not a claim Harry, it is the truth. Why don't you check your
dossier on me to find the information you ask seek.


Uh-huh.