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On Dec 17, 1:18 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... On the other hand, if I could get out of my lease early, I'd buy one of the regular cab EF? 4 cylinder manual versions they're selling here for less than $13K. My towing needs are pretty modest now with the aluminum Princecraft. Speaking of Rangers, I am seriously thinking of taking the hit and trading mine back for a full sized truck again. I had determined that I really didn't need the last one I had, a Ford F-350 PS diesel and traded it for the '07 Ranger "Level II" 4x4. Although it's a nice little truck and is adequately powered with the 4.0L V6, I still miss the oomph of a V8 or diesel. It also gets about the same mpg as the F-350 diesel, in fact if anything, it gets slightly less miles per gallon overall. With it's small fuel tank it seems like I am always looking for a gas station. The F-350 was good for over 400 miles per tank. Economy wise, the two trucks are probably equal since diesel is more expensive than gas. My son, who had a F-250 with the gas guzzling V10, traded it for a F-150 4x4 with the smaller V8. I rode it in the other day and was very impressed with it's ride, room and power. My brother has a newer Ram 1500 4x4 which also is a nice riding truck although the gas mileage of the mini-hemi leaves something to be desired. I am also going to checkout the GMC trucks, only because I've never had one. Eisboch What cracks me up is these 150 class trucks with the huge tires and lift kits sitting two feet off the ground from the factory. As if these white collar weenies around here were gonna' take em' off road. Even worse is a clean Hummer, what a frekin' waste. The one constant there was in the paint of all my jeeps was scratches ;) |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. John H. wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:50:13 -0500, HK wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:18:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... On the other hand, if I could get out of my lease early, I'd buy one of the regular cab EF? 4 cylinder manual versions they're selling here for less than $13K. My towing needs are pretty modest now with the aluminum Princecraft. Speaking of Rangers, I am seriously thinking of taking the hit and trading mine back for a full sized truck again. I had determined that I really didn't need the last one I had, a Ford F-350 PS diesel and traded it for the '07 Ranger "Level II" 4x4. Although it's a nice little truck and is adequately powered with the 4.0L V6, I still miss the oomph of a V8 or diesel. It also gets about the same mpg as the F-350 diesel, in fact if anything, it gets slightly less miles per gallon overall. With it's small fuel tank it seems like I am always looking for a gas station. The F-350 was good for over 400 miles per tank. Economy wise, the two trucks are probably equal since diesel is more expensive than gas. My son, who had a F-250 with the gas guzzling V10, traded it for a F-150 4x4 with the smaller V8. I rode it in the other day and was very impressed with it's ride, room and power. My brother has a newer Ram 1500 4x4 which also is a nice riding truck although the gas mileage of the mini-hemi leaves something to be desired. I am also going to checkout the GMC trucks, only because I've never had one. Eisboch Check out the new Tundras. Smoooooooooth. Two different V8s, including the same one I have in my 4Runner. Trouble free, quiet, comfy. Much more refined on the inside than the Ford or GM trucks. A Tundra may be in my future. In addition to the 4Runner? Once you start, you can't stop. They're worse than potato chips. Now that the auto people are starting to acknowledge the strength of the loonie vs. the yankee dollah, I could lease a regular cab 2x4 Tundra for $20.00 more per month than my Ranger. That's the truck I wanted in the first place before they ruined it by American sizing it. A lot of us city people don't want or need a honking big truck to run around town. The smaller Toyota trucks look pretty nice, too. Never owned one, but there are lots around, plain and fancy. I checked out the Tacoma a couple of years ago but didn't like the cab. Seemed like the roof was too low over your head and it had a closed in feel. Also..they only come in an extended cab version.... no regular cabs. |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:36:13 -0500, HK wrote:
John H. wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:50:13 -0500, HK wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:18:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... On the other hand, if I could get out of my lease early, I'd buy one of the regular cab EF? 4 cylinder manual versions they're selling here for less than $13K. My towing needs are pretty modest now with the aluminum Princecraft. Speaking of Rangers, I am seriously thinking of taking the hit and trading mine back for a full sized truck again. I had determined that I really didn't need the last one I had, a Ford F-350 PS diesel and traded it for the '07 Ranger "Level II" 4x4. Although it's a nice little truck and is adequately powered with the 4.0L V6, I still miss the oomph of a V8 or diesel. It also gets about the same mpg as the F-350 diesel, in fact if anything, it gets slightly less miles per gallon overall. With it's small fuel tank it seems like I am always looking for a gas station. The F-350 was good for over 400 miles per tank. Economy wise, the two trucks are probably equal since diesel is more expensive than gas. My son, who had a F-250 with the gas guzzling V10, traded it for a F-150 4x4 with the smaller V8. I rode it in the other day and was very impressed with it's ride, room and power. My brother has a newer Ram 1500 4x4 which also is a nice riding truck although the gas mileage of the mini-hemi leaves something to be desired. I am also going to checkout the GMC trucks, only because I've never had one. Eisboch Check out the new Tundras. Smoooooooooth. Two different V8s, including the same one I have in my 4Runner. Trouble free, quiet, comfy. Much more refined on the inside than the Ford or GM trucks. A Tundra may be in my future. In addition to the 4Runner? Once you start, you can't stop. They're worse than potato chips. No, I'd probably trade the 4Runner for it. I'm missing my pickup fiercely, although I do like the 4Runner. I may just get a trailer. We'll see what we move into when we move. -- John H |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:18:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
I am also going to checkout the GMC trucks, only because I've never had one. Take a ride in a Tundra also. I think you'll be impressed. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:18:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... On the other hand, if I could get out of my lease early, I'd buy one of the regular cab EF? 4 cylinder manual versions they're selling here for less than $13K. My towing needs are pretty modest now with the aluminum Princecraft. Speaking of Rangers, I am seriously thinking of taking the hit and trading mine back for a full sized truck again. I had determined that I really didn't need the last one I had, a Ford F-350 PS diesel and traded it for the '07 Ranger "Level II" 4x4. Although it's a nice little truck and is adequately powered with the 4.0L V6, I still miss the oomph of a V8 or diesel. It also gets about the same mpg as the F-350 diesel, in fact if anything, it gets slightly less miles per gallon overall. With it's small fuel tank it seems like I am always looking for a gas station. The F-350 was good for over 400 miles per tank. Economy wise, the two trucks are probably equal since diesel is more expensive than gas. My son, who had a F-250 with the gas guzzling V10, traded it for a F-150 4x4 with the smaller V8. I rode it in the other day and was very impressed with it's ride, room and power. My brother has a newer Ram 1500 4x4 which also is a nice riding truck although the gas mileage of the mini-hemi leaves something to be desired. I am also going to checkout the GMC trucks, only because I've never had one. Eisboch Check out the new Tundras. Smoooooooooth. Two different V8s, including the same one I have in my 4Runner. Trouble free, quiet, comfy. Much more refined on the inside than the Ford or GM trucks. My 2004 Chevy 2500 is more refined than my S-I-L's Tundra. Rides nicer also. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message . .. Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. John H. wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:50:13 -0500, HK wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:18:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... On the other hand, if I could get out of my lease early, I'd buy one of the regular cab EF? 4 cylinder manual versions they're selling here for less than $13K. My towing needs are pretty modest now with the aluminum Princecraft. Speaking of Rangers, I am seriously thinking of taking the hit and trading mine back for a full sized truck again. I had determined that I really didn't need the last one I had, a Ford F-350 PS diesel and traded it for the '07 Ranger "Level II" 4x4. Although it's a nice little truck and is adequately powered with the 4.0L V6, I still miss the oomph of a V8 or diesel. It also gets about the same mpg as the F-350 diesel, in fact if anything, it gets slightly less miles per gallon overall. With it's small fuel tank it seems like I am always looking for a gas station. The F-350 was good for over 400 miles per tank. Economy wise, the two trucks are probably equal since diesel is more expensive than gas. My son, who had a F-250 with the gas guzzling V10, traded it for a F-150 4x4 with the smaller V8. I rode it in the other day and was very impressed with it's ride, room and power. My brother has a newer Ram 1500 4x4 which also is a nice riding truck although the gas mileage of the mini-hemi leaves something to be desired. I am also going to checkout the GMC trucks, only because I've never had one. Eisboch Check out the new Tundras. Smoooooooooth. Two different V8s, including the same one I have in my 4Runner. Trouble free, quiet, comfy. Much more refined on the inside than the Ford or GM trucks. A Tundra may be in my future. In addition to the 4Runner? Once you start, you can't stop. They're worse than potato chips. Now that the auto people are starting to acknowledge the strength of the loonie vs. the yankee dollah, I could lease a regular cab 2x4 Tundra for $20.00 more per month than my Ranger. That's the truck I wanted in the first place before they ruined it by American sizing it. A lot of us city people don't want or need a honking big truck to run around town. The smaller Toyota trucks look pretty nice, too. Never owned one, but there are lots around, plain and fancy. I checked out the Tacoma a couple of years ago but didn't like the cab. Seemed like the roof was too low over your head and it had a closed in feel. Also..they only come in an extended cab version.... no regular cabs. Regular cabs sux. Last regular cab pickup I had was a Chevy LUV in about 1977 or so. No room inside to put extra stuff that you do not want in the weather or to lock up. The extra 18" or so for an extended cab is worth it. The Tacoma's are nice. One of my S-I-L's has a 2006 and he is 6'3" and has no problem with the height. |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:05:15 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote: My 2004 Chevy 2500 is more refined than my S-I-L's Tundra. Rides nicer also. Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:40:26 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:05:15 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: My 2004 Chevy 2500 is more refined than my S-I-L's Tundra. Rides nicer also. Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:40:26 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:05:15 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: My 2004 Chevy 2500 is more refined than my S-I-L's Tundra. Rides nicer also. Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. GMC - SLT (high end) crew cab - http://tinyurl.com/2xth8l Tundra - Limited (high end) crew cab - http://tinyurl.com/2vxdbk Not a whole lot of price difference there. -- John H |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive product. This time I mean it. :-) |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:47:47 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:40:26 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:05:15 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: My 2004 Chevy 2500 is more refined than my S-I-L's Tundra. Rides nicer also. Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. GMC - SLT (high end) crew cab - http://tinyurl.com/2xth8l Tundra - Limited (high end) crew cab - http://tinyurl.com/2vxdbk Not a whole lot of price difference there. I have spent two weeks looking at new trucks. Similarily equipped trucks, Tundra's are $8/10K above Fords, Chevys or Dodges. That assumes that you can find a similarily equipped Tundra which you can't. |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:22 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive product. This time I mean it. :-) Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150. As in VERY disappointed. However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of $13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft, transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. And gave me a full 100,000 mile transferable drivetrain warranty in the bargin. Can't complain about their service. |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:37:04 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: I have spent two weeks looking at new trucks. Similarily equipped trucks, Tundra's are $8/10K above Fords, Chevys or Dodges. Look at TCO - Total Cost of Ownership. Here's another angle: Since the residual value of the Tundra is so much higher, they should be cheaper to lease. That's the way to go if you want a new one every 3 years. |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:41:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive product. This time I mean it. :-) Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150. As in VERY disappointed. However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of $13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft, transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. Good grief. I rest my case. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150. As in VERY disappointed. However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of $13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft, transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. And gave me a full 100,000 mile transferable drivetrain warranty in the bargin. Can't complain about their service. Good Lord! That much trouble with a New truck??? my merc wagon is a 1990 with 157,000 mi. I tow a 23' cuddie with it and haven't had any of that stuff go wrong (yet) Does Ford put out that big of a POS now? |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:08:59 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:41:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive product. This time I mean it. :-) Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150. As in VERY disappointed. However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of $13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft, transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. Good grief. I rest my case. The truck just doesn't have the power to properly tow my boat - can't figure it out. Power on the original engine was down - couldn't figure out why. So they replaced the entire drive train and changed the rear end ratio. It improved, but not significantly. Oddly, the exact same package in the FX4 edition, tows just fine. Go figure. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:22 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive product. This time I mean it. :-) Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150. As in VERY disappointed. However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of $13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft, transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. And gave me a full 100,000 mile transferable drivetrain warranty in the bargin. Can't complain about their service. What happened to it? I've had mine for 6 years now, even rearranged the right front end and it is still running just like a new truck, except for the valves tapping a bit. |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:37:04 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:47:47 -0500, John H. wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:40:26 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:05:15 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: My 2004 Chevy 2500 is more refined than my S-I-L's Tundra. Rides nicer also. Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. GMC - SLT (high end) crew cab - http://tinyurl.com/2xth8l Tundra - Limited (high end) crew cab - http://tinyurl.com/2vxdbk Not a whole lot of price difference there. I have spent two weeks looking at new trucks. Similarily equipped trucks, Tundra's are $8/10K above Fords, Chevys or Dodges. That assumes that you can find a similarily equipped Tundra which you can't. Don't know what you mean by similarly equipped. The two above are similarly equipped. -- John H |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:30:23 -0500, BAR wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:22 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive product. This time I mean it. :-) Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150. As in VERY disappointed. However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of $13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft, transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. And gave me a full 100,000 mile transferable drivetrain warranty in the bargin. Can't complain about their service. What happened to it? I've had mine for 6 years now, even rearranged the right front end and it is still running just like a new truck, except for the valves tapping a bit. I have no idea. Apparently, neither do they. :) |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:40:26 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:05:15 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: My 2004 Chevy 2500 is more refined than my S-I-L's Tundra. Rides nicer also. Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. Since mine is a diesel, the resale may hold up better. Lots of the resale is the past history of Toyota longevity. Toyota's are a well built vehicle. Handle bad, but they will last a long time. Toyota is not a car company, they are a manufacturing company, and they understand how to build something for longevity, but most of that comes from not changing things much. You can swap the engine in a Toyota Pickup mechanically (mounts, etc) probably in a 15 year+ range. But as Tom said. They are overpriced. My 2004 crew cab diesel pickup lists for $45,000. My daughters 2006 Sequoia costs more. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:59:47 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:22 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive product. This time I mean it. :-) Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150. As in VERY disappointed. However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of $13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft, transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. And gave me a full 100,000 mile transferable drivetrain warranty in the bargin. Can't complain about their service. OK, besides the obvious, how was everything else with the F150? Fine - can't complain. Leather interior, audio system, moonroof, very comfortable - all digital this and that - plenty of interior room, drives great, handles well in bad weather. It just doens't have any power - and I've got the 5.4 thingy doer with the plow/tow package. Oddly, that same package in the FX4 edition, tows my boat just fine - no problem. It's totally wierd. Maybe it is a California Engine. My 99 Expedition was a dog. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:30:23 -0500, BAR wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:22 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive product. This time I mean it. :-) Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150. As in VERY disappointed. However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of $13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft, transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. And gave me a full 100,000 mile transferable drivetrain warranty in the bargin. Can't complain about their service. What happened to it? I've had mine for 6 years now, even rearranged the right front end and it is still running just like a new truck, except for the valves tapping a bit. I have no idea. Apparently, neither do they. :) Do you guys have a 'lemon law' down there? Would they ever replace the truck if they can't fix it? |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:19:29 -0400, "Don White"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:30:23 -0500, BAR wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:22 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive product. This time I mean it. :-) Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150. As in VERY disappointed. However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of $13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft, transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. And gave me a full 100,000 mile transferable drivetrain warranty in the bargin. Can't complain about their service. What happened to it? I've had mine for 6 years now, even rearranged the right front end and it is still running just like a new truck, except for the valves tapping a bit. I have no idea. Apparently, neither do they. :) Do you guys have a 'lemon law' down there? Would they ever replace the truck if they can't fix it? Yep, but it has to be through an arbitration process and, to be frank, by the time I finished, the truck would have a zillion miles and wouldn't be worth squat. I'm currently eyeing a 2000 F-350 with the 7.3 that has 200,000 on it. The price is right and it wouldn't cost me anything to run it just towing the boat. |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:15:33 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:59:47 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:22 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive product. This time I mean it. :-) Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150. As in VERY disappointed. However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of $13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft, transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. And gave me a full 100,000 mile transferable drivetrain warranty in the bargin. Can't complain about their service. OK, besides the obvious, how was everything else with the F150? Fine - can't complain. Leather interior, audio system, moonroof, very comfortable - all digital this and that - plenty of interior room, drives great, handles well in bad weather. It just doens't have any power - and I've got the 5.4 thingy doer with the plow/tow package. Oddly, that same package in the FX4 edition, tows my boat just fine - no problem. It's totally wierd. Maybe it is a California Engine. My 99 Expedition was a dog. You know, I didn't think of that. Hmmmm.... |
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On Dec 17, 6:29 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:15:33 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:59:47 -0500, " JimH" ask wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:22 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:34:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. IMHO money well spent if you plan on keeping it for a while. The increased reliability alone is worth quite a bit to me. Several times I have resolved to never again own an american made automotive product. This time I mean it. :-) Well, I will say that I am really disappointed in my new F-150. As in VERY disappointed. However, to Ford's credit, they have stood behind it to the tune of $13,000 worth of new drive train - engine, transmission, drive shaft, transfer case and rear end. Plus new cat converters. And gave me a full 100,000 mile transferable drivetrain warranty in the bargin. Can't complain about their service. OK, besides the obvious, how was everything else with the F150? Fine - can't complain. Leather interior, audio system, moonroof, very comfortable - all digital this and that - plenty of interior room, drives great, handles well in bad weather. It just doens't have any power - and I've got the 5.4 thingy doer with the plow/tow package. Oddly, that same package in the FX4 edition, tows my boat just fine - no problem. It's totally wierd. Maybe it is a California Engine. My 99 Expedition was a dog. You know, I didn't think of that. Hmmmm....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - might be just the thing for a performance chip in the computer. Maybe Bill is right. but the dealer ought to be able to do some tricks to the trucks onboard computer by using their laptop. Amazing what one can do with electronics nowdays. |
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HK wrote:
John H. wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:50:13 -0500, HK wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:18:00 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... On the other hand, if I could get out of my lease early, I'd buy one of the regular cab EF? 4 cylinder manual versions they're selling here for less than $13K. My towing needs are pretty modest now with the aluminum Princecraft. Speaking of Rangers, I am seriously thinking of taking the hit and trading mine back for a full sized truck again. I had determined that I really didn't need the last one I had, a Ford F-350 PS diesel and traded it for the '07 Ranger "Level II" 4x4. Although it's a nice little truck and is adequately powered with the 4.0L V6, I still miss the oomph of a V8 or diesel. It also gets about the same mpg as the F-350 diesel, in fact if anything, it gets slightly less miles per gallon overall. With it's small fuel tank it seems like I am always looking for a gas station. The F-350 was good for over 400 miles per tank. Economy wise, the two trucks are probably equal since diesel is more expensive than gas. My son, who had a F-250 with the gas guzzling V10, traded it for a F-150 4x4 with the smaller V8. I rode it in the other day and was very impressed with it's ride, room and power. My brother has a newer Ram 1500 4x4 which also is a nice riding truck although the gas mileage of the mini-hemi leaves something to be desired. I am also going to checkout the GMC trucks, only because I've never had one. Eisboch Check out the new Tundras. Smoooooooooth. Two different V8s, including the same one I have in my 4Runner. Trouble free, quiet, comfy. Much more refined on the inside than the Ford or GM trucks. A Tundra may be in my future. In addition to the 4Runner? Once you start, you can't stop. They're worse than potato chips. If you mean buying non-union made products you are 100% correct! |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:40:26 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:05:15 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: My 2004 Chevy 2500 is more refined than my S-I-L's Tundra. Rides nicer also. Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. Since mine is a diesel, the resale may hold up better. Lots of the resale is the past history of Toyota longevity. Toyota's are a well built vehicle. Handle bad, but they will last a long time. Toyota is not a car company, they are a manufacturing company, and they understand how to build something for longevity, but most of that comes from not changing things much. You can swap the engine in a Toyota Pickup mechanically (mounts, etc) probably in a 15 year+ range. But as Tom said. They are overpriced. My 2004 crew cab diesel pickup lists for $45,000. My daughters 2006 Sequoia costs more. Many of the older Toyota seen around these parts (northeast) suffer from severe rusting, particularly in the bed, side walls and wheel cutouts. I don't know how the newer models hold up. You still see many more older Ford and Chevy/GMC trucks on the road than you see older Toyotas, if that means anything. Eisboch |
For Jim H
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:15:33 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: It just doens't have any power - and I've got the 5.4 thingy doer with the plow/tow package. Oddly, that same package in the FX4 edition, tows my boat just fine - no problem. It's totally wierd. Maybe it is a California Engine. My 99 Expedition was a dog. You know, I didn't think of that. Hmmmm.... That's a real possibility, Tom. Some vehicle inventory in this area *are* equipped with California emissions. Even the new Harley-Davidsons touring bikes are subject to California emission standards which is controlled by the vehicle's computer. The 2007 models came with or without in this area and when I bought mine it fortunately came "without". Those equipped with the CA systems are reported to be dogs and run hot. Eisboch |
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:52:49 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:40:26 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:05:15 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: My 2004 Chevy 2500 is more refined than my S-I-L's Tundra. Rides nicer also. Maybe but the Tundra will last a lot longer and have more resale value. Which is the result of costing $10,000 more than a similarly equipped Ford, Chevy or Dodge. Since mine is a diesel, the resale may hold up better. Lots of the resale is the past history of Toyota longevity. Toyota's are a well built vehicle. Handle bad, but they will last a long time. Toyota is not a car company, they are a manufacturing company, and they understand how to build something for longevity, but most of that comes from not changing things much. You can swap the engine in a Toyota Pickup mechanically (mounts, etc) probably in a 15 year+ range. But as Tom said. They are overpriced. My 2004 crew cab diesel pickup lists for $45,000. My daughters 2006 Sequoia costs more. Many of the older Toyota seen around these parts (northeast) suffer from severe rusting, particularly in the bed, side walls and wheel cutouts. I don't know how the newer models hold up. You still see many more older Ford and Chevy/GMC trucks on the road than you see older Toyotas, if that means anything. I look at it this way - until that Camray was produced, Toyota didn't have much of a reputation for "quality". My oldest's Camray slipped on some ice as I was following him to a friend's house to deliver a half cord of wood - he just kissed, and I mean as in no paint left on the guard rail he hit and he couldn't have been going more than 5 mph - $4K worth of damage iincluding a bent wheel which needed replacement. They may be quality, but they are still being made cheap. |
For Jim H
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 01:52:49 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
Many of the older Toyota seen around these parts (northeast) suffer from severe rusting, particularly in the bed, side walls and wheel cutouts. I don't know how the newer models hold up. My Tundra is a 2002 model year purchased in the fall of 2001. Before we moved to FL I used to take it out 4 wheeling on the Long Island south shore beaches all the time, as well as drive it on salt covered roads in the winter, and trailer launch in salt water. There is no rust anywhere. You still see many more older Ford and Chevy/GMC trucks on the road than you see older Toyotas, if that means anything. There have been a lot more of them sold over the years. |
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:13:39 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: I look at it this way - until that Camray was produced, Toyota didn't have much of a reputation for "quality". My oldest's Camray slipped on some ice as I was following him to a friend's house to deliver a half cord of wood - he just kissed, and I mean as in no paint left on the guard rail he hit and he couldn't have been going more than 5 mph - $4K worth of damage iincluding a bent wheel which needed replacement. They may be quality, but they are still being made cheap. My youngest son is driving my old '92 Camry. Over 200K miles, no major repairs other than brakes and struts. Most of those miles were commuting through NY/NJ rush hour traffic. |
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