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Videopalooza - plane bird strike
It's kind of long, but the radio traffic is interesting...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhZw...eature=related I also find this one hard to believe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR4KA...eature=related |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
It's kind of long, but the radio traffic is interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhZw...eature=related I am impressed with how cool everyone was. I also find this one hard to believe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR4KA...eature=related The video was boring, but the commentator was funny. I could not believe the off color jokes he was telling. |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... It's kind of long, but the radio traffic is interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhZw...eature=related I also find this one hard to believe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR4KA...eature=related You shuda seen me learning how to fly and land at Plymouth airport. It would make a believer out of you. Meanwhile, why anybody wants to voluntarily fly commercial today is beyond me. Eisboch |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... It's kind of long, but the radio traffic is interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhZw...eature=related I will never understand why such a powerful engine should be disturbed by eating a bird. OK...not "never", but right now, I don't understand. |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... It's kind of long, but the radio traffic is interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhZw...eature=related I will never understand why such a powerful engine should be disturbed by eating a bird. OK...not "never", but right now, I don't understand. In 1983 the company I worked for received a contract to design and build a vacuum coating system to deposit thin film strain gauges and thermocouples (temperature monitoring instrumentation) on the fan blades used on Pratt and Whitney jet engines. When the system was delivered to Florida (ironically only about 15 miles from where we had a house down there a many years later) I went down to supervise the start-up and commissioning of the system. I got a tour of the P&W's facility. One room was particularly interesting. About 20 people sat at workstations, holding and gently feeling the fan blades that are part of the compression stage of a jet engine. The engineer who was giving me the tour explained that all the people in the room were blind. They were using their extraordinary sense of "feel" to inspect the cast and machined blades for any irregularities because a minor defect could lead to a catastrophic engine failure. Eisboch |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"Eisboch" wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... It's kind of long, but the radio traffic is interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhZw...eature=related I will never understand why such a powerful engine should be disturbed by eating a bird. OK...not "never", but right now, I don't understand. In 1983 the company I worked for received a contract to design and build a vacuum coating system to deposit thin film strain gauges and thermocouples (temperature monitoring instrumentation) on the fan blades used on Pratt and Whitney jet engines. When the system was delivered to Florida (ironically only about 15 miles from where we had a house down there a many years later) I went down to supervise the start-up and commissioning of the system. I got a tour of the P&W's facility. One room was particularly interesting. About 20 people sat at workstations, holding and gently feeling the fan blades that are part of the compression stage of a jet engine. The engineer who was giving me the tour explained that all the people in the room were blind. They were using their extraordinary sense of "feel" to inspect the cast and machined blades for any irregularities because a minor defect could lead to a catastrophic engine failure. Eisboch That really makes me want to fly. Not. I used to love it, but I have issues with companies that always seem to be in chapter 11 or some other state of malaise, like labor problems. I compare this to what I see my obsessive-compulsive car mechanic does, and it makes me say no thanks. |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... In 1983 the company I worked for received a contract to design and build a vacuum coating system to deposit thin film strain gauges and thermocouples (temperature monitoring instrumentation) on the fan blades used on Pratt and Whitney jet engines. When the system was delivered to Florida (ironically only about 15 miles from where we had a house down there a many years later) I went down to supervise the start-up and commissioning of the system. I got a tour of the P&W's facility. One room was particularly interesting. About 20 people sat at workstations, holding and gently feeling the fan blades that are part of the compression stage of a jet engine. The engineer who was giving me the tour explained that all the people in the room were blind. They were using their extraordinary sense of "feel" to inspect the cast and machined blades for any irregularities because a minor defect could lead to a catastrophic engine failure. Eisboch That really makes me want to fly. Not. I used to love it, but I have issues with companies that always seem to be in chapter 11 or some other state of malaise, like labor problems. I compare this to what I see my obsessive-compulsive car mechanic does, and it makes me say no thanks. Well, just remember, that was in 1983 .... 24 years ago. Now-a-days with sighted inspectors, I am sure the quality control has gone downhill. Eisboch |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... It's kind of long, but the radio traffic is interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhZw...eature=related I also find this one hard to believe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR4KA...eature=related You shuda seen me learning how to fly and land at Plymouth airport. It would make a believer out of you. Meanwhile, why anybody wants to voluntarily fly commercial today is beyond me. Eisboch Cause I can not afford both a boat and an airplane. When I bought my boat, the guy was selling it because he bought an airplane. |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... I keep seeing that lame airbus crap.... here is how a REAL airplane handles a crosswind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOxo0s33sI I don't get it. When I was first learning to fly, the initial, basic technique taught was crabbing, like those shown in the video. Later, we were taught to dip the aircraft into to the crosswind, in a balanced turn offset by the effects of the crosswind, and the approach was normal to the runway. Then again, I am not a super experienced pilot, so maybe there's something going on here that I don't understand. But ... I'll always remember ... any landing that you can walk away from was a good one! Eisboch |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:04:43 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote: I keep seeing that lame airbus crap.... here is how a REAL airplane handles a crosswind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOxo0s33sI It's interesting to watch the different styles of the pilots, with some straightening out just prior to touchdown, and some just after. Tricky stuff with no second chances. You can see the rudder movement on a couple of the landings. |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:04:43 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: I keep seeing that lame airbus crap.... here is how a REAL airplane handles a crosswind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOxo0s33sI It's interesting to watch the different styles of the pilots, with some straightening out just prior to touchdown, and some just after. Tricky stuff with no second chances. You can see the rudder movement on a couple of the landings. I don't think those landings are representative of how you are *supposed* to do it. They should be coming in straight, and aligned with the runway, but the airplane should be banked over as if in a turn. The ailerons, combined with rudder are used to offset the force of the crosswind. That's the plan, at least. Eisboch |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:08:59 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
I don't think those landings are representative of how you are *supposed* to do it. They should be coming in straight, and aligned with the runway, but the airplane should be banked over as if in a turn. The ailerons, combined with rudder are used to offset the force of the crosswind. That's the plan, at least. That sounds about right for smaller planes but I am no expert. I'm wondering if the technique for larger planes is somewhat different? |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:04:43 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: I keep seeing that lame airbus crap.... here is how a REAL airplane handles a crosswind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOxo0s33sI It's interesting to watch the different styles of the pilots, with some straightening out just prior to touchdown, and some just after. Tricky stuff with no second chances. You can see the rudder movement on a couple of the landings. I don't think those landings are representative of how you are *supposed* to do it. They should be coming in straight, and aligned with the runway, but the airplane should be banked over as if in a turn. The ailerons, combined with rudder are used to offset the force of the crosswind. That's the plan, at least. Eisboch Prolly a dumb question but doesn't one wing drop pretty low during that manouver? |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"Jim" me @nothere.net wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... I don't think those landings are representative of how you are *supposed* to do it. They should be coming in straight, and aligned with the runway, but the airplane should be banked over as if in a turn. The ailerons, combined with rudder are used to offset the force of the crosswind. That's the plan, at least. Eisboch Prolly a dumb question but doesn't one wing drop pretty low during that manouver? It does, but you level off as you "hit the numbers" on the runway. I recall being taught to "plant" the aircraft with authority on one set of the landing wheels as you touched down, then allow the other side to touch down as speed bleeds off while still holding the nose up. It takes a bit of combined aileron and rudder application and practice and is a more advanced technique as compared to crabbing the airplane in a controlled "slip" which is taught initially. It's been a while, so I may not have described this perfectly. I remember flying on a large, commercial flight from Boston to O'Hare around the time I was taking flight instruction. There were some very strong crosswinds as we approached the runway in final and I noted how the pilot was making his approach. The airplane was banked significantly to counteract the crosswind. He landed on one side of the landing gear with the wing still dipped much lower than the other. He smacked it down hard enough for many of the oxygen mask compartments to pop open and several women started screaming. As we taxied to the ramp some people were making comments about it being a "lousy" landing and how the pilot screwed up. Having a little bit of knowledge of what he was doing, I was impressed and congratulated him as we departed the plane. He gave a grin and wink. Eisboch |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Jim" me @nothere.net wrote in message ... I don't think those landings are representative of how you are *supposed* to do it. They should be coming in straight, and aligned with the runway, but the airplane should be banked over as if in a turn. The ailerons, combined with rudder are used to offset the force of the crosswind. That's the plan, at least. Eisboch Prolly a dumb question but doesn't one wing drop pretty low during that manouver? Here's a great tutorial on crosswind landings. Although written for a simulator, the methods described are accurate. Both methods are described, dipping and crabbing. http://stoenworks.com/Tutorials/Cros...0Landings.html Eisboch |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:28:19 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | |"Gene Kearns" wrote in message .. . | | I keep seeing that lame airbus crap.... here is how a REAL airplane | handles a crosswind: | | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOxo0s33sI | | | |I don't get it. | |When I was first learning to fly, the initial, basic technique taught was |crabbing, like those shown in the video. |Later, we were taught to dip the aircraft into to the crosswind, in a |balanced turn offset by the effects of the crosswind, and the approach was |normal to the runway. | |Then again, I am not a super experienced pilot, so maybe there's something |going on here that I don't understand. | |But ... I'll always remember ... any landing that you can walk away from was |a good one! | |Eisboch | Maybe they have X-wind landing gear? Check out Figure 12-11 http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-468/ch12-3.htm Breeze exceeds demonstrated crosswind component and An Oh, **** moment.... http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...21_landing.wmv Good X-wind at Kai Tak http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...%20Landing.mpg This stuff happens at takeoff, too. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f833aa0b9a A breezy day on the continent http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dcb9946108 -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:28:19 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |I don't get it. | |When I was first learning to fly, the initial, basic technique taught was |crabbing, like those shown in the video. |Later, we were taught to dip the aircraft into to the crosswind, in a |balanced turn offset by the effects of the crosswind, and the approach was |normal to the runway. | |Then again, I am not a super experienced pilot, so maybe there's something |going on here that I don't understand. | |But ... I'll always remember ... any landing that you can walk away from was |a good one! | |Eisboch | Maybe they have X-wind landing gear? Check out Figure 12-11 http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-468/ch12-3.htm Breeze exceeds demonstrated crosswind component and An Oh, **** moment.... http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...21_landing.wmv Hate it when that happens. Maybe the bigger the aircraft, the more difficult it is to do the "dipped wing" approach. I only have experience with the little guys and limited experience at that. When I first started instruction my CFI told me to forget about using the rudder and doing coordinated turns. He said he would tell me when to start using the rudder. Well, he forgot to tell me and, I couldn't land the stupid airplane for weeks. The owner of the flight school finally went up with me and started yelling at me for not using the rudder to straighten out just before touchdown. Problem solved and I soloed the next week. Eisboch |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:28:19 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | |"Gene Kearns" wrote in message .. . | | I keep seeing that lame airbus crap.... here is how a REAL airplane | handles a crosswind: | | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOxo0s33sI | | | |I don't get it. | |When I was first learning to fly, the initial, basic technique taught was |crabbing, like those shown in the video. |Later, we were taught to dip the aircraft into to the crosswind, in a |balanced turn offset by the effects of the crosswind, and the approach was |normal to the runway. | |Then again, I am not a super experienced pilot, so maybe there's something |going on here that I don't understand. | |But ... I'll always remember ... any landing that you can walk away from was |a good one! | |Eisboch | Maybe they have X-wind landing gear? Check out Figure 12-11 http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-468/ch12-3.htm Breeze exceeds demonstrated crosswind component and An Oh, **** moment.... http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...21_landing.wmv Good X-wind at Kai Tak http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...%20Landing.mpg I've flown into Kai Tak, as a passenger, many times. It seemed like everyone of the landings was an adventure. Haven't flown into the new HK airport, I wonder if that's just as "exciting". This stuff happens at takeoff, too. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f833aa0b9a A breezy day on the continent http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dcb9946108 -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"D.Duck" wrote in message ... I've flown into Kai Tak, as a passenger, many times. It seemed like everyone of the landings was an adventure. Haven't flown into the new HK airport, I wonder if that's just as "exciting". Now he has an *airport* named for him? Whatta guy. Eisboch |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
Eisboch wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message ... I've flown into Kai Tak, as a passenger, many times. It seemed like everyone of the landings was an adventure. Haven't flown into the new HK airport, I wonder if that's just as "exciting". Now he has an *airport* named for him? Whatta guy. Eisboch I eat a lot of Chinese food. |
Videopalooza - plane bird strike
"D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:28:19 -0500, Eisboch penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | |"Gene Kearns" wrote in message .. . | | I keep seeing that lame airbus crap.... here is how a REAL airplane | handles a crosswind: | | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljOxo0s33sI | | | |I don't get it. | |When I was first learning to fly, the initial, basic technique taught was |crabbing, like those shown in the video. |Later, we were taught to dip the aircraft into to the crosswind, in a |balanced turn offset by the effects of the crosswind, and the approach was |normal to the runway. | |Then again, I am not a super experienced pilot, so maybe there's something |going on here that I don't understand. | |But ... I'll always remember ... any landing that you can walk away from was |a good one! | |Eisboch | Maybe they have X-wind landing gear? Check out Figure 12-11 http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/History/SP-468/ch12-3.htm Breeze exceeds demonstrated crosswind component and An Oh, **** moment.... http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...21_landing.wmv Good X-wind at Kai Tak http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...%20Landing.mpg I've flown into Kai Tak, as a passenger, many times. It seemed like everyone of the landings was an adventure. Haven't flown into the new HK airport, I wonder if that's just as "exciting". This stuff happens at takeoff, too. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f833aa0b9a A breezy day on the continent http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dcb9946108 -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- Flying in to Hong Kong in the 1980's always seemed as if we were landing on El Camino Real Blvd in South San Francisco. Look out the windows into the apartment houses. |
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