Vic Smith wrote in
:

http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...spx?NewsID=608

"“But, in order to get the replacement boat Chaparral wanted me
to sign a release saying that I would not disclose what had
happened,” Isabelle told us. “Everybody around here knows what
happened to the boat.”"

Sleazy *******s, ain't they? Reminds me of my experience with
Sea Ray of Charleston over my new 1997 Sea Rayder F16XR2 jetboat.

One of Sea Ray of Charleston's spies reading rec.boats kissed ass
and told them what I thought of Sea Ray's shoddy boats and sleazy
construction on rec.boats. The big cheeze met me at the door to
say that if I didn't stop telling my story of the FUEL FLOODING
when the 3/4" gas hose in the 3" bulkhead clamps fell off the
5/16" hose barb in the engine, in spite of Sea Ray's putting TWO
hoseclamps on it, flooding my hull with the inboard engine
running in the Ashley River soon after I got it, a life-
threatening condition, they were going to refuse to service my
Sea Ray boat because I didn't buy it from them (at retail), which
is true.

I told him to shove his Sea Ray of Charleston and Sea Ray's whole
island up his ass and walked out for the last time. As you may
have guessed, I will never buy another Brunswick product of any
sort. His service manager looked astonished at him as he said
it.

I can see more sleazy *******s in the boat business have floated
to the top with this one.....and tried to hide it...of course.

Larry
--
Yet another chopper gun company bites the dust.....

Gene Kearns wrote in
:

One wonders if the "used boat" was sold with full disclosure.....
I
suspect not.....



I wonder if the new owner had to sign a disclosure form...??

Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

Larry wrote:
...

Larry

Your story reminded me of the often debated scenario I've had with some
fellow boaters. Is it better to buy a big name, well-known brand for
future re-sale value, or a not so well known, hopefully well made boat?
As with most boaters, over time your mind and preferences change and
ou start getting 'foot-itis' in either direction. We are currently
considering trading down in size & draft to better suit the style
fishing we do probably 90% of the time.

I guess it ultimately depends on the quality of the craftmanship and the
potential buyer pool, but I have heard arguments for both sides of the
debate.

DownTime wrote:
Larry wrote:
...

Larry

Your story reminded me of the often debated scenario I've had with some
fellow boaters. Is it better to buy a big name, well-known brand for
future re-sale value, or a not so well known, hopefully well made boat?
As with most boaters, over time your mind and preferences change and
ou start getting 'foot-itis' in either direction. We are currently
considering trading down in size & draft to better suit the style
fishing we do probably 90% of the time.

I guess it ultimately depends on the quality of the craftmanship and the
potential buyer pool, but I have heard arguments for both sides of the
debate.

Yugo

On Dec 5, 2:21 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
I get Boattest e-mails, and though I found this interesting, I can't
quite figure out the intent. Seems a bit unfair to Chaparral, but at
the same time I appreciate this type of article for the "what can go
wrong" aspect.http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...spx?NewsID=608

--Vic

"...We asked Ellis what happened to the boat that sank. "The dealer
pickled the engine and we redid the upholstery," he said. "We fixed
the boat up and put it on the stock list and sold it to one of our
dealers as a used boat."

Oh CRIPES! Tha't like buying a "flood" vehicle as a pre-owned
"program" car! new boat at discounted "used" price, with limited
warrenty. One or two years later, the wiring is crapped and wierd
stuff starts happening. With a car you can at least run the VIN and
see if ti's been wrecked or not. But this was in-house mfg. insurance,
Iwould assume, so it would stay hushed. I can understand that they
actually bought the boat back fromt he guy so the mfg. owns it, then
can do with it as they please, but it seems really kind of underhanded
that they sneaked a flood boat in on some poor sap. I doubt if the
company disclosed any "past history" to the future suc..(OOPS!)
"client" either. It'll probably be on ebay in the next 5 years, that
is if not sooner.

DownTime wrote in
:

I guess it ultimately depends on the quality of the
craftmanship and the
potential buyer pool, but I have heard arguments for both sides
of the
debate.



The other problem I see on the docks is they buy such wonderful
quality, at some massive price tag, they're afraid to USE it!
Case in point, there's two really beautiful Hinckley jet boats at
City Marina that we hardly ever see out of their slips. These
people have cheaper boats and take them because they don't want
to scratch a helm that cost $80K to build.

I think that's stupid. It's a BOAT....not a valuable work of
ART! They get into so much prestige they're afraid to walk on
it!

Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

The other problem I see on the docks is they buy such wonderful
quality, at some massive price tag, they're afraid to USE it!
Case in point, there's two really beautiful Hinckley jet boats at
City Marina that we hardly ever see out of their slips. These
people have cheaper boats and take them because they don't want
to scratch a helm that cost $80K to build.

I think that's stupid. It's a BOAT....not a valuable work of
ART! They get into so much prestige they're afraid to walk on
it!

Larry

Larry,in that typeof a situation, it really does make one wonder

"who owns who"?

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 04:27:18 +0000, Larry wrote:

I think that's stupid. It's a BOAT....not a valuable work of
ART!

Those Hinkleys are a work of art. The people who can afford them have
lots of choices about what to do with their time.

"Larry" wrote in message
...

One of Sea Ray of Charleston's spies reading rec.boats kissed ass
and told them what I thought of Sea Ray's shoddy boats and sleazy
construction on rec.boats. The big cheeze met me at the door to
say that if I didn't stop telling my story of the FUEL FLOODING
when the 3/4" gas hose in the 3" bulkhead clamps fell off the
5/16" hose barb in the engine, in spite of Sea Ray's putting TWO
hoseclamps on it, flooding my hull with the inboard engine
running in the Ashley River soon after I got it, a life-
threatening condition, they were going to refuse to service my
Sea Ray boat because I didn't buy it from them (at retail), which
is true.

I told him to shove his Sea Ray of Charleston and Sea Ray's whole
island up his ass and walked out for the last time. As you may
have guessed, I will never buy another Brunswick product of any
sort. His service manager looked astonished at him as he said
it.



Damn.

This makes me want to send a case of beer to the dealer I go to. They treat
me like gold, and I'm probably their least profitable customer.

On Dec 5, 12:59�pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message

...

I get Boattest e-mails, and though I found this interesting, I can't
quite figure out the intent. �Seems a bit unfair to Chaparral, but at
the same time I appreciate this type of article for the "what can go
wrong" aspect.
http://www.boattest.com/Resources/vi...spx?NewsID=608

--Vic

Unfair to Chaparral? Why?

The only perspective really presented is the p-o'd buyer's. All too
often
a buyer with a gripe isn't satisfied when a company bends over
backwards to make the situation right and demands that the dealer or
manufacturer bend over forward....and like it.

Devil's advocate:

1. Guy buys a new boat.
2. Boat runs fine and with no problems at all for 2-3 days.
3. Boat mysteriously sinks at the dock due to a loose (ned?) thru hull
4. Customer immediately offers to "settle" by accepting the next model
up the line as a susbstitute.............

DING DINGDINGDING alarm bell going off, at least for me.

Even the p-o'd buyer admits that he was given the next available
identical new boat as a replacement, the manufacturer paid all the
expenses involved with rasing his original boat, and even paid him a
day's wages for his time and trouble. He is upset because the factory
didn't actually say "sorry". I wonder if he would have been OK with
the factory saying "sorry", but taking none of the other steps to
remedy the situation?