Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

All,
I am in the need of some advice.

This is some history and is a little long winded and I apologize....

A few years ago my dad passed away and I have been cleaning out his
items that he had collected over thirty years of business as a
flooring contractor. Just after my dad became sick about 10 yrs ago I
bought him a small 14ft fiberglass boat that had two sets of bench
seats.and a 35 Hp Evinrude motor. What I believed would be a decent
fishing boat. The only problem was the motor needed a lower unit. He
liked garage sales\auctions\etc and began the quest of getting it back
running and he actually did get the motor running in a 55 gallon drum
before the cancer got the best of him. Anyways I was cleaning out the
back shed\buildings, 1 of 8, that had not been opened in quite some
time and ran across 2 complete outboard motors and 2 top section of
motors minus their lower units. For the record, I have torn down all
but 2 sheds and have built two large garages this past year and the
last two sheds will be brought down in the spring.

Also at the about same time a neighbor was selling there 14ft aluminum
deep V boat with all the fishing accessories.As his wife bought him a
bigger and newer boat. Needless to say I bought the boat as its more
of a fishing boat. I enjoy fishing on Lake Erie. Also the one my dad
had, had not seen the light of day in 8 yrs as it was covered by a
boat cover in the wide open side yard. I fiigured it was completely
trashed as the cover and the general look of what I could see was not
that great.

A week later, I uncovered that boat to see what damage had been done
to the old boat. To my surprise the boat is in really decent shape and
I began cleaning it out and it is now stored in my garage. All it
needed was a good scrubbing. The boat cover is in the landfill but it
did its job. So now I am with 2 boats and 5 motors. The boat I bought
recently has a nice little 20 Hp Johnson-Evinrude motor.

Anyways, I have these boats and I figure I need to get these things
all titled and registered so come spring I can enjoy some fishing time
with my son. So I register the boat I bought recently with out to much
trouble. Being new to boating I learned that I needed to title and
register both the boat and the motor in Ohio. So I figure this week I
will title and register my dads boat and motors. The problem is where
are the titles? After doing some digging and title search through the
state I found out the boat that I bought my dad had never been titled
nor registered in his name. I went through some additional searching
in some filing cabinets and I found the original signed off title from
the person that I bought the boat from ten years ago. So I go and run
it in and I find out that the notary stamp is expired and that I need
to get a new title thats signed off from the previous owner. I have
never heard a notary signature expirting. So no problem I decided to
contact the person I bought it from and I hope this weekend to run the
newer signed off title in to the clerk of courts and get my title
transferred for this boat.

Now the boat motors are a completely different situation. As I do not
have any of these titles nor anyway to figure out who the owners are I
decided to go to the state of Ohio. Please note these are older
motors, according to my online search on model numbers. I found out
three are from the 1950's and until recently I was unsure of the
fourth. I wrote up the paper work for the title search and sent it to
the state. They called me today to tell me they have located two of
the boat motors titles and they were last registered in 1965 and the
other in 1975. The other two they did find but they needed to know
some additional information. Specifically what is meant by the number
I got off a welch plug (serial). In all cases all the motors were
before 1970.

Anyways after speaking to them I must do one of the following even to
dispose of the motors as no metal yard\landfill will except a non
titled boat motor in our area;

1) send to the previous owner, by certified letter, to each of the
addresses given in the title search
2) if no response is received in 45 days, mail return letters and/or
certified statement that the letters were sent to the previous owners.
3) Supposedly they will send a letter of authority to have the titles
placed in my name which will get me a title.
4) If I get lucky and one of the owners are still living at the
address given try and get them to sign the title over to me.

Or

1) Have the motors appraised
2) Place an ad in the paper stating that I have these motors for 3
days
3) Then place an ad in the paper to have a public auction.
4) Have a auction and bid on the items

Now so here are my questions (I know finally!)

1) Has anyone online here ever went through this process and gotten a
title?
2) What is the rough value of a running (wishful thinking) 35Hp
Evinrude outboard motor from the 1950s worth? What are parts worth?
Whats the big deal on 50 yr old motors, I understand the legalities
behind titles and such but they have not been registered in 30 yrs.
3) What is a typical outboard motor (25-45 Hp), running,used, not
older then 20 yrs, with title going for today?
4) What would you do in this situation?

Thanks for listening to my ranting and questions,
Chris

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:14:01 -0000, Solomon_Man
wrote:

1) Has anyone online here ever went through this process and gotten a
title?
2) What is the rough value of a running (wishful thinking) 35Hp
Evinrude outboard motor from the 1950s worth? What are parts worth?
Whats the big deal on 50 yr old motors, I understand the legalities
behind titles and such but they have not been registered in 30 yrs.
3) What is a typical outboard motor (25-45 Hp), running,used, not
older then 20 yrs, with title going for today?
4) What would you do in this situation?

I'm sort of intrigued by the whole outboard title thing - are you sure
outboards are titled in Ohio? That doens't make any sense.

With respect to value, it's all relative. If the engines are rare
examples of outboards for their era, they are worth what ever a
collector will pay for them.

As operating engines for use, maybe $50 each - not much more than that
certainly. Models 20 years old or there abouts - maybe $100/125 in
perfect running condition.

As parts - probably not much as not many engines of that age are still
running requiring parts.

A certain member of this august body excepted. :)

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

On Nov 13, 6:37 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:14:01 -0000, Solomon_Man
wrote:

1) Has anyone online here ever went through this process and gotten a
title?
2) What is the rough value of a running (wishful thinking) 35Hp
Evinrude outboard motor from the 1950s worth? What are parts worth?
Whats the big deal on 50 yr old motors, I understand the legalities
behind titles and such but they have not been registered in 30 yrs.
3) What is a typical outboard motor (25-45 Hp), running,used, not
older then 20 yrs, with title going for today?
4) What would you do in this situation?

I'm sort of intrigued by the whole outboard title thing - are you sure
outboards are titled in Ohio? That doens't make any sense.

With respect to value, it's all relative. If the engines are rare
examples of outboards for their era, they are worth what ever a
collector will pay for them.

As operating engines for use, maybe $50 each - not much more than that
certainly. Models 20 years old or there abouts - maybe $100/125 in
perfect running condition.

As parts - probably not much as not many engines of that age are still
running requiring parts.

A certain member of this august body excepted. :)

All,
Here is the rules for Ohio in a nice flowchart;

http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/tabid/2782/default.aspx

basically anything greater or equal to 10 Hp needs a title whether
outboard or not.

I am intrigued by the prices you quote. To be honest I have only been
in a marina sales floor once in my entire life and that was to pay
launch fee at the local marina for a friends boat. Since that marina
was bought out by the City of Toledo for Expansion plans of our
downtown, I know of no others. I thought about this last night on the
way home from work maybe I need to price out a used motor somewhere
but where?

Would a marina have used outboards for sale? Is this a common
occurence?

Basically I am in a rock and a hard place. I can not legally get rid
of them responsibly. I am a stubborn old fool and will end up probably
doing both one and two choices I mentioned previously to get the title
to just get rid of all of them. This does not solve the problem of the
need for a motor for the one boat. In all reality, I would love to
have a backup smaller motor so that I can go in lakes that require
10 HP in our state specifically around the Hocking Hills Region as I
spend a week each year there.

Anyways if I saved up to close to $600 for a motor you would think I
should be able to get a decent running outboard in the neighborhood of
25-40 Hp? Correct?

Thanks,
Chris

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

On Nov 14, 9:56 am, Solomon_Man wrote:
On Nov 13, 6:37 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:





On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:14:01 -0000, Solomon_Man
wrote:

1) Has anyone online here ever went through this process and gotten a
title?
2) What is the rough value of a running (wishful thinking) 35Hp
Evinrude outboard motor from the 1950s worth? What are parts worth?
Whats the big deal on 50 yr old motors, I understand the legalities
behind titles and such but they have not been registered in 30 yrs.
3) What is a typical outboard motor (25-45 Hp), running,used, not
older then 20 yrs, with title going for today?
4) What would you do in this situation?

I'm sort of intrigued by the whole outboard title thing - are you sure
outboards are titled in Ohio? That doens't make any sense.

With respect to value, it's all relative. If the engines are rare
examples of outboards for their era, they are worth what ever a
collector will pay for them.

As operating engines for use, maybe $50 each - not much more than that
certainly. Models 20 years old or there abouts - maybe $100/125 in
perfect running condition.

As parts - probably not much as not many engines of that age are still
running requiring parts.

A certain member of this august body excepted. :)

All,
Here is the rules for Ohio in a nice flowchart;

http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/tabid/2782/default.aspx

basically anything greater or equal to 10 Hp needs a title whether
outboard or not.

I am intrigued by the prices you quote. To be honest I have only been
in a marina sales floor once in my entire life and that was to pay
launch fee at the local marina for a friends boat. Since that marina
was bought out by the City of Toledo for Expansion plans of our
downtown, I know of no others. I thought about this last night on the
way home from work maybe I need to price out a used motor somewhere
but where?

Would a marina have used outboards for sale? Is this a common
occurence?

Basically I am in a rock and a hard place. I can not legally get rid
of them responsibly. I am a stubborn old fool and will end up probably
doing both one and two choices I mentioned previously to get the title
to just get rid of all of them. This does not solve the problem of the
need for a motor for the one boat. In all reality, I would love to
have a backup smaller motor so that I can go in lakes that require
10 HP in our state specifically around the Hocking Hills Region as I
spend a week each year there.

Anyways if I saved up to close to $600 for a motor you would think I
should be able to get a decent running outboard in the neighborhood of
25-40 Hp? Correct?

Thanks,
Chris- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

One more thing,

Is there any good marinas online so I could browse?

Distance is usually not a problem as I end up traveling quite a bit
for work, school, and family.

Thanks,
Chris

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

On Nov 14, 10:07 am, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:59:12 -0000, Solomon_Man
wrote:

Distance is usually not a problem as I end up traveling quite a bit
for work, school, and family.

Take those outboards you want to sell over to a state where they don't
title them

The above is definetly a option as I live (within 60 miles) on the
edge two other states. Not to mention I have family and friends all
over the place. I will start looking at their laws. I think I will try
and contact the original owners first as I have nothing to hide and
may be my quickest way to a Ohio Title. I think this wishy washy
response from the state is a little to much.

Anyways, I emailed a couple Ohio marinas that I recognize on my
travels for some price expectations. We will see nothing as of yet. If
I get some time this afternoon I will do some online browsing to see
what I can find.

I did call my attorney, do not worry it costs me nothing as I have
legal console thru work, and I found out the below;

"1) send to the previous owner, by certified letter, to each of the
addresses given in the title search
2) if no response is received in 45 days, mail return letters and/or
certified statement that the letters were sent to the previous
owners.
3) Supposedly they will send a letter of authority to have the titles
placed in my name which will get me a title.
4) If I get lucky and one of the owners are still living at the
address given try and get them to sign the title over to me. "

is not a guarantee of a title. It has to go through some state
authority person above most of the people I have already dealt with.
One thing is nice I am glad I started this whole process now in the
off season instead on early spring when I hope to take the motors
out.

I should receive the official response from the state by early next
week. I will follow all their requirements with hopefully a few other
options in my pocket.

Also anybody have any suggestions for any good marinas in Ohio,
Michigan, Indiana, Northern New York Area, and Chicago? I would be
interested in any good online sites as well, even if they are on the
other side of the U.S. as long as they are willing to ship.

Thanks,
Chris

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

Solomon_Man wrote:
All,
I am in the need of some advice.

This is some history and is a little long winded and I apologize....

A few years ago my dad passed away and I have been cleaning out his
items that he had collected over thirty years of business as a
flooring contractor. Just after my dad became sick about 10 yrs ago I
bought him a small 14ft fiberglass boat that had two sets of bench
seats.and a 35 Hp Evinrude motor. What I believed would be a decent
fishing boat. The only problem was the motor needed a lower unit. He
liked garage sales\auctions\etc and began the quest of getting it back
running and he actually did get the motor running in a 55 gallon drum
before the cancer got the best of him. Anyways I was cleaning out the
back shed\buildings, 1 of 8, that had not been opened in quite some
time and ran across 2 complete outboard motors and 2 top section of
motors minus their lower units. For the record, I have torn down all
but 2 sheds and have built two large garages this past year and the
last two sheds will be brought down in the spring.

Also at the about same time a neighbor was selling there 14ft aluminum
deep V boat with all the fishing accessories.As his wife bought him a
bigger and newer boat. Needless to say I bought the boat as its more
of a fishing boat. I enjoy fishing on Lake Erie. Also the one my dad
had, had not seen the light of day in 8 yrs as it was covered by a
boat cover in the wide open side yard. I fiigured it was completely
trashed as the cover and the general look of what I could see was not
that great.

A week later, I uncovered that boat to see what damage had been done
to the old boat. To my surprise the boat is in really decent shape and
I began cleaning it out and it is now stored in my garage. All it
needed was a good scrubbing. The boat cover is in the landfill but it
did its job. So now I am with 2 boats and 5 motors. The boat I bought
recently has a nice little 20 Hp Johnson-Evinrude motor.

Anyways, I have these boats and I figure I need to get these things
all titled and registered so come spring I can enjoy some fishing time
with my son. So I register the boat I bought recently with out to much
trouble. Being new to boating I learned that I needed to title and
register both the boat and the motor in Ohio. So I figure this week I
will title and register my dads boat and motors. The problem is where
are the titles? After doing some digging and title search through the
state I found out the boat that I bought my dad had never been titled
nor registered in his name. I went through some additional searching
in some filing cabinets and I found the original signed off title from
the person that I bought the boat from ten years ago. So I go and run
it in and I find out that the notary stamp is expired and that I need
to get a new title thats signed off from the previous owner. I have
never heard a notary signature expirting. So no problem I decided to
contact the person I bought it from and I hope this weekend to run the
newer signed off title in to the clerk of courts and get my title
transferred for this boat.

Now the boat motors are a completely different situation. As I do not
have any of these titles nor anyway to figure out who the owners are I
decided to go to the state of Ohio. Please note these are older
motors, according to my online search on model numbers. I found out
three are from the 1950's and until recently I was unsure of the
fourth. I wrote up the paper work for the title search and sent it to
the state. They called me today to tell me they have located two of
the boat motors titles and they were last registered in 1965 and the
other in 1975. The other two they did find but they needed to know
some additional information. Specifically what is meant by the number
I got off a welch plug (serial). In all cases all the motors were
before 1970.

Anyways after speaking to them I must do one of the following even to
dispose of the motors as no metal yard\landfill will except a non
titled boat motor in our area;

1) send to the previous owner, by certified letter, to each of the
addresses given in the title search
2) if no response is received in 45 days, mail return letters and/or
certified statement that the letters were sent to the previous owners.
3) Supposedly they will send a letter of authority to have the titles
placed in my name which will get me a title.
4) If I get lucky and one of the owners are still living at the
address given try and get them to sign the title over to me.

Or

1) Have the motors appraised
2) Place an ad in the paper stating that I have these motors for 3
days
3) Then place an ad in the paper to have a public auction.
4) Have a auction and bid on the items

Now so here are my questions (I know finally!)

1) Has anyone online here ever went through this process and gotten a
title?
2) What is the rough value of a running (wishful thinking) 35Hp
Evinrude outboard motor from the 1950s worth? What are parts worth?
Whats the big deal on 50 yr old motors, I understand the legalities
behind titles and such but they have not been registered in 30 yrs.
3) What is a typical outboard motor (25-45 Hp), running,used, not
older then 20 yrs, with title going for today?
4) What would you do in this situation?

Thanks for listening to my ranting and questions,
Chris



The motors might bring a few bucks as parts on ebay. Otherwise, they are
close to valueless.

I've been looking for two new in the box outboards from the late 1940s
and early 1950s for years. I know they are out there somewhere, but I
haven't found them.

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

On Nov 14, 1:23 pm, HK wrote:
Solomon_Man wrote:
All,
I am in the need of some advice.

This is some history and is a little long winded and I apologize....

A few years ago my dad passed away and I have been cleaning out his
items that he had collected over thirty years of business as a
flooring contractor. Just after my dad became sick about 10 yrs ago I
bought him a small 14ft fiberglass boat that had two sets of bench
seats.and a 35 Hp Evinrude motor. What I believed would be a decent
fishing boat. The only problem was the motor needed a lower unit. He
liked garage sales\auctions\etc and began the quest of getting it back
running and he actually did get the motor running in a 55 gallon drum
before the cancer got the best of him. Anyways I was cleaning out the
back shed\buildings, 1 of 8, that had not been opened in quite some
time and ran across 2 complete outboard motors and 2 top section of
motors minus their lower units. For the record, I have torn down all
but 2 sheds and have built two large garages this past year and the
last two sheds will be brought down in the spring.

Also at the about same time a neighbor was selling there 14ft aluminum
deep V boat with all the fishing accessories.As his wife bought him a
bigger and newer boat. Needless to say I bought the boat as its more
of a fishing boat. I enjoy fishing on Lake Erie. Also the one my dad
had, had not seen the light of day in 8 yrs as it was covered by a
boat cover in the wide open side yard. I fiigured it was completely
trashed as the cover and the general look of what I could see was not
that great.

A week later, I uncovered that boat to see what damage had been done
to the old boat. To my surprise the boat is in really decent shape and
I began cleaning it out and it is now stored in my garage. All it
needed was a good scrubbing. The boat cover is in the landfill but it
did its job. So now I am with 2 boats and 5 motors. The boat I bought
recently has a nice little 20 Hp Johnson-Evinrude motor.

Anyways, I have these boats and I figure I need to get these things
all titled and registered so come spring I can enjoy some fishing time
with my son. So I register the boat I bought recently with out to much
trouble. Being new to boating I learned that I needed to title and
register both the boat and the motor in Ohio. So I figure this week I
will title and register my dads boat and motors. The problem is where
are the titles? After doing some digging and title search through the
state I found out the boat that I bought my dad had never been titled
nor registered in his name. I went through some additional searching
in some filing cabinets and I found the original signed off title from
the person that I bought the boat from ten years ago. So I go and run
it in and I find out that the notary stamp is expired and that I need
to get a new title thats signed off from the previous owner. I have
never heard a notary signature expirting. So no problem I decided to
contact the person I bought it from and I hope this weekend to run the
newer signed off title in to the clerk of courts and get my title
transferred for this boat.

Now the boat motors are a completely different situation. As I do not
have any of these titles nor anyway to figure out who the owners are I
decided to go to the state of Ohio. Please note these are older
motors, according to my online search on model numbers. I found out
three are from the 1950's and until recently I was unsure of the
fourth. I wrote up the paper work for the title search and sent it to
the state. They called me today to tell me they have located two of
the boat motors titles and they were last registered in 1965 and the
other in 1975. The other two they did find but they needed to know
some additional information. Specifically what is meant by the number
I got off a welch plug (serial). In all cases all the motors were
before 1970.

Anyways after speaking to them I must do one of the following even to
dispose of the motors as no metal yard\landfill will except a non
titled boat motor in our area;

1) send to the previous owner, by certified letter, to each of the
addresses given in the title search
2) if no response is received in 45 days, mail return letters and/or
certified statement that the letters were sent to the previous owners.
3) Supposedly they will send a letter of authority to have the titles
placed in my name which will get me a title.
4) If I get lucky and one of the owners are still living at the
address given try and get them to sign the title over to me.

Or

1) Have the motors appraised
2) Place an ad in the paper stating that I have these motors for 3
days
3) Then place an ad in the paper to have a public auction.
4) Have a auction and bid on the items

Now so here are my questions (I know finally!)

1) Has anyone online here ever went through this process and gotten a
title?
2) What is the rough value of a running (wishful thinking) 35Hp
Evinrude outboard motor from the 1950s worth? What are parts worth?
Whats the big deal on 50 yr old motors, I understand the legalities
behind titles and such but they have not been registered in 30 yrs.
3) What is a typical outboard motor (25-45 Hp), running,used, not
older then 20 yrs, with title going for today?
4) What would you do in this situation?

Thanks for listening to my ranting and questions,
Chris

The motors might bring a few bucks as parts on ebay. Otherwise, they are
close to valueless.

I've been looking for two new in the box outboards from the late 1940s
and early 1950s for years. I know they are out there somewhere, but I
haven't found them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I thought about ebay....I would definetly have to part out as the
whole motor would be pricey to send and disclose its titleless. The
last time I sent a motor across country it cost me close to $1.50 a
pound. I bet its more as gas has almost doubled. I guess parting out
would bring a few bucks if I took it apart and no title would be
required for the parts. I would consider going in some of these
directions once I had a marina I could trust to hook me up with
another dependable outboard.

I guess the next step is that find a decent marina or a place to hook
me up with another outboard motor.

Thanks for the help everyone,
Chris

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

"Solomon_Man" wrote in message
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On Nov 14, 1:23 pm, HK wrote:
Solomon_Man wrote:
All,
I am in the need of some advice.

This is some history and is a little long winded and I apologize....

A few years ago my dad passed away and I have been cleaning out his
items that he had collected over thirty years of business as a
flooring contractor. Just after my dad became sick about 10 yrs ago I
bought him a small 14ft fiberglass boat that had two sets of bench
seats.and a 35 Hp Evinrude motor. What I believed would be a decent
fishing boat. The only problem was the motor needed a lower unit. He
liked garage sales\auctions\etc and began the quest of getting it back
running and he actually did get the motor running in a 55 gallon drum
before the cancer got the best of him. Anyways I was cleaning out the
back shed\buildings, 1 of 8, that had not been opened in quite some
time and ran across 2 complete outboard motors and 2 top section of
motors minus their lower units. For the record, I have torn down all
but 2 sheds and have built two large garages this past year and the
last two sheds will be brought down in the spring.

Also at the about same time a neighbor was selling there 14ft aluminum
deep V boat with all the fishing accessories.As his wife bought him a
bigger and newer boat. Needless to say I bought the boat as its more
of a fishing boat. I enjoy fishing on Lake Erie. Also the one my dad
had, had not seen the light of day in 8 yrs as it was covered by a
boat cover in the wide open side yard. I fiigured it was completely
trashed as the cover and the general look of what I could see was not
that great.

A week later, I uncovered that boat to see what damage had been done
to the old boat. To my surprise the boat is in really decent shape and
I began cleaning it out and it is now stored in my garage. All it
needed was a good scrubbing. The boat cover is in the landfill but it
did its job. So now I am with 2 boats and 5 motors. The boat I bought
recently has a nice little 20 Hp Johnson-Evinrude motor.

Anyways, I have these boats and I figure I need to get these things
all titled and registered so come spring I can enjoy some fishing time
with my son. So I register the boat I bought recently with out to much
trouble. Being new to boating I learned that I needed to title and
register both the boat and the motor in Ohio. So I figure this week I
will title and register my dads boat and motors. The problem is where
are the titles? After doing some digging and title search through the
state I found out the boat that I bought my dad had never been titled
nor registered in his name. I went through some additional searching
in some filing cabinets and I found the original signed off title from
the person that I bought the boat from ten years ago. So I go and run
it in and I find out that the notary stamp is expired and that I need
to get a new title thats signed off from the previous owner. I have
never heard a notary signature expirting. So no problem I decided to
contact the person I bought it from and I hope this weekend to run the
newer signed off title in to the clerk of courts and get my title
transferred for this boat.

Now the boat motors are a completely different situation. As I do not
have any of these titles nor anyway to figure out who the owners are I
decided to go to the state of Ohio. Please note these are older
motors, according to my online search on model numbers. I found out
three are from the 1950's and until recently I was unsure of the
fourth. I wrote up the paper work for the title search and sent it to
the state. They called me today to tell me they have located two of
the boat motors titles and they were last registered in 1965 and the
other in 1975. The other two they did find but they needed to know
some additional information. Specifically what is meant by the number
I got off a welch plug (serial). In all cases all the motors were
before 1970.

Anyways after speaking to them I must do one of the following even to
dispose of the motors as no metal yard\landfill will except a non
titled boat motor in our area;

1) send to the previous owner, by certified letter, to each of the
addresses given in the title search
2) if no response is received in 45 days, mail return letters and/or
certified statement that the letters were sent to the previous owners.
3) Supposedly they will send a letter of authority to have the titles
placed in my name which will get me a title.
4) If I get lucky and one of the owners are still living at the
address given try and get them to sign the title over to me.

Or

1) Have the motors appraised
2) Place an ad in the paper stating that I have these motors for 3
days
3) Then place an ad in the paper to have a public auction.
4) Have a auction and bid on the items

Now so here are my questions (I know finally!)

1) Has anyone online here ever went through this process and gotten a
title?
2) What is the rough value of a running (wishful thinking) 35Hp
Evinrude outboard motor from the 1950s worth? What are parts worth?
Whats the big deal on 50 yr old motors, I understand the legalities
behind titles and such but they have not been registered in 30 yrs.
3) What is a typical outboard motor (25-45 Hp), running,used, not
older then 20 yrs, with title going for today?
4) What would you do in this situation?

Thanks for listening to my ranting and questions,
Chris

The motors might bring a few bucks as parts on ebay. Otherwise, they are
close to valueless.

I've been looking for two new in the box outboards from the late 1940s
and early 1950s for years. I know they are out there somewhere, but I
haven't found them.- Hide quoted text -

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I thought about ebay....I would definetly have to part out as the
whole motor would be pricey to send and disclose its titleless. The
last time I sent a motor across country it cost me close to $1.50 a
pound. I bet its more as gas has almost doubled. I guess parting out
would bring a few bucks if I took it apart and no title would be
required for the parts. I would consider going in some of these
directions once I had a marina I could trust to hook me up with
another dependable outboard.

I guess the next step is that find a decent marina or a place to hook
me up with another outboard motor.

Thanks for the help everyone,
Chris


Craigslist outside Ohio.

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:56:43 -0000, Solomon_Man
wrote:

Anyways if I saved up to close to $600 for a motor you would think I
should be able to get a decent running outboard in the neighborhood of
25-40 Hp? Correct?

If you take your time and look, yeah - that's doable. You'd have an
engine 10 to 12 years old in decent shape - might need a little work
to get running properly.

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

On Nov 14, 3:41 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:56:43 -0000, Solomon_Man
wrote:

Anyways if I saved up to close to $600 for a motor you would think I
should be able to get a decent running outboard in the neighborhood of
25-40 Hp? Correct?

If you take your time and look, yeah - that's doable. You'd have an
engine 10 to 12 years old in decent shape - might need a little work
to get running properly.

Well I think getting a 10Hp decent runner should be no problem at a
decent price. I probably pick one of these up in the coming weeks. I
have found plenty online.

If I get to the 20-40Hp range the prices jump real quick. I will keep
looking.

Any Suggestions on Marinas are greatly appreciated.

Thanks for the suggestions I will keep looking and keep you all
posted,
Chris

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

"Solomon_Man" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Nov 14, 1:23 pm, HK wrote:
Solomon_Man wrote:
I thought about ebay....I would definetly have to part out as the
whole motor would be pricey to send and disclose its titleless. The
last time I sent a motor across country it cost me close to $1.50 a
pound. I bet its more as gas has almost doubled. I guess parting out
would bring a few bucks if I took it apart and no title would be
required for the parts. I would consider going in some of these
directions once I had a marina I could trust to hook me up with
another dependable outboard.

I guess the next step is that find a decent marina or a place to hook
me up with another outboard motor.

Thanks for the help everyone,
Chris
Illinois does not require titles for outboard motors. You could sell them,
pawn them, take them to a flea market..no problem. The only time the state
gets involved is when you buy a used boat, they want to know the cost of the
motor added onto the cost of the boat so they can charge you sales tax on
the motor, too.

Tom G.

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

Tom G wrote:
"Solomon_Man" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Nov 14, 1:23 pm, HK wrote:
Solomon_Man wrote:
I thought about ebay....I would definetly have to part out as the
whole motor would be pricey to send and disclose its titleless. The
last time I sent a motor across country it cost me close to $1.50 a
pound. I bet its more as gas has almost doubled. I guess parting out
would bring a few bucks if I took it apart and no title would be
required for the parts. I would consider going in some of these
directions once I had a marina I could trust to hook me up with
another dependable outboard.

I guess the next step is that find a decent marina or a place to hook
me up with another outboard motor.

Thanks for the help everyone,
Chris
Illinois does not require titles for outboard motors. You could sell them,
pawn them, take them to a flea market..no problem. The only time the state
gets involved is when you buy a used boat, they want to know the cost of the
motor added onto the cost of the boat so they can charge you sales tax on
the motor, too.

Tom G.




I'm pretty sure Maryland doesn't give a damn about outboard serial
numbers, either. I had to supply the state with the number stamped into
the gelcoat of the boat at the stern to get my boat numbers. No
questions about the engine.

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

On Nov 14, 4:59 pm, HK wrote:
Tom G wrote:
"Solomon_Man" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Nov 14, 1:23 pm, HK wrote:
Solomon_Man wrote:
I thought about ebay....I would definetly have to part out as the
whole motor would be pricey to send and disclose its titleless. The
last time I sent a motor across country it cost me close to $1.50 a
pound. I bet its more as gas has almost doubled. I guess parting out
would bring a few bucks if I took it apart and no title would be
required for the parts. I would consider going in some of these
directions once I had a marina I could trust to hook me up with
another dependable outboard.

I guess the next step is that find a decent marina or a place to hook
me up with another outboard motor.

Thanks for the help everyone,
Chris
Illinois does not require titles for outboard motors. You could sell them,
pawn them, take them to a flea market..no problem. The only time the state
gets involved is when you buy a used boat, they want to know the cost of the
motor added onto the cost of the boat so they can charge you sales tax on
the motor, too.

Tom G.

I'm pretty sure Maryland doesn't give a damn about outboard serial
numbers, either. I had to supply the state with the number stamped into
the gelcoat of the boat at the stern to get my boat numbers. No
questions about the engine.- Hide quoted text -

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All,
I was out looking and I noticed there is a briggs and stratton
outboard motor thats like 5hp and its brand new. This would work for
the small lakes that must be less then 10hp in Ohio. Anybody have any
experience with this outboard motor?

Is the quality there and is it dependable? The price seems extremely
reasonable for new but usually there is always a catch.

After talking it over with the wife and looking at my options, we are
going for sure to pick up a 10hp and another outboard motor. Probably
sometime over the winter. The funny thing is I need to get a hold of a
decent marina to purchase one and no one has even sent me a response
to my original requests. Maybe I need to spend some time this weekend
visiting them to get quicker response. My guess is I am not a big
profit item, so I am at the bottom of the list. There is also two boat
shows in the area coming up in a little over a month.

As far as the old motors, I am going to go through normal procedures
on what the state requires and if I get lucky I will title them and
work on the two that interest me. If not there is Ebay. I contacted a
few of the outboards out there on ebay over 10 hp and I found out that
none of them had titles nor are they required in there state. So in
another words there is a market for the outboards I do have but not in
my state (sad). I am not 100% sure of the ebay focus legalities but I
am sure I will not have to go the ebay route if I do everything the
state requires.

I appreciate the help, direction, and listening to my long winded
rants,
Thanks again,
Chris

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:34:43 -0800 (PST), Solomon_Man
wrote:

I was out looking and I noticed there is a briggs and stratton
outboard motor thats like 5hp and its brand new. This would work for
the small lakes that must be less then 10hp in Ohio. Anybody have any
experience with this outboard motor?

NO NO NO NO NO.

NO.

As in NO.

Noisy, the lower units are horrible and they wear out drive shaft
seals faster than I eat jelly beans.

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

On Nov 15, 2:47 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:34:43 -0800 (PST), Solomon_Man

wrote:
I was out looking and I noticed there is a briggs and stratton
outboard motor thats like 5hp and its brand new. This would work for
the small lakes that must be less then 10hp in Ohio. Anybody have any
experience with this outboard motor?

NO NO NO NO NO.

NO.

As in NO.

Noisy, the lower units are horrible and they wear out drive shaft
seals faster than I eat jelly beans.

Ok,
Thats a NO
:)

Is there certain outboards I should stay away from? Ie parts
availability, maintenance concerns,reliability issues.

I see that Johnson, Evinrude, Mariner seem to be the big three names.
Are parts available for these outboards well after there hey day?

I have found a whole bunch of used outboard Marinas in Florida? Is the
salty water a concern for corrision in Outboards from Florida?

I know the more I look the more questions I have but I guess thats the
way I am going to learn.

Thanks again,
Chris

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:36:53 -0800 (PST), Solomon_Man
wrote:

On Nov 15, 2:47 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:34:43 -0800 (PST), Solomon_Man

wrote:
I was out looking and I noticed there is a briggs and stratton
outboard motor thats like 5hp and its brand new. This would work for
the small lakes that must be less then 10hp in Ohio. Anybody have any
experience with this outboard motor?

NO NO NO NO NO.

NO.

As in NO.

Noisy, the lower units are horrible and they wear out drive shaft
seals faster than I eat jelly beans.

Ok,
Thats a NO
:)

Is there certain outboards I should stay away from? Ie parts
availability, maintenance concerns,reliability issues.

Stick with Yamaha, Evinrude, Johnson, Mercury and Honda if you can
find a used one.

I see that Johnson, Evinrude, Mariner seem to be the big three names.
Are parts available for these outboards well after there hey day?

That's a good question. In general, parts for outboards older than
say ten to twelve years old can be difficult, but are available. It
seems that the twelve year point is about where they start getting
hard to purchase from dealers.

I have found a whole bunch of used outboard Marinas in Florida? Is the
salty water a concern for corrision in Outboards from Florida?

Can be over time - just depends on use and abuse. I'm pretty sure you
can find freshwater outboards out there - just have to look.

I know the more I look the more questions I have but I guess thats the
way I am going to learn.

That's how it's done.

Some OutBoard Motors and person new to boating.....
 

On Nov 15, 3:52 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:36:53 -0800 (PST), Solomon_Man





wrote:
On Nov 15, 2:47 pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:34:43 -0800 (PST), Solomon_Man

wrote:
I was out looking and I noticed there is a briggs and stratton
outboard motor thats like 5hp and its brand new. This would work for
the small lakes that must be less then 10hp in Ohio. Anybody have any
experience with this outboard motor?

NO NO NO NO NO.

NO.

As in NO.

Noisy, the lower units are horrible and they wear out drive shaft
seals faster than I eat jelly beans.

Ok,
Thats a NO
:)

Is there certain outboards I should stay away from? Ie parts
availability, maintenance concerns,reliability issues.

Stick with Yamaha, Evinrude, Johnson, Mercury and Honda if you can
find a used one.

I see that Johnson, Evinrude, Mariner seem to be the big three names.
Are parts available for these outboards well after there hey day?

That's a good question. In general, parts for outboards older than
say ten to twelve years old can be difficult, but are available. It
seems that the twelve year point is about where they start getting
hard to purchase from dealers.

I have found a whole bunch of used outboard Marinas in Florida? Is the
salty water a concern for corrision in Outboards from Florida?

Can be over time - just depends on use and abuse. I'm pretty sure you
can find freshwater outboards out there - just have to look.

I know the more I look the more questions I have but I guess thats the
way I am going to learn.

That's how it's done.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

All,
I have been busy with the outboards and trying to get titles and here
are the results as of 12/08/07.

From the 4 motors that I had the state lookup the following results
were found;

3 people last register 3 of these motors before 1975. One of the
motors according to our state was never registered. It was not
required to be titled when it was new as the law did not start till
1963.

I was able to locate and speak to one individual about the boat motor
in his name and he agreed to sign it over and has. Lucky for me this
is one of those that are complete and run. So I have one down. The
other two I sent certified letters and one has come back no forwarding
address and according to the people that live there now they have
owned the house since 1985. One certified letter I am waiting for. I
have not received a return certified statement card nor the letter
back and its been about a week and a half. The post office said it
could take up to 3 weeks.

I also got the boat motors appraised from a local marina as required.

I also received my boating operators license today.

I have also checked out a few marinas in the last few weeks and have
located many parts for the boat motors I do have in my name including
most seals and ignition/carburation parts. So I think I should be able
to get these running without to much problem assuming mechanicals are
sound. Also I have seen about a half dozen outboards in my price reach/
range that are fairly new ( 5-15 yrs).

I also have located my dads factory service manual for these
outboards.

So now I have to;

Wait till about the 15th of January and post in the local newspape of
my little auction and have my little auction. After speaking to the
marinas up here almost no one comes to there auctions. They can
usually count on one hand how many people come. So I think the motor
should hopefully end up in my name, considering the marinas can sell
somtimes 10-20 boats at a time.

A new issue has popped up concerning my dad and his boat I bought him
but I will post that as a new issue.

Thanks everyone and I will keep you updated.
Chris