Deadly accident prompts call for engine limitation, age restrictions for boaters
 

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:42:16 -0400, "Ernest Scribbler"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote
You can't regulate behavior.

Don't be silly. All laws are designed to regulate behavior.

With the exception of the one about better enforcement of existing laws, the
proposed new regulations that the OP says were prompted by this incident
don't really address the behaviors that led to it, which is a great recipe
for unintended consequences. The guy was well above the proposed minimum
operating age so that's a total red herring. I can't imagine how the results
would have been substantially different if the boat had been powered with
twin 250s instead of twin 435s. According to another report, the cigarette
boat was doing 45mph at the time, which says to me that he probably wasn't
using all 870 horses anyway. The age and horsepower limits strike me as very
poorly conceived remedies. Most of us here recognize reckless when we see
it, and it's already illegal.

Yeah - I'll admit I was wrong about that.

Plus, I tried to make a little joke as part of it and it just didn't
work.

I need a vacation. :)

Deadly accident prompts call for engine limitation, age restrictions for boaters
 

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:55:13 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:25:09 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:28:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:12:11 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

I lean more toward regulating behavior than
restricting property ownership

How? Thorazine? Valium? Cocaine?

You can't regulate behavior.

~~ sheesh ~~

I think you're confusing regulate with control. Speed limits are a
'regulation' of behavior. I don't think the horsepower limitation of 500hp
would do ****. Maybe a 35hp limit would be suitable. Whether a hp limit or
a speed limit, the attempt is to regulate behavior.

Another joke gone wrong.

Admit it..........it was not a joke Tom. At least your reply to my last
post indicates so.

"To err is human". That is why we put erasers on pencils. ;-)

Absoutely - me more so than anybody.

However, I was trying to combine a little humor with social commentary
and it failed miserably.

I need a vacation. :)

Deadly accident prompts call for engine limitation, age restrictionsfor boaters
 

JimH wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:25:09 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:28:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:12:11 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

I lean more toward regulating behavior than
restricting property ownership
How? Thorazine? Valium? Cocaine?

You can't regulate behavior.

~~ sheesh ~~
I think you're confusing regulate with control. Speed limits are a
'regulation' of behavior. I don't think the horsepower limitation of 500hp
would do ****. Maybe a 35hp limit would be suitable. Whether a hp limit or
a speed limit, the attempt is to regulate behavior.
Another joke gone wrong.

Admit it..........it was not a joke Tom. At least your reply to my last
post indicates so.

"To err is human". That is why we put erasers on pencils. ;-)



I thought the Thorazine, Valium was funny.

Deadly accident prompts call for engine limitation, age restrictions for boaters
 

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:04:34 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:37:59 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:45:39 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:12:11 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

I lean more toward regulating behavior than
restricting property ownership

How? Thorazine? Valium? Cocaine?

You can't regulate behavior.

~~ sheesh ~

Thank goodness Ivan Pavlov did not share your opinion. ;-)

That's patterning behavior.

Regulating behavior isn't the same thing.

On second thought, I take that back.

My bad.

You are forgiven.

How is the weather over there in Woodstock country?

Actually it's quite nice. I was just out on the deck checking on the
mutts and it's very pleasant - cool, but not overly so.

It will be a nice night to take out the Celestron and do a little star
gazing. Nothing like a good cigar, some fresh air and a good
telescope.

After the new Dirty Jobs that is. :)

Deadly accident prompts call for engine limitation, age restrictions for boaters
 

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:28:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:12:11 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

I lean more toward regulating behavior than
restricting property ownership

How? Thorazine? Valium? Cocaine?

You can't regulate behavior.

~~ sheesh ~~

I think you're confusing regulate with control. Speed limits are a
'regulation' of behavior. I don't think the horsepower limitation of 500hp
would do ****. Maybe a 35hp limit would be suitable. Whether a hp limit or
a speed limit, the attempt is to regulate behavior.

Deadly accident prompts call for engine limitation, age restrictions for boaters
 

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:30:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:45:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:25:09 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:28:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:12:11 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

I lean more toward regulating behavior than
restricting property ownership

How? Thorazine? Valium? Cocaine?

You can't regulate behavior.

~~ sheesh ~~

I think you're confusing regulate with control. Speed limits are a
'regulation' of behavior. I don't think the horsepower limitation of 500hp
would do ****. Maybe a 35hp limit would be suitable. Whether a hp limit or
a speed limit, the attempt is to regulate behavior.

Another joke gone wrong.

I need a vacation. :)

Don't take a Disney Cruise!

Oh crap - not again. :)

Deadly accident prompts call for engine limitation, age restrictions for boaters
 

On Oct 30, 3:28?pm, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:12:11 -0700, Chuck Gould

wrote:
I lean more toward regulating behavior than
restricting property ownership

How? Thorazine? Valium? Cocaine?

You can't regulate behavior.

~~ sheesh ~~

Every *regulation* that addresses behavior, ("thou shall do this, thou
shan't do that") is a regulation of behavior- so of course you can.
You can't force compliance, but you can enforce the regulation so that
evil-doers are penalized or removed from society and those flirting
with temptation might think better of it.

An example of regulating behavior vs. restricting property ownership:
It's Ok for you to own a firearm. It's not OK to run around
discharging it at random in a residential neighborhood. The regulation
addresses behavior, not ownership.

Should you be able to own a boat that does 100 knots? Heck yes.
Should you be able to run 100 knots in any situation or circumstance
simply because you own a boat that can? No- not when the public
welfare or personal safety of others is placed at risk by your doing
so.

Deadly accident prompts call for engine limitation, age restrictions for boaters
 

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:45:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:25:09 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:28:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:12:11 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

I lean more toward regulating behavior than
restricting property ownership

How? Thorazine? Valium? Cocaine?

You can't regulate behavior.

~~ sheesh ~~

I think you're confusing regulate with control. Speed limits are a
'regulation' of behavior. I don't think the horsepower limitation of 500hp
would do ****. Maybe a 35hp limit would be suitable. Whether a hp limit or
a speed limit, the attempt is to regulate behavior.

Another joke gone wrong.

I need a vacation. :)

Don't take a Disney Cruise!

Deadly accident prompts call for engine limitation, age restrictions for boaters
 

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:19:38 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:55:13 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:25:09 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:28:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:12:11 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

I lean more toward regulating behavior than
restricting property ownership

How? Thorazine? Valium? Cocaine?

You can't regulate behavior.

~~ sheesh ~~

I think you're confusing regulate with control. Speed limits are a
'regulation' of behavior. I don't think the horsepower limitation of
500hp
would do ****. Maybe a 35hp limit would be suitable. Whether a hp limit
or
a speed limit, the attempt is to regulate behavior.

Another joke gone wrong.

Admit it..........it was not a joke Tom. At least your reply to my last
post indicates so.

"To err is human". That is why we put erasers on pencils. ;-)

Absoutely - me more so than anybody.

However, I was trying to combine a little humor with social commentary
and it failed miserably.

I need a vacation. :)

Hey, we all need a permanent vacation. Some folks are lucky enough to
inherit that luxury.... the worthy *earn* it.

I think we have a couple of folks here who achieved the latter. ;-)


If your son spends 30 years in the Marines, he'll have earned it!

Deadly accident prompts call for engine limitation, age restrictions for boaters
 

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:34:59 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:30:43 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:45:23 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:25:09 -0500, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:28:33 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:12:11 -0700, Chuck Gould
wrote:

I lean more toward regulating behavior than
restricting property ownership

How? Thorazine? Valium? Cocaine?

You can't regulate behavior.

~~ sheesh ~~

I think you're confusing regulate with control. Speed limits are a
'regulation' of behavior. I don't think the horsepower limitation of 500hp
would do ****. Maybe a 35hp limit would be suitable. Whether a hp limit or
a speed limit, the attempt is to regulate behavior.

Another joke gone wrong.

I need a vacation. :)

Don't take a Disney Cruise!

Oh crap - not again. :)

~~chuckle~~