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The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo
Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac. I might be buying a new computer sooner than I normally do. This is an example of the articles I have read that have started me thinking about buying a Mac when it is time to upgrade: October 29, 2007 (Computerworld) -- Apple Inc.'s computers are the most reliable and its support the most dependable of five top vendors, a national chain of computer service shops said today. Macs beat machines built and sold by Lenovo Group Ltd., Hewlett-Packard Co., Gateway Inc. and Dell Inc., according to Rescuecom Corp.'s second annual reliability report. Apple, which took the second spot last year, blew away the competition this year by posting a score 51% higher than the next-best, Lenovo. To come up with its scores, Rescuecom compared the percentage of each company's support calls with its market share, said David Milman, Rescuecom's CEO. The greater the difference, the higher the score, and the better the hardware and follow-up OEM support. Apple, for example, received the highest score because Macs made up only 1.4% of all calls to Rescuecom, even though its estimated market share was 5% for the year. Dell machines, on the other hand, accounted for 34.5% of all Rescuecom's incoming calls, which was higher than the company's 32.3% market share. "It takes into account not just the quality and reliability of the equipment," said Milman, "but also the quality of service." The two are equally important, he said. "If a user is calling Rescuecom, that means they've abandoned the manufacturer's own support." Apple led the five vendors with a score of 347, followed by Lenovo/IBM (236), HP (126), Gateway (103) and Dell (94). "Apple's score tells me that it has both great quality control and great support in place," said Milman. "And that Apple is taking care of its customers though its internal support channel." Unlike the other four vendors, Apple has its own retail chain, whose stores are manned with customer support personnel, dubbed Apple Geniuses. Dell, on the other hand, is now at the bottom of Rescuecom's scoring system, having slipped from last year's fourth place to fifth this year. "Dell faces some challenges to deliver quality products and quality services," said Milman. "The probability is certainly higher that a customer will have problems with a Dell than with an HP or a Lenovo [computer]." The Round Rock, Tex. computer maker's has had problems meeting customer demand for some laptops, and has seen its once high-flying service and support reputation drop. In August, for instance, the American Customer Satisfaction Index (ASCI), a barometer of customer satisfaction produced at the University of Michigan, pegged Dell's score as down four points from the previous year. "Dell isn't going anywhere," said Milman. "They still have good machines. But over the long run, you're more likely to have a problem with Dell." In the same ASCI of August, Apple scored 79, the highest among the seven makers and/or computer lines, but like Dell, also down four points from 2006. |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:20 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac I have 4 Gb and noticed the same thing. A video app I have is even slower, but comes right up on a Mac at Mrs. Wave's school machine. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac. I might be buying a new computer sooner than I normally do. Under 11 seconds for CS3 extended just now, with two both my web browers and news reader loaded. Seems fast enough to me for a PC. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:20 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac I have 4 Gb and noticed the same thing. A video app I have is even slower, but comes right up on a Mac at Mrs. Wave's school machine. I am thinking about reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling WinXP with just the software we currently run. My daughters have a tendency to download an install new software just to check it out. Windows does not do a good job completely uninstalling the software. I currently have both CS2 and CS3 on my computer. As soon as i can get my wife converted to CS3 I will do a new install and leave off CS2 and all the other junk that ends up on a computer used by teenagers. My wife absolutely hates to upgrade software, so I will have to walk her through the advantages of CS3. |
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac. I might be buying a new computer sooner than I normally do. Under 11 seconds for CS3 extended just now, with two both my web browers and news reader loaded. Seems fast enough to me for a PC. About 15 secs for CS3 the first time, but when I closed it to try it a second time, it opened in less than 5. Seems like there is a FNP Licensing Service program that takes awhile to check out everything when you first open the software, but it stays running in the background even after shutting Photoshop down. I think I paid about $1300 -$1500 for my off the shelf system about a year ago. I actually upgraded sound card and video card so I really not sure of the final cost, but it was in that range. It was around the same time you upgraded yours, what is the total cost on your custom job. The quick overview: Gateway GM5072 AMD Athlon 64X2 Dual Core 4200+ 2.21 GHZ 2.0 GB Ram |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac. I might be buying a new computer sooner than I normally do. Under 11 seconds for CS3 extended just now, with two both my web browers and news reader loaded. Seems fast enough to me for a PC. About 15 secs for CS3 the first time, but when I closed it to try it a second time, it opened in less than 5. Seems like there is a FNP Licensing Service program that takes awhile to check out everything when you first open the software, but it stays running in the background even after shutting Photoshop down. I think I paid about $1300 -$1500 for my off the shelf system about a year ago. I actually upgraded sound card and video card so I really not sure of the final cost, but it was in that range. It was around the same time you upgraded yours, what is the total cost on your custom job. The quick overview: Gateway GM5072 AMD Athlon 64X2 Dual Core 4200+ 2.21 GHZ 2.0 GB Ram Just under 2K. |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:54:23 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:20 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac I have 4 Gb and noticed the same thing. A video app I have is even slower, but comes right up on a Mac at Mrs. Wave's school machine. I am thinking about reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling WinXP with just the software we currently run. My daughters have a tendency to download an install new software just to check it out. Windows does not do a good job completely uninstalling the software. I don't have that problem anymore. I don't play games on this computer, I regularly update and clean out the cookies and clean the registries every once in a while. I'm running the pro version of XP - whatever that is and I have enough processor speed and memory for just about anything. I bought the latest version of Photoshop CS3 Extended so I'm dealing with a higher end image processor - lots of stuff in there. Maybe that's the problem? I currently have both CS2 and CS3 on my computer. As soon as i can get my wife converted to CS3 I will do a new install and leave off CS2 and all the other junk that ends up on a computer used by teenagers. My wife absolutely hates to upgrade software, so I will have to walk her through the advantages of CS3. |
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac. I might be buying a new computer sooner than I normally do. Under 11 seconds for CS3 extended just now, with two both my web browers and news reader loaded. Seems fast enough to me for a PC. About 15 secs for CS3 the first time, but when I closed it to try it a second time, it opened in less than 5. Seems like there is a FNP Licensing Service program that takes awhile to check out everything when you first open the software, but it stays running in the background even after shutting Photoshop down. I think I paid about $1300 -$1500 for my off the shelf system about a year ago. I actually upgraded sound card and video card so I really not sure of the final cost, but it was in that range. It was around the same time you upgraded yours, what is the total cost on your custom job. The quick overview: Gateway GM5072 AMD Athlon 64X2 Dual Core 4200+ 2.21 GHZ 2.0 GB Ram Just under 2K. and what is the quick overview of the system. |
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:54:23 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:20 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac I have 4 Gb and noticed the same thing. A video app I have is even slower, but comes right up on a Mac at Mrs. Wave's school machine. I am thinking about reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling WinXP with just the software we currently run. My daughters have a tendency to download an install new software just to check it out. Windows does not do a good job completely uninstalling the software. I don't have that problem anymore. I don't play games on this computer, I regularly update and clean out the cookies and clean the registries every once in a while. I'm running the pro version of XP - whatever that is and I have enough processor speed and memory for just about anything. I used to give my kids the old computer whenever I purchased a new one. That way they could play games and would not screw up my machine. That didn't work because the old machine would not run the new games. I then started giving my old machine to my mother who only used it for email and the internet. She soon got tired of using an old computer and purchased a new low end model. I am now giving away my old machine to neighbors or a community center who gives them to kids who can't afford a computer. |
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On Oct 30, 7:51 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:54:23 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:20 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac I have 4 Gb and noticed the same thing. A video app I have is even slower, but comes right up on a Mac at Mrs. Wave's school machine. I am thinking about reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling WinXP with just the software we currently run. My daughters have a tendency to download an install new software just to check it out. Windows does not do a good job completely uninstalling the software. I don't have that problem anymore. I don't play games on this computer, I regularly update and clean out the cookies and clean the registries every once in a while. I'm running the pro version of XP - whatever that is and I have enough processor speed and memory for just about anything. I used to give my kids the old computer whenever I purchased a new one. That way they could play games and would not screw up my machine. That didn't work because the old machine would not run the new games. I then started giving my old machine to my mother who only used it for email and the internet. She soon got tired of using an old computer and purchased a new low end model. I am now giving away my old machine to neighbors or a community center who gives them to kids who can't afford a computer. I am considering giving away my new laptop with Vista and getting a Mac or buying an older second hand laptop with XP |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac. I might be buying a new computer sooner than I normally do. Under 11 seconds for CS3 extended just now, with two both my web browers and news reader loaded. Seems fast enough to me for a PC. About 15 secs for CS3 the first time, but when I closed it to try it a second time, it opened in less than 5. Seems like there is a FNP Licensing Service program that takes awhile to check out everything when you first open the software, but it stays running in the background even after shutting Photoshop down. I think I paid about $1300 -$1500 for my off the shelf system about a year ago. I actually upgraded sound card and video card so I really not sure of the final cost, but it was in that range. It was around the same time you upgraded yours, what is the total cost on your custom job. The quick overview: Gateway GM5072 AMD Athlon 64X2 Dual Core 4200+ 2.21 GHZ 2.0 GB Ram Just under 2K. and what is the quick overview of the system. It runs just fine. :} |
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On Oct 30, 8:13 am, " JimH" ask wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in messagenews:hJOdnX8QZJalgLranZ2dnUVZ_qvinZ2d@comca st.com... wrote: On Oct 30, 7:51 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:54:23 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:20 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac I have 4 Gb and noticed the same thing. A video app I have is even slower, but comes right up on a Mac at Mrs. Wave's school machine. I am thinking about reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling WinXP with just the software we currently run. My daughters have a tendency to download an install new software just to check it out. Windows does not do a good job completely uninstalling the software. I don't have that problem anymore. I don't play games on this computer, I regularly update and clean out the cookies and clean the registries every once in a while. I'm running the pro version of XP - whatever that is and I have enough processor speed and memory for just about anything. I used to give my kids the old computer whenever I purchased a new one. That way they could play games and would not screw up my machine. That didn't work because the old machine would not run the new games. I then started giving my old machine to my mother who only used it for email and the internet. She soon got tired of using an old computer and purchased a new low end model. I am now giving away my old machine to neighbors or a community center who gives them to kids who can't afford a computer. I am considering giving away my new laptop with Vista and getting a Mac or buying an older second hand laptop with XP Why don't you just reformat the hard drive and install XP? Bingo! If Vista is not to my sons liking I will buy a WinXP Home retail package ($80 on the net), reformat it and install that OS. He will be giving it a go while home and will make the decision.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Listen guys... If you are going to surf the net, spellcheck ng posts, and edit pics of your little kitty cat, Mac is fine... If you are going to really make a living and do business, not so much.. Unless you are an art teacher or magazine editor.. even then... |
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On Oct 30, 8:43 am, "Canuck57" wrote:
" JimH" ask wrote in om... "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... wrote: On Oct 30, 7:51 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:54:23 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:20 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac I have 4 Gb and noticed the same thing. A video app I have is even slower, but comes right up on a Mac at Mrs. Wave's school machine. I am thinking about reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling WinXP with just the software we currently run. My daughters have a tendency to download an install new software just to check it out. Windows does not do a good job completely uninstalling the software. I don't have that problem anymore. I don't play games on this computer, I regularly update and clean out the cookies and clean the registries every once in a while. I'm running the pro version of XP - whatever that is and I have enough processor speed and memory for just about anything. I used to give my kids the old computer whenever I purchased a new one. That way they could play games and would not screw up my machine. That didn't work because the old machine would not run the new games. I then started giving my old machine to my mother who only used it for email and the internet. She soon got tired of using an old computer and purchased a new low end model. I am now giving away my old machine to neighbors or a community center who gives them to kids who can't afford a computer. I am considering giving away my new laptop with Vista and getting a Mac or buying an older second hand laptop with XP Why don't you just reformat the hard drive and install XP? Bingo! If Vista is not to my sons liking I will buy a WinXP Home retail package ($80 on the net), reformat it and install that OS. He will be giving it a go while home and will make the decision. So how does it feel to be charged twice for an OS?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is called "the cost of doing business"... Sometimes it sucks, but like I said, if you want to do business, you gotta' do PC. |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:51:45 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:54:23 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:20 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac I have 4 Gb and noticed the same thing. A video app I have is even slower, but comes right up on a Mac at Mrs. Wave's school machine. I am thinking about reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling WinXP with just the software we currently run. My daughters have a tendency to download an install new software just to check it out. Windows does not do a good job completely uninstalling the software. I don't have that problem anymore. I don't play games on this computer, I regularly update and clean out the cookies and clean the registries every once in a while. I'm running the pro version of XP - whatever that is and I have enough processor speed and memory for just about anything. I used to give my kids the old computer whenever I purchased a new one. That way they could play games and would not screw up my machine. That didn't work because the old machine would not run the new games. I then started giving my old machine to my mother who only used it for email and the internet. She soon got tired of using an old computer and purchased a new low end model. I am now giving away my old machine to neighbors or a community center who gives them to kids who can't afford a computer. That's a nice thing to do! |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:13:42 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... wrote: On Oct 30, 7:51 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:54:23 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:20 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac I have 4 Gb and noticed the same thing. A video app I have is even slower, but comes right up on a Mac at Mrs. Wave's school machine. I am thinking about reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling WinXP with just the software we currently run. My daughters have a tendency to download an install new software just to check it out. Windows does not do a good job completely uninstalling the software. I don't have that problem anymore. I don't play games on this computer, I regularly update and clean out the cookies and clean the registries every once in a while. I'm running the pro version of XP - whatever that is and I have enough processor speed and memory for just about anything. I used to give my kids the old computer whenever I purchased a new one. That way they could play games and would not screw up my machine. That didn't work because the old machine would not run the new games. I then started giving my old machine to my mother who only used it for email and the internet. She soon got tired of using an old computer and purchased a new low end model. I am now giving away my old machine to neighbors or a community center who gives them to kids who can't afford a computer. I am considering giving away my new laptop with Vista and getting a Mac or buying an older second hand laptop with XP Why don't you just reformat the hard drive and install XP? Bingo! If Vista is not to my sons liking I will buy a WinXP Home retail package ($80 on the net), reformat it and install that OS. He will be giving it a go while home and will make the decision. He will love what you give him. Vista, from the expert's comments you've shown us, is the way to go. And, based on Reggie's comments, you should be happy with that AMD chip. I was totally wrong with my comment about the Intel chips. Reggie knows what he's talking about when it comes to computers! |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:36:13 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:
"John H." wrote in message .. . On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:13:42 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message om... wrote: On Oct 30, 7:51 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:54:23 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:20 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac I have 4 Gb and noticed the same thing. A video app I have is even slower, but comes right up on a Mac at Mrs. Wave's school machine. I am thinking about reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling WinXP with just the software we currently run. My daughters have a tendency to download an install new software just to check it out. Windows does not do a good job completely uninstalling the software. I don't have that problem anymore. I don't play games on this computer, I regularly update and clean out the cookies and clean the registries every once in a while. I'm running the pro version of XP - whatever that is and I have enough processor speed and memory for just about anything. I used to give my kids the old computer whenever I purchased a new one. That way they could play games and would not screw up my machine. That didn't work because the old machine would not run the new games. I then started giving my old machine to my mother who only used it for email and the internet. She soon got tired of using an old computer and purchased a new low end model. I am now giving away my old machine to neighbors or a community center who gives them to kids who can't afford a computer. I am considering giving away my new laptop with Vista and getting a Mac or buying an older second hand laptop with XP Why don't you just reformat the hard drive and install XP? Bingo! If Vista is not to my sons liking I will buy a WinXP Home retail package ($80 on the net), reformat it and install that OS. He will be giving it a go while home and will make the decision. He will love what you give him. Vista, from the expert's comments you've shown us, is the way to go. He will be the one making the decision. Now how about this........stop puppy dogging me with your snarky comments. I will do the same. Deal? As 'snarky' isn't in my vocabulary, perhaps you could explain what about the last post of mine is 'snarky'. And Jimh, from my observations, your 'deals' are much like your 'apologies', and we won't go there. I think your son will be tickled with whatever you give him, and justifiably so! ;-) |
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wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 30, 8:43 am, "Canuck57" wrote: " JimH" ask wrote in om... "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... wrote: On Oct 30, 7:51 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:54:23 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:20 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac I have 4 Gb and noticed the same thing. A video app I have is even slower, but comes right up on a Mac at Mrs. Wave's school machine. I am thinking about reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling WinXP with just the software we currently run. My daughters have a tendency to download an install new software just to check it out. Windows does not do a good job completely uninstalling the software. I don't have that problem anymore. I don't play games on this computer, I regularly update and clean out the cookies and clean the registries every once in a while. I'm running the pro version of XP - whatever that is and I have enough processor speed and memory for just about anything. I used to give my kids the old computer whenever I purchased a new one. That way they could play games and would not screw up my machine. That didn't work because the old machine would not run the new games. I then started giving my old machine to my mother who only used it for email and the internet. She soon got tired of using an old computer and purchased a new low end model. I am now giving away my old machine to neighbors or a community center who gives them to kids who can't afford a computer. I am considering giving away my new laptop with Vista and getting a Mac or buying an older second hand laptop with XP Why don't you just reformat the hard drive and install XP? Bingo! If Vista is not to my sons liking I will buy a WinXP Home retail package ($80 on the net), reformat it and install that OS. He will be giving it a go while home and will make the decision. So how does it feel to be charged twice for an OS?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is called "the cost of doing business"... Sometimes it sucks, but like I said, if you want to do business, you gotta' do PC. Not really true any more. I have almost finished setting up Linux, and just have the VPN software to go and it will be work ready. In fact, for many of my clients Linux and other UNIX is preferred as it is native to the development I provide. By my case is not main stream. I couldn't stomach the thought of paying for windows twice. But Macs are a great alternative. Not as many if any get root kits, bot'ed and open office can do anything MS Office can, just costs a whole lot less. In the end a Mac owner will spend less time putzing with their PC and patches and more time using it. Comes with wireless, modem and Ethernet so when on the road with a boat, it can do anything a McWin PC can do. |
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On Oct 30, 9:57 am, "Canuck57" wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 30, 8:43 am, "Canuck57" wrote: " JimH" ask wrote in om... "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... wrote: On Oct 30, 7:51 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:54:23 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:20 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac I have 4 Gb and noticed the same thing. A video app I have is even slower, but comes right up on a Mac at Mrs. Wave's school machine. I am thinking about reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling WinXP with just the software we currently run. My daughters have a tendency to download an install new software just to check it out. Windows does not do a good job completely uninstalling the software. I don't have that problem anymore. I don't play games on this computer, I regularly update and clean out the cookies and clean the registries every once in a while. I'm running the pro version of XP - whatever that is and I have enough processor speed and memory for just about anything. I used to give my kids the old computer whenever I purchased a new one. That way they could play games and would not screw up my machine. That didn't work because the old machine would not run the new games. I then started giving my old machine to my mother who only used it for email and the internet. She soon got tired of using an old computer and purchased a new low end model. I am now giving away my old machine to neighbors or a community center who gives them to kids who can't afford a computer. I am considering giving away my new laptop with Vista and getting a Mac or buying an older second hand laptop with XP Why don't you just reformat the hard drive and install XP? Bingo! If Vista is not to my sons liking I will buy a WinXP Home retail package ($80 on the net), reformat it and install that OS. He will be giving it a go while home and will make the decision. So how does it feel to be charged twice for an OS?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is called "the cost of doing business"... Sometimes it sucks, but like I said, if you want to do business, you gotta' do PC. Not really true any more. I have almost finished setting up Linux, and just have the VPN software to go and it will be work ready. In fact, for many of my clients Linux and other UNIX is preferred as it is native to the development I provide. By my case is not main stream. I couldn't stomach the thought of paying for windows twice. But Macs are a great alternative. Not as many if any get root kits, bot'ed and open office can do anything MS Office can, just costs a whole lot less. In the end a Mac owner will spend less time putzing with their PC and patches and more time using it. Comes with wireless, modem and Ethernet so when on the road with a boat, it can do anything a McWin PC can do.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Gotta" go to work now but later I would to continue this, if you guys can keep the wheels on the conv. for a few hours;) But I would note as I said before, all of our main systems are Unix, Linux, Apache.... But I was dealing with the Mac vs Pc issue.. |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:28:51 -0500, John H. penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |When I first started teaching, we had Macs everywhere. I think they were |being given to the schools in the hopes the kids would get hooked. |Eventually the county in which I teach got the word and went with Dells, |for the most part. Now it's hard to find a Mac in the school. Yeah, great half-marketing strategy. Apple gave the schools tons of computers.... and they were used and appreciated. It didn't work because Apple did a poor job of placing computers in the workplace. Employers didn't see any advantage in students trained on computers and an operating system they didn't use. So..... Dell is usually the low bid and school systems buy cheap. We have thousands of computers at my school and they are all Dell.... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:28:51 -0500, John H. penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |When I first started teaching, we had Macs everywhere. I think they were |being given to the schools in the hopes the kids would get hooked. |Eventually the county in which I teach got the word and went with Dells, |for the most part. Now it's hard to find a Mac in the school. Yeah, great half-marketing strategy. Apple gave the schools tons of computers.... and they were used and appreciated. It didn't work because Apple did a poor job of placing computers in the workplace. Employers didn't see any advantage in students trained on computers and an operating system they didn't use. So..... Dell is usually the low bid and school systems buy cheap. We have thousands of computers at my school and they are all Dell.... I love the Apple stores at the two malls around here, and I sure like the ergonomics of the Apple computers, but the higher end machines are grossly overpriced, to the point of being ridiculous when you consider what is actually inside the nice case. What's in the case? A proprietary motherboard and chipset and beyond that, standard PC components available everywhere at much much lower prices. Apple spends a lot of time and money on the external design of its produces, and this is as true for its PCs as it is for its iPods. |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:28:51 -0500, John H. penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |When I first started teaching, we had Macs everywhere. I think they were |being given to the schools in the hopes the kids would get hooked. |Eventually the county in which I teach got the word and went with Dells, |for the most part. Now it's hard to find a Mac in the school. Yeah, great half-marketing strategy. Apple gave the schools tons of computers.... and they were used and appreciated. It didn't work because Apple did a poor job of placing computers in the workplace. Employers didn't see any advantage in students trained on computers and an operating system they didn't use. So..... Dell is usually the low bid and school systems buy cheap. We have thousands of computers at my school and they are all Dell.... This is the converse of how UNIX took over software development. |
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wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 30, 8:13 am, " JimH" ask wrote: "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in messagenews:hJOdnX8QZJalgLranZ2dnUVZ_qvinZ2d@comca st.com... wrote: On Oct 30, 7:51 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:54:23 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:24:20 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: The reason I have started to think about this is I have a Win XP Duo Core processor with 2GB of Ram, and I am amazed at how slow Photoshop CS3 loads, especially when I compare the speed of Photoshop CS3 running on an older Mac I have 4 Gb and noticed the same thing. A video app I have is even slower, but comes right up on a Mac at Mrs. Wave's school machine. I am thinking about reformatting my hard drive and reinstalling WinXP with just the software we currently run. My daughters have a tendency to download an install new software just to check it out. Windows does not do a good job completely uninstalling the software. I don't have that problem anymore. I don't play games on this computer, I regularly update and clean out the cookies and clean the registries every once in a while. I'm running the pro version of XP - whatever that is and I have enough processor speed and memory for just about anything. I used to give my kids the old computer whenever I purchased a new one. That way they could play games and would not screw up my machine. That didn't work because the old machine would not run the new games. I then started giving my old machine to my mother who only used it for email and the internet. She soon got tired of using an old computer and purchased a new low end model. I am now giving away my old machine to neighbors or a community center who gives them to kids who can't afford a computer. I am considering giving away my new laptop with Vista and getting a Mac or buying an older second hand laptop with XP Why don't you just reformat the hard drive and install XP? Bingo! If Vista is not to my sons liking I will buy a WinXP Home retail package ($80 on the net), reformat it and install that OS. He will be giving it a go while home and will make the decision.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Listen guys... If you are going to surf the net, spellcheck ng posts, and edit pics of your little kitty cat, Mac is fine... If you are going to really make a living and do business, not so much.. Unless you are an art teacher or magazine editor.. even then... The new macs with the Intel CPU run windows just fine. Actually I hear that it is the best Windows machine. |
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"BAR" wrote in message . .. Gene Kearns wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:28:51 -0500, John H. penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |When I first started teaching, we had Macs everywhere. I think they were |being given to the schools in the hopes the kids would get hooked. |Eventually the county in which I teach got the word and went with Dells, |for the most part. Now it's hard to find a Mac in the school. Yeah, great half-marketing strategy. Apple gave the schools tons of computers.... and they were used and appreciated. It didn't work because Apple did a poor job of placing computers in the workplace. Employers didn't see any advantage in students trained on computers and an operating system they didn't use. So..... Dell is usually the low bid and school systems buy cheap. We have thousands of computers at my school and they are all Dell.... This is the converse of how UNIX took over software development. No it isn't. Bell Labs used to deliver Unix to the schools for the VAX systems for $250 copy fee. $25k to a commercial customer. So lots of programmers coming out of school were used to Unix and C. |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:16:34 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:
" JimH" ask wrote in message .. . "John H." wrote in message He will love what you give him. Vista, from the expert's comments you've shown us, is the way to go. He will be the one making the decision. Now how about this........stop puppy dogging me with your snarky comments. I will do the same. Deal? crickets It's interesting how people interpret things in different ways, perhaps a failure of the written word, but I've also seen it happen in verbal conversation. In the spirit of "leading by example", I will have nothing further to say. |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:22:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: About 15 secs for CS3 the first time, but when I closed it to try it a second time, it opened in less than 5. Seems like there is a FNP Licensing Service program that takes awhile to check out everything when you first open the software, but it stays running in the background even after shutting Photoshop down. Perhaps but I think there's another reason also. I'd guess that a lot of the I/O buffers used in the previous open are still laying around untouched. Any time you can avoid an I/O by reusing a buffer cache it saves a lot of time. |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:59:36 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote:
Careful or John will accuse you of having a cheap AMD processor. Or in the spirit of "leading by example" will have nothing to say at all. |
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If you need to improve your system performance on the PC, then you need
to use all the tricks to acheive that. Like changing the Performance properties of MY Computer to the 'best performance' Have Virtual Cache Memory on a different drive than the OS disk drives That may give you maybe .5 to 1.5 better performance My .02 G Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:59:36 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote: Careful or John will accuse you of having a cheap AMD processor. Or in the spirit of "leading by example" will have nothing to say at all. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:22:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: About 15 secs for CS3 the first time, but when I closed it to try it a second time, it opened in less than 5. Seems like there is a FNP Licensing Service program that takes awhile to check out everything when you first open the software, but it stays running in the background even after shutting Photoshop down. Perhaps but I think there's another reason also. I'd guess that a lot of the I/O buffers used in the previous open are still laying around untouched. Any time you can avoid an I/O by reusing a buffer cache it saves a lot of time. Yeah, that was going to be my 2nd guess. |
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:28:28 -0800, Calif Bill penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | |"BAR" wrote in message ... | Gene Kearns wrote: | On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:28:51 -0500, John H. penned the following well | considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | | | |When I first started teaching, we had Macs everywhere. I think they were | |being given to the schools in the hopes the kids would get hooked. | |Eventually the county in which I teach got the word and went with Dells, | |for the most part. Now it's hard to find a Mac in the school. | | Yeah, great half-marketing strategy. Apple gave the schools tons of | computers.... and they were used and appreciated. | | It didn't work because Apple did a poor job of placing computers in | the workplace. Employers didn't see any advantage in students trained | on computers and an operating system they didn't use. So..... Dell is | usually the low bid and school systems buy cheap. We | have thousands of computers at my school and they are all Dell.... | | | This is the converse of how UNIX took over software development. | |No it isn't. Bell Labs used to deliver Unix to the schools for the VAX |systems for $250 copy fee. $25k to a commercial customer. So lots of |programmers coming out of school were used to Unix and C. | And Pascal..... which came bundled with our Interactive Unix.... in the late 70's and early 80's -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage http://pamandgene.idleplay.net/ Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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On Oct 31, 10:49 am, Gil wrote:
If you need to improve your system performance on the PC, then you need to use all the tricks to acheive that. Like changing the Performance properties of MY Computer to the 'best performance' Have Virtual Cache Memory on a different drive than the OS disk drives That may give you maybe .5 to 1.5 better performance My .02 G Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:59:36 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote: Careful or John will accuse you of having a cheap AMD processor. Or in the spirit of "leading by example" will have nothing to say at all.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But who really needs an extra .5? My dad showed me a news story today about how we are falling behind the world in Broadband technology, mostly related to speed. My response, so what (did not say that to him;) I told him that it was my opinion that if 1/4 of one percent of businesses in the states were being held back by broadband speeds to any extent. Maybe some folks could use a faster personal computer, but even then, mostly for convienience. Uh, in a nutshell.;) Just my opinon folks, prove me wrong, and I will be grateful, I am open minded, things change... |
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Just install Linux. 300% performance improvement immediately.
Gil wrote: If you need to improve your system performance on the PC, then you need to use all the tricks to acheive that. Like changing the Performance properties of MY Computer to the 'best performance' Have Virtual Cache Memory on a different drive than the OS disk drives That may give you maybe .5 to 1.5 better performance My .02 G Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:59:36 -0400, " JimH" ask wrote: Careful or John will accuse you of having a cheap AMD processor. Or in the spirit of "leading by example" will have nothing to say at all. |
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:28:28 -0800, Calif Bill penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | |"BAR" wrote in message ... | Gene Kearns wrote: | On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:28:51 -0500, John H. penned the following well | considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: | | | |When I first started teaching, we had Macs everywhere. I think they were | |being given to the schools in the hopes the kids would get hooked. | |Eventually the county in which I teach got the word and went with Dells, | |for the most part. Now it's hard to find a Mac in the school. | | Yeah, great half-marketing strategy. Apple gave the schools tons of | computers.... and they were used and appreciated. | | It didn't work because Apple did a poor job of placing computers in | the workplace. Employers didn't see any advantage in students trained | on computers and an operating system they didn't use. So..... Dell is | usually the low bid and school systems buy cheap. We | have thousands of computers at my school and they are all Dell.... | | | This is the converse of how UNIX took over software development. | |No it isn't. Bell Labs used to deliver Unix to the schools for the VAX |systems for $250 copy fee. $25k to a commercial customer. So lots of |programmers coming out of school were used to Unix and C. | And Pascal..... which came bundled with our Interactive Unix.... in the late 70's and early 80's Pascal, the crappiest language I ever had to deal with. |
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