A Boat Buyers Market
 

The boat re-sale market has changed considerably over the past few
months. I attended a industry conference on October 2nd that was
hosted by Yachtworld.com, the international Multiple Listing Service
used by yacht brokers and a major service that yacht brokers use in
marketing and advertising their boat listings to the boat buying
public. One piece of disturbing information that we learned at the
conference was that in the month of September 2007 the total number of
boats sold by the 275 Yachtworld broker members in California was 274
boats. This averages a little less than one boat sold per brokerage
for that month. It is forecasted that the average will continue to
decline as we go into the holiday season and then the "tax season"
which will follow shortly thereafter. All of the boats that my
brokerage sold in September were sold at considerably less than what
the market values, or listing prices, were for the boats.

The slow down in the boat market can be attributed to, among other
things, the current down trend, recent decline and uncertainty in the
United Stated stock and real estate markets and the tightening of loan
criteria in the finance industry. Historically the boat sales market
is highly affected by theses, among other things. The number of boat
for sale inquiries that my office receives on a daily basis declined
drastically the day after the announcement of the Countrywide Mortgage
crisis a couple of months ago. As the boating season enters its annual
hiatus we will see further declines in inquiries from prospective
buyers. This is something that yacht brokers plan for yearly. The
question is will the boat sales market rebound in the spring when
people normally get the "boating bug" and the start of the boat buying
season begins? In my opinion, as a professional industry observer, the
answer to that question is a resounding "no."

The fair market values for boats today are not what they were even one
month ago. For the past few months, in the middle of the boat buying
"season," we have consistently seen boats sold for as much as 60% of
what their fair market values were just three months ago. Typically
boat owners, who take good care of their vessels, have made numerous
upgrades, have low hours on the engines, etc., feel that their boats
are certainly worth more than what the fair market values are. In a
good sellers market this can sometimes be true. In today's market,
however, this is far from being true or even realistic. Right now, and
for the foreseeable future, we are in an extremely favorable buyers
market.

Yacht brokers, marine lenders, yacht surveyors and other industry
professionals try to keep a good positive attitude about the future of
the market. However positive their attitudes might be will not be
enough to magically turn the market around. It is well known that a
boat will sell only for as much as the market will bear. The market is
not bearing very much right now and it will have to get in line behind
the real estate market, stock market and the finance industry and wait
until after they get healthy again before the present buyers market
begins to lean in the other direction favorable to boat sellers.
Meanwhile a boat seller can expect to keep his boat on the market
possibly for a long time before finding a buyer who is willing to pay
the fair market value for the boat. What about the seller who needs to
sell the family boat quickly, or at least in a reasonable amount of
time for whatever reason? Based on what I, as well as many other
industry professionals, who have been closely observing the market for
the past few months think, is that the seller can expect to get offers
to purchase the boat for as much as 60% below what the fair market
value of the boat was a few months ago. All too often, for lack of any
better offers and the need for cash, the seller will end up selling at
a highly deflated price. Time will tell, but this might be the best,
or at least one of the best boat buyers market ever and the market
will likely continue to favor buyers for quite some time to come.

There are some things that a boat seller can do in order to get top
dollar, or even substantially more, for his boat without incurring any
additional out of pocket expenses preparing the boat for sale. Some of
those things will be discussed in my next post entitled "How A Seller
Can Profit In A Boat Buyers Market."

A Boat Buyers Market
 

SoCalYachtBroker wrote in
ups.com:

The boat re-sale market has changed considerably over the past few
months.

Up here in BC, seeing the opposite, mind you I'm watching 20'bowriders
mostly, not bathtubs with parachutes :-)

As economy perks along at full tilt more and more are buying, and with such
a strong canuck dollar american boats looked good but now they are trying
to gouge canuck buyers. Ads on craiglist and such are $k's higher than
just a few months ago as they try to take advantage of CAN$.
Ron

A Boat Buyers Market
 

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:06:37 GMT, Ron wrote:

SoCalYachtBroker wrote in
oups.com:

The boat re-sale market has changed considerably over the past few
months.

Up here in BC, seeing the opposite, mind you I'm watching 20'bowriders
mostly, not bathtubs with parachutes :-)

As economy perks along at full tilt more and more are buying, and with such
a strong canuck dollar american boats looked good but now they are trying
to gouge canuck buyers. Ads on craiglist and such are $k's higher than
just a few months ago as they try to take advantage of CAN$.

So what you are telling me is that I should have charged Don more for
my boat than I did?

Damn - now he tells me. :)

A Boat Buyers Market
 

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:06:37 GMT, Ron wrote:

SoCalYachtBroker wrote in
roups.com:

The boat re-sale market has changed considerably over the past few
months.

Up here in BC, seeing the opposite, mind you I'm watching 20'bowriders
mostly, not bathtubs with parachutes :-)

As economy perks along at full tilt more and more are buying, and with
such
a strong canuck dollar american boats looked good but now they are trying
to gouge canuck buyers. Ads on craiglist and such are $k's higher than
just a few months ago as they try to take advantage of CAN$.

So what you are telling me is that I should have charged Don more for
my boat than I did?

Damn - now he tells me. :)

I should have got you to hold the boat a couple of months for me. The way
your yankee dollah is slidin', it would seem like I was getting your boat
almost free by paying in American cash. I heard today the loonie was worth
$1.04 US.

A Boat Buyers Market
 

On Oct 26, 6:07?am, "Don White" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:86h3i3h5p8bobv76420b5igv1phr0sdsi3@4ax .com...





On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:06:37 GMT, Ron wrote:

SoCalYachtBroker wrote in
roups.com:

The boat re-sale market has changed considerably over the past few
months.

Up here in BC, seeing the opposite, mind you I'm watching 20'bowriders
mostly, not bathtubs with parachutes :-)

As economy perks along at full tilt more and more are buying, and with
such
a strong canuck dollar american boats looked good but now they are trying
to gouge canuck buyers. Ads on craiglist and such are $k's higher than
just a few months ago as they try to take advantage of CAN$.

So what you are telling me is that I should have charged Don more for
my boat than I did?

Damn - now he tells me. :)

I should have got you to hold the boat a couple of months for me. The way
your yankee dollah is slidin', it would seem like I was getting your boat
almost free by paying in American cash. I heard today the loonie was worth
$1.04 US.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You ain't seen nuthin yet......

Next thing you know Confederate money will be at par and The South
will Rise Again. :-)

A Boat Buyers Market
 

On Oct 25, 7:06?pm, Ron wrote:
SoCalYachtBroker wrote roups.com:

The boat re-sale market has changed considerably over the past few
months.

Up here in BC, seeing the opposite, mind you I'm watching 20'bowriders
mostly, not bathtubs with parachutes :-)

As economy perks along at full tilt more and more are buying, and with such
a strong canuck dollar american boats looked good but now they are trying
to gouge canuck buyers. Ads on craiglist and such are $k's higher than
just a few months ago as they try to take advantage of CAN$.
Ron

How can the brokers gouge Canadian buyers?

It's illegal in the US to demand more than the advertised price for a
boat. (The buyer is free to offer more than the advertised price, in a
"bidding war", for example).

No way can somebody say, "Yeah, we're advertising the boat for
$90,000- but if somebody from Canada wants to buy it we need $105k"

From the perspective of advertising, the same prices are offered to
all comers. Putting a ridiculously high price on a boat just in case a
Canadian buyer with some supercharged currency happens along doesn't
make much sense......most of the business is *still* going to be
local, and a ridiculously high price will keep the phone from ringing
and the web site will be a ghost town.

A Boat Buyers Market
 

On Oct 26, 6:07?am, "Don White" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in messagenews:86h3i3h5p8bobv76420b5igv1phr0sdsi3@4ax .com...





On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:06:37 GMT, Ron wrote:

SoCalYachtBroker wrote in
roups.com:

The boat re-sale market has changed considerably over the past few
months.

Up here in BC, seeing the opposite, mind you I'm watching 20'bowriders
mostly, not bathtubs with parachutes :-)

As economy perks along at full tilt more and more are buying, and with
such
a strong canuck dollar american boats looked good but now they are trying
to gouge canuck buyers. Ads on craiglist and such are $k's higher than
just a few months ago as they try to take advantage of CAN$.

So what you are telling me is that I should have charged Don more for
my boat than I did?

Damn - now he tells me. :)

I should have got you to hold the boat a couple of months for me. The way
your yankee dollah is slidin', it would seem like I was getting your boat
almost free by paying in American cash. I heard today the loonie was worth
$1.04 US.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Canadian dollar may eventually be headed for $1.50 US. The Yankee
buck has been reduced to junk bond status.

No political comment, just a fact:

The last time we had $zero in National debt, Andrew Jackson was
President. Between the presidency of Andrew Jackson and May of the
year 2000, the US national debt rose to $5.7 trillion.

Between May of 2000 and October 2007, the national debt increased from
$5.7 trillion to over $9 trillion. A 50% increase in the last seven
years. Good grief!

Oh well, an item in the paper this morning said "exports are up, with
the collapse of the US dollar everything for sale in the US suddenly
seems cheap." Maybe that's the bright news. :-)

A Boat Buyers Market
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
snip...
Oh well, an item in the paper this morning said "exports are up, with
the collapse of the US dollar everything for sale in the US suddenly
seems cheap." Maybe that's the bright news. :-)


We're already hearing companies crying about how our expensivedollar is
hurting sales south of the border.
latest is the building lumber people who are getting a $36 mil handout from
the gov't to keep them solvent over this 'hard time'.
Funny thing is.. the largest company, Irving, is making a bundle on gas
products.
talk about corporate welfare bums!

A Boat Buyers Market
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Oct 26, 6:07?am, "Don White" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
messagenews:86h3i3h5p8bobv76420b5igv1phr0sdsi3@4ax .com...





On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:06:37 GMT, Ron wrote:
SoCalYachtBroker wrote in
ups.com:
The boat re-sale market has changed considerably over the past few
months.
Up here in BC, seeing the opposite, mind you I'm watching 20'bowriders
mostly, not bathtubs with parachutes :-)
As economy perks along at full tilt more and more are buying, and with
such
a strong canuck dollar american boats looked good but now they are
trying
to gouge canuck buyers. Ads on craiglist and such are $k's higher than
just a few months ago as they try to take advantage of CAN$.
So what you are telling me is that I should have charged Don more for
my boat than I did?
Damn - now he tells me. :)
I should have got you to hold the boat a couple of months for me. The
way
your yankee dollah is slidin', it would seem like I was getting your
boat
almost free by paying in American cash. I heard today the loonie was
worth
$1.04 US.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
The Canadian dollar may eventually be headed for $1.50 US. The Yankee
buck has been reduced to junk bond status.

No political comment, just a fact:

The last time we had $zero in National debt, Andrew Jackson was
President. Between the presidency of Andrew Jackson and May of the
year 2000, the US national debt rose to $5.7 trillion.

Between May of 2000 and October 2007, the national debt increased from
$5.7 trillion to over $9 trillion. A 50% increase in the last seven
years. Good grief!


A 50% increase over $5.7 trillion would be about $2.8 trillion, for a
total of about $8.5 trillion. This is a bit more.

Even worse, if that is possible, the estimates are that Bush will have
blown more than $2 trillion on Iraq by the time that debacle winds down.
Two trillion dollars would have gone a long way towards fighting a
genuine war on terror and beefing up our infrastructure.

A Boat Buyers Market
 

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:42:48 -0400, JimH wrote:


But.................The National debt as a % of GDP was actually higher
under the Clinton regime. Good grief!

BTW: No political comment......just a fact. ;-)

The Clinton *regime* is not a political comment, BS. Look at the graph, notice the National
Debt. goes up under recent Republicans, and down, under Democrats.

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP-L.gif

A Boat Buyers Market
 

On Oct 26, 2:42?pm, " JimH" ask wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...





"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
groups.com...
On Oct 26, 6:07?am, "Don White" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
messagenews:86h3i3h5p8bobv76420b5igv1phr0sdsi3@4ax .com...

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:06:37 GMT, Ron wrote:
SoCalYachtBroker wrote in
glegroups.com:
The boat re-sale market has changed considerably over the past few
months.
Up here in BC, seeing the opposite, mind you I'm watching
20'bowriders
mostly, not bathtubs with parachutes :-)
As economy perks along at full tilt more and more are buying, and
with
such
a strong canuck dollar american boats looked good but now they are
trying
to gouge canuck buyers. Ads on craiglist and such are $k's higher
than
just a few months ago as they try to take advantage of CAN$.
So what you are telling me is that I should have charged Don more for
my boat than I did?
Damn - now he tells me. :)
I should have got you to hold the boat a couple of months for me. The
way
your yankee dollah is slidin', it would seem like I was getting your
boat
almost free by paying in American cash. I heard today the loonie was
worth
$1.04 US.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
The Canadian dollar may eventually be headed for $1.50 US. The Yankee
buck has been reduced to junk bond status.

No political comment, just a fact:

The last time we had $zero in National debt, Andrew Jackson was
President. Between the presidency of Andrew Jackson and May of the
year 2000, the US national debt rose to $5.7 trillion.

Between May of 2000 and October 2007, the national debt increased from
$5.7 trillion to over $9 trillion. A 50% increase in the last seven
years. Good grief!

A 50% increase over $5.7 trillion would be about $2.8 trillion, for a
total of about $8.5 trillion. This is a bit more.

But.................The National debt as a % of GDP was actually higher
under the Clinton regime. Good grief!

BTW: No political comment......just a fact. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You mean we changed presidents somewhere along the way?

Oh, yeah. I guess we did. :-)

A Boat Buyers Market
 

"Don White" wrote in
:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:06:37 GMT, Ron wrote:

SoCalYachtBroker wrote in
groups.com:

The boat re-sale market has changed considerably over the past few
months.

Up here in BC, seeing the opposite, mind you I'm watching
20'bowriders mostly, not bathtubs with parachutes :-)

As economy perks along at full tilt more and more are buying, and
with such
a strong canuck dollar american boats looked good but now they are
trying to gouge canuck buyers. Ads on craiglist and such are $k's
higher than just a few months ago as they try to take advantage of
CAN$.

So what you are telling me is that I should have charged Don more for
my boat than I did?

Damn - now he tells me. :)

I should have got you to hold the boat a couple of months for me. The
way your yankee dollah is slidin', it would seem like I was getting
your boat almost free by paying in American cash. I heard today the
loonie was worth $1.04 US.

Yep Walmart has 48 departments now,
Washington, Oregon, Cali, Texass, ....:-)
Ron in BC

A Boat Buyers Market
 

Chuck Gould wrote in
ups.com:

On Oct 25, 7:06?pm, Ron wrote:
SoCalYachtBroker wrote
roups.com:

The boat re-sale market has changed considerably over the past few
months.

Up here in BC, seeing the opposite, mind you I'm watching
20'bowriders mostly, not bathtubs with parachutes :-)

As economy perks along at full tilt more and more are buying, and
with such a strong canuck dollar american boats looked good but now
they are trying to gouge canuck buyers. Ads on craiglist and such
are $k's higher than just a few months ago as they try to take
advantage of CAN$. Ron

How can the brokers gouge Canadian buyers?

It's illegal in the US to demand more than the advertised price for a
boat. (The buyer is free to offer more than the advertised price, in a
"bidding war", for example).

No way can somebody say, "Yeah, we're advertising the boat for
$90,000- but if somebody from Canada wants to buy it we need $105k"

From the perspective of advertising, the same prices are offered to
all comers. Putting a ridiculously high price on a boat just in case a
Canadian buyer with some supercharged currency happens along doesn't
make much sense......most of the business is *still* going to be
local, and a ridiculously high price will keep the phone from ringing
and the web site will be a ghost town.

Chuck what I am saying is private sellers, not brokers, advertised their
boat back in july or aug and now in oct want more, not less. I don't pay
much attention to brokerage ads. Sellers are targetting canadian buyers by
posting in craiglists for canadian cities.
Ron

A Boat Buyers Market
 

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:06:37 GMT, Ron penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

SoCalYachtBroker wrote in
ups.com:

The boat re-sale market has changed considerably over the past few
months.
Up here in BC, seeing the opposite, mind you I'm watching 20'bowriders
mostly, not bathtubs with parachutes :-)

Locally....same here.

I was talking to the owner of the largest local boat dealership. He
said virtually everybody was downsizing to the 18'-20' range and that
consequently he ended up with a glut of larger trade-in boats.

He began getting calls from abroad (not Canada) offering the asking
prices for these boats (bubbles were in high demand).



There seems to be a lot more used boats "for sale" then I recall ever
seeing before. All the marinas around here have boats of all sizes with
"For Sale" signs on the them, and you can't drive down any of the roads
here without seeing all manner of boats up on trailers with "for sale"
signs on them, a lot more than I've ever noticed at the end of previous
seasons.

A Boat Buyers Market
 

JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:06:37 GMT, Ron penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

SoCalYachtBroker wrote in
ups.com:

The boat re-sale market has changed considerably over the past few
months.
Up here in BC, seeing the opposite, mind you I'm watching 20'bowriders
mostly, not bathtubs with parachutes :-)
Locally....same here.

I was talking to the owner of the largest local boat dealership. He
said virtually everybody was downsizing to the 18'-20' range and that
consequently he ended up with a glut of larger trade-in boats.

He began getting calls from abroad (not Canada) offering the asking
prices for these boats (bubbles were in high demand).

There seems to be a lot more used boats "for sale" then I recall ever
seeing before. All the marinas around here have boats of all sizes with
"For Sale" signs on the them, and you can't drive down any of the roads
here without seeing all manner of boats up on trailers with "for sale"
signs on them, a lot more than I've ever noticed at the end of previous
seasons.


Are their trailers sitting up on blocks? ;-)



Every day, the sellers pull them up to the end of the drive, jack up the
trailers, and put the blocks under the frames! Makes it a lot easier to
steal the wheels and tires.

A Boat Buyers Market
 

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 08:04:03 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

He began getting calls from abroad (not Canada) offering the asking
prices for these boats (bubbles were in high demand).

Sheesh, if we could find a good market for bubbas we could all be
rich. I know where there's a lot of them.

:-)

A Boat Buyers Market
 

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Oct 26, 2:42?pm, " JimH" ask wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...





"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
groups.com...
On Oct 26, 6:07?am, "Don White" wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
messagenews:86h3i3h5p8bobv76420b5igv1phr0sdsi3@4ax .com...

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:06:37 GMT, Ron wrote:
SoCalYachtBroker wrote in
glegroups.com:
The boat re-sale market has changed considerably over the past
few
months.
Up here in BC, seeing the opposite, mind you I'm watching
20'bowriders
mostly, not bathtubs with parachutes :-)
As economy perks along at full tilt more and more are buying, and
with
such
a strong canuck dollar american boats looked good but now they are
trying
to gouge canuck buyers. Ads on craiglist and such are $k's higher
than
just a few months ago as they try to take advantage of CAN$.
So what you are telling me is that I should have charged Don more
for
my boat than I did?
Damn - now he tells me. :)
I should have got you to hold the boat a couple of months for me.
The
way
your yankee dollah is slidin', it would seem like I was getting
your
boat
almost free by paying in American cash. I heard today the loonie was
worth
$1.04 US.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
The Canadian dollar may eventually be headed for $1.50 US. The Yankee
buck has been reduced to junk bond status.

No political comment, just a fact:

The last time we had $zero in National debt, Andrew Jackson was
President. Between the presidency of Andrew Jackson and May of the
year 2000, the US national debt rose to $5.7 trillion.

Between May of 2000 and October 2007, the national debt increased
from
$5.7 trillion to over $9 trillion. A 50% increase in the last seven
years. Good grief!

A 50% increase over $5.7 trillion would be about $2.8 trillion, for a
total of about $8.5 trillion. This is a bit more.

But.................The National debt as a % of GDP was actually higher
under the Clinton regime. Good grief!

BTW: No political comment......just a fact. ;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You mean we changed presidents somewhere along the way?

Oh, yeah. I guess we did. :-)


And who requires spending of money? Which branch of government? Since when
does the Executive branch initiate and pass spending bills? Why do we keep
re-electing the spendthrifts in Congress?

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The Dems would rather sit around and get their dicks sucked,
rather than get work done...which, BTW...takes $$....





" The Clinton *regime* is not a political comment, BS.
Look at the graph, notice the National Debt. goes up
under recent Republicans, and down, under Democrats."






On Oct 26, 4:00 pm, thunder wrote:
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:42:48 -0400, JimH wrote:
But.................The National debt as a % of GDP was actually higher
under the Clinton regime. Good grief!

BTW: No political comment......just a fact. ;-)

The Clinton *regime* is not a political comment, BS. Look at the graph, notice the National
Debt. goes up under recent Republicans, and down, under Democrats.

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP-L.gif

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Gerald Ford was disturbed by Bill Clinton's skirt-chasing ways - and
thought he should check into a sex addiction clinic.

A new book on the late 38th President reveals he had strong views
about the Clintons: He thought Hillary wore the pants and that Bill
couldn't keep his zipped.

"He's sick - he's got an addiction. He needs treatment," Ford told
Daily News Washington Bureau Chief Thomas M. DeFrank, author of "Write
It When I'm Gone: Remarkable Off-the-Record Conversations with Gerald
R. Ford."

Ford's wife, Betty, who founded a pioneering treatment center after
her battle with alcoholism and drugs, agreed.

"You know, there's treatment for that kind of addiction," she told
DeFrank during the same conversation in 1999. "A lot of men have gone
through the treatment with a lot of success. But he won't do it,
because he's in denial."

The Fords first got to know the Clintons in the summer of 1993, when
they invited the new First Family to their home in Colorado.

Gerald Ford's impressions of the Oval Office's latest tenant were
mixed. He believed Clinton was charismatic, articulate, a "helluva
salesman" and the best politician he'd ever seen - even better than
John F. Kennedy.









On Oct 28, 10:16 am, ~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:
The Dems would rather sit around and get their dicks sucked,
rather than get work done...which, BTW...takes $$....

" The Clinton *regime* is not a political comment, BS.
Look at the graph, notice the National Debt. goes up
under recent Republicans, and down, under Democrats."

On Oct 26, 4:00 pm, thunder wrote:



On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:42:48 -0400, JimH wrote:
But.................The National debt as a % of GDP was actually higher
under the Clinton regime. Good grief!

BTW: No political comment......just a fact. ;-)

The Clinton *regime* is not a political comment, BS. Look at the graph, notice the National
Debt. goes up under recent Republicans, and down, under Democrats.

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP-L.gif- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -