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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:48:10 -0400, HK wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:15:00 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: I also remember Zeiders, but Gail was *way* too old for me. :-) I was going to make a really smart ass comment, but I decided not to out of respect for your relative youth. Wouldn't do to corrupt the nation's "yute"... Gail was a very pretty and nice young lady. She was also "built" like Annette Funicello. Now you really are dating yourself. What.... I had a crush on Annette. She was darn cute way back in the Mickey Mouse years. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Summer jobs. Speaking of things built, about 35 years ago, I was in NYC with a DC client, attending a meeting. The guy was president of an international union. We had some time to kill, and he insisted on taking me to the Empire State Building. Big secret. We got to one of the middle floors, went to a utility closet, he opened it, and there, chiseled into a bit of construction stone, was his first initial and last name, and the date. Yep, *he* worked on building the Empire State Building. Can you imagine the lifelong sense of accomplishment...seeing that building, knowing you worked on it...wow! I guess! Is the Empire State Building back to it's status as the tallest building in New York? |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Summer jobs. Speaking of things built, about 35 years ago, I was in NYC with a DC client, attending a meeting. The guy was president of an international union. We had some time to kill, and he insisted on taking me to the Empire State Building. Big secret. We got to one of the middle floors, went to a utility closet, he opened it, and there, chiseled into a bit of construction stone, was his first initial and last name, and the date. Yep, *he* worked on building the Empire State Building. Can you imagine the lifelong sense of accomplishment...seeing that building, knowing you worked on it...wow! I guess! Is the Empire State Building back to it's status as the tallest building in New York? For the moment. |
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wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 18, 10:50 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 18, 8:24 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... "Eisboch" wrote in message m... I've been called in to help out today at.... (gulp) .... *work*. A long-time customer is visiting and I have to provide some sense of corporate continuity. Gotta get this over with so Sam and I can go back to the boat. Eisboch So how did it go? Not bad. He awarded the company a $800+K contract for a new thin film system. Eisboch (still got the "touch") Wow! Hope you get a good chunk of that;) Went back to work myself this week, gonna' work on a local farm for the winter to get loosened up a little and trade off a little horsie time for my girls. Don't think I will be making as much as you did though;) Of course our work could be somewhat similar, I was off shoveling ****, how about you? ;) Nah, I don't get any "chunk". I have a long term "consulting" deal that pays just about minimum wage, but keeps Mrs.E. and I eligible to participate in the company's health care program. When I was a kid living outside of New Haven, CT., I had a summer job mucking horse stalls for a guy that raised and trained thoughbred racing horses. Not for me. In addition to the .... well .... you know, I was also allergic to the hay dust. I swore I'd never do it again and I haven't, despite Mrs.E.'s three horses. If you want to get bored to tears, here's what I ended up doing for a living: http://www.vptec.com/ Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not boring to me! Did you do much business with Corning Glass? Yes, quite a bit. And still do. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Cool, had a cousin that worked in the lab at headquarters in Corning NY Sweeping the floors? |
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On Oct 18, 2:06 pm, "BillP" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 18, 10:50 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Oct 18, 8:24 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... "Eisboch" wrote in message m... I've been called in to help out today at.... (gulp) .... *work*. A long-time customer is visiting and I have to provide some sense of corporate continuity. Gotta get this over with so Sam and I can go back to the boat. Eisboch So how did it go? Not bad. He awarded the company a $800+K contract for a new thin film system. Eisboch (still got the "touch") Wow! Hope you get a good chunk of that;) Went back to work myself this week, gonna' work on a local farm for the winter to get loosened up a little and trade off a little horsie time for my girls. Don't think I will be making as much as you did though;) Of course our work could be somewhat similar, I was off shoveling ****, how about you? ;) Nah, I don't get any "chunk". I have a long term "consulting" deal that pays just about minimum wage, but keeps Mrs.E. and I eligible to participate in the company's health care program. When I was a kid living outside of New Haven, CT., I had a summer job mucking horse stalls for a guy that raised and trained thoughbred racing horses. Not for me. In addition to the .... well .... you know, I was also allergic to the hay dust. I swore I'd never do it again and I haven't, despite Mrs.E.'s three horses. If you want to get bored to tears, here's what I ended up doing for a living: http://www.vptec.com/ Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not boring to me! Did you do much business with Corning Glass? Yes, quite a bit. And still do. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Cool, had a cousin that worked in the lab at headquarters in Corning NY Sweeping the floors?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, Stalker Dan. |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:10:06 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:57:07 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote: I finally convinced marketing that a much less costly acid etch process applied directly to the CRT glass was appropriate. Ah - so your the dumbass that came up with that. You are on my list. :) (It's a long story - just accept the fact that I was ordered to follow the same process for...well, let's just leave it at that.) ~~mutter~~ Sorry.... Not to worry - it's a short list. It's got a single name on it - "the guy who convinced..." :) I hired a engineer out of Bell Labs - Herb Cortis - name ring a bell? Herb Cortis doesn't ring a bell. I spend most of my 30 Bell Lab career in the Chicago area. Several trips to Holmdel, Morristown and Middletown. The last three working years were spent here in Florida after ATT bought NCR. Retired in 1994. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... "Eisboch" wrote in message m... I've been called in to help out today at.... (gulp) .... *work*. A long-time customer is visiting and I have to provide some sense of corporate continuity. Gotta get this over with so Sam and I can go back to the boat. Eisboch So how did it go? Not bad. He awarded the company a $800+K contract for a new thin film system. Eisboch (still got the "touch") Wow! Hope you get a good chunk of that;) Went back to work myself this week, gonna' work on a local farm for the winter to get loosened up a little and trade off a little horsie time for my girls. Don't think I will be making as much as you did though;) Of course our work could be somewhat similar, I was off shoveling ****, how about you? ;) Nah, I don't get any "chunk". I have a long term "consulting" deal that pays just about minimum wage, but keeps Mrs.E. and I eligible to participate in the company's health care program. When I was a kid living outside of New Haven, CT., I had a summer job mucking horse stalls for a guy that raised and trained thoughbred racing horses. Not for me. In addition to the .... well .... you know, I was also allergic to the hay dust. I swore I'd never do it again and I haven't, despite Mrs.E.'s three horses. If you want to get bored to tears, here's what I ended up doing for a living: http://www.vptec.com/ Eisboch Not boring at all. Brings back memories of my work at Bell Labs, about 20 years ago, as a CRT monitor design engineer. I worked with a West Coast company, OCLI, on a custom CRT panel with an AR coating. The process was great for no reduction in display resolution and anti-reflective properties. The disadvantage, cost. The panel added about 20 bux to an already too expensive, custom size CRT. The zero loss is resolution was just not appropriate for a plain jane alpha-numeric display. Now for something like medical monitors it was justified. I finally convinced marketing that a much less costly acid etch process applied directly to the CRT glass was appropriate. We built sputter deposition equipment for Tectonics, applying a conductive coating to the inside of ceramic CRT tubes. That technology was obsolete before it went to production, and a spin-off was started doing electroluminescent displays. We built equipment for them as well, and the company became what is now known as "PanelVision", a major supplier of flat panel screens. OCLI ? Very technically capable in their day, but a terrible company for an equipment manufacturer like us to deal with. They had quite a reputation of routinely sending out requests for technical proposals for systems they said they were going to buy. They would then review all the technical approaches taken by the various responders to meet OCLI's requirements, select the best of them, and then build the equipment themselves, using the technical specifications supplied by those of us that responded. In all the years that we dealt with them, they never bought a system from anybody. We have had more recent contracts with JDS Uniphase, the successor to OCLI. Eisboch I heard rumors about some unsavory business practices and OCLI. We only did business with them for a couple of years in the early 80's. Ahhhh, JDSU. Back in the 90's when I was a very active investor, JDSU is one I "wish" I would have dabbled in. Made quite a bit of money leading up to the "bubble". Should have listened to Greenspan and his "irrational exuberance" speech. Oh well, I did very well and never complain. Now as I approach 70 it's much more conservative investments. I do have quite a bit of Intel stock, but I feel that's reasonably safe. "When" is gets over $30 I'll get out and buy a bunch of CDs. My have things changed for me as I get older and more cautious. |
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wrote in message ps.com... On Oct 18, 2:06 pm, "BillP" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 18, 10:50 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Oct 18, 8:24 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... "Eisboch" wrote in message m... I've been called in to help out today at.... (gulp) .... *work*. A long-time customer is visiting and I have to provide some sense of corporate continuity. Gotta get this over with so Sam and I can go back to the boat. Eisboch So how did it go? Not bad. He awarded the company a $800+K contract for a new thin film system. Eisboch (still got the "touch") Wow! Hope you get a good chunk of that;) Went back to work myself this week, gonna' work on a local farm for the winter to get loosened up a little and trade off a little horsie time for my girls. Don't think I will be making as much as you did though;) Of course our work could be somewhat similar, I was off shoveling ****, how about you? ;) Nah, I don't get any "chunk". I have a long term "consulting" deal that pays just about minimum wage, but keeps Mrs.E. and I eligible to participate in the company's health care program. When I was a kid living outside of New Haven, CT., I had a summer job mucking horse stalls for a guy that raised and trained thoughbred racing horses. Not for me. In addition to the .... well .... you know, I was also allergic to the hay dust. I swore I'd never do it again and I haven't, despite Mrs.E.'s three horses. If you want to get bored to tears, here's what I ended up doing for a living: http://www.vptec.com/ Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not boring to me! Did you do much business with Corning Glass? Yes, quite a bit. And still do. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Cool, had a cousin that worked in the lab at headquarters in Corning NY Sweeping the floors?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, Stalker Dan. My name is not Dan, it's Irvin...........Walter Irvin. |
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"D.Duck" wrote in message ... Ahhhh, JDSU. Back in the 90's when I was a very active investor, JDSU is one I "wish" I would have dabbled in. Made quite a bit of money leading up to the "bubble". Should have listened to Greenspan and his "irrational exuberance" speech. Oh well, I did very well and never complain. Now as I approach 70 it's much more conservative investments. I do have quite a bit of Intel stock, but I feel that's reasonably safe. "When" is gets over $30 I'll get out and buy a bunch of CDs. My have things changed for me as I get older and more cautious. You mean the Telecom bubble? That period was an amazing example of a technology based feeding frenzy based on hype. Companies were scrambling to acquire other companies that had anything at all to do with optical multiplexing filters. It's why OCLI is no more. I remember Corning bought a company called "CoreTec" for 1.4 billion. (that's with a "B"). CoreTec had been financed with a relatively small amount of venture capital money and had never produced or shipped a finished product. I met with the founder and president of CoreTec about a month before Corning's acquisition of them. We were discussing a possible joint venture between my company and them. He wanted to continue discussions but was up front and told me of a possible major event for them in the near future and had to hold off until after that decision. Corning ended up having to write the whole $ 1.4B off and it did a number on their stock. I had a feeling they would recover, so I bought in while they were low. Turns out it was a good move. I also hold a bit of JDSU. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... Ahhhh, JDSU. Back in the 90's when I was a very active investor, JDSU is one I "wish" I would have dabbled in. Made quite a bit of money leading up to the "bubble". Should have listened to Greenspan and his "irrational exuberance" speech. Oh well, I did very well and never complain. Now as I approach 70 it's much more conservative investments. I do have quite a bit of Intel stock, but I feel that's reasonably safe. "When" is gets over $30 I'll get out and buy a bunch of CDs. My have things changed for me as I get older and more cautious. You mean the Telecom bubble? That period was an amazing example of a technology based feeding frenzy based on hype. Companies were scrambling to acquire other companies that had anything at all to do with optical multiplexing filters. It's why OCLI is no more. I remember Corning bought a company called "CoreTec" for 1.4 billion. (that's with a "B"). CoreTec had been financed with a relatively small amount of venture capital money and had never produced or shipped a finished product. I met with the founder and president of CoreTec about a month before Corning's acquisition of them. We were discussing a possible joint venture between my company and them. He wanted to continue discussions but was up front and told me of a possible major event for them in the near future and had to hold off until after that decision. Corning ended up having to write the whole $ 1.4B off and it did a number on their stock. I had a feeling they would recover, so I bought in while they were low. Turns out it was a good move. I also hold a bit of JDSU. Eisboch That was an interesting period. So many supposedly intelligent people in high places made some very not so intelligent business decisions. |
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On Oct 19, 2:31 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"D.Duck" wrote in message ... Ahhhh, JDSU. Back in the 90's when I was a very active investor, JDSU is one I "wish" I would have dabbled in. Made quite a bit of money leading up to the "bubble". Should have listened to Greenspan and his "irrational exuberance" speech. Oh well, I did very well and never complain. Now as I approach 70 it's much more conservative investments. I do have quite a bit of Intel stock, but I feel that's reasonably safe. "When" is gets over $30 I'll get out and buy a bunch of CDs. My have things changed for me as I get older and more cautious. You mean the Telecom bubble? That period was an amazing example of a technology based feeding frenzy based on hype. Companies were scrambling to acquire other companies that had anything at all to do with optical multiplexing filters. It's why OCLI is no more. I remember Corning bought a company called "CoreTec" for 1.4 billion. (that's with a "B"). CoreTec had been financed with a relatively small amount of venture capital money and had never produced or shipped a finished product. I met with the founder and president of CoreTec about a month before Corning's acquisition of them. We were discussing a possible joint venture between my company and them. He wanted to continue discussions but was up front and told me of a possible major event for them in the near future and had to hold off until after that decision. Corning ended up having to write the whole $ 1.4B off and it did a number on their stock. I had a feeling they would recover, so I bought in while they were low. Turns out it was a good move. I also hold a bit of JDSU. Eisboch Seems as though Corning has always been an up and down kind of business. |
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On Oct 19, 12:31 am, "BillP" wrote:
wrote in message ps.com... On Oct 18, 2:06 pm, "BillP" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... On Oct 18, 10:50 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... On Oct 18, 8:24 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... "Eisboch" wrote in message m... I've been called in to help out today at.... (gulp) .... *work*. A long-time customer is visiting and I have to provide some sense of corporate continuity. Gotta get this over with so Sam and I can go back to the boat. Eisboch So how did it go? Not bad. He awarded the company a $800+K contract for a new thin film system. Eisboch (still got the "touch") Wow! Hope you get a good chunk of that;) Went back to work myself this week, gonna' work on a local farm for the winter to get loosened up a little and trade off a little horsie time for my girls. Don't think I will be making as much as you did though;) Of course our work could be somewhat similar, I was off shoveling ****, how about you? ;) Nah, I don't get any "chunk". I have a long term "consulting" deal that pays just about minimum wage, but keeps Mrs.E. and I eligible to participate in the company's health care program. When I was a kid living outside of New Haven, CT., I had a summer job mucking horse stalls for a guy that raised and trained thoughbred racing horses. Not for me. In addition to the .... well .... you know, I was also allergic to the hay dust. I swore I'd never do it again and I haven't, despite Mrs.E.'s three horses. If you want to get bored to tears, here's what I ended up doing for a living: http://www.vptec.com/ Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Not boring to me! Did you do much business with Corning Glass? Yes, quite a bit. And still do. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Cool, had a cousin that worked in the lab at headquarters in Corning NY Sweeping the floors?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, Stalker Dan. My name is not Dan, it's Irvin...........Walter Irvin.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, sure, Stalker Dan. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Seems as though Corning has always been an up and down kind of business. After the telecom fiasco, Corning downsized, got rid of some weak product lines and focused back on their core business. The stock has slowly recovered from a low of about 2 bucks a share up to the mid to high 20's. Many years ago Corning developed the ceramic "rice" used in catalytic converters for gas powered cars. I was involved in the design, building, test and installation of several sputter deposition systems that coated the "rice" with the catalytic material. In addition to LCD glass (their primary business) and fiberoptics, Corning is the primary supplier of the catalytic material now required in the newer diesel powered trucks. I think I recall reading that by 2012 it will also be required in diesel powered boat applications. (Boating content :-) ) Eisboch |
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On Oct 19, 9:38 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... Seems as though Corning has always been an up and down kind of business. After the telecom fiasco, Corning downsized, got rid of some weak product lines and focused back on their core business. The stock has slowly recovered from a low of about 2 bucks a share up to the mid to high 20's. Many years ago Corning developed the ceramic "rice" used in catalytic converters for gas powered cars. I was involved in the design, building, test and installation of several sputter deposition systems that coated the "rice" with the catalytic material. In addition to LCD glass (their primary business) and fiberoptics, Corning is the primary supplier of the catalytic material now required in the newer diesel powered trucks. I think I recall reading that by 2012 it will also be required in diesel powered boat applications. (Boating content :-) ) Eisboch Wow, that's a lot of heat to disperse from the boat, assuming the converter will be inside the hull, which would probably be the case.... |
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wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 19, 9:38 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Seems as though Corning has always been an up and down kind of business. After the telecom fiasco, Corning downsized, got rid of some weak product lines and focused back on their core business. The stock has slowly recovered from a low of about 2 bucks a share up to the mid to high 20's. Many years ago Corning developed the ceramic "rice" used in catalytic converters for gas powered cars. I was involved in the design, building, test and installation of several sputter deposition systems that coated the "rice" with the catalytic material. In addition to LCD glass (their primary business) and fiberoptics, Corning is the primary supplier of the catalytic material now required in the newer diesel powered trucks. I think I recall reading that by 2012 it will also be required in diesel powered boat applications. (Boating content -) ) Eisboch Wow, that's a lot of heat to disperse from the boat, assuming the converter will be inside the hull, which would probably be the case.... Maybe they'll have vertical stacks, ala semi tractors, with cut outs. |
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wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 19, 9:38 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Seems as though Corning has always been an up and down kind of business. After the telecom fiasco, Corning downsized, got rid of some weak product lines and focused back on their core business. The stock has slowly recovered from a low of about 2 bucks a share up to the mid to high 20's. Many years ago Corning developed the ceramic "rice" used in catalytic converters for gas powered cars. I was involved in the design, building, test and installation of several sputter deposition systems that coated the "rice" with the catalytic material. In addition to LCD glass (their primary business) and fiberoptics, Corning is the primary supplier of the catalytic material now required in the newer diesel powered trucks. I think I recall reading that by 2012 it will also be required in diesel powered boat applications. (Boating content -) ) Eisboch Wow, that's a lot of heat to disperse from the boat, assuming the converter will be inside the hull, which would probably be the case.... Good point, although there's already quite a bit of heat generated by a pair of big diesels running anyway. The heat generated by the converters will obviously have to be carried away through a water cooled jacket or something. Have you read about the new diesel powered pickups? They go through a exhaust particulate filter regeneration process every once in a while. When they first came out, some Ford pickups were exhausting flames that started a couple of grass fires. Eisboch |
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:33:40 -0400, D.Duck wrote:
That was an interesting period. So many supposedly intelligent people in high places made some very not so intelligent business decisions. Seems to happen quite often. In the heady times of a boom, people forget bust is part of the cycle. The sub-prime situation is just another example. |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:33:40 -0400, D.Duck wrote: That was an interesting period. So many supposedly intelligent people in high places made some very not so intelligent business decisions. Seems to happen quite often. In the heady times of a boom, people forget bust is part of the cycle. The sub-prime situation is just another example. I have a theory about that, but I don't want Harry to get the idea that we think too much alike. Eisboch |
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John H. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:20:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:33:40 -0400, D.Duck wrote: That was an interesting period. So many supposedly intelligent people in high places made some very not so intelligent business decisions. Seems to happen quite often. In the heady times of a boom, people forget bust is part of the cycle. The sub-prime situation is just another example. I have a theory about that, but I don't want Harry to get the idea that we think too much alike. Eisboch I know, the millions of new jobs are all crap jobs! Most of them are. Benefitless, low pay, serf-jobs. |
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On Oct 19, 9:50 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 19, 9:38 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... Seems as though Corning has always been an up and down kind of business. After the telecom fiasco, Corning downsized, got rid of some weak product lines and focused back on their core business. The stock has slowly recovered from a low of about 2 bucks a share up to the mid to high 20's. Many years ago Corning developed the ceramic "rice" used in catalytic converters for gas powered cars. I was involved in the design, building, test and installation of several sputter deposition systems that coated the "rice" with the catalytic material. In addition to LCD glass (their primary business) and fiberoptics, Corning is the primary supplier of the catalytic material now required in the newer diesel powered trucks. I think I recall reading that by 2012 it will also be required in diesel powered boat applications. (Boating content -) ) Eisboch Wow, that's a lot of heat to disperse from the boat, assuming the converter will be inside the hull, which would probably be the case.... Good point, although there's already quite a bit of heat generated by a pair of big diesels running anyway. The heat generated by the converters will obviously have to be carried away through a water cooled jacket or something. Have you read about the new diesel powered pickups? They go through a exhaust particulate filter regeneration process every once in a while. When they first came out, some Ford pickups were exhausting flames that started a couple of grass fires. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Read an interesting article not long ago about trying to reclaim the heat energy. A good amount of the potential energy of gasoline or diesel fuel is wasted as heat. |
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On Oct 19, 9:38 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... Seems as though Corning has always been an up and down kind of business. After the telecom fiasco, Corning downsized, got rid of some weak product lines and focused back on their core business. The stock has slowly recovered from a low of about 2 bucks a share up to the mid to high 20's. Many years ago Corning developed the ceramic "rice" used in catalytic converters for gas powered cars. I was involved in the design, building, test and installation of several sputter deposition systems that coated the "rice" with the catalytic material. Corning works closely with Alfred University's (SUNY) College of Ceramics. I remember hearing about the College of Ceramics as a kid, and thinking, what to hell could somebody learn about ceramics that would take four years??!! |
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:20:55 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:33:40 -0400, D.Duck wrote: That was an interesting period. So many supposedly intelligent people in high places made some very not so intelligent business decisions. Seems to happen quite often. In the heady times of a boom, people forget bust is part of the cycle. The sub-prime situation is just another example. I have a theory about that, but I don't want Harry to get the idea that we think too much alike. Eisboch I know, the millions of new jobs are all crap jobs! |
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John H. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:30:47 -0400, HK wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:20:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:33:40 -0400, D.Duck wrote: That was an interesting period. So many supposedly intelligent people in high places made some very not so intelligent business decisions. Seems to happen quite often. In the heady times of a boom, people forget bust is part of the cycle. The sub-prime situation is just another example. I have a theory about that, but I don't want Harry to get the idea that we think too much alike. Eisboch I know, the millions of new jobs are all crap jobs! Most of them are. Benefitless, low pay, serf-jobs. Like what? I've asked you this before. You never answer. When you say 'most', does that mean that 49% are jobs in the upper scale? That's not too bad! There are plenty of valid statistics about...really. |
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:30:47 -0400, HK wrote:
John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:20:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:33:40 -0400, D.Duck wrote: That was an interesting period. So many supposedly intelligent people in high places made some very not so intelligent business decisions. Seems to happen quite often. In the heady times of a boom, people forget bust is part of the cycle. The sub-prime situation is just another example. I have a theory about that, but I don't want Harry to get the idea that we think too much alike. Eisboch I know, the millions of new jobs are all crap jobs! Most of them are. Benefitless, low pay, serf-jobs. Like what? I've asked you this before. You never answer. When you say 'most', does that mean that 49% are jobs in the upper scale? That's not too bad! |
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John H. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:08:55 -0400, HK wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:30:47 -0400, HK wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:20:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:33:40 -0400, D.Duck wrote: That was an interesting period. So many supposedly intelligent people in high places made some very not so intelligent business decisions. Seems to happen quite often. In the heady times of a boom, people forget bust is part of the cycle. The sub-prime situation is just another example. I have a theory about that, but I don't want Harry to get the idea that we think too much alike. Eisboch I know, the millions of new jobs are all crap jobs! Most of them are. Benefitless, low pay, serf-jobs. Like what? I've asked you this before. You never answer. When you say 'most', does that mean that 49% are jobs in the upper scale? That's not too bad! There are plenty of valid statistics about...really. I'm sure, and I can understand why you don't wish to answer the question. No sweat. I doubt you do. |
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wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 19, 9:38 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Seems as though Corning has always been an up and down kind of business. After the telecom fiasco, Corning downsized, got rid of some weak product lines and focused back on their core business. The stock has slowly recovered from a low of about 2 bucks a share up to the mid to high 20's. Many years ago Corning developed the ceramic "rice" used in catalytic converters for gas powered cars. I was involved in the design, building, test and installation of several sputter deposition systems that coated the "rice" with the catalytic material. Corning works closely with Alfred University's (SUNY) College of Ceramics. I remember hearing about the College of Ceramics as a kid, and thinking, what to hell could somebody learn about ceramics that would take four years??!! Sorta like being a ball bearing engineer. Seriously, ceramic materials are not all alike and there are some unbelievable high-tech applications, now and being developed for the future. Eisboch |
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:08:55 -0400, HK wrote:
John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:30:47 -0400, HK wrote: John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:20:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:33:40 -0400, D.Duck wrote: That was an interesting period. So many supposedly intelligent people in high places made some very not so intelligent business decisions. Seems to happen quite often. In the heady times of a boom, people forget bust is part of the cycle. The sub-prime situation is just another example. I have a theory about that, but I don't want Harry to get the idea that we think too much alike. Eisboch I know, the millions of new jobs are all crap jobs! Most of them are. Benefitless, low pay, serf-jobs. Like what? I've asked you this before. You never answer. When you say 'most', does that mean that 49% are jobs in the upper scale? That's not too bad! There are plenty of valid statistics about...really. I'm sure, and I can understand why you don't wish to answer the question. No sweat. |
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:11:49 -0400, DownTime
wrote: Is it even possible to have a bad day on the water? I'd suspect that short of fire, sinking, or heart attack, one could find the good in just being on the boat... If you have ever spent a cold, windy, rough, rainy night helming a sailboat to windward in near gale contditions, with half the crew sea sick, you'll appreciate that some days on the water are better than others. |
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:11:33 -0400, HK wrote:
It's not like I am "reggie-ing" her, eh? I said she was pretty, nice, and well configured. I'm sure she's still all of that, and more. Unfortunately not. She's been suffering from a bad case of MS for many years and not looking well at all. When I was 13 or 14 y/o I thought she was just about the cutest thing I'd ever seen, along with a lot of other guys. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:11:33 -0400, HK wrote: It's not like I am "reggie-ing" her, eh? I said she was pretty, nice, and well configured. I'm sure she's still all of that, and more. Unfortunately not. She's been suffering from a bad case of MS for many years and not looking well at all. When I was 13 or 14 y/o I thought she was just about the cutest thing I'd ever seen, along with a lot of other guys. You found "a lot of other guys" cute? Explains a lot! |
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On Oct 19, 9:50 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 19, 9:38 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... Seems as though Corning has always been an up and down kind of business. After the telecom fiasco, Corning downsized, got rid of some weak product lines and focused back on their core business. The stock has slowly recovered from a low of about 2 bucks a share up to the mid to high 20's. Many years ago Corning developed the ceramic "rice" used in catalytic converters for gas powered cars. I was involved in the design, building, test and installation of several sputter deposition systems that coated the "rice" with the catalytic material. In addition to LCD glass (their primary business) and fiberoptics, Corning is the primary supplier of the catalytic material now required in the newer diesel powered trucks. I think I recall reading that by 2012 it will also be required in diesel powered boat applications. (Boating content -) ) Eisboch Wow, that's a lot of heat to disperse from the boat, assuming the converter will be inside the hull, which would probably be the case.... Good point, although there's already quite a bit of heat generated by a pair of big diesels running anyway. The heat generated by the converters will obviously have to be carried away through a water cooled jacket or something. Man, that's gonna' be a lot of engineering, really a whole new system will probably be developed. I don't think you would want to run tubing from the engine cooling system through the hull to the cat, or add to the existing load on it. Now you are talking space and resources for a new cooling system and cat, remembering that a breakdown in a cat cooling system could be disasterous if unnoticed.. It is going to be huge, hull design and fit may have to be completely rethunk. Oh well, think outboard... Sorry to ramble, just thinking out loud... Have you read about the new diesel powered pickups? They go through a exhaust particulate filter regeneration process every once in a while. When they first came out, some Ford pickups were exhausting flames that started a couple of grass fires. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 19, 9:50 am, "Eisboch" wrote: Good point, although there's already quite a bit of heat generated by a pair of big diesels running anyway. The heat generated by the converters will obviously have to be carried away through a water cooled jacket or something. Man, that's gonna' be a lot of engineering, really a whole new system will probably be developed. I don't think you would want to run tubing from the engine cooling system through the hull to the cat, or add to the existing load on it. Now you are talking space and resources for a new cooling system and cat, remembering that a breakdown in a cat cooling system could be disasterous if unnoticed.. It is going to be huge, hull design and fit may have to be completely rethunk. Oh well, think outboard... Sorry to ramble, just thinking out loud... I don't see the big problem. First of all, you aren't "cooling" the converter (or particulate filter (as it is called in the diesel). All you are doing is carrying away the excess heat generated by the exhaust gases and reaction process. A secondary raw water pump or even a dual output raw water pump (main to engine heat exchanger, secondary to cat water jacket) with both exhausting through the current, water cooled exhaust would do it I think. Eisboch |
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"Jack Goff" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:02:19 -0300, "Don White" wrote: You found "a lot of other guys" cute? Explains a lot! Strange how that kind of thought is the first thing that pops into your mind, Don. Or maybe not so strange... Whatever floats your boat. Well it's certainly not your frequent dates... the Palm Sisters. You'd think they'd have worn out their welcome by now. |
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On Oct 19, 2:04 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 19, 9:38 am, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... Seems as though Corning has always been an up and down kind of business. After the telecom fiasco, Corning downsized, got rid of some weak product lines and focused back on their core business. The stock has slowly recovered from a low of about 2 bucks a share up to the mid to high 20's. Many years ago Corning developed the ceramic "rice" used in catalytic converters for gas powered cars. I was involved in the design, building, test and installation of several sputter deposition systems that coated the "rice" with the catalytic material. Corning works closely with Alfred University's (SUNY) College of Ceramics. I remember hearing about the College of Ceramics as a kid, and thinking, what to hell could somebody learn about ceramics that would take four years??!! Sorta like being a ball bearing engineer. Seriously, ceramic materials are not all alike and there are some unbelievable high-tech applications, now and being developed for the future. Eisboch- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, I understand that now, but as a kid, all I could think of is kiln dried cups! |
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HK wrote:
John H. wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:20:55 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "thunder" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:33:40 -0400, D.Duck wrote: That was an interesting period. So many supposedly intelligent people in high places made some very not so intelligent business decisions. Seems to happen quite often. In the heady times of a boom, people forget bust is part of the cycle. The sub-prime situation is just another example. I have a theory about that, but I don't want Harry to get the idea that we think too much alike. Eisboch I know, the millions of new jobs are all crap jobs! Most of them are. Benefitless, low pay, serf-jobs. And those who chose to skip a proper education should be thrilled to have an income. |
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:24:37 -0400, HK wrote:
Summer jobs. Speaking of things built, about 35 years ago, I was in NYC with a DC client, attending a meeting. The guy was president of an international union. We had some time to kill, and he insisted on taking me to the Empire State Building. Big secret. We got to one of the middle floors, went to a utility closet, he opened it, and there, chiseled into a bit of construction stone, was his first initial and last name, and the date. Yep, *he* worked on building the Empire State Building. Any time your labor goes into something that people use, touch, or live in you gain something immeasurable. When I worked in the steel mills and at IH heat treating and forming metal into shapes I felt something good every time I saw a girder or a dozer working the earth. Of course if I had been building Cat dozers instead of IH I would have felt even gooder (-: As a packaging machine mechanic and operator the feeling was similar, as I often saw my products for sale in stores. Sure, they were consumable products, but they flowed through the veins of those who consumed them, and became part of them. And *I* played a part in producing them! Then I spent 25 years in computer systems, writing programs, supporting and managing application systems. No matter how good I was, I never had that feeling of accomplishment as when I labored with steel. I made much more money, but produced nothing that lasted long. There might be dozer track shoes, links, tunnels, bushings and other parts still out there working , produced by me 40 years ago. Even the packaging products formed cells in people still living. But practically everything I later wrote and designed in 25 years of computer software is gone. Erased from the planet. Some of it by me. What may be left from my last years' work will surely be gone soon. Fewer and fewer Americans understand the values production labor imparts to a society. The Chinese do most of our production now. But that's another topic. Can you imagine the lifelong sense of accomplishment...seeing that building, knowing you worked on it...wow! I can imagine that. On a much lesser level I rebuilt the two story porch on my old brick 2-flat by my lonesome. Holding up the heavy roof with 50 foot ladders I replaced the rotted 6x6's, joists, landings, railings, staircases, outlooks, etc. dug, formed and poured new footings. Did have my brother help with me once with hoisting the heavily tarred steel gutter and a long 6x6. Anyway, it was a pretty sight when I was done, and since I cured the cause of what rotted it, it would have lasted longer than the 60 years of the original. Tickled my heart every time I looked at it. But an arsonist lit it up a couple years later, so I can't go see it. I talked about this subject to a computer field mate some years ago and he understood it well. His grand dad was a bricklayer, and he knew every building where grand dad had laid the brick in his Ohio hometown. His grand dad had been dead for many years, but whenever he went home to visit he saw grand dad on every street in town. In the bricks of the homes he had built. I can't go on the Chicago Skyway without thinking about my dad driving the Corbett Construction trucks that brought in the materials 50 years ago, or likewise pass the UIC campus buildings where his crews hammered in the foundation sheets. The guys who put up the Twin Towers must have got a warm feeling every time they looked at the NYC skyline. Besides all the other tragedies, the towers coming down broke their hearts. --Vic |
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John H. wrote:
On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:58:39 -0300, "Don White" wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message ... On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:02:19 -0300, "Don White" wrote: You found "a lot of other guys" cute? Explains a lot! Strange how that kind of thought is the first thing that pops into your mind, Don. Or maybe not so strange... Whatever floats your boat. Well it's certainly not your frequent dates... the Palm Sisters. You'd think they'd have worn out their welcome by now. But, he *did* make a good point, didn't he? You and JimH must have that 'homosexuality' stuff just weighing on your mind! Crikey...Herring survived a week aboard a cruise ship packed with rug rats. He's the man. :} Me, I would have tossed half of them overboard. |
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On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:58:39 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: "Jack Goff" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:02:19 -0300, "Don White" wrote: You found "a lot of other guys" cute? Explains a lot! Strange how that kind of thought is the first thing that pops into your mind, Don. Or maybe not so strange... Whatever floats your boat. Well it's certainly not your frequent dates... the Palm Sisters. You'd think they'd have worn out their welcome by now. But, he *did* make a good point, didn't he? You and JimH must have that 'homosexuality' stuff just weighing on your mind! |
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"John H." wrote in message ... But, he *did* make a good point, didn't he? You and JimH must have that 'homosexuality' stuff just weighing on your mind! Just back from a vacation with the grandkids and this is what you want to get involved in?? I worry about you Johnny. |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. Crikey...Herring survived a week aboard a cruise ship packed with rug rats. He's the man. :} Me, I would have tossed half of them overboard. I felt sorry for the 'rug rats'! |
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