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On Oct 14, 8:14 pm, "JimH" ask wrote:
"JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message .. . "JimH" ask wrote in : You said there is not a single car made without Chinese parts. How about those not manufactured by the Big 3? You'll have to go see for yourself, but I doubt it. Why would any manufacturer build xwidgets in country x when the Chinese will deliver xwidgets to them for $1.80 instead of $4.25? Hint - They're not in business to give Americans jobs. Larry You made the claim. Prove it. crickets- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I think we suggested it was probably the case, could be wrong but from my point of view, probably not, probably the other guy too, just based on experience in my case but I wouldn't swear to it or even bet on it... |
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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:28:29 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: JimH wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... "JimH" ask wrote in : You said there is not a single car made without Chinese parts. How about those not manufactured by the Big 3? You'll have to go see for yourself, but I doubt it. Why would any manufacturer build xwidgets in country x when the Chinese will deliver xwidgets to them for $1.80 instead of $4.25? Hint - They're not in business to give Americans jobs. Larry You made the claim. Prove it. crickets JimH, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/business/07parts.html Biased. What the hell do they know? Do you know how to Google? If you want to know the "secret" about how to use Google, let me know. Also, if you want to know the "secret" as to how to easily dock your boat stern first, let me know. It really is easy and makes it much easier for your passengers to get in and out of the boat. Spring lines? I normally thing of using Spring lines when you are docking with the pier on the side of the boat. I am talking about backing the boat into a slip. With a single engine boat, the torque of the prop will cause the boat to want to turn to the side, making it difficult for the new boater to easily back the boat into the slip. There is a very "secret method" that all true boaters know. ;) I guess JimH doesn't want to know how to easily back his boat into the slip. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
John H. wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:28:29 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: JimH wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... "JimH" ask wrote in : You said there is not a single car made without Chinese parts. How about those not manufactured by the Big 3? You'll have to go see for yourself, but I doubt it. Why would any manufacturer build xwidgets in country x when the Chinese will deliver xwidgets to them for $1.80 instead of $4.25? Hint - They're not in business to give Americans jobs. Larry You made the claim. Prove it. crickets JimH, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/business/07parts.html Biased. What the hell do they know? Do you know how to Google? If you want to know the "secret" about how to use Google, let me know. Also, if you want to know the "secret" as to how to easily dock your boat stern first, let me know. It really is easy and makes it much easier for your passengers to get in and out of the boat. Spring lines? I normally thing of using Spring lines when you are docking with the pier on the side of the boat. I am talking about backing the boat into a slip. With a single engine boat, the torque of the prop will cause the boat to want to turn to the side, making it difficult for the new boater to easily back the boat into the slip. There is a very "secret method" that all true boaters know. ;) I guess JimH doesn't want to know how to easily back his boat into the slip. Reggie read something about boating somewhere. |
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:28:29 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: JimH wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... "JimH" ask wrote in : You said there is not a single car made without Chinese parts. How about those not manufactured by the Big 3? You'll have to go see for yourself, but I doubt it. Why would any manufacturer build xwidgets in country x when the Chinese will deliver xwidgets to them for $1.80 instead of $4.25? Hint - They're not in business to give Americans jobs. Larry You made the claim. Prove it. crickets JimH, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/business/07parts.html Biased. What the hell do they know? Do you know how to Google? If you want to know the "secret" about how to use Google, let me know. Also, if you want to know the "secret" as to how to easily dock your boat stern first, let me know. It really is easy and makes it much easier for your passengers to get in and out of the boat. Spring lines? |
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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:28:29 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: JimH wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... "JimH" ask wrote in : You said there is not a single car made without Chinese parts. How about those not manufactured by the Big 3? You'll have to go see for yourself, but I doubt it. Why would any manufacturer build xwidgets in country x when the Chinese will deliver xwidgets to them for $1.80 instead of $4.25? Hint - They're not in business to give Americans jobs. Larry You made the claim. Prove it. crickets JimH, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/business/07parts.html Biased. What the hell do they know? Do you know how to Google? If you want to know the "secret" about how to use Google, let me know. Also, if you want to know the "secret" as to how to easily dock your boat stern first, let me know. It really is easy and makes it much easier for your passengers to get in and out of the boat. Spring lines? I normally thing of using Spring lines when you are docking with the pier on the side of the boat. I am talking about backing the boat into a slip. With a single engine boat, the torque of the prop will cause the boat to want to turn to the side, making it difficult for the new boater to easily back the boat into the slip. There is a very "secret method" that all true boaters know. ;) I guess JimH doesn't want to know how to easily back his boat into the slip. Reggie read something about boating somewhere. What an amazing secret he discovered.................... I don't know why he's trying to make a big deal out of backing up a boat. Some single-engine boats back up easily, some don't. You learn what your boat can do and make the mental adjustments. My new boat has a bit more "bow steer" than I am used to on single engine boats. I fiddled around with engine angle, trim tab settings, et cetera, until I found a happy medium. I'm sure our boy Reggie, the "experienced" boater who has found the reverse slot on his imaginary boat's controls, has a better answer. |
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HK wrote:
I don't know why he's trying to make a big deal out of backing up a boat. Some single-engine boats back up easily, some don't. You learn what your boat can do and make the mental adjustments. My new boat has a bit more "bow steer" than I am used to on single engine boats. I fiddled around with engine angle, trim tab settings, et cetera, until I found a happy medium. I'm sure our boy Reggie, the "experienced" boater who has found the reverse slot on his imaginary boat's controls, has a better answer. Yes, I do. |
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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:28:29 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: JimH wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... "JimH" ask wrote in : You said there is not a single car made without Chinese parts. How about those not manufactured by the Big 3? You'll have to go see for yourself, but I doubt it. Why would any manufacturer build xwidgets in country x when the Chinese will deliver xwidgets to them for $1.80 instead of $4.25? Hint - They're not in business to give Americans jobs. Larry You made the claim. Prove it. crickets JimH, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/business/07parts.html Biased. What the hell do they know? Do you know how to Google? If you want to know the "secret" about how to use Google, let me know. Also, if you want to know the "secret" as to how to easily dock your boat stern first, let me know. It really is easy and makes it much easier for your passengers to get in and out of the boat. Spring lines? I normally thing of using Spring lines when you are docking with the pier on the side of the boat. I am talking about backing the boat into a slip. With a single engine boat, the torque of the prop will cause the boat to want to turn to the side, making it difficult for the new boater to easily back the boat into the slip. There is a very "secret method" that all true boaters know. ;) I guess JimH doesn't want to know how to easily back his boat into the slip. Reggie read something about boating somewhere. What an amazing secret he discovered.................... yeah, it really makes for some simple docking. |
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HK wrote:
JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:28:29 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: JimH wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... "JimH" ask wrote in : You said there is not a single car made without Chinese parts. How about those not manufactured by the Big 3? You'll have to go see for yourself, but I doubt it. Why would any manufacturer build xwidgets in country x when the Chinese will deliver xwidgets to them for $1.80 instead of $4.25? Hint - They're not in business to give Americans jobs. Larry You made the claim. Prove it. crickets JimH, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/business/07parts.html Biased. What the hell do they know? Do you know how to Google? If you want to know the "secret" about how to use Google, let me know. Also, if you want to know the "secret" as to how to easily dock your boat stern first, let me know. It really is easy and makes it much easier for your passengers to get in and out of the boat. Spring lines? I normally thing of using Spring lines when you are docking with the pier on the side of the boat. I am talking about backing the boat into a slip. With a single engine boat, the torque of the prop will cause the boat to want to turn to the side, making it difficult for the new boater to easily back the boat into the slip. There is a very "secret method" that all true boaters know. ;) I guess JimH doesn't want to know how to easily back his boat into the slip. Reggie read something about boating somewhere. What an amazing secret he discovered.................... I don't know why he's trying to make a big deal out of backing up a boat. Some single-engine boats back up easily, some don't. You learn what your boat can do and make the mental adjustments. My new boat has a bit more "bow steer" than I am used to on single engine boats. I fiddled around with engine angle, trim tab settings, et cetera, until I found a happy medium. I'm sure our boy Reggie, the "experienced" boater who has found the reverse slot on his imaginary boat's controls, has a better answer. The great thing about the wonderful secret it is works on ALL BOATS. |
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On Oct 15, 11:12 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: HK wrote: JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:28:29 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: JimH wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message om... "Larry" wrote in message 0.253... "JimH" ask wrote in news:471179d8$0$9577$4c368faf@roadrunner. com: You said there is not a single car made without Chinese parts. How about those not manufactured by the Big 3? You'll have to go see for yourself, but I doubt it. Why would any manufacturer build xwidgets in country x when the Chinese will deliver xwidgets to them for $1.80 instead of $4.25? Hint - They're not in business to give Americans jobs. Larry You made the claim. Prove it. crickets JimH, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/business/07parts.html Biased. What the hell do they know? Do you know how to Google? If you want to know the "secret" about how to use Google, let me know. Also, if you want to know the "secret" as to how to easily dock your boat stern first, let me know. It really is easy and makes it much easier for your passengers to get in and out of the boat. Spring lines? I normally thing of using Spring lines when you are docking with the pier on the side of the boat. I am talking about backing the boat into a slip. With a single engine boat, the torque of the prop will cause the boat to want to turn to the side, making it difficult for the new boater to easily back the boat into the slip. There is a very "secret method" that all true boaters know. ;) I guess JimH doesn't want to know how to easily back his boat into the slip. Reggie read something about boating somewhere. What an amazing secret he discovered.................... I don't know why he's trying to make a big deal out of backing up a boat. Some single-engine boats back up easily, some don't. You learn what your boat can do and make the mental adjustments. My new boat has a bit more "bow steer" than I am used to on single engine boats. I fiddled around with engine angle, trim tab settings, et cetera, until I found a happy medium. I'm sure our boy Reggie, the "experienced" boater who has found the reverse slot on his imaginary boat's controls, has a better answer. The great thing about the wonderful secret it is works on ALL BOATS.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well?? |
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wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:12 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: HK wrote: JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:28:29 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: JimH wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... "JimH" ask wrote in : You said there is not a single car made without Chinese parts. How about those not manufactured by the Big 3? You'll have to go see for yourself, but I doubt it. Why would any manufacturer build xwidgets in country x when the Chinese will deliver xwidgets to them for $1.80 instead of $4.25? Hint - They're not in business to give Americans jobs. Larry You made the claim. Prove it. crickets JimH, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/business/07parts.html Biased. What the hell do they know? Do you know how to Google? If you want to know the "secret" about how to use Google, let me know. Also, if you want to know the "secret" as to how to easily dock your boat stern first, let me know. It really is easy and makes it much easier for your passengers to get in and out of the boat. Spring lines? I normally thing of using Spring lines when you are docking with the pier on the side of the boat. I am talking about backing the boat into a slip. With a single engine boat, the torque of the prop will cause the boat to want to turn to the side, making it difficult for the new boater to easily back the boat into the slip. There is a very "secret method" that all true boaters know. ;) I guess JimH doesn't want to know how to easily back his boat into the slip. Reggie read something about boating somewhere. What an amazing secret he discovered.................... I don't know why he's trying to make a big deal out of backing up a boat. Some single-engine boats back up easily, some don't. You learn what your boat can do and make the mental adjustments. My new boat has a bit more "bow steer" than I am used to on single engine boats. I fiddled around with engine angle, trim tab settings, et cetera, until I found a happy medium. I'm sure our boy Reggie, the "experienced" boater who has found the reverse slot on his imaginary boat's controls, has a better answer. The great thing about the wonderful secret it is works on ALL BOATS.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well?? Not to worry. On lake lanier, where Reggie does his imaginary boating, you just park the boat on the lake bottom and walk to shore. |
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wrote:
On Oct 15, 11:12 am, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: HK wrote: JimH wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:28:29 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote: JimH wrote: "JimH" ask wrote in message ... "Larry" wrote in message ... "JimH" ask wrote in : You said there is not a single car made without Chinese parts. How about those not manufactured by the Big 3? You'll have to go see for yourself, but I doubt it. Why would any manufacturer build xwidgets in country x when the Chinese will deliver xwidgets to them for $1.80 instead of $4.25? Hint - They're not in business to give Americans jobs. Larry You made the claim. Prove it. crickets JimH, http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/business/07parts.html Biased. What the hell do they know? Do you know how to Google? If you want to know the "secret" about how to use Google, let me know. Also, if you want to know the "secret" as to how to easily dock your boat stern first, let me know. It really is easy and makes it much easier for your passengers to get in and out of the boat. Spring lines? I normally thing of using Spring lines when you are docking with the pier on the side of the boat. I am talking about backing the boat into a slip. With a single engine boat, the torque of the prop will cause the boat to want to turn to the side, making it difficult for the new boater to easily back the boat into the slip. There is a very "secret method" that all true boaters know. ;) I guess JimH doesn't want to know how to easily back his boat into the slip. Reggie read something about boating somewhere. What an amazing secret he discovered.................... I don't know why he's trying to make a big deal out of backing up a boat. Some single-engine boats back up easily, some don't. You learn what your boat can do and make the mental adjustments. My new boat has a bit more "bow steer" than I am used to on single engine boats. I fiddled around with engine angle, trim tab settings, et cetera, until I found a happy medium. I'm sure our boy Reggie, the "experienced" boater who has found the reverse slot on his imaginary boat's controls, has a better answer. The great thing about the wonderful secret it is works on ALL BOATS.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well?? I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing. Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't indoors at the Atlanta boat show. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. Reggie, you are going to get hammered for this one. Although I agree with your technique for other reasons, it has nothing to do with the outdrive acting like a rudder. Eisboch |
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing. Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't indoors at the Atlanta boat show. Harry, Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts. Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their boating, and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating trips. I don't. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. Reggie, you are going to get hammered for this one. Although I agree with your technique for other reasons, it has nothing to do with the outdrive acting like a rudder. Eisboch Well, since that is the way it feels to me, because I can easily maneuver the boat without the outdrive in gear, why don't you tell me why it is so easy to back the boat up. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing. Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't indoors at the Atlanta boat show. Harry, Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts. Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their boating, and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating trips. I don't. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... Harry, Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts. The marina is smart to encourage "bumping" from neutral to reverse and back while docking. The boat moves slowly and causes little or no damage when it hits something. It's a good technique, but not for the reasons you gave (outdrive acts like a rudder). Not at a slow speed and particularly going backwards. The short bumps of vectored thrust is what is moving the stern on an I/O or outboard. Sometimes, slowly backing into a slip using the "bumping" method isn't a good idea. When we had the Egg Harbor, we would often go out fishing on windy, stormy days that normally I would pass on. Backing into the slip in 35 kt crosswinds is not something you do slowly and casually. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... Harry, Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts. The marina is smart to encourage "bumping" from neutral to reverse and back while docking. The boat moves slowly and causes little or no damage when it hits something. It's a good technique, but not for the reasons you gave (outdrive acts like a rudder). Not at a slow speed and particularly going backwards. The short bumps of vectored thrust is what is moving the stern on an I/O or outboard. Sometimes, slowly backing into a slip using the "bumping" method isn't a good idea. When we had the Egg Harbor, we would often go out fishing on windy, stormy days that normally I would pass on. Backing into the slip in 35 kt crosswinds is not something you do slowly and casually. Eisboch When I kept my 25' Parker up at the Deale boatel, I had to back down a narrow corridor of boats on each side, maybe 5' of clearance on each side, a corridor a couple of hundred feet long, in order to get into position for the forklift. There was no way to spin the boat around anywhere along that route. I did not "bump" the throttle to get to the forklift. It was important that I maintain full control at all times. Never had a close call. Because of crosswinds, the ramp I mostly use these days requires deliberate forward motion and control at all times. Methinks Reggie is a bathtub boater. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... Although I agree with your technique for other reasons, it has nothing to do with the outdrive acting like a rudder. Eisboch Well, since that is the way it feels to me, because I can easily maneuver the boat without the outdrive in gear, why don't you tell me why it is so easy to back the boat up. As I mentioned in another post, it's the application of vectored thrust that is "steering" your boat while backing into the slip. It's not because the outdrive acts like a rudder. Think of it this way.... A typical sailboat has a rudder that probably has 50 times or more the surface area that your outdrive has. Yet, even with that big rudder, it is virtually useless in terms of "steering" the boat in reverse, bumping or not. Your technique is a good one, but not for the reasons you gave. Eisboch |
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing. Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't indoors at the Atlanta boat show. Harry, Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts. Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their boating, and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating trips. I don't. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. Ok, want to make some easy money? I am willing to bet you $10,000 that I do own a boat, and another $10,000 that you don't own a lobster boat. The money can go to you or your favorite charity, which ever one you want. I am sure you know a worthwhile charity that could use $20,000. I know I do. |
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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing. Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't indoors at the Atlanta boat show. OMG, I cannot believe Reggie thought that was a big secret of his. Thanks for the great laugh Reggie! (I am still laughing!) Anytime, it will probably allow you to back into your slip now. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing. Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't indoors at the Atlanta boat show. Harry, Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts. Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their boating, and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating trips. I don't. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. Ok, want to make some easy money? I am willing to bet you $10,000 that I do own a boat, and another $10,000 that you don't own a lobster boat. The money can go to you or your favorite charity, which ever one you want. I am sure you know a worthwhile charity that could use $20,000. I know I do. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. |
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing. Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't indoors at the Atlanta boat show. Harry, Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts. Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their boating, and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating trips. I don't. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. Ok, want to make some easy money? I am willing to bet you $10,000 that I do own a boat, and another $10,000 that you don't own a lobster boat. The money can go to you or your favorite charity, which ever one you want. I am sure you know a worthwhile charity that could use $20,000. I know I do. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. well then want to make some easy money? Between me being boatless and you owning a Lobster Boat either you or your charity should be very happy. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing. Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't indoors at the Atlanta boat show. Harry, Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts. Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their boating, and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating trips. I don't. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. Ok, want to make some easy money? I am willing to bet you $10,000 that I do own a boat, and another $10,000 that you don't own a lobster boat. The money can go to you or your favorite charity, which ever one you want. I am sure you know a worthwhile charity that could use $20,000. I know I do. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. well then want to make some easy money? Between me being boatless and you owning a Lobster Boat either you or your charity should be very happy. I only gamble with gentlemen, Reggie, not with a**holes. You have proven over and again that you are an a**hole. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. |
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing. Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't indoors at the Atlanta boat show. Harry, Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts. Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their boating, and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating trips. I don't. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. Ok, want to make some easy money? I am willing to bet you $10,000 that I do own a boat, and another $10,000 that you don't own a lobster boat. The money can go to you or your favorite charity, which ever one you want. I am sure you know a worthwhile charity that could use $20,000. I know I do. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. well then want to make some easy money? Between me being boatless and you owning a Lobster Boat either you or your charity should be very happy. I only gamble with gentlemen, Reggie, not with a**holes. You have proven over and again that you are an a**hole. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. Harry, Since you know I don't own a boat, and you know you own a Lobster Boat, it isn't gambling. It is just taking $20,000 from an Asshole, what could be more fun. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message ... Although I agree with your technique for other reasons, it has nothing to do with the outdrive acting like a rudder. Eisboch Well, since that is the way it feels to me, because I can easily maneuver the boat without the outdrive in gear, why don't you tell me why it is so easy to back the boat up. As I mentioned in another post, it's the application of vectored thrust that is "steering" your boat while backing into the slip. It's not because the outdrive acts like a rudder. Think of it this way.... A typical sailboat has a rudder that probably has 50 times or more the surface area that your outdrive has. Yet, even with that big rudder, it is virtually useless in terms of "steering" the boat in reverse, bumping or not. Your technique is a good one, but not for the reasons you gave. Eisboch Eisboch, I knew you would have an engineer's logical and scientific / physics reason for why it works, and I am sure you explanation is 100% correct. But, since this is Usenet, and no thread can die a natural death, I just want to say, that with my runabouts and express cruisers (all with planing hulls w/low draft in relationship to the depth of the outdrive, I could maneuver the boat in reverse using the outdrive as a rudder. If I was going too slow, or the wind was too fast, it would not work, and I would have to use more power, but with my home dock, where I really want to have the boat stern to, I have always been lucky to get a wind protected slip, and I don't have to contend with current. If the boat is being blown about from a heavy wind, I will have to pick up the speed and use use more of the gear bumping while the outdrive is pointed in the correct direction, but that normally doesn't happen in my home slip. When I am at a courtesy dock, and the wind is blowing, I try to find a slip or finger that will allow me to take advantage of the wind so the wind will blow me into or against the side of the dock and don't worry about backing the boat into the slip. When I had a boat with an inboard engine, it handled differently then the I/O, but I could back the boat in and use the rudder to maneuver, I just had to anticipate the prop walk even more than the outdrive, but I still used the rudder to help maneuver the boat. I really don't know what are you talking about with the sailboat, because I do know many sailboters who do back into the slip, and these are 36' plus sailboats who are backing into the slip, so I think I am not following your logic. It definitely seemed to me that they are using their rudder to maneuver their boat. Hopefully this thread can become another one of those long threads that go on forever. |
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"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. I really don't know what are you talking about with the sailboat, because I do know many sailboters who do back into the slip, and these are 36' plus sailboats who are backing into the slip, so I think I am not following your logic. It definitely seemed to me that they are using their rudder to maneuver their boat. Hopefully this thread can become another one of those long threads that go on forever. Hehehe ... whatever works for you... and however you think it works .... do it. But ... I can guarantee that sailboaters are not steering their boat backwards using the rudder. Google up... "Back and Fill" Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Reginald P. Smithers III" wrote in message . .. I really don't know what are you talking about with the sailboat, because I do know many sailboters who do back into the slip, and these are 36' plus sailboats who are backing into the slip, so I think I am not following your logic. It definitely seemed to me that they are using their rudder to maneuver their boat. Hopefully this thread can become another one of those long threads that go on forever. Hehehe ... whatever works for you... and however you think it works .... do it. But ... I can guarantee that sailboaters are not steering their boat backwards using the rudder. Google up... "Back and Fill" Eisboch I did say, it it seemed to me" I did find a great video showing the back and fill method. http://www.videos.sailingcourse.com/pivot_wmv1.htm |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
I did say, it it seemed to me" I did find a great video showing the back and fill method. http://www.videos.sailingcourse.com/pivot_wmv1.htm Watch it a few times, and then you can present another great "secret" boating tip here, along with all the other info you've gather piloting your imaginary boat on the mighty, receding waters of lake lanier. |
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I did say, it it seemed to me" I did find a great video showing the back and fill method. http://www.videos.sailingcourse.com/pivot_wmv1.htm Watch it a few times, and then you can present another great "secret" boating tip here, along with all the other info you've gather piloting your imaginary boat on the mighty, receding waters of lake lanier. OK, thanks. |
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Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: HK wrote: Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I guess JimH really doesn't want to know, so I will tell you. The problem with most single screw boats is the prop walk. So instead of keeping the boat in gear, you just "bump" the boat in and out of gear (keeping it in gear for less than a second), you want to keep enough movement to offset the wind or current. As long as you have movement the outdrive acts as a rudder, and since you don't have continual prop torque/walk, it is a piece of cake to back a single screw boat. If you have a boat with a lot of surface area, it can be effected by the wind, and you have to compensate for that with your initial approach, but with a tiny runabout it becomes 2nd nature to spin the boat around and back it up. What a secret! Why, it is *amazing* no one ever thought of this before. I mean, this gem of an original idea has never been seen in any boating magazines, books or websites. Wow! Frippin' amazing. Next thing you know, Reggie will climb aboard a boat that isn't indoors at the Atlanta boat show. Harry, Maybe you didn't see my quotes around "secret". As I said, the marina showed it to all new boaters and I see it used by people up and down my dock, so it was a very well known "secret", but there are some (obvioulsly JimH if could not back his boat into the slip) who don't know it. When I see someone having trouble docking their boat, I always suggest they try it, and it always seems to solve the problem for them. I think you might be so upset because you didn't know about it either. That is ok, even a boatless fool like me can teach you some stuff, so just keep reading all of my posts. Harry there are some people who have to pretend about their boating, and they make up imaginary boats and imaginary boating trips. I don't. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. Ok, want to make some easy money? I am willing to bet you $10,000 that I do own a boat, and another $10,000 that you don't own a lobster boat. The money can go to you or your favorite charity, which ever one you want. I am sure you know a worthwhile charity that could use $20,000. I know I do. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. well then want to make some easy money? Between me being boatless and you owning a Lobster Boat either you or your charity should be very happy. I only gamble with gentlemen, Reggie, not with a**holes. You have proven over and again that you are an a**hole. There isn't the slightest reason to believe you've ever been aboard a boat, let alone that you own one. Harry, Since you know I don't own a boat, and you know you own a Lobster Boat, it isn't gambling. It is just taking $20,000 from an Asshole, what could be more fun. I'll double both bets. |
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HK wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III wrote: I did say, it it seemed to me" I did find a great video showing the back and fill method. http://www.videos.sailingcourse.com/pivot_wmv1.htm Watch it a few times, and then you can present another great "secret" boating tip here, along with all the other info you've gather piloting your imaginary boat on the mighty, receding waters of lake lanier. Harry is talking about imaginary boats? What's next? |
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