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HK October 1st 07 02:47 AM

Global Warming 'Foes' for the Money?
 
Skeptic leaves climate office
September 27, 2007

CHARLOTTESVILLE (AP) — Virginia's state climatologist, whose doubts
about global warming and utility-industry funding made him a lightning
rod on climate-change issues, quietly left his position over the summer.

Patrick J. Michaels, who held the position since 1980, remains as a
part-time research professor on leave at the University of Virginia,
reported Joseph C. Zieman, chairman of the school's Department of
Environmental Sciences, to the Daily Progress of Charlottesville.

Mr. Michaels has been a leading skeptic of global-warming theories.
Although he thinks global warming is real and influenced by humans, he
contends it is caused primarily by natural forces.

The administration of Gov. Tim Kaine, a Democrat, asked Mr. Michaels
last year to refrain from using his title when conducting non-state
business because of fears his views would be perceived as an official
state position.

The governor's office said Mr. Michaels, appointed by Gov. John N.
Dalton, a Republican, was not a gubernatorial appointee, contending that
the climatology office became UVa.'s domain in 2000.

Mr. Michaels, 57, called his resignation a sad result of the fact that
his state climatologist funding had become politicized, compromising his
academic freedom.

"It's very simple," he said. "I don't think anybody was able to come to
a satisfactory agreement about academic freedom."

George Allen, a friend of Mr. Michaels, twice intervened on matters
involving funding for Mr. Michaels' office, once as governor and again
as a U.S. senator.

In 1994, Mr. Allen restored a cut of more than $100,000 to Mr. Michaels'
office that was proposed by his predecessor, Gov. L. Douglas Wilder, a
Democrat. As a senator eight years later, Mr. Allen, a Republican,
rescued Mr. Michaels' office from other proposed cuts that Mr. Michaels
said would have wiped out his funding.


**********
Democrats, top scientists and environmental advocates also maintain that
Mr. Michaels' reliance on large utility company contributions for
private research was a conflict of interest.

Last summer, the Associated Press reported that a Colorado utility
raised at least $150,000 in donations and pledges to help Mr. Michaels
analyze global-warming research by other scientists.

In July, Mr. Michaels withdrew as an expert witness for the auto
industry in a high-profile case in federal court in Vermont rather than
disclose his funding sources. He said he was hired by the Automobile
Manufacturers Association and that his donors had information that they
wanted to remain confidential.
*********


"Global warming science is a controversial area, and those who do not
believe that anthropogenic [human-caused] greenhouse gas emissions will
inevitably result in extreme climatologic outcomes are often subject to
public attack," Mr. Michaels stated in an affidavit to the court.
(emphasis added - T.S.)

The state climatologist's office provides information and conducts
research on the effects of weather and climate on economic and
ecological systems.

University spokesman Fariss Samarrai said Jerry Stenger, who has worked
in the climatology office for more than two decades, assumed Mr.
Michaels' duties, but not the title of state climatologist.

Mr. Michaels said he will continue his position at the
libertarian-conservative Cato Institute in the District, where he works
while on leave from UVa.

"I feel I can speak more freely," he said.

William Bruce October 1st 07 03:02 AM

Global Warming 'Foes' for the Money?
 
What does the Yale faculty think about global warming?



Larry October 1st 07 06:10 AM

Global Warming 'Foes' for the Money?
 
HK wrote in news:--
:

Mr. Michaels has been a leading skeptic of global-warming theories.
Although he thinks global warming is real and influenced by humans, he
contends it is caused primarily by natural forces.



Let's look at the FACTS for the last few hundred thousand years.
(Christians who believe the earth is 6000 years old, please close this
message quickly to prevent persecutions.)
http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
This guy compiled some facts and great graphs of reality....

http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFo...s/image159.gif
Now, let's look at this graph of temperature since 1895.....
It ends in 1996 when they told us we'd all choke to death by 1999.

Look at World War II on this graph. How much awful pollution from burning
every ounce of fuel, coal, buildings, most of Europe, half of Asia, half
the ships burning and sinking, every plane we could produce....and not a
single engine, not one, had a "pollution control" gadget on it to make some
fatcat company rich. See WW2 on the graph? What? There's no difference?

HOW CAN THAT BE?!

From 1900 to 1975, NONE OF THE CARS/TRAINS/PLANES/BUSSES/TRUCKS and
anything else that had pistons moving up and down to make it go....and none
of the millions of smoke stacks spewing out great gobs of CO2, CO, NOx,
billions of cans of FREON gas at 68c/16 oz can, were filling the air with
choking fumes, awful smoke, hazy cities, etc., etc., etc., and it got
COLDER....LOTS COLDER! When the engines had NO POLLUTION CRAP ON THEM,
from 1955 to 1975, it was COLD. Then, we all started jacking up the prices
of the cars loaded down with cataclysmic converters, exotic fuel injection,
computer-controlled combustion, fuel mileage stuff and what happened....IT
GOT WARMER BECAUSE THE SUN GOT HOTTER, STUPIDS!

Of course, if it wasn't HUMANS causing all this change (which as been going
on for millions of years before humans evolved whether Christians like it
or not)....if it wasn't HUMANS....IT WOULDN'T GENERATE GOVERNMENT GRANTS!

Follow the MONEY trail....it's making "global warming" into an INDUSTRY!

Larry
--
Make a special not in Causes of Global Climate Change at the geophysical
CYCLES.....
The sun has an 11 year sunspot cycle
The sun has a 206 year solar variability cycle
The earth has a 21,000 year cycle caused by its ELLIPTICAL ORBIT
The earth has a 41,000 year WOBBLE of 1.5 degrees like a top spinning down
There's also a 100,000 year CYCLE to variations in the shape of the Earth's
elliptical orbit, which has NEVER been fixed!


[email protected] October 1st 07 03:52 PM

Global Warming 'Foes' for the Money?
 
On Oct 1, 1:10 am, Larry wrote:
HK wrote in news:--
:

Mr. Michaels has been a leading skeptic of global-warming theories.
Although he thinks global warming is real and influenced by humans, he
contends it is caused primarily by natural forces.


Let's look at the FACTS for the last few hundred thousand years.
(Christians who believe the earth is 6000 years old, please close this
message quickly to prevent persecutions.)http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
This guy compiled some facts and great graphs of reality....

http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFo...s/image159.gif
Now, let's look at this graph of temperature since 1895.....
It ends in 1996 when they told us we'd all choke to death by 1999.

Look at World War II on this graph. How much awful pollution from burning
every ounce of fuel, coal, buildings, most of Europe, half of Asia, half
the ships burning and sinking, every plane we could produce....and not a
single engine, not one, had a "pollution control" gadget on it to make some
fatcat company rich. See WW2 on the graph? What? There's no difference?

HOW CAN THAT BE?!

From 1900 to 1975, NONE OF THE CARS/TRAINS/PLANES/BUSSES/TRUCKS and
anything else that had pistons moving up and down to make it go....and none
of the millions of smoke stacks spewing out great gobs of CO2, CO, NOx,
billions of cans of FREON gas at 68c/16 oz can, were filling the air with
choking fumes, awful smoke, hazy cities, etc., etc., etc., and it got
COLDER....LOTS COLDER! When the engines had NO POLLUTION CRAP ON THEM,
from 1955 to 1975, it was COLD. Then, we all started jacking up the prices
of the cars loaded down with cataclysmic converters, exotic fuel injection,
computer-controlled combustion, fuel mileage stuff and what happened....IT
GOT WARMER BECAUSE THE SUN GOT HOTTER, STUPIDS!

Of course, if it wasn't HUMANS causing all this change (which as been going
on for millions of years before humans evolved whether Christians like it
or not)....if it wasn't HUMANS....IT WOULDN'T GENERATE GOVERNMENT GRANTS!

Follow the MONEY trail....it's making "global warming" into an INDUSTRY!

Larry
--
Make a special not in Causes of Global Climate Change at the geophysical
CYCLES.....
The sun has an 11 year sunspot cycle
The sun has a 206 year solar variability cycle
The earth has a 21,000 year cycle caused by its ELLIPTICAL ORBIT
The earth has a 41,000 year WOBBLE of 1.5 degrees like a top spinning down
There's also a 100,000 year CYCLE to variations in the shape of the Earth's
elliptical orbit, which has NEVER been fixed!


Man you hit it right on the head. GW is about taxes and "leveling the
playing field" between the US/other developed countries so the
unporductive countries and corrupt governments of the world can live
on our sweat...


Larry October 1st 07 05:30 PM

Global Warming 'Foes' for the Money?
 
John H. wrote in
:

Wrong group, but well put.


hee hee.....for years wrecked.boats has been all about everything EXCEPT
boats...

Larry
--
Please - Turn OFF cruise control when
you turn on windshield wipers!

John H. October 1st 07 05:41 PM

Global Warming 'Foes' for the Money?
 
On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 05:10:10 +0000, Larry wrote:

HK wrote in news:--
:

Mr. Michaels has been a leading skeptic of global-warming theories.
Although he thinks global warming is real and influenced by humans, he
contends it is caused primarily by natural forces.



Let's look at the FACTS for the last few hundred thousand years.
(Christians who believe the earth is 6000 years old, please close this
message quickly to prevent persecutions.)
http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
This guy compiled some facts and great graphs of reality....

http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFo...s/image159.gif
Now, let's look at this graph of temperature since 1895.....
It ends in 1996 when they told us we'd all choke to death by 1999.

Look at World War II on this graph. How much awful pollution from burning
every ounce of fuel, coal, buildings, most of Europe, half of Asia, half
the ships burning and sinking, every plane we could produce....and not a
single engine, not one, had a "pollution control" gadget on it to make some
fatcat company rich. See WW2 on the graph? What? There's no difference?

HOW CAN THAT BE?!

From 1900 to 1975, NONE OF THE CARS/TRAINS/PLANES/BUSSES/TRUCKS and
anything else that had pistons moving up and down to make it go....and none
of the millions of smoke stacks spewing out great gobs of CO2, CO, NOx,
billions of cans of FREON gas at 68c/16 oz can, were filling the air with
choking fumes, awful smoke, hazy cities, etc., etc., etc., and it got
COLDER....LOTS COLDER! When the engines had NO POLLUTION CRAP ON THEM,
from 1955 to 1975, it was COLD. Then, we all started jacking up the prices
of the cars loaded down with cataclysmic converters, exotic fuel injection,
computer-controlled combustion, fuel mileage stuff and what happened....IT
GOT WARMER BECAUSE THE SUN GOT HOTTER, STUPIDS!

Of course, if it wasn't HUMANS causing all this change (which as been going
on for millions of years before humans evolved whether Christians like it
or not)....if it wasn't HUMANS....IT WOULDN'T GENERATE GOVERNMENT GRANTS!

Follow the MONEY trail....it's making "global warming" into an INDUSTRY!

Larry


Wrong group, but well put.

Jovie October 1st 07 06:23 PM

Global Warming 'Foes' for the Money?
 
You libs are so adamant about "separation of church and state"
- until it comes to the religion of global warning.




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