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That's the way my engine starts. It almost sounds like a suflated
battery (bad cell or two) but I have tried no less than three known
good batteries. I have cleaned and checked all the connections save
one. Today I will remove the starter completely and make sure there is
a good ground between it and the engine block. Other than that I can't
think of anything else I have missed unless there are bad winds in the
starter itself. It really sounds like some kind of bad connection/wind
as once the heat has built up, the thing spins like it is supposed to,
but only after a second or so delay... Any ideas, suggestions??

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On Sep 26, 6:58 am, wrote:
That's the way my engine starts. It almost sounds like a suflated
battery (bad cell or two) but I have tried no less than three known
good batteries. I have cleaned and checked all the connections save
one. Today I will remove the starter completely and make sure there is
a good ground between it and the engine block. Other than that I can't
think of anything else I have missed unless there are bad winds in the
starter itself. It really sounds like some kind of bad connection/wind
as once the heat has built up, the thing spins like it is supposed to,
but only after a second or so delay... Any ideas, suggestions??

I really don't think you need to go to the extreme to pull the starter
to see if its grounded. The starter motor mount is probably the best
ground on the whole machine!

I take it you're moved the battery? and did it crank slowly AFTER you
moved the battery position?

chances are, the starter motor doesn't ahve bad windings, but the
brush's may be corroded, and/or wore down. If so? it's a fairly easy
fix, and any reputable lawnmower shop should have brushs in stock.
That same "type" pf starter is used on many small engine applications.

if you think the armature is bad, well, an armature costs about as
much as a starter... Let me know, I'll get one sent to you... cheap!

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On Sep 26, 8:11 am, Tim wrote:
On Sep 26, 6:58 am, wrote:

That's the way my engine starts. It almost sounds like a suflated
battery (bad cell or two) but I have tried no less than three known
good batteries. I have cleaned and checked all the connections save
one. Today I will remove the starter completely and make sure there is
a good ground between it and the engine block. Other than that I can't
think of anything else I have missed unless there are bad winds in the
starter itself. It really sounds like some kind of bad connection/wind
as once the heat has built up, the thing spins like it is supposed to,
but only after a second or so delay... Any ideas, suggestions??

I really don't think you need to go to the extreme to pull the starter
to see if its grounded. The starter motor mount is probably the best
ground on the whole machine!

I take it you're moved the battery? and did it crank slowly AFTER you
moved the battery position?

chances are, the starter motor doesn't ahve bad windings, but the
brush's may be corroded, and/or wore down. If so? it's a fairly easy
fix, and any reputable lawnmower shop should have brushs in stock.
That same "type" pf starter is used on many small engine applications.

if you think the armature is bad, well, an armature costs about as
much as a starter... Let me know, I'll get one sent to you... cheap!

Ahhh, brushes, cool, I will check those out. All that's left after
that is to check the leg oil, and put it in the water;) I have not had
a boat that could get me past displacement speed for 20 years and then
it was only a season, I am starting to get pretty excited, gonna' go
chase some birds, no more anchor fishing for this guy;)

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On Sep 26, 10:46 am, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:58:58 -0000,
wrote:

That's the way my engine starts. It almost sounds like a suflated
battery (bad cell or two) but I have tried no less than three known
good batteries. I have cleaned and checked all the connections save
one. Today I will remove the starter completely and make sure there is
a good ground between it and the engine block. Other than that I can't
think of anything else I have missed unless there are bad winds in the
starter itself. It really sounds like some kind of bad connection/wind
as once the heat has built up, the thing spins like it is supposed to,
but only after a second or so delay... Any ideas, suggestions??

You didn't say what kind of engine this is but there is a problem with
GM starters that makes them sluggish. (the ones that bolt up frm the
bottom) If it is not shimmed right it will bind in the flywheel. Hot
engine is worse than cold. If you loosen the bolts, shove in a
business card or 2 and it gets better that is a tip. They usually ship
with shims.

Marine starters typically install through an opening in the bell
housing, so their's normally no need for any shims like you often find
in an automotive application. I would check everything electrical,
from the wires, battary switches, all connections, and the solinoid. I
would also check the engine timing. Too much advance can cause this
kind of condition.

John

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On Sep 26, 10:46 am, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:58:58 -0000,
wrote:

That's the way my engine starts. It almost sounds like a suflated
battery (bad cell or two) but I have tried no less than three known
good batteries. I have cleaned and checked all the connections save
one. Today I will remove the starter completely and make sure there is
a good ground between it and the engine block. Other than that I can't
think of anything else I have missed unless there are bad winds in the
starter itself. It really sounds like some kind of bad connection/wind
as once the heat has built up, the thing spins like it is supposed to,
but only after a second or so delay... Any ideas, suggestions??

You didn't say what kind of engine this is but there is a problem with
GM starters that makes them sluggish. (the ones that bolt up frm the
bottom) If it is not shimmed right it will bind in the flywheel. Hot
engine is worse than cold. If you loosen the bolts, shove in a
business card or 2 and it gets better that is a tip. They usually ship
with shims.

Crap, sorry but I should have noted it being an 84 Evinrude 25 horse
outboard, electric start.

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On Sep 26, 4:17 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Sep 26, 10:46 am, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:58:58 -0000,
wrote:

That's the way my engine starts. It almost sounds like a suflated
battery (bad cell or two) but I have tried no less than three known
good batteries. I have cleaned and checked all the connections save
one. Today I will remove the starter completely and make sure there is
a good ground between it and the engine block. Other than that I can't
think of anything else I have missed unless there are bad winds in the
starter itself. It really sounds like some kind of bad connection/wind
as once the heat has built up, the thing spins like it is supposed to,
but only after a second or so delay... Any ideas, suggestions??
You didn't say what kind of engine this is but there is a problem with
GM starters that makes them sluggish. (the ones that bolt up frm the
bottom) If it is not shimmed right it will bind in the flywheel. Hot
engine is worse than cold. If you loosen the bolts, shove in a
business card or 2 and it gets better that is a tip. They usually ship
with shims.

Crap, sorry but I should have noted it being an 84 Evinrude 25 horse
outboard, electric start.

What a pussy. Real men have a 25 horse BigTwin from the 1950s. Now that
was a motor.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Careful there low transom boy. I ain't skeeret of no 2 footers ya'
know...

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On Sep 26, 5:36 pm, wrote:
On Sep 26, 4:17 pm, HK wrote:





wrote:
On Sep 26, 10:46 am, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:58:58 -0000,
wrote:

That's the way my engine starts. It almost sounds like a suflated
battery (bad cell or two) but I have tried no less than three known
good batteries. I have cleaned and checked all the connections save
one. Today I will remove the starter completely and make sure there is
a good ground between it and the engine block. Other than that I can't
think of anything else I have missed unless there are bad winds in the
starter itself. It really sounds like some kind of bad connection/wind
as once the heat has built up, the thing spins like it is supposed to,
but only after a second or so delay... Any ideas, suggestions??
You didn't say what kind of engine this is but there is a problem with
GM starters that makes them sluggish. (the ones that bolt up frm the
bottom) If it is not shimmed right it will bind in the flywheel. Hot
engine is worse than cold. If you loosen the bolts, shove in a
business card or 2 and it gets better that is a tip. They usually ship
with shims.

Crap, sorry but I should have noted it being an 84 Evinrude 25 horse
outboard, electric start.

What a pussy. Real men have a 25 horse BigTwin from the 1950s. Now that
was a motor.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Careful there low transom boy. I ain't skeeret of no 2 footers ya'
know...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well wish me luck. I am off to the lake for first test. I can start it
just fine with a rope, I just tested, so I gotta see what it is going
to do. Hope I don't flip it;)

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"Tim" wrote in message
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chances are, the starter motor doesn't ahve bad windings, but the
brush's may be corroded, and/or wore down. If so? it's a fairly easy
fix, and any reputable lawnmower shop should have brushs in stock.
That same "type" pf starter is used on many small engine applications.


I was going to suggest the same thing. The little 25 hp Johnson on my old
Whaler exhibits the same symptoms. Most of the time it fires up immediately
when you hit the key, but every once in a while the starter is very
sluggish, with the bendix barely being thrown up to engage the flywheel.
When this happens, I just keep jogging the starter over a few times until
the brushes make a good contact again and it fires right up with authority.

I'll clean the armature and replace the brushes this winter.

Eisboch