"William Bruce" wrote
There are no "sheds" on the shores of any of these lakes.

Which is probably why they don't want floating sheds roaming around in their
back yards. I suspect justafrekin is on the right track, that somebody
wanted to address some specific problems but ended up with this poorly
crafted solution.

On Sep 24, 4:40?am, wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:32 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





"HK" wrote in message

...

Chuck Gould wrote:
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.

*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com

Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor
is banning boats larger houseboats.

Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size? This
question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is
accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have issues
with sanitation, or just houseboats?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Remember, people live in anything down there, I have lived in Bama'
some of the dwellings I saw would not be acceptable as sheds here in
the NE.. This is probably more local than we know. These boats must be
the ones stirring up problems, cigarette boats,the problems are
obvious, with the houseboats, you could be having an influx of
permanant residences being estalished on the lakes, the locals could
be trying to slow this down...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I found this site for one of the lakes.

http://www.lakewedowee.info/Boating.asp


It's a long skinny lake that branches off into what were once a series
of valleys and gullies before they put in the dam. As such, there must
be 100 miles of "shoreline", but according to the map I'd estimate
that it would be possible to run about 20 miles from one end to the
other, assuming it's all navigable. (One portion is supposed to be 780
feet deep).

The shoreline is *not* lined with residences, at least not in the
couple of photos shown on this site. The power company owns a lot of
the real estate, (according to the AP article), and much of the rest
is apparently undeveloped rural land.

There are about 8 boat ramps listed for the lake, but no actual
"marinas".

Those rural homeowners are apparently looking for a big payday from
the company that has expressed an interest in developing land if
boating is "restricted". I guess I can see where the resort company
would be in 7th heaven with 60 virgins if they went so far as to close
the boat ramps as well. If boating gets "restricted" enough and it's
done just right, nobody will be able to boat on the lake without first
renting or chartering a boat from the resort.

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Sep 24, 4:40?am, wrote:
On Sep 24, 7:32 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





"HK" wrote in message

...

Chuck Gould wrote:
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a
lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.

*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake
Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including
houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent
waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The
Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and
several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences
on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside
water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying
it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home -
Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com

Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea,
nor
is banning boats larger houseboats.

Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size?
This
question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is
accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have
issues
with sanitation, or just houseboats?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Remember, people live in anything down there, I have lived in Bama'
some of the dwellings I saw would not be acceptable as sheds here in
the NE.. This is probably more local than we know. These boats must be
the ones stirring up problems, cigarette boats,the problems are
obvious, with the houseboats, you could be having an influx of
permanant residences being estalished on the lakes, the locals could
be trying to slow this down...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I found this site for one of the lakes.

http://www.lakewedowee.info/Boating.asp


It's a long skinny lake that branches off into what were once a series
of valleys and gullies before they put in the dam. As such, there must
be 100 miles of "shoreline", but according to the map I'd estimate
that it would be possible to run about 20 miles from one end to the
other, assuming it's all navigable. (One portion is supposed to be 780
feet deep).

The shoreline is *not* lined with residences, at least not in the
couple of photos shown on this site. The power company owns a lot of
the real estate, (according to the AP article), and much of the rest
is apparently undeveloped rural land.

There are about 8 boat ramps listed for the lake, but no actual
"marinas".

Those rural homeowners are apparently looking for a big payday from
the company that has expressed an interest in developing land if
boating is "restricted". I guess I can see where the resort company
would be in 7th heaven with 60 virgins if they went so far as to close
the boat ramps as well. If boating gets "restricted" enough and it's
done just right, nobody will be able to boat on the lake without first
renting or chartering a boat from the resort.


This is when "other interests" should do whatever it takes, including hiring
a private investigator, to find out which town board members are going to
profit from the proposed changes. There is ALWAYS someone with a funnel in
their pocket on town boards. Always.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Chuck Gould wrote:
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.



*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com


Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor
is banning boats larger houseboats.

Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size? This
question is based on the assumption that the reporter's information is
accurate. He mentions sanitation systems......can't other boats have issues
with sanitation, or just houseboats?




Having never actually been to Alabama, I make my pronouncements on that
state from the same position of knowledge and authority as some of our
posters here who have never owned a boat.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in news:lfNJi.17386
:

Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size?

Somebody with power has a 42' sailboat?

Aren't all laws written with certain powerful interests in mind??

Duhh....(c;

Larry
--
Search youtube for "Depleted Uranium"
The ultimate dirty bomb......

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in news:lfNJi.17386
:

Why larger houseboats? Why not all boats larger than a certain size?

Somebody with power has a 42' sailboat?

Aren't all laws written with certain powerful interests in mind??

Duhh....(c;

Larry


Depends on the goal of the law, I guess. Without reading it, nobody in this
discussion knows the truth.

On Sep 24, 4:24?am, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote:
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.

*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega,http://www.dailyhome.com

Banning superfast boats on small lakes isn't necessarily a bad idea, nor
is banning boats larger houseboats.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's reasonable to ban superfast *operation* on small lakes. It makes
more sense to regulate behavior in the interest of safety or other
legitimate public concerns than to dictate what type of property
somebody can own. Cigarette boats "rated for over 60 mph" are banned,
but if your boat will only do 59 mph you're OK?

If they put a speed limit on the lake, the fastest boats would
relocate.

I think the two clues in the story are;

1. One of the private party plaintiffs for homeowners around the lake
claims "this is what 95% of the property owners want"

and

2. A resort development company has expressed an interest in acquiring
and developing property around the lakes provided that "boating is
restricted."

"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.



*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com

Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from a
disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the
homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in the
70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting case to
follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a certainty.

William Bruce wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.



*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com

Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from a
disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the
homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in the
70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting case to
follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a certainty.




Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his
"disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin color
and background mean he isn't going to be fair?

"HK" wrote in message
. ..
William Bruce wrote:
"Chuck Gould" wrote in message
oups.com...
Interesting situation that could set some dangerous precedents.

A judge in Alabama is deciding whether residents living around a lake
can
decide what sort of watercraft will be allowed to use the lake.



*************

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - A state judge could decide in a little more
than a month whether to uphold an Alabama law banning high-speed
cigarette boats and large house boats from three popular Alabama
lakes.

Montgomery County Circuit Judge Johnny Hardwick heard the final
testimony Monday in a lawsuit challenging the law. He gave attorneys
for both sides 30 days to prepare proposed orders and said he would
rule shortly after receiving them.

In 2006, the Legislature passed - and the governor signed -
legislation that banned some boats from three Alabama Power Co .
lakes: Martin, Weiss and Harris, which is also known as Lake Wedowee.
Banned were cigarette boats longer than 26 feet, 11 inches and rated
for speeds more than 60 mph, and all new boats, including houseboats,
longer than 30 feet, 6 inches. Houseboats already on the lake could
remain, provided they had sanitation systems designed to prevent waste
from getting into the lakes.

Opponents of the law challenged it in court, and state Conservation
Commissioner Barnett Lawley delayed enforcement pending a ruling.

"We still feel that there's no reasonable basis to single out these
law-abiding boaters," Montgomery attorney Frank Wilson told The Daily
Home of Talladega. Wilson represents a Jasper boat dealer and several
boat owners on Lake Martin.

Montgomery attorney Bobby Segall, who represents four Lake Martin
residents, said the law "reflects what 95 percent of the residences on
Lake Martin want." He said the state has the right to set aside water
for specific uses much like it does land.

Alabama Power intervened in the case in support of the law, saying it
has an interest in protecting property values and property uses
because it is a significant landowner at the lakes.

The push for the law began after Georgia developers expressed an
interest in building a resort community on Lake Harris, provided
boating restrictions were enacted.

Information from: The Daily Home - Talladega, http://www.dailyhome.com

Judge Johnny Hardwick is a black man, well respected, but I think from a
disadvantaged background. Attorney Bobby Segall, representing the
homwowners, is president of the state bar association and gradualted in
the 70's at the very top of his law class. It will be an interesting
case to follow. Whatever the ruling of the trial court, an appeal is a
certainty.


Why is Judge Hardwick's skin color worth mentioning? Why is his
"disadvantaged background" worth mentioning? Do you think his skin color
and background mean he isn't going to be fair?

Guess: Considering the location, it may mean there's an attitude toward him
due to his skin color, in addition to whatever legal decisions he makes. Use
your imagination.