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BOWRIDERS- Pro's and cons
Hi guys
I'm thinking of selling my Bayliner 2052 cuddy to buy a bowrider.I've never had or been in one. I was wondering the thoughts of the members here what you guys think of bowriders. In the past,i've had the occasional night on board but now the cuddy seems to be used for storage and a lot of wasted space,although great for the toilet use. I rather like the idea of being able to sit up front with nothing infront to block the view and to achieve a little more floor space for friends rather than all sitting at the back. So, any pro's and cons.I'm talking trailerable 20-22 foot. Does it perhaps get a bit too cold to sit up front as your going along?,too bouncy a ride? too wet from splash? Any thoughts would be greatful Thankyou Simon |
BOWRIDERS- Pro's and cons
gilly wrote: Hi guys I'm thinking of selling my Bayliner 2052 cuddy to buy a bowrider.I've never had or been in one. I was wondering the thoughts of the members here what you guys think of bowriders. In the past,i've had the occasional night on board but now the cuddy seems to be used for storage and a lot of wasted space,although great for the toilet use. I rather like the idea of being able to sit up front with nothing infront to block the view and to achieve a little more floor space for friends rather than all sitting at the back. So, any pro's and cons.I'm talking trailerable 20-22 foot. Does it perhaps get a bit too cold to sit up front as your going along?,too bouncy a ride? too wet from splash? Any thoughts would be greatful Thankyou Simon How do you use your boat inland lake, great lake, or sea ? We live on a small inland lake (although the biggest in 3 surrounding counties) We would not have anything but a bowrider. You can get a little wet when its choppy out but when your out there to tube your going to get wet anyways right? In my opinion its no colder in the bow then it is in the cockpit. All my kids (I have 6) fight to be in the bow when we go out |
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On Sep 20, 5:16 pm, gilly wrote:
Hi guys I'm thinking of selling my Bayliner 2052 cuddy to buy a bowrider.I've never had or been in one. Got "mine" last season. Main benefit ...my wife liked our friends' so much, she chipped in 1/3 the cost towards "ours". Other benefits ... I trailer the boat ... it's real easy to run it up onto the trailer, go forward, climb out, winch. Extra seating. With a passenger up front, the ride is smoother, on plane faster and runs on plane at lower RPMs. Handy for fishing. And the passengers up front get a laugh (read splash) if I hit a wake slow and just right. And there is a cover for early morning, late evening when it cools off. Easy to put down the anchor. I never did like walking out on that bow with anchor in hand, and that space under the deck ended up just storage for "junk" And the size you're looking at, can incorporate a head. |
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gilly wrote:
Hi guys I'm thinking of selling my Bayliner 2052 cuddy to buy a bowrider.I've never had or been in one. I was wondering the thoughts of the members here what you guys think of bowriders. In the past,i've had the occasional night on board but now the cuddy seems to be used for storage and a lot of wasted space,although great for the toilet use. I rather like the idea of being able to sit up front with nothing infront to block the view and to achieve a little more floor space for friends rather than all sitting at the back. So, any pro's and cons.I'm talking trailerable 20-22 foot. Does it perhaps get a bit too cold to sit up front as your going along?,too bouncy a ride? too wet from splash? Any thoughts would be greatful Thankyou Simon I had an 18' bowrider for several years when I lived, and boated, up north on an inland lake. They are great for running around with a group of friends. We rarely got splashed but it will happen in about any trailerable boat in the right conditions. Here's the Cadillac of bowriders. This seems to be their smallest model that offers a head. http://www.crownline.com/models/models.php?model=240_ls Dan |
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Ours is a 24' Bowrider and we tow it 'a fair distance' just about
every summer. We have never had it in any real rough water, but we've been in a bit of a chop and never had a problem with it being too difficult to stay in the bow. And as another person suggested, at this size we still have a hide-away for a porti-potty! Lots of floor space for everyone and a swim pad on the back for sunning when the boat isn't moving. All in all, Bowriders are a great choice. This is our third one, and the next will be a LARGER one. (27-29' range). Glenn S. Harpers Ferry, WV FOR SALE: 2003 Baja 242 Islander (Bowrider) http://ICanHelp56.homestead.com/Baja001.html |
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On Sep 20, 2:16?pm, gilly wrote:
Hi guys I'm thinking of selling my Bayliner 2052 cuddy to buy a bowrider.I've never had or been in one. I was wondering the thoughts of the members here what you guys think of bowriders. In the past,i've had the occasional night on board but now the cuddy seems to be used for storage and a lot of wasted space,although great for the toilet use. I rather like the idea of being able to sit up front with nothing infront to block the view and to achieve a little more floor space for friends rather than all sitting at the back. So, any pro's and cons.I'm talking trailerable 20-22 foot. Does it perhaps get a bit too cold to sit up front as your going along?,too bouncy a ride? too wet from splash? Any thoughts would be greatful Thankyou Simon The lack of a foredeck makes a bowrider less suitable for rough water than a traditional runabout. If you never boat in rough conditions, not as big a deal. Several bowriders are available with a configuration where there are two "consoles:, one to starboard with the helm and one to port that opens up to reveal a marine toilet or porta-potti. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Sep 20, 2:16?pm, gilly wrote: Hi guys I'm thinking of selling my Bayliner 2052 cuddy to buy a bowrider.I've never had or been in one. I was wondering the thoughts of the members here what you guys think of bowriders. In the past,i've had the occasional night on board but now the cuddy seems to be used for storage and a lot of wasted space,although great for the toilet use. I rather like the idea of being able to sit up front with nothing infront to block the view and to achieve a little more floor space for friends rather than all sitting at the back. So, any pro's and cons.I'm talking trailerable 20-22 foot. Does it perhaps get a bit too cold to sit up front as your going along?,too bouncy a ride? too wet from splash? Any thoughts would be greatful Thankyou Simon The lack of a foredeck makes a bowrider less suitable for rough water than a traditional runabout. If you never boat in rough conditions, not as big a deal. Several bowriders are available with a configuration where there are two "consoles:, one to starboard with the helm and one to port that opens up to reveal a marine toilet or porta-potti. No foredeck, therefore not suitable for rough water: http://www.gradywhite.com/336/ And, of course, open stern ocean racing sailboats are not suitable for rough water, either: http://www.open30.org/galleries.htm Now, *some* powerboats with no foredeck are not suitable for rough water, but some are. Grady makes a 27' bowrider that can take on the same sea conditions as its 27' center console. Same hull. |
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BOWRIDERS- Pro's and cons
On 20 Sep, 22:16, gilly wrote:
Hi guys I'm thinking of selling my Bayliner 2052 cuddy to buy a bowrider.I've never had or been in one. I was wondering the thoughts of the members here what you guys think of bowriders. In the past,i've had the occasional night on board but now the cuddy seems to be used for storage and a lot of wasted space,although great for the toilet use. I rather like the idea of being able to sit up front with nothing infront to block the view and to achieve a little more floor space for friends rather than all sitting at the back. So, any pro's and cons.I'm talking trailerable 20-22 foot. Does it perhaps get a bit too cold to sit up front as your going along?,too bouncy a ride? too wet from splash? Any thoughts would be greatful Thankyou Simon Guys, i thank you all for some very interesting input. The boat would be used in coastal waters but i only ever go out if the weather is nice and not too much chop,or if more chop is present then i slow to just a cruise or less. I would have thought also,if towing a toy behind the boat,then having weight up front would be better for getting out of the hole. Once again,thanks ever so much guys. Simon |
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JimH wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 20, 2:16?pm, gilly wrote: Hi guys I'm thinking of selling my Bayliner 2052 cuddy to buy a bowrider.I've never had or been in one. I was wondering the thoughts of the members here what you guys think of bowriders. In the past,i've had the occasional night on board but now the cuddy seems to be used for storage and a lot of wasted space,although great for the toilet use. I rather like the idea of being able to sit up front with nothing infront to block the view and to achieve a little more floor space for friends rather than all sitting at the back. So, any pro's and cons.I'm talking trailerable 20-22 foot. Does it perhaps get a bit too cold to sit up front as your going along?,too bouncy a ride? too wet from splash? Any thoughts would be greatful Thankyou Simon The lack of a foredeck makes a bowrider less suitable for rough water than a traditional runabout. If you never boat in rough conditions, not as big a deal. Several bowriders are available with a configuration where there are two "consoles:, one to starboard with the helm and one to port that opens up to reveal a marine toilet or porta-potti. No foredeck, therefore not suitable for rough water: http://www.gradywhite.com/336/ Actually, in general, what Chuck said is true. Bowriders generally do not have drainage scuppers but drain to the bilge. This includes the bowrider gilly was asking about. Bury the bow in nasty wave and you most likely will sink the boat. It's not the lack of a foredeck that makes a boat "less suitable" for rough water. |
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HK wrote:
/www.gradywhite.com/336/ Actually, in general, what Chuck said is true. Bowriders generally do not have drainage scuppers but drain to the bilge. This includes the bowrider gilly was asking about. Bury the bow in nasty wave and you most likely will sink the boat. It's not the lack of a foredeck that makes a boat "less suitable" for rough water. I could not agree more, it is the lack of a low transom that makes the boat "less suitable" for rough water. |
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:49:00 -0700, gilly
wrote: I would have thought also,if towing a toy behind the boat,then having weight up front would be better for getting out of the hole. Trim tabs are even more effective. |
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:28:59 -0400, HK wrote:
It's not the lack of a foredeck that makes a boat "less suitable" for rough water. Lack of a foredeck combined with low freeboard at the bow makes it very easy to scoop up a wave and bring it onboard. Low freeboard forward is the big difference between a typical bowrider and a center console. To me, that makes a boat less suitable for rough water. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:28:59 -0400, HK wrote: It's not the lack of a foredeck that makes a boat "less suitable" for rough water. Lack of a foredeck combined with low freeboard at the bow makes it very easy to scoop up a wave and bring it onboard. Low freeboard forward is the big difference between a typical bowrider and a center console. To me, that makes a boat less suitable for rough water. A good number of manufacturers of center console boats use the same hulls to turn out bow riders. |
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I think pretty much any serious open water center console has a larger
freeboard in the front as compared to a traditional bowrider. But then you know that, you're just looking to start an argument. "HK" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:28:59 -0400, HK wrote: It's not the lack of a foredeck that makes a boat "less suitable" for rough water. Lack of a foredeck combined with low freeboard at the bow makes it very easy to scoop up a wave and bring it onboard. Low freeboard forward is the big difference between a typical bowrider and a center console. To me, that makes a boat less suitable for rough water. A good number of manufacturers of center console boats use the same hulls to turn out bow riders. |
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jamesgangnc wrote:
I think pretty much any serious open water center console has a larger freeboard in the front as compared to a traditional bowrider. But then you know that, you're just looking to start an argument. "HK" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:28:59 -0400, HK wrote: It's not the lack of a foredeck that makes a boat "less suitable" for rough water. Lack of a foredeck combined with low freeboard at the bow makes it very easy to scoop up a wave and bring it onboard. Low freeboard forward is the big difference between a typical bowrider and a center console. To me, that makes a boat less suitable for rough water. A good number of manufacturers of center console boats use the same hulls to turn out bow riders. Sorry, bub, but I don't do much boating on inland lakes. The bowriders I see for the most part are the ones based upon center console hulls, as are the "dual console" boats that offer the forward "amenities" of bowriders. My favorite bowrider is the Grady-White 27-footer. Same hull as the center console and cabin models. Great-looking boat. The problem with most bowriders is the ride...if you are in any sort of choppy water, the bow is the worst place to be. For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow: http://tinyurl.com/355t8c |
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"HK" wrote in message . .. For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow: http://tinyurl.com/355t8c Tsk, tsk. Dirty boat. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow: http://tinyurl.com/355t8c Tsk, tsk. Dirty boat. Eisboch Yeah, the leaves are beginning to fall and I didn't put the cover on. But I'm hoping to get out Sunday and will hose it out before heading for the water. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message . .. For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow: http://tinyurl.com/355t8c Tsk, tsk. Dirty boat. Eisboch They must have a ban on washing boats. ;) I am wondering what is that pole in the middle of all of that open space? It looks like something that would trip someone as they were reeling in the fish and send them over the low gunwale. At least it isn't it the stern or you would be sent over the LT into the prop. |
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On Sep 20, 6:07?pm, HK wrote:
Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 20, 2:16?pm, gilly wrote: Hi guys I'm thinking of selling my Bayliner 2052 cuddy to buy a bowrider.I've never had or been in one. I was wondering the thoughts of the members here what you guys think of bowriders. In the past,i've had the occasional night on board but now the cuddy seems to be used for storage and a lot of wasted space,although great for the toilet use. I rather like the idea of being able to sit up front with nothing infront to block the view and to achieve a little more floor space for friends rather than all sitting at the back. So, any pro's and cons.I'm talking trailerable 20-22 foot. Does it perhaps get a bit too cold to sit up front as your going along?,too bouncy a ride? too wet from splash? Any thoughts would be greatful Thankyou Simon The lack of a foredeck makes a bowrider less suitable for rough water than a traditional runabout. If you never boat in rough conditions, not as big a deal. Several bowriders are available with a configuration where there are two "consoles:, one to starboard with the helm and one to port that opens up to reveal a marine toilet or porta-potti. No foredeck, therefore not suitable for rough water: http://www.gradywhite.com/336/ And, of course, open stern ocean racing sailboats are not suitable for rough water, either: http://www.open30.org/galleries.htm Now, *some* powerboats with no foredeck are not suitable for rough water, but some are. Grady makes a 27' bowrider that can take on the same sea conditions as its 27' center console. Same hull.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you read s-l-o-w-l-y and carefully you will note that I compared the bow rider to a "traditional runabout" and gave the nod for rough water suitability to the latter. No attempt was made to state that any boat without a foredeck is less suitable for rough water use than any boat with. |
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Chuck Gould wrote:
On Sep 20, 6:07?pm, HK wrote: Chuck Gould wrote: On Sep 20, 2:16?pm, gilly wrote: Hi guys I'm thinking of selling my Bayliner 2052 cuddy to buy a bowrider.I've never had or been in one. I was wondering the thoughts of the members here what you guys think of bowriders. In the past,i've had the occasional night on board but now the cuddy seems to be used for storage and a lot of wasted space,although great for the toilet use. I rather like the idea of being able to sit up front with nothing infront to block the view and to achieve a little more floor space for friends rather than all sitting at the back. So, any pro's and cons.I'm talking trailerable 20-22 foot. Does it perhaps get a bit too cold to sit up front as your going along?,too bouncy a ride? too wet from splash? Any thoughts would be greatful Thankyou Simon The lack of a foredeck makes a bowrider less suitable for rough water than a traditional runabout. If you never boat in rough conditions, not as big a deal. Several bowriders are available with a configuration where there are two "consoles:, one to starboard with the helm and one to port that opens up to reveal a marine toilet or porta-potti. No foredeck, therefore not suitable for rough water: http://www.gradywhite.com/336/ And, of course, open stern ocean racing sailboats are not suitable for rough water, either: http://www.open30.org/galleries.htm Now, *some* powerboats with no foredeck are not suitable for rough water, but some are. Grady makes a 27' bowrider that can take on the same sea conditions as its 27' center console. Same hull.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you read s-l-o-w-l-y and carefully you will note that I compared the bow rider to a "traditional runabout" and gave the nod for rough water suitability to the latter. No attempt was made to state that any boat without a foredeck is less suitable for rough water use than any boat with. What's a "traditional runabout"? |
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:20:59 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message . .. For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow: http://tinyurl.com/355t8c Tsk, tsk. Dirty boat. Eisboch They must have a ban on washing boats. ;) I am wondering what is that pole in the middle of all of that open space? It looks like something that would trip someone as they were reeling in the fish and send them over the low gunwale. At least it isn't it the stern or you would be sent over the LT into the prop. I think it's an antenna. Hopefully, it gets deployed in an upright position, but one never knows with this boat. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote in message . .. For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow: http://tinyurl.com/355t8c Tsk, tsk. Dirty boat. Eisboch I think that support rod to keep the weak front from bending would be a problem when a hot bite is on. |
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:48:01 -0400, HK wrote:
What's a "traditional runabout"? As usual, Google is your friend: http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...Im ages&gbv=2 |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:48:01 -0400, HK wrote: What's a "traditional runabout"? As usual, Google is your friend: http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...Im ages&gbv=2 When I think traditional runabout, this comes to mind: http://www.lymanboat.com/freeman2.jpg |
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HK wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:48:01 -0400, HK wrote: What's a "traditional runabout"? As usual, Google is your friend: http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...Im ages&gbv=2 When I think traditional runabout, this comes to mind: http://www.lymanboat.com/freeman2.jpg Ah so you realized that you really do know what a traditional runabout is. Very good. |
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HK wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote: I think pretty much any serious open water center console has a larger freeboard in the front as compared to a traditional bowrider. But then you know that, you're just looking to start an argument. "HK" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:28:59 -0400, HK wrote: It's not the lack of a foredeck that makes a boat "less suitable" for rough water. Lack of a foredeck combined with low freeboard at the bow makes it very easy to scoop up a wave and bring it onboard. Low freeboard forward is the big difference between a typical bowrider and a center console. To me, that makes a boat less suitable for rough water. A good number of manufacturers of center console boats use the same hulls to turn out bow riders. Sorry, bub, but I don't do much boating on inland lakes. The bowriders I see for the most part are the ones based upon center console hulls, as are the "dual console" boats that offer the forward "amenities" of bowriders. My favorite bowrider is the Grady-White 27-footer. Same hull as the center console and cabin models. Great-looking boat. The problem with most bowriders is the ride...if you are in any sort of choppy water, the bow is the worst place to be. For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow: http://tinyurl.com/355t8c Sorry, bub, but the OP had no requirement for fishing. |
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:41:26 -0400, HK wrote:
What's a "traditional runabout"? As usual, Google is your friend: http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...Im ages&gbv=2 When I think traditional runabout, this comes to mind: http://www.lymanboat.com/freeman2.jpg Yes, they were pretty nice, along with the Thompsons and Penn Yanns. http://www.ablboats.com/details.asp?ListingID=73664 http://www.antiqueboatamerica.com/uploads/39981jpg2.jpg Several of my friends had them as kids on Lake Ontario. |
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I thought you were the Harry that spent his entire life in and around boats.
"HK" wrote in message . .. jamesgangnc wrote: I think pretty much any serious open water center console has a larger freeboard in the front as compared to a traditional bowrider. But then you know that, you're just looking to start an argument. "HK" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:28:59 -0400, HK wrote: It's not the lack of a foredeck that makes a boat "less suitable" for rough water. Lack of a foredeck combined with low freeboard at the bow makes it very easy to scoop up a wave and bring it onboard. Low freeboard forward is the big difference between a typical bowrider and a center console. To me, that makes a boat less suitable for rough water. A good number of manufacturers of center console boats use the same hulls to turn out bow riders. Sorry, bub, but I don't do much boating on inland lakes. The bowriders I see for the most part are the ones based upon center console hulls, as are the "dual console" boats that offer the forward "amenities" of bowriders. My favorite bowrider is the Grady-White 27-footer. Same hull as the center console and cabin models. Great-looking boat. The problem with most bowriders is the ride...if you are in any sort of choppy water, the bow is the worst place to be. For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow: http://tinyurl.com/355t8c |
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jamesgangnc wrote:
I thought you were the Harry that spent his entire life in and around boats. "HK" wrote in message . .. jamesgangnc wrote: I think pretty much any serious open water center console has a larger freeboard in the front as compared to a traditional bowrider. But then you know that, you're just looking to start an argument. "HK" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:28:59 -0400, HK wrote: It's not the lack of a foredeck that makes a boat "less suitable" for rough water. Lack of a foredeck combined with low freeboard at the bow makes it very easy to scoop up a wave and bring it onboard. Low freeboard forward is the big difference between a typical bowrider and a center console. To me, that makes a boat less suitable for rough water. A good number of manufacturers of center console boats use the same hulls to turn out bow riders. Sorry, bub, but I don't do much boating on inland lakes. The bowriders I see for the most part are the ones based upon center console hulls, as are the "dual console" boats that offer the forward "amenities" of bowriders. My favorite bowrider is the Grady-White 27-footer. Same hull as the center console and cabin models. Great-looking boat. The problem with most bowriders is the ride...if you are in any sort of choppy water, the bow is the worst place to be. For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow: http://tinyurl.com/355t8c Very little lake boating. LI Sound, ICW and Ocean in Florida, various other oceans, Chesapeake Bay. I frequented Lake Zoar when I was a kid, though. Put in the boat right near the dam. |
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HK wrote:
jamesgangnc wrote: I thought you were the Harry that spent his entire life in and around boats. "HK" wrote in message . .. jamesgangnc wrote: I think pretty much any serious open water center console has a larger freeboard in the front as compared to a traditional bowrider. But then you know that, you're just looking to start an argument. "HK" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:28:59 -0400, HK wrote: It's not the lack of a foredeck that makes a boat "less suitable" for rough water. Lack of a foredeck combined with low freeboard at the bow makes it very easy to scoop up a wave and bring it onboard. Low freeboard forward is the big difference between a typical bowrider and a center console. To me, that makes a boat less suitable for rough water. A good number of manufacturers of center console boats use the same hulls to turn out bow riders. Sorry, bub, but I don't do much boating on inland lakes. The bowriders I see for the most part are the ones based upon center console hulls, as are the "dual console" boats that offer the forward "amenities" of bowriders. My favorite bowrider is the Grady-White 27-footer. Same hull as the center console and cabin models. Great-looking boat. The problem with most bowriders is the ride...if you are in any sort of choppy water, the bow is the worst place to be. For for fishing, I prefer flat, open space in the bow: http://tinyurl.com/355t8c Very little lake boating. LI Sound, ICW and Ocean in Florida, various other oceans, Chesapeake Bay. I frequented Lake Zoar when I was a kid, though. Put in the boat right near the dam. I'd love to hear about those "various other oceans". This guy is amazing! |
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