On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:10:51 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:24:49 -0500, John H.
wrote:

JimH was talking about all the sand he had to go through. I just don't do
it. If I'm in two feet of water at my beach, I get out, grab a rope and
pull the boat in. Why take the chance of hitting something that doesn't
show up on the depth/fish finder?

I could be wrong on this but I understood his situation to be more
complicated, something like a 2 ft sand bar followed by 6 ft of deep
water before he got to the beach. If he's in SWFL there's a lot of
skinny water to be negotiated at times.

Sounds like a good place for some 'poling'!

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:39:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:22:14 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

The only impeller I have ever had fail in any way was brand new, about
an hour into service. That was on my Mariner 75 2 stroke. I put the
old one back in.
So you replaced the impeller because you thought it was bad.......the new
one failed so...........you put the old one back in??

To bring this back on topic, I always pull the impeller in the fall, but
don't replace it until spring. I put the impeller in a zip lock bag
with all of the drain plugs. The impellers I am replacing have ALWAYS
looked perfect, but I was told that an impeller can look great, but
sitting dry for the 3/4 months I don't use the boat in the winter can be
tough on the impeller and when they go, they go fast. I think $25 every
other year is a tiny expenses compared to filling my tank up one time.

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:39:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:22:14 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

The only impeller I have ever had fail in any way was brand new, about
an hour into service. That was on my Mariner 75 2 stroke. I put the
old one back in.

So you replaced the impeller because you thought it was bad.......the new
one failed so...........you put the old one back in??

Hmmm.

No, I replaced the impeller because everyone told me I should. It
looked OK to me but I put the new one in.
That one "spun" within an hour and I limped home.
I put the old one back until I could get a replacement for the new
defective. I ended up using it until I bought my 60.

JimH is just being Hertvick!

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:05:23 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:37:24 -0500, John H.
wrote:

I could be wrong on this but I understood his situation to be more
complicated, something like a 2 ft sand bar followed by 6 ft of deep
water before he got to the beach. If he's in SWFL there's a lot of
skinny water to be negotiated at times.

Sounds like a good place for some 'poling'!


If you really want to run the back bays here you need a skinny water
boat.
If you are waiting for 3 feet of water you might be poling for a
couple miles. The channel may not be 2 feet between #28 and #30 going
into the Estero River. It wasn't when I took the pictures above. That
is a typical low tide, It gets lower.

Naw, it's just a small sand bar. Full bore through it. Sand be damned,
that's what I say. Shiver me timbers.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:32:23 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:09:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H.
wrote:

The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina
owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he
preferred. So,
the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way.
And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that
way.

You would have been better off with the ETEC.
While I would have asked the salesman the same question, I would assume
he was recommending the engine with the highest profit margin, and
commission.

I have no idea if there is a difference in profit margin between Etec
and Yamaha, but higher commission, perks and spiffs from a mfg'er can
make a salesman change his preferences in a heart beat.
JohnH,
By the way, that is a really nice looking boat, the only problem I can
see is the transom. It is a full 25" across the entire length of the
transom. What will happen if you take a big wave over the bow, how will
the water get out if you don't have a large hole in the back?

If you'll look closely, there are two coolers in the boat, a 94qt and a
72qt. With the wife on the small one and me on the big one, I figure we can
bail most any amount of water.

Yes, but do you have room for a folding lounge chair?

Reggie--I have a *big* friggin' transom on which to hang my folding lawn
chair!

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:35:01 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:15:33 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:


The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina
owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he preferred.
So,
the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way.
Never take the word of a salesman, even if he/she owns the place. Do your
own homework.

BTW....."puchased".......not "bought".



You 'purchase', I buy.

If you bought something last week, then you 'purchased' it.

If I bought something last week, then I 'bought' it.

Besides, you've got me 'filtered', like Harry. So butt out.

I thought it was funny that he was correcting your use of the past tense
of "purchase or buy" and he misspelled the word he was recommending you
use. "puchase".

I was laughing so hard, I missed that!

Maybe he meant 'pochards' or perhaps 'poussetted', in which case, I stand
humbly, as usual, corrected.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:39:37 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:39:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:22:14 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

The only impeller I have ever had fail in any way was brand new, about
an hour into service. That was on my Mariner 75 2 stroke. I put the
old one back in.
So you replaced the impeller because you thought it was bad.......the new
one failed so...........you put the old one back in??

To bring this back on topic, I always pull the impeller in the fall, but
don't replace it until spring. I put the impeller in a zip lock bag
with all of the drain plugs. The impellers I am replacing have ALWAYS
looked perfect, but I was told that an impeller can look great, but
sitting dry for the 3/4 months I don't use the boat in the winter can be
tough on the impeller and when they go, they go fast. I think $25 every
other year is a tiny expenses compared to filling my tank up one time.

Do you put anything in the baggie to keep the impeller moist?

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:32:23 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:09:26 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:59:34 -0500, John H.
wrote:

The Key West can be bought with an Etec or a Yamaha. The salesman/marina
owner talked me into going Yamaha. He left no doubt which he
preferred. So,
the Key West 186 CC with the 4 stroke, Yamaha 150 is on the way.
And the reason he preferred Yamaha was that he made more money that
way.

You would have been better off with the ETEC.
While I would have asked the salesman the same question, I would assume
he was recommending the engine with the highest profit margin, and
commission.

I have no idea if there is a difference in profit margin between Etec
and Yamaha, but higher commission, perks and spiffs from a mfg'er can
make a salesman change his preferences in a heart beat.
JohnH,
By the way, that is a really nice looking boat, the only problem I can
see is the transom. It is a full 25" across the entire length of the
transom. What will happen if you take a big wave over the bow, how will
the water get out if you don't have a large hole in the back?
If you'll look closely, there are two coolers in the boat, a 94qt and a
72qt. With the wife on the small one and me on the big one, I figure we can
bail most any amount of water.
Yes, but do you have room for a folding lounge chair?

Reggie--I have a *big* friggin' transom on which to hang my folding lawn
chair!

OK, just checking.

John H. wrote:
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:39:37 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III"
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:39:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:22:14 -0400, "JimH" ask wrote:

The only impeller I have ever had fail in any way was brand new, about
an hour into service. That was on my Mariner 75 2 stroke. I put the
old one back in.
So you replaced the impeller because you thought it was bad.......the new
one failed so...........you put the old one back in??
To bring this back on topic, I always pull the impeller in the fall, but
don't replace it until spring. I put the impeller in a zip lock bag
with all of the drain plugs. The impellers I am replacing have ALWAYS
looked perfect, but I was told that an impeller can look great, but
sitting dry for the 3/4 months I don't use the boat in the winter can be
tough on the impeller and when they go, they go fast. I think $25 every
other year is a tiny expenses compared to filling my tank up one time.

Do you put anything in the baggie to keep the impeller moist?

No, I actually leave it in the package it came in. It really is a hard
rubber, so it doesn't need to stay moist in the package.

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:11:12 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:06:45 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

You can still change impellers on your preferred schedule.
But even a new impeller can break a vane, and the gauge
will indicate a problem.


The only impeller I have ever had fail in any way was brand new, about
an hour into service. That was on my Mariner 75 2 stroke. I put the
old one back in.

This is interesting. Other opinions/experience.
http://www.cafelocale.com/discus/mes...tml?1049260881

Hadn't thought about the thermostat and salt water. I change them on
my cars when I do hoses/antifreeze, but sometimes years go by first.
With a common 150hp OB costing 4 times what I pay for a car, I expect
preventative maintenance is going to be a major target when I get my
boat. I don't like rolling the dice

--Vic